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+ <B>Juan Luis Baptiste</B>
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+<PRE>On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Frederic Janssens &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fjanss at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 04:08, Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What is the simplest way to install all those rpms ?
+</I>&gt;<i> thanks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+<A HREF="http://not403.blogspot.com/2010/10/kde-452-available-for-mandriva-2010.html">http://not403.blogspot.com/2010/10/kde-452-available-for-mandriva-2010.html</A>
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+--
+Juancho
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+ <B>Marc Par&#233;</B>
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-31 17:34, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Op zondag 31 oktober 2010 22:24:02 schreef Marc Par&#233;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 2010-10-31 16:55, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I wouldn't go so far. they could, but they probably won't want to deal
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with the bugs themselves.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The reason i state this is just so that people from that community could
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> get help easily.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> also, it could kind of be there to help the iso packagers to make working
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> release media.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks for the reply Maarten.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes helping with out with the packagers, I imagine, is always welcomed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i guess i worded it a bit wrong; even though i said policy (and i kinda
+</I>&gt;<i> believe in it like that as well; some kind of security guarantees for mageia's
+</I>&gt;<i> users), but i see it more like guidelines; like the RPM packaging wiki;
+</I>&gt;<i> there's a policy on stuff, but in reality mdv packagers are pretty free to do
+</I>&gt;<i> it how they want.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Ah, I see. I guess at this point, we would have to have direction from
+an SC member as to how to handle this situation. But, IMHO, we should
+still keep the policies/guidelines as easy as possible as we would like
+to get the distro into as many hands as possible.
+
+Marc
+
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">balcaen.john at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 30 octobre 2010 23:29:18, rom1dep a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> So for the moment i'm quite happy with this set up
+</I>&gt;<i> Users can install kde 4.5.2 from kde's ftp &amp; add my ftp (or MIB's mirror since
+</I>&gt;<i> MIB is mirroring kde4.5.2 from my ftp) to get &#171; updates &#187;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I'm having the following issues on x86_64 that maybe someone else have
+noticed too:
+
+* I lost my plasdma activities: before I had three of them, now
+right-clicking on the desktop and selecting &quot;Activities...&quot; shows an
+empty widget, there's not even present the current worspace currently
+on use.
+* The kmixer and klipper systray icons are changed for the old pre-4.5
+ones after a couple of seconds of showing up on the system tray. I
+mean, I log in into KDE and I see the gray kmixer and klipper icons
+from KDE 4.5.x, but after a second or two, both disappear and then
+appear the old icons that those apps used on KDE prior to 4.5.
+* Scrolling over kmixer to change volume doesn't show the volume level
+popup, but It does change volume.
+* Kopete doesn't change it's icon to the spinning one when a message
+is received, so the only way to know that you received a message is to
+hear the notification. When you click kopete's icon, it's main window
+will maximize and you will see the new message icon over the contact's
+that send it.
+
+This only happened on x86_64, on my laptop with i586 none of those
+issues happened. I'll change my repos to MIB ones and see if there's
+any update that fixes this issues.
+
+
+--
+Juancho
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+<PRE>Le Sunday 31 October 2010 21:50:00, Juan Luis Baptiste a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> I'm having the following issues on x86_64 that maybe someone else have
+</I>&gt;<i> noticed too:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * I lost my plasdma activities: before I had three of them, now
+</I>&gt;<i> right-clicking on the desktop and selecting &quot;Activities...&quot; shows an
+</I>&gt;<i> empty widget, there's not even present the current worspace currently
+</I>&gt;<i> on use.
+</I>I'm not able to reproduce here (i switch from KDE SC 4.4.3 of 2010.1 to 4.5.3)
+
+&gt;<i> * The kmixer and klipper systray icons are changed for the old pre-4.5
+</I>&gt;<i> ones after a couple of seconds of showing up on the system tray. I
+</I>&gt;<i> mean, I log in into KDE and I see the gray kmixer and klipper icons
+</I>&gt;<i> from KDE 4.5.x, but after a second or two, both disappear and then
+</I>&gt;<i> appear the old icons that those apps used on KDE prior to 4.5.
+</I>I did not notice.
+I'm using oxygen theme, &amp; also did not test the 4.5.0 on 2010.1
+
+&gt;<i> * Scrolling over kmixer to change volume doesn't show the volume level
+</I>&gt;<i> popup, but It does change volume.
+</I>It's working here.
+&gt;<i> * Kopete doesn't change it's icon to the spinning one when a message
+</I>&gt;<i> is received, so the only way to know that you received a message is to
+</I>&gt;<i> hear the notification. When you click kopete's icon, it's main window
+</I>&gt;<i> will maximize and you will see the new message icon over the contact's
+</I>&gt;<i> that send it.
+</I>hum, i'm not using kopete,
+There's no configuration or notification set up to for this ?
+&gt;<i> This only happened on x86_64, on my laptop with i586 none of those
+</I>&gt;<i> issues happened. I'll change my repos to MIB ones and see if there's
+</I>&gt;<i> any update that fixes this issues.
+</I>I'm using also x86_64.
+There is a few update in fact :
+kdepim 4.4.7,some crash fixed from the future 4.5.3 for kdebase4-workspace &amp;
+kdelibs4, digikam 1.5 &amp; kipi-plugins, and the rc4-1 version of bluedevil
+instead of rc4 (it's fixing a crash on startup when bluedevil is available)
+
+--
+Balcaen John
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mikala at irc.freenode.org</A>
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+it would be nice that all the mandriva/mageia contributors could follow each
+other in twiteer for related work.
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+mine is @ldlq
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+<PRE>Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 2010-10-31 10:51, Dale Huckeby a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> While we agree that &quot;Young Family&quot; doesn't work, it seems to me some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other categories are similarly broad. A useful rule of thumb would be to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> focus not on types of persons or groups but on activities. Since &quot;young
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> family&quot; is not an activity, whereas &quot;web development&quot; is, that gives
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> us an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> objective reason for preferring the latter over the former as a useful
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> category. Likewise for &quot;academia&quot;. Not all academics have the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> needs,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for instance adminstrators versus research professors versus adjuncts
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> who
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> teach and don't do research, yet all would fall under the term
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;academic&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In addition, a given college professor is not going to use his or her
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> computer only AS a professor, and his or her other activities, playing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> poker online, playing games offline, buying and selling stocks and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bonds,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> etc. would vary widely from person to person.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's why I would focus more narrowly on what a person wants to DO with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> his computer, in terms of *specific* tasks or activities. Early in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> process I would ask him what sorts of things he wants to use his
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> computer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for and then list all the things he CAN do with it, each of which can be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> selected or ignored. It MIGHT be useful to note, without it necessarily
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> being a selectable category, some of the things (and the apps that would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> go with them) a typical high school teacher or rabid sports fan or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> writer or stock market player might want to do or, alternatively, we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> could indicate, along with the description of the uses of a particular
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> app or closely linked set of apps, what kinds of people might find
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> such app(s) useful, and why. All of this is a way of saying, which I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> think we're in general agreement on, that we should be careful not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to cast too broad a net with our categories, that each should embody
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a *particular* activity or *closely* linked set of activities.
+</I>Nor too narrow
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dale Huckeby
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here we agree again. There would be nothing to stop that section, for
+</I>&gt;<i> example, &quot;Academia&quot; to open up to subsets of &quot;Academia-Reasearch&quot;;
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Academia-Administrator (office)&quot;; &quot;Academia-Teaching&quot; etc.
+</I>Good point
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And yes, if they play poker online, they would then have checked the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Gaming&quot; category.
+</I>Which could have &quot;cards&quot; among other sub-categories ...
+
+&gt;<i> The choosing of these categories are what the person wants to DO with
+</I>&gt;<i> her/his computer. What you are suggesting is to ask her/him what they
+</I>&gt;<i> would want to do and they would answer by categories. So why add such
+</I>&gt;<i> a layer when we could already dispense with this layer and go straight
+</I>&gt;<i> to the categories?
+</I>Right - the more streamlined the better. As long the user has the choices.
+
+&gt;<i> There are only a certain amount of programmes available and therefore
+</I>&gt;<i> the same for categories. We can offer the categories. If some of the
+</I>&gt;<i> categories are broad, then, when picked, we could have for example, a
+</I>&gt;<i> drop down extended menu from that categories with a sub-set of more
+</I>&gt;<i> descriptive categories.
+</I>I like the idea of a line that expands, like in Rpmdrake categories, or
+the (Gnome) Nautilus file browser.
+
+&gt;<i> And, remember, that software packages will bridge the categories where
+</I>&gt;<i> they fit in more than one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We are saying the same thing but with different approaches.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>
+It seems we're approaching a consensus.
+
+I'm also beginning to see a convergence here ... with the XDG menu
+system used by Mandriva.
+We probably want to keep the installation choices somewhat simpler.
+
+So I see the installation, after the language selection (of one or more
+languages), continuing with the choice of the desktop environment.
+I would have KDE / Gnome / Other (which expands to show the others
+available) / or none (for console only)
+With an &quot;information&quot; button to give the implications, including the
+fallback light desktops for KDE and Gnome.
+
+After that, a dialog for the activity categories, which would have
+default application selections corresponding to the desktop environment
+chosen.
+We could preselect certain categories to make it easier for users who
+don't want to bother choosing.
+
+We list the categories, each of which is expandable to show any
+sub-categories, and further to show the individual applications, for
+more detailed selection/deselection.
+Particularly useful for more advanced users.
+The advantage of this is we can have something suitable for all types of
+users, without requiring configuration or non-intuitive choices.
+Those who want quick easy choices, and those - like myself - who want to
+fine-tune which packages are installed in one pass.
+Required packages such as libraries should probably remain hidden,
+although they would be visible as now in Rpmdrake after the installation.
+
+- Andr&#233;
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+</I>&gt;<i> An alternative for the practical information of this help information:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Personally, I have made a habit of putting this kind of help into
+</I>&gt;<i> popup windows that pop up when you &quot;hover&quot; over the question.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - that avoids cluttering the display with information which half of
+</I>&gt;<i> the users dont need
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - but, having things pop up (accidentally) may be quite annoying;
+</I>&gt;<i> therefore my help popups are controlled by two checkbuttons
+</I>&gt;<i> (1) enable the popup feature permanently
+</I>&gt;<i> (2) enable the popup feature once only
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (2) turns out to be particular useful
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Evidently, to use popups or not is a question of GUI style and must
+</I>&gt;<i> fit into the overall &quot;look&quot; - but since this issue is being discussed:
+</I>&gt;<i> yet another 2 cents.
+</I>
+Personally I don't like popups for anything more than a few words, but
+I'm not strongly opposed either.
+Popups do have a disadvantage if the user, for whatever reason, does not
+have a working mouse available. Athough admittedly awkward, one can
+navigate the installation process using tab, shift/tab.
+As well, what would happen if the user wants to look at the popup info a
+second time if (2) is selected ?
+Of course, with buttons, and maybe an option &quot;(3) no popups&quot;, we could
+have the best of both worlds. :)
+
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+<PRE>On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">balcaen.john at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I did not notice.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm using oxygen theme, &amp; also did not test the 4.5.0 on 2010.1
+</I>
+I'm using that one too.
+
+&gt;<i> There's no configuration or notification set up to for this ?
+</I>
+Yes, and it's set to emit a sound and flash the taskbar entry, so it
+should work.
+
+&gt;<i> There is a few update in fact :
+</I>&gt;<i> kdepim 4.4.7,some crash fixed from the future 4.5.3 for kdebase4-workspace &amp;
+</I>&gt;<i> kdelibs4, digikam 1.5 &amp; kipi-plugins, and the rc4-1 version of bluedevil
+</I>&gt;<i> instead of rc4 (it's fixing a crash on startup when bluedevil is available)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well after updates now the old icons appear instantly without showing
+the current icons before. Another thing I forgot to mention is that
+this problem has nothing to do with my KDE config, it also hapens when
+logging in with a new user.
+
+
+--
+Juancho
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+</I>&gt;<i> Le 2010-10-31 17:34, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op zondag 31 oktober 2010 22:24:02 schreef Marc Par&#233;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 2010-10-31 16:55, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I wouldn't go so far. they could, but they probably won't want to deal
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with the bugs themselves.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The reason i state this is just so that people from that community
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> could
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> get help easily.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> also, it could kind of be there to help the iso packagers to make
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> working
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> release media.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks for the reply Maarten.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes helping with out with the packagers, I imagine, is always welcomed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i guess i worded it a bit wrong; even though i said policy (and i kinda
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> believe in it like that as well; some kind of security guarantees for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mageia's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> users), but i see it more like guidelines; like the RPM packaging wiki;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> there's a policy on stuff, but in reality mdv packagers are pretty
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> free to do
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it how they want.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ah, I see. I guess at this point, we would have to have direction from
+</I>&gt;<i> an SC member as to how to handle this situation. But, IMHO, we should
+</I>&gt;<i> still keep the policies/guidelines as easy as possible as we would
+</I>&gt;<i> like to get the distro into as many hands as possible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>
+Good idea to have some sort of policy on non-official ISOs, but I would
+only be interested, at least initially, in helping distribute exact
+copies of official ISOs. And those will have checksums (md5 and/or
+sha1) available on Mageia respositories and official mirrors, that
+anyone could verify. (Very small files to download.)
+We should make sure that we verify any official ISOs that we distribute.
+I'm sure that is what the German community does.
+
+- Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 2010-10-31 13:49, Juergen Harms a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 10/31/2010 04:24 PM, Marc Par&#233; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I agree. This is where a great Mageia Community would delegate the CD
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> burning to a member or &quot;neighbour&quot;. Maybe even offer some help with
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> installation and trouble-shooting too.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, that is the spirit of my suggestion (and that does not go far
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> beyond what is happening all the time in a forum).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I start wondering: is there a hidden formal issue with sending CDROMs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;left and right&quot; - not within a more or less well-defined Mageia-userxx
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> community? Certainly no problem if I give a couple of CDROMs to some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> neighbours I know (for instance via forum acquaintanceship). But what if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I do the same thing with people I dont know at all? and, moreover, if I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> start claiming that I do this &quot;on behalf of / by delegation from Mageia?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Would be good if - once the time comes - Mageia formulates a couple of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> words on what Mageia considers good practice, and what not.
+</I>Good idea.
+
+&gt;<i> Yes, then, it would be good if Mageia had a policy regarding the
+</I>&gt;<i> burning of discs. However, let's remember that a user asking for a DVD
+</I>&gt;<i> due to his not being able to download from the Mageia site is asking
+</I>&gt;<i> for help to download the Mageia product from the Mageia site. She/He
+</I>&gt;<i> could in essence be given a computer a the Community (headquarters)
+</I>&gt;<i> and he/she could download and burn the ISO. There would be no need for
+</I>&gt;<i> a policy in this case.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now if a member of the Community did the same, would this be in the
+</I>&gt;<i> name of the Mageia group.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can see where the Community &quot;mass&quot; produced the discs and started
+</I>&gt;<i> passing them to complete strangers who had no idea of Mageia, well,
+</I>&gt;<i> then there should be a policy about the burning and of the community
+</I>&gt;<i> involvement.
+</I>Yes. We really would prefer that Mageia ISOs not be considered
+&quot;interesting&quot; frisbees :)
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>
+There is already a policy in the GPL license - we are free to copy and
+distribute as long as we don't remove copyright notices.
+So there is no problem copying and distributing an identical copy of an
+official ISO.
+Any non-GPL package on the ISO would be freely distributable with the ISO.
+(Mandriva/Mageia have the right to distribute the ISO with its content,
+and are not adding any restrictions to those that copy the ISO.)
+This also applies to any complete package from an ISO or repository,
+with the possible exception of certain non-free packages, according to
+their particular license.
+
+I can see Mageia having suggestions on best practices for distributing
+ISOs, for instance always verifying the checksum, and ensuring that the
+checksum is available on an accessible web site.
+Since Mageia and mirrors will already have the checksums available for
+official ISOs, it is easier to distribute copies of official ISOs.
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+<PRE>On 1 November 2010 02:50, Juan Luis Baptiste &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">juan.baptiste at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">balcaen.john at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le samedi 30 octobre 2010 23:29:18, rom1dep a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So for the moment i'm quite happy with this set up
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Users can install kde 4.5.2 from kde's ftp &amp; add my ftp (or MIB's mirror since
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> MIB is mirroring kde4.5.2 from my ftp) to get &#171; updates &#187;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm having the following issues on x86_64 that maybe someone else have
+</I>&gt;<i> noticed too:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * I lost my plasdma activities: before I had three of them, now
+</I>&gt;<i> right-clicking on the desktop and selecting &quot;Activities...&quot; shows an
+</I>&gt;<i> empty widget, there's not even present the current worspace currently
+</I>&gt;<i> on use.
