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Given the very high fragility of the gnome environment +</I>><i> >> nowadays, using old-days tools to workaround those various issues is +</I>><i> >> frequently useful. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Different from Guillaume I do care about the impact for the user. +</I>><i> > There are many out there who are used to startx and also docs and +</I>><i> > howtos which use it. Therefore we will need an explanation for +</I>><i> > switching off startx. An explanation to be used in forums, which is a +</I>><i> > bit more than just a link to a bug report. In other words: to be +</I>><i> > understood by non-techie users. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> To answer Guillaume's question, I wasn't personally planning on removing +</I>><i> it fully. Just documenting that it is broken and that users should not +</I>><i> use this as a mechanism for starting X. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I would propose just putting in "echo 'startx is deprecated. Here is +</I>><i> why..... Press any key to continue anyway.' >&2; read -n 1" in the +</I>><i> startx script such that users using it will be warned. Does this seem +</I>><i> sensible? +</I> +Having to press this every time will drive me nuts. If you are going to do it, +please also use an optional environment variable to trigger it off. + +In any case, as an active user of startx, I do not appreciate the fact that +it will get deprecated. I don't like to start X automatically on startup +because that causes problem if there is problem with the X environment in +general, or with the graphics' driver etc. I tried starting up kdm from the +command line but could only start it as root, and it returned to the login +screen after I exited X (which is expected, but undesirable), and could only +be killed by root. + +Luckily for me (and for Mageia) I am a programmer and can write the required +code to make startx play nice with the rest of systemd again. I'll read the URL +of the bug and see what is needed and hopefully with some guidance from the +people on Freenode, will make it work. If anyone wants to help, I'm "rindolf" +there and I'm also reachable by other forms of IM and by other means: + +<A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/me/contact-me/">http://www.shlomifish.org/me/contact-me/</A> + +Regards, + + Shlomi Fish (who is frustrated at the amount of problems the transition + to systemd has caused). + +-- +----------------------------------------------------------------- +Shlomi Fish <A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/">http://www.shlomifish.org/</A> +Free (Creative Commons) Music Downloads, Reviews and more - <A HREF="http://jamendo.com/">http://jamendo.com/</A> + +I hope that you agree with me that 99.9218485921% of the users wouldn’t bother +themselves with recompilation (or any other manual step for that matter) to +make their games run 1.27127529900685765% faster ;-) — Nadav Har’El + +Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - <A HREF="http://shlom.in/reply">http://shlom.in/reply</A> . +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="012744.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating startx +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="012748.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating startx +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#12747">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#12747">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#12747">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#12747">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |