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+ <B>Enrico Gsell</B>
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+Luckily the same goes for me, all my favorites are still in :)
+Tough they are nearly all different ones:
+
+My choices and what comes to my mind when looking at them (in order of preferation):
+
+1. <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5141934927/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5141934927/</A>
+All
+ the smalls things are needed to put together to create something good.
+This logo expresses it perfectly for me. Also I like how it looks with
+text, as logo only, as icon and so on. Also looks like an instant
+classic and timeless.
+
+2. <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ofaurax/5127775007/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/ofaurax/5127775007/</A>
+Timeless, modern, simple.
+
+3. <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5063070488/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5063070488/</A>
+Heading in the right direction, we know where to go and what our goals are.
+
+4. <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/</A>
+Flames
+ are dynamic, always changing. In connection with linux it lets me think
+ of a bleeding edge distro. Nice colors, but don't like the font.
+
+Kind regards,
+Enrico
+
+&gt;<i> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 22:01:14 -0500
+</I>&gt;<i> From: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain d'Alverny a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Step 1. already occurred:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ... first short list of 77 files:<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/mgared/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/mgared/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Step 2. is the reason of this mail. 77 is still a lot,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ... we prefer to start the discussion now.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We are Thursday Nov. 18th. That makes the public discussion open until
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Wednesday Nov. 24th.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> (I got a second identical message - this time it must be for mgaorange)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Luckily, my red list choices are still in the orange list :)
+</I>&gt;<i> So I mostly restate what I said then :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First of all, I think that despite the guidelines, &quot;Linux&quot; should
+</I>&gt;<i> usually be included with the logo and &quot;Mageia&quot;, if not an integral part
+</I>&gt;<i> of the logo.
+</I>&gt;<i> After all, we are promoting/presenting the Mageia variety of Linux.
+</I>&gt;<i> I like putting &quot;mageia&quot; in lower case - except maybe the &quot;m&quot; - and
+</I>&gt;<i> putting &quot;LINUX&quot; in small caps below, to the right of the &quot;g&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My preferences, in approximate order are :
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) &lt;<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/42998910@N02/5078260989/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/42998910@N02/5078260989/</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia_variations by gejobj.
+</I>&gt;<i> These are 11 variations (by colour/font) of the same logo.
+</I>&gt;<i> These are based on
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/42998910@N02/5012718103/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/42998910@N02/5012718103/</A>&gt; marisa_mageia_v2
+</I>&gt;<i> by the same designer, also on the selection list.
+</I>&gt;<i> A cube showing 3 faces, forming an &quot;M&quot; below and an &quot;L&quot; above, with
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Mageia&quot; to the right, and a small &quot;Linux&quot; below to the right of the &quot;g&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> My prefered colour scheme is column 2 row 2. (blue+green &quot;M&quot;, orange
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;L&quot;, violet &quot;Linux&quot;)
+</I>&gt;<i> My prefered font for &quot;mageia&quot; is column 2 row 4 (last), due to open &quot;g&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> (simpler) and &quot;a&quot; (not easily confused with &quot;o&quot;).
+</I>&gt;<i> For &quot;Linux&quot; it is column 1 row 7 (last), non-serif proportional small caps.
+</I>&gt;<i> ----
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) &lt;<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ennael/5021614786/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/ennael/5021614786/</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia_ftizzoni05 by ennael, from F. Tizzoni.
+</I>&gt;<i> An &quot;M&quot; formed of 4 oblique rectangles, 2 tones of violet, 2 tones of
+</I>&gt;<i> orange, with &quot;Mageia&quot; below to the right, an orange dot on the &quot;i&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> Very distinctive.
+</I>&gt;<i> For colours, the orange is very nice. Maybe the violet could be light
+</I>&gt;<i> green or blue-green instead ?
+</I>&gt;<i> The font is ok, except I would use an open &quot;a&quot;, to avoid confusion with &quot;o&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> (This was listed as my 4th choice last time, because it had been removed
+</I>&gt;<i> from the MageiaRed pages.)
+</I>&gt;<i> ----
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) &lt;<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5063070488/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5063070488/</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia7_1-01 by alexn83
+</I>&gt;<i> compass with &quot;Mageia&quot; to the right.