+</I>&gt;<i> * The kmixer and klipper systray icons are changed for the old pre-4.5
+</I>&gt;<i> ones after a couple of seconds of showing up on the system tray. I
+</I>&gt;<i> mean, I log in into KDE and I see the gray kmixer and klipper icons
+</I>&gt;<i> from KDE 4.5.x, but after a second or two, both disappear and then
+</I>&gt;<i> appear the old icons that those apps used on KDE prior to 4.5.
+</I>&gt;<i> * Scrolling over kmixer to change volume doesn't show the volume level
+</I>&gt;<i> popup, but It does change volume.
+</I>&gt;<i> * Kopete doesn't change it's icon to the spinning one when a message
+</I>&gt;<i> is received, so the only way to know that you received a message is to
+</I>&gt;<i> hear the notification. When you click kopete's icon, it's main window
+</I>&gt;<i> will maximize and you will see the new message icon over the contact's
+</I>&gt;<i> that send it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Open systemsettings&gt; startup and shutdown&gt; service manager, make sure
+&quot;Status notifier manager&quot; is running (and marked to start at login).
+
+If you find that area greyed out, make sure kded4 is running.
+
+&gt;<i> This only happened on x86_64, on my laptop with i586 none of those
+</I>&gt;<i> issues happened. I'll change my repos to MIB ones and see if there's
+</I>&gt;<i> any update that fixes this issues.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Juancho
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
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+[....]
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Actually, I have one tweak to suggest which underlines your comments
+</I>&gt;<i> about duplicity in services (multiple editors. mp3 players and so
+</I>&gt;<i> forth.) Much of this can be reduced by employing a much stricter
+</I>&gt;<i> demarcation between GNOME and KDE. Since we do not use KDE we
+</I>&gt;<i> automatically search for 'kde' in MCC and remove packages it finds as
+</I>&gt;<i> part of our general install protocol. If the user does NOT install KDE,
+</I>&gt;<i> only GNOME, then why should kde packages be installed anyway - some 80
+</I>&gt;<i> or so the last time we went through this? Some of this has been made
+</I>&gt;<i> very apparent with the current upgrading of python services.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> George
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;All that is impossible remains to be accomplished.&quot; &#160;- Jonathan Franzen
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+That's a known bug in the installer, I am not sure if it's fixed or not yet.
+
+--
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+<PRE>Le 2010-11-01 00:20, andre999 a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> It seems we're approaching a consensus.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm also beginning to see a convergence here ... with the XDG menu
+</I>&gt;<i> system used by Mandriva.
+</I>&gt;<i> We probably want to keep the installation choices somewhat simpler.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I see the installation, after the language selection (of one or more
+</I>&gt;<i> languages), continuing with the choice of the desktop environment.
+</I>&gt;<i> I would have KDE / Gnome / Other (which expands to show the others
+</I>&gt;<i> available) / or none (for console only)
+</I>&gt;<i> With an &quot;information&quot; button to give the implications, including the
+</I>&gt;<i> fallback light desktops for KDE and Gnome.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After that, a dialog for the activity categories, which would have
+</I>&gt;<i> default application selections corresponding to the desktop environment
+</I>&gt;<i> chosen.
+</I>&gt;<i> We could preselect certain categories to make it easier for users who
+</I>&gt;<i> don't want to bother choosing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We list the categories, each of which is expandable to show any
+</I>&gt;<i> sub-categories, and further to show the individual applications, for
+</I>&gt;<i> more detailed selection/deselection.
+</I>&gt;<i> Particularly useful for more advanced users.
+</I>&gt;<i> The advantage of this is we can have something suitable for all types of
+</I>&gt;<i> users, without requiring configuration or non-intuitive choices.
+</I>&gt;<i> Those who want quick easy choices, and those - like myself - who want to
+</I>&gt;<i> fine-tune which packages are installed in one pass.
+</I>&gt;<i> Required packages such as libraries should probably remain hidden,
+</I>&gt;<i> although they would be visible as now in Rpmdrake after the installation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Andr&#233;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes, this is it. So, all that we would have left to organise is (in
+consultation with the Mageia membership and its expert opinion on this):
+
+* make a list of categories and sub-categories
+* for each &quot;tag-able&quot; list, create a list of appropriate software
+packages best suited for that category.
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>Le 2010-11-01 01:13, andre999 a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Ah, I see. I guess at this point, we would have to have direction from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> an SC member as to how to handle this situation. But, IMHO, we should
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> still keep the policies/guidelines as easy as possible as we would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> like to get the distro into as many hands as possible.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Good idea to have some sort of policy on non-official ISOs, but I would
+</I>&gt;<i> only be interested, at least initially, in helping distribute exact
+</I>&gt;<i> copies of official ISOs. And those will have checksums (md5 and/or sha1)
+</I>&gt;<i> available on Mageia respositories and official mirrors, that anyone
+</I>&gt;<i> could verify. (Very small files to download.)
+</I>&gt;<i> We should make sure that we verify any official ISOs that we distribute.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm sure that is what the German community does.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Andr&#233;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I agree. I would also be only interested in distributing exact copies of
+official ISO's. I believe this is what most people would be looking for.
+
+Hey we could offer this on the Canadian Community site once it is up and
+running.
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+Marc
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+&gt;<i> Just wondering
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it would be nice that all the mandriva/mageia contributors could follow each
+</I>&gt;<i> other in twiteer for related work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mine is @ldlq
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A+
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Sorry but i consider twitter and facebook the reason for someone who
+doesnt need a phone, to buy a iphone!!
