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+ <B>Robert Fox</B>
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+<PRE>On Fri, 2012-01-06 at 12:27 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2012/1/6 Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; After latest Cauldron updates, I got a real long list of suggested
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;orphans&quot; - but I believe some of these packages are needed (like hal or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; basesystem-minimal) -
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; How do I clear out the orphans - like reset the logic behind it so the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; correct packages will be orphaned? Or is a fresh install in order??
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The following packages:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; aisleriot-3.3.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; alacarte-0.13.2-3.mga1.noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; alsa-plugins-doc-1.0.24-5.mga2.noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is a well known issue.
+</I>&gt;<i> To clear out the list you need a deep knowledge of the system to
+</I>&gt;<i> determine which packages are really not needed anymore.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Lately this --auto-orphans line shreddered my whole system on a fresh
+</I>&gt;<i> install after the first update, several system services could not
+</I>&gt;<i> start at next reboot, applications did not run, etc. One of the very
+</I>&gt;<i> few times I had to re-install because of a bug. Call me newbie or
+</I>&gt;<i> pussy but until this is not a secure function I will never touch it
+</I>&gt;<i> again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Wolfgang, I would never call you a pussy ;-)
+
+I agree with your comments, and that is the reason I brought this topic
+to this list - the &quot;auto-orphans&quot; feature is sometimes unreliable (or
+unpredictable) and Mageia should consider either removing it or
+improving it so it works as advertised. I too had sporadic problems
+with this function and hesitate to use it when it spits out such a list
+(where I am not sure what is &quot;safe to remove or not)
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+Cheers,
+Robert
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