+</I>&gt;<i> I would use the &quot;M&quot; on the simpler dial above, oriented to NE so as to
+</I>&gt;<i> hide the points NE and SW. This simpler image should scale better.
+</I>&gt;<i> I would also make the circle regular.
+</I>&gt;<i> These changes should make it more easily recognisable in different
+</I>&gt;<i> contexts as well.
+</I>&gt;<i> And without the direction letters, multilingual :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the font I would use a sans-serif proportional, with the &quot;a&quot;s open
+</I>&gt;<i> to the left, to be more readable.
+</I>&gt;<i> I would apply this font to the &quot;M&quot; on the compass as well.
+</I>&gt;<i> And no colour gradiant in the font. (Leave that to the image.)
+</I>&gt;<i> The colours go well together.
+</I>&gt;<i> Note that this proposal seems very similar to another computer logo that
+</I>&gt;<i> I've seen in the past, but I can't place it.
+</I>&gt;<i> ----
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 4) &lt;<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/55329486@N03/5134846325/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/55329486@N03/5134846325/</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia_logo_6 by sisopetron
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia in black with a green star for point of the &quot;i&quot;, surrounded, in
+</I>&gt;<i> background, by 5 circles, filled in progressively lighter blue.
+</I>&gt;<i> The 5 spheres representing 5 continents ?
+</I>&gt;<i> The font is ok, except I would use an open &quot;a&quot;, to avoid confusion with &quot;o&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> The green star would be better reduced in size - so as to not overlap
+</I>&gt;<i> the letters. The green makes a very nice accent.
+</I>&gt;<i> The version with green-blue instead of blue in the spheres looks also
+</I>&gt;<i> very nice.
+</I>&gt;<i> ----
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> my 2 cents :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Andr&#233;
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>Patrice Garnier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">patreer at yahoo.ca</A>&gt; schrieb am 2010-11-30
+&gt;<i> Bonjour &#224; vous,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cette d'information est elle disponible en fran&#231;ais?
+</I><A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/fr/">http://blog.mageia.org/fr/</A>
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+[mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>] Im Auftrag von
+Patrice Garnier
+Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. November 2010 18:07
+An: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+Betreff: [Mageia-discuss] R&#233;p. : [Mageia-announce] Mageia
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+Bonjour &#224; vous,
+
+Cette d'information est elle disponible en fran&#231;ais?
+Merci
+
+Patrice
+
+--- En date de : Mar, 30.11.10, Anne nicolas
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
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+De : Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+Objet : [Mageia-announce] Mageia under the snow
+&#192; : <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-announce at mageia.org</A>
+Date: mardi 30 novembre 2010 09 h 17
+
+Here are the last news from Mageia:
+<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=271">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=271</A>
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+Enjoy
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">thecandyman666 at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Luckily the same goes for me, all my favorites are still in :)
+</I>&gt;<i> Tough they are nearly all different ones:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My choices and what comes to my mind when looking at them (in order of
+</I>&gt;<i> preferation):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5141934927/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5141934927/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> All the smalls things are needed to put together to create something good.
+</I>&gt;<i> This logo expresses it perfectly for me. Also I like how it looks with text,
+</I>&gt;<i> as logo only, as icon and so on. Also looks like an instant classic and
+</I>&gt;<i> timeless.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+To me, this logo and the colors chosen are unexciting; almost has a
+bland 70's feel. Does not make my list.
+
+&gt;<i> 2. <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ofaurax/5127775007/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/ofaurax/5127775007/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Timeless, modern, simple.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+One of the best. I did like the suggestion to add some 1's to the
+bubbles as a visual play on &quot;computing&quot;.
+
+&gt;<i> 3. <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5063070488/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5063070488/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Heading in the right direction, we know where to go and what our goals are.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+OK without the star, but not very interesting. Too literal; it's a compass.
+
+
+&gt;<i> 4. <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Flames are dynamic, always changing. In connection with linux it lets me
+</I>&gt;<i> think of a bleeding edge distro. Nice colors, but don't like the font.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I> A good abstract design, but the color selection could be richer, more
+exciting, vibrant. Is Mageia exciting or is it pastel?
+
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 4. <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Flames are dynamic, always changing. In connection with linux it lets me
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> think of a bleeding edge distro. Nice colors, but don't like the font.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;A good abstract design, but the color selection could be richer, more
+</I>&gt;<i> exciting, vibrant. Is Mageia exciting or is it pastel?
+</I>
+Look at it in black/white.
+
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2010/12/1 Hoyt Duff &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hoytduff at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 4. <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Flames are dynamic, always changing. In connection with linux it lets me
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> think of a bleeding edge distro. Nice colors, but don't like the font.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;A good abstract design, but the color selection could be richer, more
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> exciting, vibrant. Is Mageia exciting or is it pastel?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Look at it in black/white.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+In black and white, it looks even more like the yin-yang symbol. The
+design is nice, but not high on my list for that reason.
+
+For the final voting, will the artists be re-submitting the design in
+full compliance with the design guidelines so voting can be unbiased
+by characteristics that are not up for consideration? I feel that this
+is important.
+
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+&gt;<i> For the final voting, will the artists be re-submitting the design in
+</I>&gt;<i> full compliance with the design guidelines so voting can be unbiased
+</I>&gt;<i> by characteristics that are not up for consideration? I feel that this
+</I>&gt;<i> is important.
+</I>
+Well, they had the time to follow the guideline and upload new designs.
+The guideline were proposed 2 months ago :
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/20100929/001554.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/20100929/001554.html</A>
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 01 d&#233;cembre 2010 &#224; 11:38 -0500, Hoyt Duff a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For the final voting, will the artists be re-submitting the design in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> full compliance with the design guidelines so voting can be unbiased
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> by characteristics that are not up for consideration? I feel that this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is important.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, they had the time to follow the guideline and upload new designs.
+</I>&gt;<i> The guideline were proposed 2 months ago :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/20100929/001554.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/20100929/001554.html</A>
+</I>
+Then, after the first step of selection was made there was more time
+to refine/change and tell about it.
+There had to be a deadline eventually.
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+<PRE>On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Then, after the first step of selection was made there was more time
+</I>&gt;<i> to refine/change and tell about it.
+</I>
+Then all submissions not following the guidelines should be removed
+from final consideration.
+
+Or are the guidelines so unimportant that they need not be followed?
+
+Or is there a third option here?
+
+If the guidelines are important and useful and some good submissions
+did not follow them, remediation should be in order and the short-list
+submitters should be asked to resubmit in compliance or their
+submissions will not be considered. A few day's time should be
+sufficient for them to modify their own artwork and this is not too
+large a burden on the submitter or the community nor an unreasonable
+request.
+
+&gt;<i> There had to be a deadline eventually.
+</I>
+Of course, and it should be very firm if we were working with paid
+professionals, but in the case of community-oriented contributions, a
+strict adherence would be a foolish and wasteful consistency. It might
+have been better at the beginning if the person in charge had
+responded &quot;Thank you for your submission, but it does not meet the
+submission guidelines posted at LINK. Please re-read the guidelines
+and re-submit if you desire that your work be considered. If you have
+specific questions about the guidelines, you may contact MAIL.&quot; Then,
+if they don't care enough about their work to comply or have the
+desire to follow through, they are excluded.
+
+Accepting general user input in matters will always require additional
+admin work, unless the BOFH style of management is preferred. While
+that may be *NIX tradition, it will not generate much input from
+potentially valuable neophyte sources nor grow the community.
+
+
+--
+Hoyt
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>2010/12/1 Hoyt Duff &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hoytduff at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>It might
+</I>&gt;<i> have been better at the beginning if the person in charge had
+</I>&gt;<i> responded &quot;Thank you for your submission, but it does not meet the
+</I>&gt;<i> submission guidelines posted at LINK. Please re-read the guidelines
+</I>&gt;<i> and re-submit if you desire that your work be considered. If you have
+</I>&gt;<i> specific questions about the guidelines, you may contact MAIL.&quot; Then,
+</I>&gt;<i> if they don't care enough about their work to comply or have the
+</I>&gt;<i> desire to follow through, they are excluded.
+</I>
+Hmm, you may want to take your time and read all threads about logo
+proposals and count how many times people were pointed at the
+guidelines. Of course not forgetting the numerous hints at the
+guidelines in the announcements about the matter. Anybody who heard
+about the logo campaign will definitely have seen the &quot;Meet the
+guidelines!&quot; sign.
+Complaining now that somebody may not have known about the guidelines
+is really something I wouold not have expected.