+:<i>D
+</I>
+I would prefere something like Planet Mageia.
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+&gt;<i> 2010/11/1, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dlucio at okay.com.mx</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it would be nice that all the mandriva/mageia contributors could follow
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; each other in twiteer for related work.
+</I>&gt;<i> I would prefere something like Planet Mageia.
+</I>
+Me too. Why should anyone be forced to use a platform he doesn't like?
+Something like &quot;Planet Mageia&quot; where anyone can use whatever blog he likes
+would be better by far!
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+<PRE> Always thinking about slow internet connections, or no connection at
+all (in Ard&#232;che, in Burkina Faso, in Niger etc...)
+
+Three months after the last version of Mandriva has appeared, I have
+downloaded more than 700 Mo of updates (some updates updating previous
+updates)
+
+If someone installs Mageia with a DVD or CD provided by somebody, he
+will get more and more rpms to update as much as time goes on.... (for
+instance if Mageia 2011 appears april 2011, I send a DVD to my friend
+who installs it on his new computer in september 2011 .... and he will
+be asked to update his installed Mageia)
+If he cannot download a CD iso because of his connection, he cannot
+download 700 Mo of updates !!!
+
+It might be useful to provide
+ &quot;updated&quot; DVD iso or CD iso, some time after the release was provided,
+so that those burned DVD or CD can be sent to people with slow internet
+connection, freeing them of huge updates to download !!!
+
+The only solution I have for now with Mandriva is to keep a copy of
+each dowloaded updated rpm in a folder, and to fill a DVD with those
+rpms (it is a DVD of updates, not an updated DVD...) and to send it.
+My friend copyes those rpms in a specially created folder, and add this
+folder as a source in rpmdrake... (not so easy for a newbie) and he can
+get an up to date working Mandriva immediately...
+
+my 2 pence
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+<PRE>Le 2010-11-01 06:00, Philippe DIDIER a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Always thinking about slow internet connections, or no connection at
+</I>&gt;<i> all (in Ard&#232;che, in Burkina Faso, in Niger etc...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Three months after the last version of Mandriva has appeared, I have
+</I>&gt;<i> downloaded more than 700 Mo of updates (some updates updating previous
+</I>&gt;<i> updates)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If someone installs Mageia with a DVD or CD provided by somebody, he
+</I>&gt;<i> will get more and more rpms to update as much as time goes on.... (for
+</I>&gt;<i> instance if Mageia 2011 appears april 2011, I send a DVD to my friend
+</I>&gt;<i> who installs it on his new computer in september 2011 .... and he will
+</I>&gt;<i> be asked to update his installed Mageia)
+</I>&gt;<i> If he cannot download a CD iso because of his connection, he cannot
+</I>&gt;<i> download 700 Mo of updates !!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It might be useful to provide
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;updated&quot; DVD iso or CD iso, some time after the release was provided,
+</I>&gt;<i> so that those burned DVD or CD can be sent to people with slow internet
+</I>&gt;<i> connection, freeing them of huge updates to download !!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The only solution I have for now with Mandriva is to keep a copy of
+</I>&gt;<i> each dowloaded updated rpm in a folder, and to fill a DVD with those
+</I>&gt;<i> rpms (it is a DVD of updates, not an updated DVD...) and to send it.
+</I>&gt;<i> My friend copyes those rpms in a specially created folder, and add this
+</I>&gt;<i> folder as a source in rpmdrake... (not so easy for a newbie) and he can
+</I>&gt;<i> get an up to date working Mandriva immediately...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> my 2 pence
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Actually, good point.
+
+Would there be a better way to do this?
+
+It's a shame that Mandriva/Mageia does not add the updates to the
+official ISO. This would then not be an issue.
+
+Perhaps we could ask for this as a feature?
+
+Are there any devs on the list who could provide some opinion?
+
+Marc
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+&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt; schrieb am 2010-11-01
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2010/11/1, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dlucio at okay.com.mx</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; it would be nice that all the mandriva/mageia contributors could follow
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; each other in twiteer for related work.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I would prefere something like Planet Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Me too. Why should anyone be forced to use a platform he doesn't like?
+</I>
+Nobody said anyone would be forced to use twitter.
+
+&gt;<i> Something like &quot;Planet Mageia&quot; where anyone can use whatever blog he likes
+</I>&gt;<i> would be better by far!
+</I>
+Nobody said there would not be a &quot;Planet Mageia&quot;. It is planned to have
+one.
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+ <B>Donald Stewart</B>
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+&gt;<i> Le 2010-11-01 06:00, Philippe DIDIER a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;Always thinking about slow internet connections, or no connection at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> all (in Ard&#232;che, in Burkina Faso, in Niger etc...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Three months after the last version of Mandriva has appeared, I have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> downloaded more than 700 Mo of updates (some updates updating previous
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updates)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If someone installs Mageia with a DVD or CD provided by somebody, he
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> will get more and more rpms to update as much as time goes on.... (for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> instance if Mageia 2011 appears april 2011, I send a DVD to my friend
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> who installs it on his new computer in september 2011 .... and he will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be asked to update his installed Mageia)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If he cannot download a CD iso because of his connection, he cannot
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> download 700 Mo of updates !!!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It might be useful to provide
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;&quot;updated&quot; DVD iso or CD iso, some time after the release was provided,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so that those burned DVD or CD can be sent to people with slow internet
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> connection, freeing them of huge updates to download !!!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The only solution I have for now with Mandriva &#160;is to keep a copy of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> each dowloaded updated rpm in a folder, and to fill a DVD with those
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpms (it is a DVD of updates, not an updated DVD...) and to send it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My friend copyes those rpms in a specially created folder, and add this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> folder as a source in rpmdrake... (not so easy for a newbie) and he can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> get an up to date working Mandriva immediately...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> my 2 pence
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Actually, good point.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would there be a better way to do this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's a shame that Mandriva/Mageia does not add the updates to the official
+</I>&gt;<i> ISO. This would then not be an issue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps we could ask for this as a feature?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Are there any devs on the list who could provide some opinion?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Using delta rpms would reduce the size of the updates, or has my lack
+of understanding of delta roms got in the way?
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+ <B>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m</B>
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+&gt;<i> Using delta rpms would reduce the size of the updates, or has my lack
+</I>&gt;<i> of understanding of delta roms got in the way?
+</I>
+It seem right, but should be implemented too...
+It have been asked and discussed for Mandriva
+<A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24535">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24535</A>
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+ <B>TMKCodes</B>
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+&gt;<i> Den 2010-11-01 12:34:24 Donald Stewart wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Using delta rpms would reduce the size of the updates, or has my lack
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of understanding of delta roms got in the way?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It seem right, but should be implemented too...
+</I>&gt;<i> It have been asked and discussed for Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24535">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24535</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Why not do the build server so that it builds the iso's again when patches come?
+
+--
+Toni Mikael Korpela &quot;TMKCodes&quot;
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tmkcodes at gmail.com</A>
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+ <B>Andr&#233; Machado</B>
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+Mandriva One has six different isos for each language, what can confuse user;
+Ubuntu has only one iso with all languages, but the basic. Why not create a
+Mageia One with only basic languages? Rest of translations can be downloaded
+during installation.
+
+And I agree: we can do something like a &quot;Mageia Update Pack&quot; when each month we
+create an updates iso with all updates from last month.
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+&gt;<i> I fully agree and say more:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva One has six different isos for each language, what can confuse user;
+</I>&gt;<i> Ubuntu has only one iso with all languages, but the basic. Why not create a
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia One with only basic languages? Rest of translations can be downloaded
+</I>&gt;<i> during installation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And I agree: we can do something like a &quot;Mageia Update Pack&quot; when each month we
+</I>&gt;<i> create an updates iso with all updates from last month.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+OK, you know what I'll say to this, I like it!
+
+Remembering that we are trying to keep the amount of data down for
+dial-up connections:
+
+Re: Mageia One: I think the idea behind the iso's was to try to divide
+earth into 6 &quot;language&quot; areas in the hopes of supplying an iso that was
+specifically tragetted to each specific areas. If we were to offer only
+1 basic iso how much more data would a user have to potentially need to
+download and would this add a considerable time to her/his download time?
+
+As the original thread spoke of supplying a member with a Mageia disc
+from a local Community, would the Community be able to provide a copy of
+the Mageia One disc along with the translation required by the user?
+Would this be possible?
+
+Re: the main Mageia ISO: a &quot;Mageia Update Pack&quot; would be great. I
+wonder, why would Mageia not offer this by default for download? Is
+there a reason for this?
+
+As the original thread was about supplying users with a copy of a Mageia
+disk, the local Community could then supply the user with a copy of the
+&quot;Mageia Update Pack&quot; disc.
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>I believe it would be possible to update the isos say each month, and made so
+it by a script in an installed system could be used as update repo too. (it
+mounts the CD and registers it as a update repo for the normal updater to
+use)
+
+It has packages from main update repo replacing updated versions.
+It does NOT use chauldron.
+- Almost like we have a new release each month, but it really is just updates,
+no revolutionary changes.
+
+Strong points:
+
+&#167; Always possible to download a current live/install
+
+&#167; CD can be made and handed out from friends or local organisations both for
+new trials and to the ones who just need update.
+
+Still not a good solution for thoose who only have low bandwidth and no easy
+way to recieve a CD though...
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+&gt;<i>I believe it would be possible to update the isos say each month,
+</I>and made so
+&gt;<i>it by a script in an installed system could be used as update repo
+</I>too. (it
+&gt;<i>mounts the CD and registers it as a update repo for the normal
+</I>updater to
+&gt;<i>use)
+</I>
+I'm not a developer but I think the effort for new isos every month
+is to high for the profit.
+I'm generally for a procedure with small steps. Let's start with the
+basics so we can evaluate the power of the community. Later we can
+add some specials (like monthly builds, ...) step by step. I thinks
+that&#146;s far more effective, than starting with a million features and
+realizing that we are overstrained with the work.
+
+In this explicit issue, we need to know what release cycle we will
+use. For example, if we use 12 month cycle with &quot;light&quot; rolling, I
+found a new build every 3 month for appropriate. If we remain with
+the current release cycle, I don't really see a profit in releasing
+monthly builds. So we should take this in account.
+
+Regards,
+Thorsten
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not a developer but I think the effort for new isos every month
+</I>&gt;<i> is to high for the profit.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm generally for a procedure with small steps. Let's start with the
+</I>&gt;<i> basics so we can evaluate the power of the community. Later we can
+</I>&gt;<i> add some specials (like monthly builds, ...) step by step. I thinks
+</I>&gt;<i> that&#8217;s far more effective, than starting with a million features and
+</I>&gt;<i> realizing that we are overstrained with the work.
+</I>
+Agreed. Much of this whole discussion is touching topics which will be
+an issue in the future and depending on decisions which will have to
+be made before. What I wrote previously about developpers and
+contributors is also an issue here: we don't know anything yet about
+the ressources we will have once the initial hype is gone. In every
+project you will see a lot of people being very enthousiastic about it
+all. But how many people will be there when the work is on its way,
+you can't say by now.
+
+There were some interesting ideas in this thread and I am sure some of
+those will be implemented or set to work once the time has come.
