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+<PRE>Dj Marian a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> i&#180;ve got mdv lxde... i was just saying that it would be great to make
+</I>&gt;<i> the program guess what the user wants to find, save what the user
+</I>&gt;<i> usually uses, and by that pattern the next time the user searches
+</I>&gt;<i> would find what he would be most likely looking for. And just in case
+</I>&gt;<i> he is not satisfied, a button to show more or less results.
+</I>
+If you do an upgrade, it starts with all your existing applications.
+If you are doing a new install, of course you have to select the type of
+install, etc.
+What isn't clear is on what basis a program would guess what you would
+want ?
+It can't read your mind.
+If you do updates, only updates for packages already installed will be
+offered.
+According to your selections, the updates offered could be security,
+(other) correctives, (other) general updates, backports, or all updates.
+As well, whenever you select a package to install, by default all
+dependant packages not already installed will be selected for install.
+If for some reason the requested package or any of its dependancies is
+not available, the install will abort. Although this default could be
+changed, it is highly inadvisable.
+How would Rpmdrake know that you want it to &quot;guess&quot; what you are looking
+for, and how would that be any better than entering search text ?
+
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+ <B>andre999</B>
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+<PRE>Ben a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Perhaps the packagers and the backporters (assuming we have any)
+</I>&gt;<i> should have their own digest mailing list. The packagers are very
+</I>&gt;<i> busy but the backporters (community members with the basic knowledge
+</I>&gt;<i> to make an RPM from Cauldron) would be proud and happy to make sense
+</I>&gt;<i> of users package description suggestions and pass on a heads up to the
+</I>&gt;<i> packager if a good suggestion comes along. It would cut down on the
+</I>&gt;<i> noise that a true packager would have to wade through and, once a
+</I>&gt;<i> relationship is developed between a packager and a backporter,
+</I>&gt;<i> 'could' make the packagers job somewhat easier while at the same time
+</I>&gt;<i> (assuming that the backporters are good community members i.e. IRC,
+</I>&gt;<i> newbie and expert mailing list etc.) give users an easily accessible
+</I>&gt;<i> point of contact for regular users. I think users would appreciate
+</I>&gt;<i> this. Backporters would be glad to be a part of both the user and dev
+</I>&gt;<i> community and packagers would be able to participate in the community
+</I>&gt;<i> at the level they feel they are able to without feeling that they are
+</I>&gt;<i> stretched thin.
+</I>&gt;<i> While I'm on this subject. I think it might be a good idea to have
+</I>&gt;<i> assigned backporters for packages or groups of packages. Just a thought.
+</I>&gt;<i> benja22
+</I>
+A backporter is a packager who makes a backport. Making a backport
+could be more complex than making an ordinary package, since the
+packager would have to adjust the dependancies of a more recent package
+to match those available in a previous release. Otherwise installing
+the package could involve considerable other downloads.
+
+Of course it wouldn't be a bad idea, as you suggest, for less
+experienced packagers to focus on improving package descriptions.
+There has already been suggestions of having &quot;master&quot; (experienced) and
+&quot;apprentice&quot; (not-so-experienced) contributors for various functions,
+including packaging.
+This idea would fit well with that.
+
+As far as digests go, if you want to reply to something from a digest,
+it would be better to remove all parts not pertaining to your response,
+including the digest overhead.
+This makes it easier for others to follow your logic.
+(And if you plan to respond to a lot of posts, it might be better to
+subscribe to the usual individual post list.)
+
+- Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>Juergen Harms a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i> I did not want to &quot;steal&quot; your ideas - precisely the opposite: I tried
+</I>&gt;<i> to repeat some salient points which have come up several times - I was
+</I>&gt;<i> afraid that they might get lost in the wealth of input to this list :)
+</I>
+Appreciated.
+It's the ideas that count :)
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+ <B>Dj Marian</B>
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+<PRE>Hello,
+
+from former updates or package selections
+if you have mdv installed for one year and you only choose some packages
+keep a record of what is not selected (not wanted) on the system by the user
+based on these things it could guess you don&#180;t want everything to show up on
+your screen
+and i think some users might benefit if they would have less packages to choose
+from, the new users...
