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+ <B>Florian Hubold</B>
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+<PRE>Am 29.03.2012 22:23, schrieb Maarten Vanraes:
+&gt;<i> Op donderdag 29 maart 2012 21:08:22 schreef David Walser:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Guillaume Rousse &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at ...</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If I want to keep a proprietary JRE on my computers, because I trust it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> more to run crap proprietary applications (also called
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> corporate-compliants), than marvelous free-licensed environment they
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> have never been tested with, that is my choice, not yours.
+</I>So you say that you really want to keep an outdated
+package with many security holes, which even the
+infamous Zeus bot is said to exploit?
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+Sure, that's your choice and you're free to do this,
+but we can't keep our users susceptible to such
+problems.
+&gt;&gt;<i> If they really want to keep Sun Java, shouldn't they just download the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installer from Sun and install it themselves, rather than using some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> obsolete Mageia 1 package of it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> well, iinm the version that the people have, will still have the correct
+</I>&gt;<i> license and we are able to distribute it fine.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i would argue that if security bugs we could remove it, but i'm not too sure
+</I>&gt;<i> on this point... i mean, can we really remove it from them? otoh, people
+</I>&gt;<i> wanting to have the proprietary ones, likely know what they are doing...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> perhaps we can obsolete it with one of those nonfree getters? (if security
+</I>&gt;<i> bug)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> or, maybe a package that gives an README.urpmi ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO: i think obsoleting it is fine, but with a README.urpmi that says notifies
+</I>&gt;<i> that it's been obsoleted.
+</I>That was the proposal, and that's what Ubuntu has done,
+IIRC, they blanked the existing packages and notified
+people, that they should either use OpenJDK or manually
+get Java from Oracle.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (unless someone wants to have and maintain a nonfree getter application that
+</I>&gt;<i> fetches the upstream releases)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> we really shouldn't keep stuff we can't maintain...
+</I>&gt;<i>
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