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+<PRE>Hi Gamaliel,
+
+2010/9/22 Gamaliel Lamboy Rodr&#237;guez &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gamalamboy at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> I was truly impressed by your efforts to fork Mandriva Linux into a full
+</I>&gt;<i> community-based operating system, and I fully advocate it.
+</I>
+Thanks! :-)
+
+(hum, and yes, this is a late answer to your mail, nonetheless it's an
+important topic to raise for the project)
+
+&gt;<i> Regarding the future plans, I was thinking that you could consider becoming
+</I>&gt;<i> a cooperative, since it upholds most of the values behind free software by
+</I>&gt;<i> itself, is a community enterprise, and -being an established movement- has
+</I>&gt;<i> an enormous amount of financial resources available to its development. It
+</I>&gt;<i> is offered simply a means to fund the community, not a community in itself.
+</I>
+Well, its resources for its development depends on its revenue; so it
+makes sense to fund the project's community if it gets something from
+the project that it can value and sell in some way and make a profit
+from it.
+
+&gt;<i> 4 - it is a nonprofit organization by its own structure.
+</I>
+Well, it can be a for-profit too (profit redistribution following
+specific rules).
+
+&gt;<i> My idea is that we create a software cooperative that is dedicated to
+</I>&gt;<i> funding Mageia Linux through various digital and cooperative means. The
+</I>&gt;<i> cooperative would contribute to Mageia, and Mageia would contribute back to
+</I>&gt;<i> the community. That's the general plan, but I can make more specific
+</I>&gt;<i> statements and answers to queries if needed/wanted.
+</I>
+If you have plans locally that make (business &amp; technology) sense to
+start such a structure, and you want to do it, do it. :)
+
+We might consider to build something to help in this regard from
+Mageia point of view (doc, howto, contacts at least) if it makes
+sense, but I guess this is rather too new/young for now.
+
+&gt;<i> Anyway, the most important thing is, it's a means to help the entire Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> community grow. The definition of cooperative says much more than my
+</I>&gt;<i> blabbering: &quot;A co-operative is an autonomous association of persons united
+</I>&gt;<i> voluntarily to meet their common economic, social, and cultural needs and
+</I>&gt;<i> aspirations through a jointly-owned and democratically-controlled
+</I>&gt;<i> enterprise.&quot; It's close enough to what you guys are doing.
+</I>
+It's close to that, yes. Actually, some discussed the option to have
+such a structure first (before the announcement), but it was preferred
+to keep it small, flexible and simple for a start (project
+coordinated/backed by an association with no employee) and to
+encourage for-profits (among others) to participate into the project.
+
+We have no specific plan about this yet (first major goal is to have
+our release process up and done). Who knows, maybe the association
+will have the means or the strategy to grow and employ people or to
+fund a separate for-profit entity - that's fun &amp; tricky but that's not
+the focus for now anyway.
+
+Cheers!
+
+Romain
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have no specific plan about this yet (first major goal is to have
+</I>&gt;<i> our release process up and done). Who knows, maybe the association
+</I>&gt;<i> will have the means or the strategy to grow and employ people or to
+</I>&gt;<i> fund a separate for-profit entity - that's fun &amp; tricky but that's not
+</I>&gt;<i> the focus for now anyway.
+</I>
+Being a part of a cooperative means not only to benefit from this
+cooperative, in the first place it means delivering something the
+cooperative can use/need, otherwise such a relation would be
+meaningless. But this could/would influence the development of the
+distribution, something which can steer the whole project into a
+conflict which nobody needs.
+
+IMHO one of the major points in this issue is to keep the association
+and any commercial activities apart.
+
+Future options I see in individual activities. Every contributor or
+groups of contributors can open a business of his/their own based on
+the Mageia distribution (additional software solutions, consulting,
+etc.) and then &quot;give back&quot; to the Association in general or even
+employ one or more of the contributors of Mageia. But the Association
+itself has to keep clear of any commercial activities. Otherwise we
+could soon be back at that point we all left behind: making decisions
+about the distribution forced by business.
+
+You may call me paranoid, no problem.
+
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 18:13, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> IMHO one of the major points in this issue is to keep the association
+</I>&gt;<i> and any commercial activities apart.
+</I>
+Yes.
+
+&gt;<i> Future options I see in individual activities. Every contributor or
+</I>&gt;<i> groups of contributors can open a business of his/their own based on
+</I>&gt;<i> the Mageia distribution (additional software solutions, consulting,
+</I>&gt;<i> etc.) and then &quot;give back&quot; to the Association in general or even
+</I>&gt;<i> employ one or more of the contributors of Mageia. But the Association
+</I>&gt;<i> itself has to keep clear of any commercial activities. Otherwise we
+</I>&gt;<i> could soon be back at that point we all left behind: making decisions
+</I>&gt;<i> about the distribution forced by business.
+</I>
+Well, because it's business does not imply it is going to be wrong but
+I share the point here in that it looks much more a sound plan to keep
+potentially drifting forces separate.
+
+&gt;<i> You may call me paranoid, no problem.
+</I>
+No paranoia here. It makes sense and matches a certain set of
+concepts: keep it small, simple, have distinct components per role and
+loosely couple them.
+
+
+Romain
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+ <B>Catalin Florin RUSSEN</B>
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+
+I'm getting often invitations from friends and relatives to participate on
+different causes on facebook (I must admit that some are really... surrealistic
+to avoid saying stupid).
+
+But, seeing that some of them consist in raising money to fund different
+auctions, why not raise a cause on facebook to raise funds for Mageia?
+
+What do you think?
+
+ Best regards,
+Florin Catalin RUSSEN
+Romanian Translation Team
+
+
+
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+<LI><A HREF="003410.html">[Mageia-discuss] A suggestion regarding community organization.
+</A><A NAME="3410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003411.html">[Mageia-discuss] A suggestion regarding community organization.
+</A><A NAME="3411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003412.html">[Mageia-discuss] A suggestion regarding community organization.
+</A><A NAME="3412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003413.html">[Mageia-discuss] Create a cause on facebook for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="3413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue Jan 18 17:07:47 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue Jan 18 21:07:09 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 4<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003410.html">[Mageia-discuss] A suggestion regarding community organization.
+</A><A NAME="3410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003411.html">[Mageia-discuss] A suggestion regarding community organization.
+</A><A NAME="3411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003412.html">[Mageia-discuss] A suggestion regarding community organization.
+</A><A NAME="3412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003413.html">[Mageia-discuss] Create a cause on facebook for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="3413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Tue Jan 18 21:07:09 CET 2011</i><br>
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+<LI><A HREF="003410.html">[Mageia-discuss] A suggestion regarding community organization.
+</A><A NAME="3410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
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+<!--1 01295366867-01295370794- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003411.html">[Mageia-discuss] A suggestion regarding community organization.
+</A><A NAME="3411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
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+<!--2 01295366867-01295370794-01295372844- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003412.html">[Mageia-discuss] A suggestion regarding community organization.
+</A><A NAME="3412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01295381229- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003413.html">[Mageia-discuss] Create a cause on facebook for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="3413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
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