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+ <B>Dale Huckeby</B>
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+<PRE>On Fri, 29 Oct 2010, Renaud MICHEL wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> On vendredi 29 octobre 2010 at 16:50, Catalin Florin RUSSEN wrote :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You cannot read the mind of an user, but you can install an agent (small
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> app) that register his habits, his installed, applications, his desktop
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> parameters in a central account and reproduce them on a new install, ie.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from version Mageia 2011 to Mageia 2012 :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Desktop and other applications configuration are stored in the user's home
+</I>&gt;<i> directory, so if you have a separate /home partition (which mandriva does by
+</I>&gt;<i> default, I guess mageia will too), even if you re-install you won't lose
+</I>&gt;<i> your configuration.
+</I>
+Ah, but you WILL if you're a newbie and, not knowing any better, format
+that partition along with the others. (It does help that, IIRC, the default
+is to not format it.) This would be a good place for a dialog informing
+the user in nontechnical language of the consequences of formatting /home.
+
+Dale Huckeby
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+<PRE>El 29/10/2010 01:56 p.m., andre999 escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> Renaud MICHEL a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On vendredi 29 octobre 2010 at 16:50, Catalin Florin RUSSEN wrote :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You cannot read the mind of an user, but you can install an agent
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (small
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> app) that register his habits, his installed, applications, his
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> desktop
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> parameters in a central account and reproduce them on a new install,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ie.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> from version Mageia 2011 to Mageia 2012 :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Desktop and other applications configuration are stored in the user's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> home
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> directory, so if you have a separate /home partition (which mandriva
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> does by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> default, I guess mageia will too), even if you re-install you won't lose
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> your configuration.
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes indeed. I should have thought of that, as I have always used a
+</I>&gt;<i> separate /home partition.
+</I>&gt;<i> So that makes the idea workable, without any security risks associated
+</I>&gt;<i> with a remote server.
+</I>&gt;<i> For the first release, at least, Mageia will be generally following
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva defaults.
+</I>&gt;<i> And upgrades will be possible from Mandriva to Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But it is much easier to upgrade instead of doing a fresh install,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> keep all your installed programs (except for conflicts) and your system
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> configuration.
+</I>&gt;<i> Exactly. Also much faster.
+</I>&gt;<i> But there are times where a clean install is advisable.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As a personal note, I don't like the idea of a daemon that would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> register
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what I do with my computer.
+</I>&gt;<i> Neither do I. Security and privacy risks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Andr&#233;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>There is a tool named &quot;recoverdrake&quot; from the guys of www.blogdrake.net.
+it is something like that, just for one detail, work in the same version
+of the distro not from olversion==&gt;new version
+in this way you can &quot;record&quot; everything and reproduce in a fresh install.
+maybe that could be modify to work with.
+
+--
+Alonso Marroquin Molina
+Dideri, S.A. de C.V.
+El Salvador.
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-29 15:42, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Dj Marian a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So instead of guessing, or saving on the internet maybe a quick
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> question at the beginning of the install asking &#180;How do you rate your
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> experience with linux?&#180; beginner medium advanced expert... new ones
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should get a small list to choose programs from (tested and easy to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> use soft)... and some easy way to find what isn&#180;t in the small list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dan.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Interesting idea.
+</I>&gt;<i> This idea nicely complements something in a lot of posts - having groups
+</I>&gt;<i> available to select during installation, instead of or as well as
+</I>&gt;<i> detailed selection by package.
+</I>&gt;<i> Suggested groups have included young family, home office, education
+</I>&gt;<i> (preschool/primary/secondary/post-secondary), small business, gamer,
+</I>&gt;<i> developer, and many others that I can't think of for the moment.
+</I>&gt;<i> These groups would be overlapping, as applications like Firefox and
+</I>&gt;<i> OpenOffice (or one of the variants, Go-oo or LibreOffice) would probably
+</I>&gt;<i> be in several groups.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now during installation there are only Server and Internet user groups,
+</I>&gt;<i> if I remember correctly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I like the 4 levels - a lot better than only beginner/expert.
+</I>&gt;<i> And the small list for new users.
+</I>&gt;<i> And much easier to implement than guessing.
