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+ <B>Anssi Hannula</B>
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+<PRE>15.03.2012 22:51, Guillaume Rousse kirjoitti:
+&gt;<i> Le 08/03/2012 16:47, Guillaume Rousse a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 08/03/2012 16:13, Pascal Terjan a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 14:57, Romain d'Alverny&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 15:02, Guillaume
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Rousse&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 08/03/2012 14:38, Pascal Terjan a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And for /var/www/html
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This should really be a server-neutral thing (with a better name for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the user, like www-data) but I never took the time to do it :(
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What is needed exactly by various web servers ? I really doubt
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> anything else
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> as apache requires apache configuration file. And if it is just a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /var/www/html directory, there is no use to have a dependency for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> something
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> any sysadmin is able to create himself.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It helps when it works out of the box. A user may not be aware, at
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> first, that a /var/www/html has to be created + an index.html file put
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in it, to see its Web server work. It's a good default behaviour
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> confirming the install succeeded and that the server works, it saves a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> few seconds to everyone trying/doing it first.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Now, maybe each web server package should check if this /var/www/html
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> directory exists and create it if needed (or have /var/www/apache,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /var/www/lighttpd, etc.)? Or should that be better handled by a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> separate unique package?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would prefer a package providing a web user and a default webroot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Else we can have such shared user created in each of the packages...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It would be annoying to have to chown the writable directories when
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> switching between servers.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Fine with me.
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, some days ago I pushed a 'webserver-base' package, with the
+</I>&gt;<i> following elements:
+</I>&gt;<i> - /var/www and /var/www/html directories
+</I>&gt;<i> - 'apache' user
+</I>&gt;<i> - index.html page
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've been curious, however, at the exact amount of shared elements our
+</I>&gt;<i> various webservers packages currently use. And actually, only two
+</I>&gt;<i> (apache and lighttpd) do share user and document root, the two others
+</I>&gt;<i> (nginx and cherookee) being totally independant.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In Fedora, they are all independant.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I'd rather revert the change, and make lighttpd autonomous also.
+</I>&gt;<i> Unless someone can convince me there is an advantage having lighttpd
+</I>&gt;<i> executing as 'apache' :)
+</I>
+The web applications policy has files being owned by 'apache' user, and
+I don't see how that could work if lighttpd used a different user:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Web_applications_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Web_applications_policy</A>
+
+--
+Anssi Hannula
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