+
+So let's wait until the framework is there, until the first final is
+out, until we see what kind of release model Mageia will use and until
+we really see what ressources are in the contributor's and in the
+user's corner. Then we can talk about what will be required in this
+area.
+--
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+<PRE>I wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt;I believe it would be possible to update the isos say each month,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and made so it by a script in an installed system could be used
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; as update repo too. (it mounts the CD and registers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it as a update repo for the normal updater to use
+</I>
+Den 2010-11-01 16:48:41 Thorsten van Lil wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> I'm not a developer but I think the effort for new isos every month
+</I>&gt;<i> is to high for the profit.
+</I>
+I think it do not need much effort once it is automated.
+It is about getting *already known good updates* into the iso.
+
+I believe no extra manual testning need be done but maybe automatic script to
+check any new dependency, maybe total size, and things i don&#7787; know...
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+<PRE>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m wrote:
+&gt;<i> I believe it would be possible to update the isos say each month, and made so
+</I>&gt;<i> it by a script in an installed system could be used as update repo too. (it
+</I>&gt;<i> mounts the CD and registers it as a update repo for the normal updater to
+</I>&gt;<i> use)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It has packages from main update repo replacing updated versions.
+</I>&gt;<i> It does NOT use chauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> - Almost like we have a new release each month, but it really is just updates,
+</I>&gt;<i> no revolutionary changes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Weak point:
+
+Unless you are prepared to do full intensive QA on the updated distro,
+the quality of these updated ISOs can be significantly lower than the
+quality of the original release ISO. Since it will look, for all
+intents and purposes, like the release ISO, that level of quality will
+be what people expect of it.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you find that area greyed out, make sure kded4 is running.
+</I>
+That's the problem !! kded4 isn't being run at login, but dunno why.
+After I manually run it, all those problems are fixed :D
+
+But how to fix it ?
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+Juancho
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:36 AM, Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you find that area greyed out, make sure kded4 is running.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's the problem !! kded4 isn't being run at login, but dunno why.
+</I>&gt;<i> After I manually run it, all those problems are fixed :D
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But how to fix it ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Juancho
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+My guess would be kded4 loads at login but it crashes for some reason.
+If you have a login sound enabled, try disabling it; if you have
+amarok running from a previous session try quitting it before a log
+out &gt; log in.
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My guess would be kded4 loads at login but it crashes for some reason.
+</I>&gt;<i> If you have a login sound enabled, try disabling it; if you have
+</I>&gt;<i> amarok running from a previous session try quitting it before a log
+</I>&gt;<i> out &gt; log in.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I don't think the problem has to do with a previously running
+application because with a freshly created account I have the same
+problem. But in both cases I see the following suspicious message on
+.xsession-errors:
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">juancho at localhost</A> ~]$ grep kded .xsession-errors|more
+kded(28349)/kdecore (KConfigSkeleton) KCoreConfigSkeleton::writeConfig:
+korgac(28983)/kdecore (K*TimeZone*): KSystemTimeZones: ktimezoned
+initialize() D-Bus call failed: &quot;The name org.kde.kded was
+ not provided by any .service files&quot;
+knotify(28769)/phonon (KDE plugin):
+QDBusError(&quot;org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown&quot;, &quot;The name
+org.kde.kded was not pr
+ovided by any .service files&quot;)
+knotify(28769)/phonon (KDE plugin):
+QDBusError(&quot;org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown&quot;, &quot;The name
+org.kde.kded was not pr
+ovided by any .service files&quot;)
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+
+After I run kded4 manually from a konsole, those messages aren't shown.
+
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My guess would be kded4 loads at login but it crashes for some reason.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you have a login sound enabled, try disabling it; if you have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> amarok running from a previous session try quitting it before a log
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> out &gt; log in.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think the problem has to do with a previously running
+</I>&gt;<i> application because with a freshly created account I have the same
+</I>&gt;<i> problem. But in both cases I see the following suspicious message on
+</I>&gt;<i> .xsession-errors:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">juancho at localhost</A> ~]$ grep kded .xsession-errors|more
+</I>&gt;<i> kded(28349)/kdecore (KConfigSkeleton) KCoreConfigSkeleton::writeConfig:
+</I>&gt;<i> korgac(28983)/kdecore (K*TimeZone*): KSystemTimeZones: ktimezoned
+</I>&gt;<i> initialize() D-Bus call failed: &#160;&quot;The name org.kde.kded was
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;not provided by any .service files&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> knotify(28769)/phonon (KDE plugin):
+</I>&gt;<i> QDBusError(&quot;org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown&quot;, &quot;The name
+</I>&gt;<i> org.kde.kded was not pr
+</I>&gt;<i> ovided by any .service files&quot;)
+</I>&gt;<i> knotify(28769)/phonon (KDE plugin):
+</I>&gt;<i> QDBusError(&quot;org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown&quot;, &quot;The name
+</I>&gt;<i> org.kde.kded was not pr
+</I>&gt;<i> ovided by any .service files&quot;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After I run kded4 manually from a konsole, those messages aren't shown.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Juancho
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+In a new user account the login sound is enabled?
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In a new user account the login sound is enabled?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes it is, but I disabled it and kded4 doesn't crash, how did you knew
+? and what could be causing this ?
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+
+--
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Nov 1 01:38:09 CET 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Nov 1 21:03:45 CET 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 34<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002787.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002789.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002794.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002816.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002818.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002820.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002813.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002802.html">[Mageia-discuss] Twitter
+</A><A NAME="2802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002803.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002801.html">[Mageia-discuss] Twitter
+</A><A NAME="2801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002815.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002790.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002807.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002811.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002814.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002812.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002809.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002788.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002799.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137
+</A><A NAME="2799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002800.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002804.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002810.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002791.html">[Mageia-discuss] Twitter
+</A><A NAME="2791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002797.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002798.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Beginner&quot; &quot;Medium&quot; &quot;Advanced&quot; and &quot;Expert&quot;
+</A><A NAME="2798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002817.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002819.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002806.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002808.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TMKCodes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002792.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137
+</A><A NAME="2792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002793.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137
+</A><A NAME="2793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002795.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002796.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002805.html">[Mageia-discuss] Twitter
+</A><A NAME="2805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Mon Nov 1 21:03:45 CET 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Nov 1 21:04:04 CET 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
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+
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+ <a name="start"></A>
+ <h1>1 November 2010 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
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+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Nov 1 01:38:09 CET 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Nov 1 21:03:45 CET 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 34<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002787.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002788.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002789.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002790.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002791.html">[Mageia-discuss] Twitter
+</A><A NAME="2791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002792.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137
+</A><A NAME="2792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002793.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137
+</A><A NAME="2793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002794.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002795.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002796.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002797.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002798.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Beginner&quot; &quot;Medium&quot; &quot;Advanced&quot; and &quot;Expert&quot;
+</A><A NAME="2798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002799.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137
+</A><A NAME="2799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002800.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002801.html">[Mageia-discuss] Twitter
+</A><A NAME="2801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002802.html">[Mageia-discuss] Twitter
+</A><A NAME="2802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002803.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002804.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002805.html">[Mageia-discuss] Twitter
+</A><A NAME="2805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002806.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002807.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002808.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TMKCodes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002809.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002810.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002811.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002812.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002813.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002814.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002815.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002816.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002817.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002818.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002819.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002820.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Mon Nov 1 21:03:45 CET 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Nov 1 21:04:04 CET 2010</i>
+ <p>
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
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+ <a name="start"></A>
+ <h1>1 November 2010 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Nov 1 01:38:09 CET 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Nov 1 21:03:45 CET 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 34<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002798.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Beginner&quot; &quot;Medium&quot; &quot;Advanced&quot; and &quot;Expert&quot;
+</A><A NAME="2798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002787.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002789.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002790.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002794.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002797.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002816.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002817.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002818.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002819.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002820.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002792.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137
+</A><A NAME="2792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002793.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137
+</A><A NAME="2793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002799.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137
+</A><A NAME="2799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002788.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002795.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002796.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002800.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002803.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002804.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002806.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002807.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002808.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TMKCodes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002809.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002810.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002811.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002812.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002813.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002814.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002815.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002791.html">[Mageia-discuss] Twitter
+</A><A NAME="2791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002801.html">[Mageia-discuss] Twitter
+</A><A NAME="2801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="002802.html">[Mageia-discuss] Twitter
+</A><A NAME="2802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="002805.html">[Mageia-discuss] Twitter
+</A><A NAME="2805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
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+ <h1>1 November 2010 Archives by thread</h1>
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Nov 1 01:38:09 CET 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Nov 1 21:03:45 CET 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 34<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01288571889- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002787.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01288572562- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002788.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01288572562-01288588412- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002795.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01288572562-01288588412-01288601341- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002800.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01288572600- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002789.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01288572600-01288575748- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002790.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01288572600-01288575748-01288587058- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002794.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01288572600-01288600590- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002797.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01288572600-01288600590-01288638331- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002816.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01288572600-01288600590-01288638331-01288638882- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002817.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01288572600-01288600590-01288638331-01288638882-01288639864- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002818.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01288572600-01288600590-01288638331-01288638882-01288639864-01288640145- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002819.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01288572600-01288600590-01288638331-01288638882-01288639864-01288640145-01288641825- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002820.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01288584019- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002791.html">[Mageia-discuss] Twitter
+</A><A NAME="2791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01288584019-01288602169- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002801.html">[Mageia-discuss] Twitter
+</A><A NAME="2801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01288584019-01288602169-01288604568- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002802.html">[Mageia-discuss] Twitter
+</A><A NAME="2802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01288584019-01288602169-01288604568-01288608714- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002805.html">[Mageia-discuss] Twitter
+</A><A NAME="2805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01288585240- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002792.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137
+</A><A NAME="2792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01288585240-01288600949- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002799.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137
+</A><A NAME="2799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01288586151- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002793.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137
+</A><A NAME="2793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01288590856- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002796.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01288600747- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002798.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Beginner&quot; &quot;Medium&quot; &quot;Advanced&quot; and &quot;Expert&quot;
+</A><A NAME="2798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01288605646- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002803.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01288605646-01288607076- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002804.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01288605646-01288607076-01288611264- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002806.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01288605646-01288607076-01288611264-01288612434- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002807.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01288605646-01288607076-01288611264-01288612434-01288614254- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002808.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TMKCodes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01288605646-01288607076-01288611264-01288612434-01288614254-01288615839- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002809.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01288605646-01288607076-01288611264-01288612434-01288614254-01288615839-01288620747- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002810.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01288605646-01288607076-01288611264-01288612434-01288614254-01288615839-01288620747-01288624306- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002811.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01288605646-01288607076-01288611264-01288612434-01288614254-01288615839-01288620747-01288624306-01288626521- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002812.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01288605646-01288607076-01288611264-01288612434-01288614254-01288615839-01288620747-01288624306-01288626521-01288628003- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002813.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01288605646-01288607076-01288611264-01288612434-01288614254-01288615839-01288620747-01288624306-01288626521-01288628200- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002814.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01288605646-01288607076-01288611264-01288612434-01288614254-01288615839-01288620747-01288624306-01288634300- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002815.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Mon Nov 1 21:03:45 CET 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Nov 1 21:04:04 CET 2010</i>
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