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+
+&gt;<i> Complaining now that somebody may not have known about the guidelines
+</I>&gt;<i> is really something I wouold not have expected.
+</I>
+I'm not saying that at all. I was suggesting a way that it could have
+been handled differently to achieve a different outcome, i.e that all
+submissions that will be considered would comply with the guidelines.
+
+Since designs that do not adhere to the guidelines are being
+discussed, then the guidelines are actually not important, are they?
+
+However, I assume that the guidelines reflect the way in which the
+logo will be used in production, so they are important after all.
+
+I was commenting that since they are important, remediation of the
+submissions is mandatory before any final vote can be taken so that
+only the important aspects of the designs be considered. If the
+designers do not want to re-submit, they should not be considered in
+any final vote.
+
+Compliance with the guidelines should have been enforced at the
+beginning, but it was not, so it must be done now. Any other choice
+seems irresponsible for the administrator of this process and unfair
+to the submitters.
+
+But again, if the guidelines are unimportant, then maintain the status quo.
+
+--
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 01 d&#233;cembre 2010 &#224; 14:26 -0500, Hoyt Duff a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>
+&gt;<i> &gt; There had to be a deadline eventually.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, and it should be very firm if we were working with paid
+</I>&gt;<i> professionals, but in the case of community-oriented contributions, a
+</I>&gt;<i> strict adherence would be a foolish and wasteful consistency.
+</I>
+Well, we also have deadlines, ie, without logo, we cannot have a
+website, etc. And there was plenty of time for people to send lots of
+proposal, to discuss the logo, etc.
+
+And the deadline was already extended one time.
+<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=156">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=156</A>
+
+
+
+--
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+ <h1>1 December 2010 Archives by subject</h1>
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Dec 1 08:45:22 CET 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Dec 1 22:17:42 CET 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 12<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003141.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion
+</A><A NAME="3141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Enrico Gsell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003145.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion
+</A><A NAME="3145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003146.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion
+</A><A NAME="3146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003147.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion
+</A><A NAME="3147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003148.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion
+</A><A NAME="3148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003149.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion
+</A><A NAME="3149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003150.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion
+</A><A NAME="3150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003151.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion
+</A><A NAME="3151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003152.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion
+</A><A NAME="3152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003153.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion
+</A><A NAME="3153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003143.html">[Mageia-discuss] R&#233;p. : [Mageia-announce] Mageia under the snow
+</A><A NAME="3143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003144.html">[Mageia-discuss] R&#233;p. : [Mageia-announce] Mageia under the snow
+</A><A NAME="3144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
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+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Wed Dec 1 22:17:42 CET 2010</i><br>
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Dec 1 08:45:22 CET 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Dec 1 22:17:42 CET 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 12<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01291189522- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003141.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion
+</A><A NAME="3141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Enrico Gsell
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01291189522-01291219349- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003145.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion
+</A><A NAME="3145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01291189522-01291219349-01291220646- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003146.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion
+</A><A NAME="3146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01291189522-01291219349-01291220646-01291221482- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003147.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion
+</A><A NAME="3147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01291189522-01291219349-01291220646-01291221482-01291228231- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003148.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion
+</A><A NAME="3148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01291189522-01291219349-01291220646-01291221482-01291228231-01291228415- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003149.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion
+</A><A NAME="3149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01291189522-01291219349-01291220646-01291221482-01291228231-01291228415-01291231614- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003150.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion
+</A><A NAME="3150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01291189522-01291219349-01291220646-01291221482-01291228231-01291228415-01291231614-01291232148- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003151.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion
+</A><A NAME="3151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01291189522-01291219349-01291220646-01291221482-01291228231-01291228415-01291231614-01291232148-01291237515- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003152.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion
+</A><A NAME="3152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01291189522-01291219349-01291220646-01291221482-01291228231-01291228415-01291231614-01291238262- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003153.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion
+</A><A NAME="3153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01291203577- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003143.html">[Mageia-discuss] R&#233;p. : [Mageia-announce] Mageia under the snow
+</A><A NAME="3143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01291203660- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003144.html">[Mageia-discuss] R&#233;p. : [Mageia-announce] Mageia under the snow
+</A><A NAME="3144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
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+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Wed Dec 1 22:17:42 CET 2010</i><br>
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