+</I>&gt;<i> Another advantage being that those helping (on forums, etc) would be
+</I>&gt;<i> able to know what exactly the user is seeing.
+</I>&gt;<i> Definitely worth considering. :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Andr&#233;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I am more in favour of the sequence, at installation, when you get to
+the point where you choose &quot;KDE&quot; &quot;GNOME&quot; &quot;Custom&quot;, the user picks
+&quot;Custom&quot; where she/he is presented with options for &quot;Young Family&quot;;
+SOHO; &quot;Gaming&quot; &quot;Education&quot;; &quot;Business&quot;; &quot;Development&quot;; etc. The user
+could pick more than one choice that will bst suit the description of
+his present preference of installation. Of course some of the packages
+may appear in one or more list, but there will be no doubling of
+installed packages. These options are very clear and easily
+understandable by all.
+
+Categories such as &quot;Beginner&quot; &quot;Medium&quot; &quot;Advanced&quot; and &quot;Expert&quot; are very
+subjective terms. What one may consider an &quot;Advanced&quot; person may really
+be a &quot;Medium&quot; user by someone else's definition and etc.
+
+Marc
+
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-29 15:35, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2010/10/29 andre999&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In other words, nothing focused on bandwidth-restricted users.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Unless, of course, they get the DVD (or CD) without downloading it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> themselves.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Which brings to mind the idea of shipping or otherwise distributing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ready-written DVDs and live CDs. And why not a live DVD ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's what the communities have been doing all the time. Example: the
+</I>&gt;<i> German community has an offer for such people to ask for a dvd,
+</I>&gt;<i> somebody will burn the dvd and send it to him via snail mail and he
+</I>&gt;<i> will pay (voluntarily) 5 Euros as donation to the community. As I
+</I>&gt;<i> learned, a similar offer is on in other communites as well. No problem
+</I>&gt;<i> to continue this way, /me thinks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks for this explanation Wobo. Unfortunately, here in Canada there
+doesn't seem to be much community activity. It sounds like it would be
+worth our while then.
+
+I am just wondering if this is the same in the US?
+
+Marc
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+the KDE4.5.2 for Mandriva 2010.1 has been posted on the KDE website. You
+can find it here
+
+<A HREF="http://download.kde.org/download.php?url=stable/4.5.2/Mandriva/2010.1/">http://download.kde.org/download.php?url=stable/4.5.2/Mandriva/2010.1/</A>
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+<PRE>Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 2010-10-29 15:35, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/10/29 andre999&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In other words, nothing focused on bandwidth-restricted users.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Unless, of course, they get the DVD (or CD) without downloading it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> themselves.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Which brings to mind the idea of shipping or otherwise distributing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ready-written DVDs and live CDs. And why not a live DVD ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's what the communities have been doing all the time. Example: the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> German community has an offer for such people to ask for a dvd,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> somebody will burn the dvd and send it to him via snail mail and he
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> will pay (voluntarily) 5 Euros as donation to the community. As I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> learned, a similar offer is on in other communites as well. No problem
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to continue this way, /me thinks.
+</I>Excellent. Including the volontary contribution part.
+It would be really nice to offer live DVDs.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for this explanation Wobo. Unfortunately, here in Canada there
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't seem to be much community activity. It sounds like it would be
+</I>&gt;<i> worth our while then.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am just wondering if this is the same in the US?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>
+Salut Marc
+Why don't we start up a Canadian community to do this, among other things.
+And I can do local promotion in the Montreal area, and you southern
+Ontario / Toronto ?
+And maybe we can find someone out west ?
+(Mailing DVDs would be less expensive locally.)
+
+For the donation part, would we have to set up some sort of formal
+organization (here in Canada, maybe provincially) ?
+
+Maybe we should contact some US Mandriva mirrors to see if someone would
+be interested in doing that there ?
+
+- Andr&#233;
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+&#180;Categories such as &quot;Beginner&quot; &quot;Medium&quot; &quot;Advanced&quot; and &quot;Expert&quot; are very
+subjective terms. What one may consider an &quot;Advanced&quot; person may really
+be a &quot;Medium&quot; user by someone else's definition and etc.&#180;
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+I was referring to the install and remove software program, that it would
+benefit a way of showing packages for each kind of user...
+also if some way it would be possible to guess the user&#180;s intentions after let&#180;s
+say 100 installed packages....
+
+Dan.
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+&gt;<i> So instead of guessing, or saving on the internet maybe a quick question
+</I>&gt;<i> at the beginning of the install asking &#180;How do you rate your experience
+</I>&gt;<i> with linux?&#180; beginner medium advanced expert... new ones should get a
+</I>&gt;<i> small list to choose programs from (tested and easy to use soft)... and
+</I>&gt;<i> some easy way to find what isn&#180;t in the small list
+</I>
+I like that too. But (not limited to this, but related to the issue of
+questions asked by the installer in general):
+
+If a question is asked, there should also be a couple of words
+explaining what the consequence of different replies is. Trying to
+assess alternatives to Mandriva, I have done first-time installs of a
+lot of &quot;new&quot; distributions these last months: it is painful to be fired
+at with a question where you have to make an educated guess on the
+consequences and the ramifications of your reply (example: do you want
+to verify your CDROM - if you say yes, you will be faced with a long
+period of waiting. Some distros provide info on this question, others dont).
+
+My recommendation: make it a principle that questions from the installer
+come with a short explanation (evidently, there are exceptions).
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-30 01:46, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 2010-10-29 15:35, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/10/29 andre999&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In other words, nothing focused on bandwidth-restricted users.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Unless, of course, they get the DVD (or CD) without downloading it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> themselves.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Which brings to mind the idea of shipping or otherwise distributing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ready-written DVDs and live CDs. And why not a live DVD ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That's what the communities have been doing all the time. Example: the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> German community has an offer for such people to ask for a dvd,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> somebody will burn the dvd and send it to him via snail mail and he
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> will pay (voluntarily) 5 Euros as donation to the community. As I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> learned, a similar offer is on in other communites as well. No problem
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to continue this way, /me thinks.
+</I>&gt;<i> Excellent. Including the volontary contribution part.
+</I>&gt;<i> It would be really nice to offer live DVDs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks for this explanation Wobo. Unfortunately, here in Canada there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> doesn't seem to be much community activity. It sounds like it would be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> worth our while then.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am just wondering if this is the same in the US?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Salut Marc
+</I>&gt;<i> Why don't we start up a Canadian community to do this, among other things.
+</I>&gt;<i> And I can do local promotion in the Montreal area, and you southern
+</I>&gt;<i> Ontario / Toronto ?
+</I>&gt;<i> And maybe we can find someone out west ?
+</I>&gt;<i> (Mailing DVDs would be less expensive locally.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the donation part, would we have to set up some sort of formal
+</I>&gt;<i> organization (here in Canada, maybe provincially) ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe we should contact some US Mandriva mirrors to see if someone would
+</I>&gt;<i> be interested in doing that there ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Andr&#233;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Sounds good to me.
+
+I am a little slow moving these days. I am recovering from 2 major back
+surgeries and have just relearned how to walk. But, yes, we could start
+a community at the national level and start organising in the meantime.
+I am already on the marketing team here.
+
+BTW I am also organising the Canadian marketing team Wiki with the
+LibreOffice project. You can see the structure that I have put together
+here: <A HREF="http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/US-Marketing">http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/US-Marketing</A> . Canada
+is a junior partner to the US Marketing Team until we have more members.
+But a lot of the information there could apply to the Mageia Canadian
+Community.
+
+Anyway, I have server space if we need some.
+
+I am not sure if the SC would have any suggestions on this?
+
+Marc
+
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+ <B>Michael Scherer</B>
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 29 octobre 2010 &#224; 21:35 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2010/10/29 andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; In other words, nothing focused on bandwidth-restricted users.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Unless, of course, they get the DVD (or CD) without downloading it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; themselves.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Which brings to mind the idea of shipping or otherwise distributing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ready-written DVDs and live CDs. And why not a live DVD ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's what the communities have been doing all the time. Example: the
+</I>&gt;<i> German community has an offer for such people to ask for a dvd,
+</I>&gt;<i> somebody will burn the dvd and send it to him via snail mail and he
+</I>&gt;<i> will pay (voluntarily) 5 Euros as donation to the community. As I
+</I>&gt;<i> learned, a similar offer is on in other communites as well. No problem
+</I>&gt;<i> to continue this way, /me thinks.
+</I>
+More ever, I think this strengthen the relation between local
+communities and newer users that will discover the software.
+
+Ths also allows the community to provides software streamlined for their
+need, and spread the load of doing a cd on the community ( in term of
+bandwidth, and QA costs ).
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+ <B>yvan munoz</B>
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+<PRE>Hello
+
+Following your discussion, i do proposals to replace the fameaous &quot;DSO
+module for Apache&quot;, find for many apache_mod ... You could view them at :
+<A HREF="http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/ApacheModSummaries">http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/ApacheModSummaries</A>
+Replace the basic summaries with something adequate, a maximum of 80
+characters, highlighting the essence of the description and keep a guideline
+for easy reference/searchs.
+
+If OK on, then i must check tools you discuss here, to provide facilities,
+if i can, for translations or others (specs integrations ?)
+
+Regards.
+
+ps : initially i post many bugs reports on mdv-bz for each, as requested,
+but not the good way (sorry mr Vignaud and Eriksoon if you read that),
+corrected by storing the wiki.
+
+
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+
+&gt;<i> Has the development system been established yet? Is there an installable
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia available?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hello David,
+You could follow any informations through this ML, and with Mageia blog :
+<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org">http://blog.mageia.org</A> (relay on social networks)
+The Mageia Team works actually on Building System and severals services on
+servers.
+Mageia roadmap mention an iso for december (alpha version)
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#180;Categories such as &quot;Beginner&quot; &quot;Medium&quot; &quot;Advanced&quot; and &quot;Expert&quot; are very
+</I>&gt;<i> subjective terms. What one may consider an &quot;Advanced&quot; person may really
+</I>&gt;<i> be a &quot;Medium&quot; user by someone else's definition and etc.&#180;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I've always looked at it this way:
+
+If your target customer is &quot;advanced&quot; or &quot;expert&quot;, then they are
+capable of selecting their own packages to suit their preferences.
+Mandriva addressd this by offering a &quot;minimal install&quot; which was
+reasonably obscured from a novice user.
+
+For everybody else, a preferred selection of applications in several
+categories was offered. my opinion is that the categories were overly
+broad and they installed applications of dubious utility. Again, my
+opinion is the choices be limited to KDE desktop, GNOME desktop and
+LXDE desktop and &quot;select individual packages&quot;, all with single
+instances of applications (for example, not three different MP3
+players, two word processors and so on). As novice users gain
+experience, they can explore and add other applications.
+
+How aout things like samba and sshd, you ask? Those could be done with
+a wizard in a separate part of the install (with an appropriate
+explanation of why one might want them) like ntp and CUPS.
+
+In summary, the Mandriva approach is a good compromise only in need of
+a few tweaks and the install &quot;choices&quot; could be made simpler since
+network servers and the like are usually in the &quot;advanced&quot; user
+domain.
+
+
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/10/30 David &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dgboles at gmail.com</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dgboles at gmail.com</A>&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Has the development system been established yet? Is there an installable
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia available?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hello David,
+</I>&gt;<i> You could follow any informations through this ML, and with Mageia blog
+</I>&gt;<i> : <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org">http://blog.mageia.org</A> (relay on social networks)
+</I>&gt;<i> The Mageia Team works actually on Building System and severals services
+</I>&gt;<i> on servers.
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia roadmap mention an iso for december (alpha version)
+</I>
+
+Thank you.
+--
+
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+<PRE>Juergen Harms a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 10/29/2010 05:44 PM, Dj Marian wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So instead of guessing, or saving on the internet maybe a quick question
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> at the beginning of the install asking &#180;How do you rate your experience
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with linux?&#180; beginner medium advanced expert... new ones should get a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> small list to choose programs from (tested and easy to use soft)... and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> some easy way to find what isn&#180;t in the small list
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I like that too. But (not limited to this, but related to the issue of
+</I>&gt;<i> questions asked by the installer in general):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If a question is asked, there should also be a couple of words
+</I>&gt;<i> explaining what the consequence of different replies is. Trying to
+</I>&gt;<i> assess alternatives to Mandriva, I have done first-time installs of a
+</I>&gt;<i> lot of &quot;new&quot; distributions these last months: it is painful to be
+</I>&gt;<i> fired at with a question where you have to make an educated guess on
+</I>&gt;<i> the consequences and the ramifications of your reply (example: do you
+</I>&gt;<i> want to verify your CDROM - if you say yes, you will be faced with a
+</I>&gt;<i> long period of waiting. Some distros provide info on this question,
+</I>&gt;<i> others dont).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My recommendation: make it a principle that questions from the
+</I>&gt;<i> installer come with a short explanation (evidently, there are exceptions).
+</I>
+Exactly.
+At least one other distribution is excellent compared to Mandriva in
+this regard.
+
+On reflection, asking the user their level of experience with Linux is
+too subjective to be useful. A user with extensive development
+experience in other environments could think &quot;beginner&quot;, a non-computer
+person who has a lot of experience with another Linux distribution could
+think &quot;expert&quot;, but the first could be closer to expert, and the second
+much closer to beginner.
+
+But considering the point of the question, that the user have enough
+information to install easily and with confidence, well written short
+explanations go a long way to satisfying this need.
+Perhaps a well-phrased question, with an &quot;information&quot; button to the
+right to display a sub-window with the explanation. This explanation
+should be in terms understandable by those with little computer
+experience, but with enough info for the more advanced user.
+(This may seem contradictory; it just needs someone with good
+documentation skills.)
+
+Combining (1) short explanations
+with (2) installation groups
+and (3) folding of related packages to one line (expandable)
+will greatly help newer users, while making more detail and options
+available for advanced users.
+
+another 2 cents :)
+
+- Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 29 octobre 2010 21:08:12, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Just for a quick note to those interested, from the Mandriva nntp group,
+</I>&gt;<i> the KDE4.5.2 for Mandriva 2010.1 has been posted on the KDE website. You
+</I>&gt;<i> can find it here
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://download.kde.org/download.php?url=stable/4.5.2/Mandriva/2010.1/">http://download.kde.org/download.php?url=stable/4.5.2/Mandriva/2010.1/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>There is also a build done by mikala
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+<PRE>On Sat, 2010-10-30 at 14:43 -0400, Hoyt Duff wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 3:02 AM, Dj Marian &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">djmarian4u at yahoo.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#180;Categories such as &quot;Beginner&quot; &quot;Medium&quot; &quot;Advanced&quot; and &quot;Expert&quot; are very
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; subjective terms. What one may consider an &quot;Advanced&quot; person may really
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; be a &quot;Medium&quot; user by someone else's definition and etc.&#180;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In summary, the Mandriva approach is a good compromise only in need of
+</I>&gt;<i> a few tweaks and the install &quot;choices&quot; could be made simpler since
+</I>&gt;<i> network servers and the like are usually in the &quot;advanced&quot; user
+</I>&gt;<i> domain.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+My experience with our own servers and with those I have weaned away
+from their owners' Windows dependencies tends to agree with your
+thoughts. (Thank goodness my psych background helps with the trauma
+counselling entailed with this task:-))
+
+Actually, I have one tweak to suggest which underlines your comments
+about duplicity in services (multiple editors. mp3 players and so
+forth.) Much of this can be reduced by employing a much stricter
+demarcation between GNOME and KDE. Since we do not use KDE we
+automatically search for 'kde' in MCC and remove packages it finds as
+part of our general install protocol. If the user does NOT install KDE,
+only GNOME, then why should kde packages be installed anyway - some 80
+or so the last time we went through this? Some of this has been made
+very apparent with the current upgrading of python services.
+
+George
+
+--
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+<I>David
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+<I>Dj Marian
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+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Oct 30 00:05:06 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Oct 30 22:50:50 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 19<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002736.html">[Mageia-discuss] what aabout an automated way of doing it?
+</A><A NAME="2736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002737.html">[Mageia-discuss] what aabout an automated way of doing it?
+</A><A NAME="2737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alonso Marroquin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002738.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137
+</A><A NAME="2738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002739.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002740.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002741.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002742.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Beginner&quot; &quot;Medium&quot; &quot;Advanced&quot; and &quot;Expert&quot;
+</A><A NAME="2742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dj Marian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002743.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137
+</A><A NAME="2743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002745.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002744.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002746.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions
+</A><A NAME="2746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002747.html">[Mageia-discuss] Development repositories?
+</A><A NAME="2747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002756.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nightly builds
+</A><A NAME="2756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002748.html">[Mageia-discuss] Development repositories?
+</A><A NAME="2748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002750.html">[Mageia-discuss] Development repositories?
+</A><A NAME="2750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002749.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Beginner&quot; &quot;Medium&quot; &quot;Advanced&quot; and &quot;Expert&quot;
+</A><A NAME="2749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002751.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137
+</A><A NAME="2751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002752.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002753.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Beginner&quot; &quot;Medium&quot; &quot;Advanced&quot; and &quot;Expert&quot;
+</A><A NAME="2753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>George J. Walsh
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sat Oct 30 22:50:50 CEST 2010</i><br>
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+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
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+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Oct 30 00:05:06 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Oct 30 22:50:50 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 19<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002742.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Beginner&quot; &quot;Medium&quot; &quot;Advanced&quot; and &quot;Expert&quot;
+</A><A NAME="2742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dj Marian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002749.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Beginner&quot; &quot;Medium&quot; &quot;Advanced&quot; and &quot;Expert&quot;
+</A><A NAME="2749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002753.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Beginner&quot; &quot;Medium&quot; &quot;Advanced&quot; and &quot;Expert&quot;
+</A><A NAME="2753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>George J. Walsh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002740.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002752.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002747.html">[Mageia-discuss] Development repositories?
+</A><A NAME="2747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002748.html">[Mageia-discuss] Development repositories?
+</A><A NAME="2748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002750.html">[Mageia-discuss] Development repositories?
+</A><A NAME="2750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002738.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137
+</A><A NAME="2738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002743.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137
+</A><A NAME="2743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002751.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137
+</A><A NAME="2751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002756.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nightly builds
+</A><A NAME="2756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002746.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions
+</A><A NAME="2746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002739.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002741.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002745.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002744.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002736.html">[Mageia-discuss] what aabout an automated way of doing it?
+</A><A NAME="2736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002737.html">[Mageia-discuss] what aabout an automated way of doing it?
+</A><A NAME="2737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alonso Marroquin
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sat Oct 30 22:50:50 CEST 2010</i><br>
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+
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+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Oct 30 00:05:06 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Oct 30 22:50:50 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 19<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01288389906- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002736.html">[Mageia-discuss] what aabout an automated way of doing it?
+</A><A NAME="2736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01288390042- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002737.html">[Mageia-discuss] what aabout an automated way of doing it?
+</A><A NAME="2737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alonso Marroquin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01288399708- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002738.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137
+</A><A NAME="2738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01288400131- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002739.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01288400131-01288417613- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002741.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01288400131-01288417613-01288428822- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002744.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01288404492- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002740.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01288404492-01288469587- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002752.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive
+</A><A NAME="2752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01288422145- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002742.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Beginner&quot; &quot;Medium&quot; &quot;Advanced&quot; and &quot;Expert&quot;
+</A><A NAME="2742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dj Marian
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01288422145-01288464239- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002749.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Beginner&quot; &quot;Medium&quot; &quot;Advanced&quot; and &quot;Expert&quot;
+</A><A NAME="2749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01288422145-01288464239-01288471850- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002753.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Beginner&quot; &quot;Medium&quot; &quot;Advanced&quot; and &quot;Expert&quot;
+</A><A NAME="2753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>George J. Walsh
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01288423176- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002743.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137
+</A><A NAME="2743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01288423176-01288467533- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002751.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137
+</A><A NAME="2751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01288427677- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002745.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01288441793- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002746.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions
+</A><A NAME="2746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01288452321- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002747.html">[Mageia-discuss] Development repositories?
+</A><A NAME="2747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01288452321-01288454024- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002748.html">[Mageia-discuss] Development repositories?
+</A><A NAME="2748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01288452321-01288454024-01288456188- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002750.html">[Mageia-discuss] Development repositories?
+</A><A NAME="2750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01288453435- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002756.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nightly builds
+</A><A NAME="2756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sat Oct 30 22:50:50 CEST 2010</i><br>
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