+when i first installed mdv (last year after i deleted mdv 2008 from my netbook)
+i needed some programs i looked for them in &#180;install and remove software&#180; and
+some were confusing me...
+
+so by keeping a large scale record of what users usually select, a default
+guessing can be forced on every user on fresh install (the buttons show more
+and/or show less would be good for someone who doesn&#180;t like the idea of being
+forced to accept something), after let&#180;s say 100 installed packages the user&#180;s
+selection profile can start to be clear
+if he only selects gui packages, it&#180;s clear he doesn&#180;t want other ones on the
+screen
+also if he has a profile on the mageia website, the profile could save the
+user&#180;s packages clicks online
+when he logs in, mageia could just download his former profile without asking
+(or maybe asking is good)
+also if the user suddenly is a better linux user and for another 100 clicks he
+selects all kinds of packages, the former 2000 clicks should have less influence
+on what appears on the screen, than the last 100 clicks
+
+while updating, maybe he never chooses and always updates everything... in this
+case a button &#180;install all updates&#180; as a tooltip near the clock instead of the
+mdv usual would be faster, painless, and appreciated by a new user who has no
+idea and doesn&#180;t care what would be best for him to update
+
+Dan.
+
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+ <B>St&#233;phane T&#233;letch&#233;a</B>
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+<PRE>2010/10/28 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> 2010/10/28 Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">kristoffer.grundstrom1983 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; In the installer you choose to install Swedish &amp; you'll get only
+</I>&gt;<i> locales-se
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; or -sv instead of both locales-en &amp; locales-se or -sv
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not commenting your suggestions but you will always want to have
+</I>&gt;<i> locales-en as fallback for messages and other stuff which is not
+</I>&gt;<i> translated to your language.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>If we are going for a live DVD edition (and I am strongly for this), then
+you will not have any problem, they all fit in one DVD... (I tested this
+option for a work-in-progress live edition of Mandriva dedicated to music).
+
+St&#233;phane
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+<PRE>&#22312; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 20:53:44 +0800, St&#233;phane T&#233;letch&#233;a
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">steletch at gmail.com</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+&gt;<i> If we are going for a live DVD edition (and I am strongly for this), then
+</I>&gt;<i> you will not have any problem, they all fit in one DVD... (I tested this
+</I>&gt;<i> option for a work-in-progress live edition of Mandriva dedicated to
+</I>&gt;<i> music).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> St&#233;phane
+</I>This one is already been replied: In some place in this world,
+
+some countries don't have enough bandwidth to support such big
+
+downloading data(May cause days...).
+
+A might perfect solution is that making custom images according
+
+to the need of downloader, but currently we don't seem to have such
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+<PRE>On Friday 29 October 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
+ from Kira &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">elegant.pegasus at gmail.com</A>&gt; who wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> This one is already been replied: In some place in this world, some
+</I>&gt;<i> countries don't have enough bandwidth to support such big downloading
+</I>&gt;<i> data(May cause days...).
+</I>&gt;<i> A might perfect solution is that making custom images according to the need
+</I>&gt;<i> of downloader, but currently we don't seem to have such plan.
+</I>
+Fot such a case, a CD .iso that does a minimal install (with all locales
+offered), and leave the big packages (OO, Gimp, all the games etc) to be
+downloaded at leisure later.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+--
+ The easiest thing of all is to deceive one's self;
+ for what a man wishes he generally believes to be true.
+ -- Demosthenes
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+&gt;<i> Fot such a case, a CD .iso that does a minimal install (with all locales
+</I>&gt;<i> offered), and leave the big packages (OO, Gimp, all the games etc) to be
+</I>&gt;<i> downloaded at leisure later.
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Ron.
+</I>Then they won't be able to demo too much things to other people and
+
+gain other's interest into Mageia. If the Live-CD version uses the same
+
+strategy as the Mandriva time, then I think there won't be such Live-CD
+version.
+
+The most close one is the mininal-dual arch CD, but that doesn't work as
+Live CD.
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+<PRE>Dj Marian a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> from former updates or package selections
+</I>&gt;<i> if you have mdv installed for one year and you only choose some packages
+</I>&gt;<i> keep a record of what is not selected (not wanted) on the system by
+</I>&gt;<i> the user
+</I>Urpmi (the console program used by the graphical Rpmdrake) already knows
+everything installed.
+&gt;<i> based on these things it could guess you don&#180;t want everything to show
+</I>&gt;<i> up on your screen
+</I>But currently, the user can still have the option to select other
+packages if they wish.
+&gt;<i> and i think some users might benefit if they would have less packages
+</I>&gt;<i> to choose from, the new users...
+</I>If using the default display by category, the user only has to go into
+categories of interest.
+Note that there have been numerous posts suggesting folding related
+packages into one line (expandable to see each individual package),
+which would greatly reduce the number of lines to choose from. This
+would be very advantageous for localisations, as few users want every
+language. Also useful for applications with many modules in separate
+packages, like Mozilla Firefox and OpenOffice.
+As I understand it, the default display is only GUI packages, which also
+reduces choices for the newer user.
+&gt;<i> when i first installed mdv (last year after i deleted mdv 2008 from my
+</I>&gt;<i> netbook) i needed some programs i looked for them in &#180;install and
+</I>&gt;<i> remove software&#180; and some were confusing me...
+</I>One problem is the descriptions, many of which definitely need
+improvement ...
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so by keeping a large scale record of what users usually select, a
+</I>&gt;<i> default guessing can be forced on every user on fresh install (the
+</I>&gt;<i> buttons show more and/or show less would be good for someone who
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn&#180;t like the idea of being forced to accept something), after
+</I>&gt;<i> let&#180;s say 100 installed packages the user&#180;s selection profile can
+</I>&gt;<i> start to be clear
+</I>&gt;<i> if he only selects gui packages, it&#180;s clear he doesn&#180;t want other ones
+</I>&gt;<i> on the screen
+</I>Only Gui packages is a option at top left. (It may be the default, but
+personally I would never restrict myself to that : many command-line
+packages have internal menus and are very user-friendly.)
+
+The problem is that if a user does a fresh install, the disk is normally
+reformatted, thus removing any history. Reformatting the disk is
+advisable to remove accumulated junk on the disk, as well as for
+stability. However this can be overridden.
+
+If the user wants to keep more or less the same packages, they can do an
+update to a new release rather than a fresh install.
+The currently installed packages are automatically replaced by newer
+versions.
+In some cases a newer version of a package is not available, sometimes
+replaced by an equivalent, which may entail a choice by the user during
+installation.
+In any case, virtually no selection by the user to get essentially the
+same configuration.
+
+&gt;<i> also if he has a profile on the mageia website, the profile could save
+</I>&gt;<i> the user&#180;s packages clicks online
+</I>&gt;<i> when he logs in, mageia could just download his former profile without
+</I>&gt;<i> asking (or maybe asking is good)
+</I>&gt;<i> also if the user suddenly is a better linux user and for another 100
+</I>&gt;<i> clicks he selects all kinds of packages, the former 2000 clicks should
+</I>&gt;<i> have less influence on what appears on the screen, than the last 100
+</I>&gt;<i> clicks
+</I>This all sounds a little complicated.
+1) There is a security risk in storing the user's configuration online,
+and also a question of privacy, so the user should always be asked.
+2) Inexperienced users have a tendancy to accept everything, so the
+default should be no.
+Thus the users most likely to benefit are the least likely to use this
+service.
+3) There is the problem of identifying the user, in order to retrieve
+the information.
+If an email adresse is used, the user must remember to use the same adresse.
+But it also increases the risk to security.
+If the user must log in to a profile, they must remember the identity
+and password. Again more challenging to a newer user.
+
+Another possibility is to create a special file on disk, which could be
+recuperated during a fresh install, if the user is using the same computer.
+
+However it seems to me that improving the interface of Rpmdrake is a
+better approach.
+Exactly what changes is still under active discussion; there have been
+many posts on this subject.
+There has also been much discussion on using groups focused by usage to
+simplify selection on installation, which could conceivably be
+introduced to Rpmdrake as well.
+
+&gt;<i> while updating, maybe he never chooses and always updates
+</I>&gt;<i> everything... in this case a button &#180;install all updates&#180;
+</I>To do this :
+1) Select &quot;all updates&quot;, top left.
+2) Press button &quot;Select all&quot;, bottom left.
+3) Press button &quot;Apply&quot;, botton near right.
+But maybe adding a single button is a good idea.
+Although this could be problematic for bandwidth limited users, so some
+way of deselecting some updates must remain an option.
+
+By the way, in no way am I trying to discourage your input. Experienced
+users/programmers like myself tend to overlook many details which are
+daunting to newer users.
+So your input is essential to a more usable product.
+
+&gt;<i> as a tooltip near the clock instead of the mdv usual would be faster,
+</I>&gt;<i> painless, and appreciated by a new user who has no idea and doesn&#180;t
+</I>&gt;<i> care what would be best for him to update
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Dan.
+</I>
+- Andr&#233;
+
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+<PRE>From: Dj Marian &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">djmarian4u at yahoo.com</A>&gt;
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+To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+Sent: Thu, 28 October, 2010 10:08:50
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] what aabout an automated way of doing it?
+
+
+i&#180;ve got mdv lxde... i was just saying that it would be great to make the
+program guess what the user wants to find, save what the user usually uses, and
+by that pattern the next time the user searches would find what he would be most
+likely looking for. And just in case he is not satisfied, a button to show more
+or less results.
+
+Hi,
+
+This make me think of an idea: save user habits (application used and so on) on
+his Mageia account, so the next time you install a new version you'll have the
+possibility to have it on your way in one click.
+Indeed that would be great (I'll spear all the time to customize a new install).
+
+Best regards,
+Florin Catalin RUSSEN
+Romanian Translation Team
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+From: andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Sent: Fri, 29 October, 2010 4:12:49
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] what aabout an automated way of doing it?
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+It can't read your mind.
+
+- Andr&#233;
+
+---------------------------------------------------
+Hi Andr&#233;,
+
+You cannot read the mind of an user, but you can install an agent (small app)
+that register his habits, his installed, applications, his desktop parameters in
+a central account and reproduce them on a new install, ie. from version Mageia
+2011 to Mageia 2012 :)
+
+I've installed yesterday the jolicloud 1.0 Linux distro and I saw something
+similar and I liked it.
+
+Best regards,
+Florin Catalin RUSSEN
+Romanian Translation Team
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+So instead of guessing, or saving on the internet maybe a quick question at the
+beginning of the install asking &#180;How do you rate your experience with linux?&#180;
+beginner medium advanced expert... new ones should get a small list to choose
+programs from (tested and easy to use soft)... and some easy way to find what
+isn&#180;t in the small list
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+Dan.
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+<PRE>On vendredi 29 octobre 2010 at 16:50, Catalin Florin RUSSEN wrote :
+&gt;<i> You cannot read the mind of an user, but you can install an agent (small
+</I>&gt;<i> app) that register his habits, his installed, applications, his desktop
+</I>&gt;<i> parameters in a central account and reproduce them on a new install, ie.
+</I>&gt;<i> from version Mageia 2011 to Mageia 2012 :)
+</I>
+Desktop and other applications configuration are stored in the user's home
+directory, so if you have a separate /home partition (which mandriva does by
+default, I guess mageia will too), even if you re-install you won't lose
+your configuration.
+But it is much easier to upgrade instead of doing a fresh install, that will
+keep all your installed programs (except for conflicts) and your system
+configuration.
+
+As a personal note, I don't like the idea of a daemon that would register
+what I do with my computer.
+
+--
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+</I>&gt;<i> &#22312; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:47:26 +0800, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Fot such a case, a CD .iso that does a minimal install (with all locales
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> offered), and leave the big packages (OO, Gimp, all the games etc) to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> downloaded at leisure later.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ron.
+</I>&gt;<i> Then they won't be able to demo too much things to other people and
+</I>&gt;<i> gain other's interest into Mageia. If the Live-CD version uses the same
+</I>&gt;<i> strategy as the Mandriva time, then I think there won't be such
+</I>&gt;<i> Live-CD version.
+</I>&gt;<i> The most close one is the mininal-dual arch CD, but that doesn't work
+</I>&gt;<i> as Live CD.
+</I>
+It would be useful to have more regional CD ISOs, with fewer
+localisations, to save a lot of space.
+In the past, my boot/operating system partition had very limited space.
+By removing unused localisations - not counting separate localisation
+packages, which weren't installed - I was able to save some 15% of
+installed space on this partition. (Note that my Home directory and all
+personnal files were on other partitions.)
+
+I think that OpenOffice (or LibreOffice or Go-OO variants) is important
+to include.
+By minimizing the localisations, of which each has its own package in
+Openoffice (or the variants), a lot of space would be freed.
+Excluding Gimp, which is huge, is not a bad idea, as many would not be
+editing photos, and it could be always downloaded separately.
+As for games, there are many small games - it's just excluding the
+larger games that would save much space.
+
+By the way, a CD ISO can be written to a DVD. The advantage is faster
+and more reliable writing (initially) and faster reading. As well, a
+somewhat larger size is not a problem for a DVD.
+Of course it helps to have access to a DVD writer, and at least a reader
+capable of reading a DVD on the computer of the install.
+
+Note that presently Mandriva has a limited choise of ISOs :
+1) Live installable &quot;one&quot; CDs - which start very slowly, and if
+installed, don't give a choice of what to install (at least in the past).
+These give a choice of KDE or Gnome desktops, and localisations by (very
+large) regions.
+Which of course could be installed on a DVD for greater speed.
+
+2) A installable non-live &quot;dual&quot; 32-bit/64-bit CD, for a minimal
+installation.
+
+3) 2 installable non-live DVDs, one 32-bit, the other 64-bit, for a full
+installation.
+
+So presently (since at least a year or two) there are no ISOs focused on
+users who wish make complete installations from CDs, instead of using a
+DVD, or downloading a lot of applications individually via Internet.
+
+In other words, nothing focused on bandwidth-restricted users.
+Unless, of course, they get the DVD (or CD) without downloading it
+themselves.
+Which brings to mind the idea of shipping or otherwise distributing
+ready-written DVDs and live CDs. And why not a live DVD ?
+
+my 2 cents :)
+
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+<PRE>2010/10/29 andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> In other words, nothing focused on bandwidth-restricted users.
+</I>&gt;<i> Unless, of course, they get the DVD (or CD) without downloading it
+</I>&gt;<i> themselves.
+</I>&gt;<i> Which brings to mind the idea of shipping or otherwise distributing
+</I>&gt;<i> ready-written DVDs and live CDs. &#160;And why not a live DVD ?
+</I>
+That's what the communities have been doing all the time. Example: the
+German community has an offer for such people to ask for a dvd,
+somebody will burn the dvd and send it to him via snail mail and he
+will pay (voluntarily) 5 Euros as donation to the community. As I
+learned, a similar offer is on in other communites as well. No problem
+to continue this way, /me thinks.
+
+--
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+<PRE>Dj Marian a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So instead of guessing, or saving on the internet maybe a quick
+</I>&gt;<i> question at the beginning of the install asking &#180;How do you rate your
+</I>&gt;<i> experience with linux?&#180; beginner medium advanced expert... new ones
+</I>&gt;<i> should get a small list to choose programs from (tested and easy to
+</I>&gt;<i> use soft)... and some easy way to find what isn&#180;t in the small list
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Dan.
+</I>
+Interesting idea.
+This idea nicely complements something in a lot of posts - having groups
+available to select during installation, instead of or as well as
+detailed selection by package.
+Suggested groups have included young family, home office, education
+(preschool/primary/secondary/post-secondary), small business, gamer,
+developer, and many others that I can't think of for the moment.
+These groups would be overlapping, as applications like Firefox and
+OpenOffice (or one of the variants, Go-oo or LibreOffice) would probably
+be in several groups.
+
+Now during installation there are only Server and Internet user groups,
+if I remember correctly.
+
+I like the 4 levels - a lot better than only beginner/expert.
+And the small list for new users.
+And much easier to implement than guessing.
+Another advantage being that those helping (on forums, etc) would be
+able to know what exactly the user is seeing.
+Definitely worth considering. :)
+
+- Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>Renaud MICHEL a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On vendredi 29 octobre 2010 at 16:50, Catalin Florin RUSSEN wrote :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You cannot read the mind of an user, but you can install an agent (small
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> app) that register his habits, his installed, applications, his desktop
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> parameters in a central account and reproduce them on a new install, ie.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from version Mageia 2011 to Mageia 2012 :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Desktop and other applications configuration are stored in the user's home
+</I>&gt;<i> directory, so if you have a separate /home partition (which mandriva does by
+</I>&gt;<i> default, I guess mageia will too), even if you re-install you won't lose
+</I>&gt;<i> your configuration.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yes indeed. I should have thought of that, as I have always used a
+separate /home partition.
+So that makes the idea workable, without any security risks associated
+with a remote server.
+For the first release, at least, Mageia will be generally following
+Mandriva defaults.
+And upgrades will be possible from Mandriva to Mageia.
+
+&gt;<i> But it is much easier to upgrade instead of doing a fresh install, that will
+</I>&gt;<i> keep all your installed programs (except for conflicts) and your system
+</I>&gt;<i> configuration.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Exactly. Also much faster.
+But there are times where a clean install is advisable.
+
+&gt;<i> As a personal note, I don't like the idea of a daemon that would register
+</I>&gt;<i> what I do with my computer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Neither do I. Security and privacy risks.
+
+- Andr&#233;
+
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+
+<LI><A HREF="002729.html">[Mageia-discuss] what aabout an automated way of doing it?
+</A><A NAME="2729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002731.html">[Mageia-discuss] what aabout an automated way of doing it?
+</A><A NAME="2731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002735.html">[Mageia-discuss] what aabout an automated way of doing it?
+</A><A NAME="2735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Fri Oct 29 21:56:39 CEST 2010</i><br>
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+ <h1>29 October 2010 Archives by thread</h1>
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Oct 29 04:12:49 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Oct 29 21:56:39 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 17<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01288318369- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002719.html">[Mageia-discuss] what aabout an automated way of doing it?
+</A><A NAME="2719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01288318369-01288363843- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002729.html">[Mageia-discuss] what aabout an automated way of doing it?
+</A><A NAME="2729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01288318369-01288363843-01288369043- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002731.html">[Mageia-discuss] what aabout an automated way of doing it?
+</A><A NAME="2731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01288318369-01288363843-01288369043-01288382199- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002735.html">[Mageia-discuss] what aabout an automated way of doing it?
+</A><A NAME="2735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01288320697- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002720.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 119 Package descriptions
+</A><A NAME="2720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01288320954- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002721.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions
+</A><A NAME="2721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01288348215- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002722.html">[Mageia-discuss] guessing
+</A><A NAME="2722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dj Marian
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01288348215-01288362191- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002727.html">[Mageia-discuss] guessing
+</A><A NAME="2727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01288356824- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002723.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>St&#233;phane T&#233;letch&#233;a
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01288356824-01288357951- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002724.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01288356824-01288357951-01288360046- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002725.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01288356824-01288357951-01288360046-01288360478- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002726.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01288356824-01288357951-01288360046-01288360478-01288376284- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002732.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01288356824-01288357951-01288360046-01288360478-01288376284-01288380958- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002733.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO
+</A><A NAME="2733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01288363569- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002728.html">[Mageia-discuss] what aabout an automated way of doing it?
+</A><A NAME="2728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01288367058- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002730.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137
+</A><A NAME="2730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dj Marian
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01288367058-01288381346- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002734.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137
+</A><A NAME="2734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Fri Oct 29 21:56:39 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri Oct 29 21:56:48 CEST 2010</i>
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