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I wasn't pointing out something you missed or anything. Sorry +for the confusion (the opposite of what I had intended!) + +>><i> so these folders are purely for users doing this manually. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes. And that's why we provide /usr/local/share/applications? +</I> +Hmm, that seems a bit silly to me. Why do we provide that? I'd say we +should drop it unless someone can argue otherwise (maybe it's part of +the filesystem layout spec?) + +>><i> I would expect that the "make install" stage of any extension +</I>>><i> installation would automatically create those folders anyway, so I +</I>>><i> really don't see the benefit of adding these empty folders into a +</I>>><i> package. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, why would 'make isntall' of rt, which has been configured to itself live +</I>><i> in a system location, explicitly create these directories? +</I> +Because it's broken? Just because the upstream folks do something like +that does not mean they are correct. I'd say that if any app's make +install is writing things outside of their --prefix (with a few +exceptions for things like udev rules etc. that need to live in /lib - +but thankfully with the work done by Fedora folks even this exception is +dying away) or --sysconfdir etc. then it's broken. + +>><i> The gain in doing so seems minimal to the point of useless. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I can remove the dirs in the package, but also, what is the benefit? On a +</I>><i> system dedicated to running a request tracking system, should we explicitly +</I>><i> make it more difficult to run said system that it would be if installed from +</I>><i> source? +</I> +I really don't buy the "make it more difficult" argument... that's what +I was trying to highlight in my previous mail. The "make install" stage +of any extension should make the dirs for you anyway... If that's the +case it is precisely the same difficulty as without those dirs. If +manual copying is required, then, yes, it is a tiny amount more +complicated, but people will be following instructions anyway and if the +added "complication" of a mkdir command or two will trip someone up, +then I don't think that person should have root powers and able to write +in /usr/local in the first place if this is their level of skill!!! + + +Like I say, this is just my opinion, and I certainly don't feel super +strongly on the topic. It's just that I wouldn't expect any rpm to own +anything in /usr/local tree (and that goes for the one you pointed out +above too!). + +Col + + + + +-- + +Colin Guthrie +colin(at)mageia.org +<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A> + +Day Job: + Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A> +Open Source: + Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A> + PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A> + Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="011280.html">[Mageia-dev] Over-zealous rpmlint policy (rejecting rt) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="011299.html">[Mageia-dev] Over-zealous rpmlint policy (rejecting rt) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#11281">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#11281">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#11281">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#11281">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |