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In +</I>><i> >>>some cases I noticed my normal driver not working (reason unknown), so +</I>><i> >>>in case GNOME is sometimes slow, check if it isn't rendering using +</I>><i> >>>llvmpipe. +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>On my system, running mga2, unblacklisting llvmpipe (so as to use +</I>><i> >>regular gnome3, instead of classic/fallback mode) makes all display +</I>><i> >>in regular gnome3 run extremely slow. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This includes the virtual console, or scrolling in gedit, neither of +</I>><i> which has any need for accelerated display. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> >>It must be that llvmpipe is used for all display, even when +</I>><i> >>acceleration isn't indicated. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> >Hmm, that is not good. I'll test for a few days, otherwise I'll revert. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> >What is reported in System Settings → Details under Graphics? llvmpipe +</I>><i> >or something else? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It says +</I>><i> "Carte graphique Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x300)" +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Strangely enough, I have now uninstalled llvmpipe and am running +</I>><i> gnome3 in fallback/classic mode. +</I>><i> But it said the same thing before uninstalling. +</I>><i> I guess that the message is only set/reset under regular gnome. +</I>><i> I don't think classic mode was slow with llvmpipe installed, but +</I>><i> uninstalled it since llvmpipe was in the libllvm-devel package +</I>><i> (version 3.0 on mga2), which is huge (1 G in size). +</I>><i> The equivalent package on fedora is apparently llvm-devel. +</I>><i> (I uninstalled it to leave more space on /.) +</I> +So it seems to be using llvmpipe eventhough better methods are +available. That is not what is supposed to be done :-( + +I'll check, otherwise I'll revert for now. + +><i> > +</I>><i> >>BTW, regular gnome3 might well be called "tablet mode". A lot of +</I>><i> >>extensions have been developped to revert to a display more like +</I>><i> >>gnome2. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> >I am not using a tablet and suggest you first try it on a tablet. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> My wife has a tablet-like android computer. The default regular +</I>><i> gnome3 has the same appearance (and awkwardness to quickly access +</I>><i> applications). +</I>><i> Sorry, but don't have access to a tablet powerful enough to run gnome3. +</I>><i> I looked at a number of extensions, and it was surprising how many +</I>><i> were oriented to bringing back a more gnome2-like (and/or less +</I>><i> tablet-like) appearance. +</I> +Judging based on appearance is not enough. One example: On a tablet +computer you rely completely on the on screen keyboard. The on screen +keyboard in GNOME 3 cannot be relied upon. A really reliable on screen +keyboard would be great for accessibility reasons... + +Now if you really use a touch interface, you'll indeed have the same +thing with GNOME 3 as with e.g. Android. But with either a mouse of a +keyboard I don't see any difficulties. Obviously it works differently, +but I have an Android phone and use GNOME 3 and the experience is not +the same. There is more to it than showing applications as icons in a +grid. + +><i> So there are already solutions for most of the appearance problems. +</I>><i> (And if necessary, I'll modify some to regain a convenient +</I>><i> environment.) +</I> +GNOME 3 allows for way more customizations than ever before. + +><i> I'm surprised at the performance problems of llvmpipe. Although my +</I>><i> cpu is 32-bit and 64-bit is recommended, it does have the +</I>><i> recommended sse2 function. +</I>><i> See <A HREF="http://www.mesa3d.org/llvmpipe.html">http://www.mesa3d.org/llvmpipe.html</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> (It has taken me ages to get gnome3 -- classic -- in a usable state. +</I>><i> Next to regain access to svn.) +</I> +I tried it under Fedora and it was not slow. Currently we're long away +from a stable release so IMO it is the right time for some testing, but +it should at least not use llvmpipe when something better is available. + +-- +Regards, +Olav +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="019256.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME llvmpipe rendering in gnome-session-3.6.0-2.mga3 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="019271.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME llvmpipe rendering in gnome-session-3.6.0-2.mga3 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#19266">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#19266">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#19266">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#19266">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |