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+ <B>andre999</B>
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+ <I>Sun Jan 9 09:23:13 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>Remy CLOUARD a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Sat, Jan 08, 2011 at 11:16:00PM +0100, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Vincent Untz from Novell, who works on openSuse, invited us (and contributers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from other distributions, including Fedora, Debian and Ubuntu) to participate
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in a meeting about software installers and the end-user experience.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here is how Vincent presents the project :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ----- Quote -----
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> *** Goals ***
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Blue-sky goals:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * agree on a common UI to install applications
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * agree on what metadata to use, how to generate it, where to host it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * agree on a protocol to use to provide non-static metadata (featured
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> apps, ratings, comments, etc.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * decide what metadata can be shared between distros, and what should stay
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distro-specific (eg: do we want user comments to be shared?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In reality, if it turns out we can't all agree on one item, it's still fine: it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> doesn't mean we can't collaborate on the other items. And some distros might
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> still work together.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's worth mentioning here that what matters to us is the end-user experience.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It matters more than the technical implementation.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> *** Background ***
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Nearly all distributions are slowly moving towards making it easier to deal
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with applications, and get information about those. The Ubuntu Software Center
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is a good example of work being done here.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> At the moment, many of us are working in our own corners, while we could
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> certainly all move much faster if we worked together, especially since we're
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> all targetting mostly the same result.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We do want content to be provided not just by us, distributors, but also by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the users: their experience with an application can inspire other users to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> install it too.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The goals of this meeting is to see what can be put in common and harmonized
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> between various distributions, from the end-user point of view.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ----- End of quote -----
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The meeting will occur in N&#252;rnberg, Germany from January 19th to 21st
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We don't know yet what the outcome of this 3-days meeting will be, but it may
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be a great opportunity.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For the mageia side, the participants will be :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Michael Scherer (misc)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Olivier Thauvin (Nanar), author of Sophie, the cross-distribution RPM
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> database,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Samuel Verschelde (Stormi), for the mageia-app-db project.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;<i> Great !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This sounds like a very good idea, such a move would be great to improve
+</I>&gt;<i> interaction between distributions and divide the needed effort to
+</I>&gt;<i> produce for each distribution.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As far as I&#8217;m concerned, I&#8217;m sorry the schedule is a bit too tight for
+</I>&gt;<i> me, I won&#8217;t be able to attend this meeting. Besides, the cost of the
+</I>&gt;<i> ticket won&#8217;t make it possible either.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I&#8217;m eager to know what will come out of this meeting, have a good trip !
+</I>&gt;<i> :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>
+I really interested in that too. (But likewise can't attend.)
+
+Have you noticed the Mancoosi project ?
+It's an experimental international project to develop means of making
+software installation, and rolling back to the previous state in case of
+problems, fail-proof.
+They're even exploring allowing installation with ordinary user
+privileges. (By considerable redundancy.)
+(The downside seems that it would use a lot more disk space.)
+
+see www.mancoosi.org + blog.mancoosi.org
+It might be useful to review before your meeting.
+
+And be sure to take notes, to let us in on the discussions :)
+
+Regards
+</PRE>
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