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+ <B>Christian Lohmaier</B>
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+<PRE>Hi Dimitrios, *,
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+On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> I interpreted Guillaume's approach as about the impact that can have Mageia's decisions in a
+</I>&gt;<i> system and the respect of the user and his system as a priority, but it was finally interpreted
+</I>&gt;<i> as he wants something for his personal use or he does nt care about a security issue, for the
+</I>&gt;<i> same reason. &#160;At least, is what i got.
+</I>
+Well - that is what he said:
+&quot;Don't push security updates to users by replacing package A by package B.&quot;
+Or: &quot;I don't care that other people will continue using software with
+security flaws, since I know what I am doing.&quot;
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+And I strongly oppose to this attitude/point of view. Not limited to
+Java, but in general. When a package *cannot* be updated and thus
+there will never be a security fix (and not just a delay of a couple
+of days/weeks), then the only sane thing for a distro is to replace
+the package by something equivalent. In the case of Java it is just so
+much easier, as there already exists a package that virtually does the
+very same thing.
+
+He wants to keep java for a special need, so that &quot;I don't want this
+package A to be removed&quot; is his own personal use. I'm sure that &gt;98%
+of the users will not be amused when you tell them after a year or two
+that they have been running a version of java that has a big security
+flaw for all that time, just because one didn't want to obsolete the
+package.
+
+Of course &quot;obsoletes&quot; shall not be taken lightly. But i the case for
+Java, the rationale that oracle gives for no longer having the
+distributor's license is that OpenJDK and Oracle's java are now very
+close, that they are no longer separate things, but that Oracle's Java
+just builds on top of OpenJDK.
+
+For people just in need for &quot;java&quot; there will hardly be any
+difference. People with a special need for specific versions of java
+can still download and install java from Oracle's site.
+
+It is not a case where installing OpenJDK would make using Oracle's
+java impossible/that you have to install OpenJDK in the first place.
+
+ciao
+Christian
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