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+ <H1>[Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . .</H1>
+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . .">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com
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+ <I>Fri Jan 6 16:13:49 CET 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On 6 January 2012 15:53, LinuxBSDos.com &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">finid at linuxbsdos.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> This is a well known issue.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To clear out the list you need a deep knowledge of the system to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> determine which packages are really not needed anymore.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Lately &#160;this --auto-orphans line shreddered my whole system on a fresh
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> install after the first update, several system services could not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> start at next reboot, applications did not run, etc. One of the very
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> few times I had to re-install because of a bug. Call me newbie or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pussy but until this is not a secure function I will never touch it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Btw, this problem is not unique to Mageia. After I hosed a Debian
+</I>&gt;<i> installation by running apt with auto-orphans, I vowed never to mess with
+</I>&gt;<i> orphans again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The system has to be intelligent enough to know what is or is not an orphan.
+</I>
+It is.
+orphan packages are packages that were never directly requested/installed;
+they're packages that got installed because they were requested or suggested
+by other packages that were explicitely choosed.
+Then if you remove the package you explicitely choose, urpmi sees that the
+packages that were requested by this one are no more required by anything
+and since you never explicitely requested them, it offer to remove them.
+
+You can explicitely request them by running &quot;urpmi &lt;package&gt;&quot; and it'll never
+be in the orphan list anymore after.
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