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+<PRE>On Wed, 12 Jan 2011, Michael Scherer wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 12 janvier 2011 &#224; 11:24 -0500, Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Farfouille wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hi
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I have published a first draft of Java application package policy. <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=java_applications_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=java_applications_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Corrections and comments are welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The bit about pre-packaged JARs may cause trouble. In theory, it's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; great, but many applications depend upon certain versions of their
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; utility JARs, and can't all run with the latest versions. Any such app
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; would have a Requires for its specific version, which would prevent the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; utility JAR from being updated with a newer version for other apps.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is why EJB allows EJB apps to include their own specific versions
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of utility JARs, which are visible to them but not to other apps or the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; container itself, and also why Maven uses versioned artifacts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's the same issue for everything.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shipping binary jar given by upstream tarball cause trouble because you
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) cannot patch them in case of bug
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) cannot see how and what was compiled
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's not very free software friendly, and I think we should refuse
+</I>&gt;<i> that.
+</I>
+I've already seen while trying to package java apps, a jar being shipped,
+but sources not available anywhere on the internet, except after
+searching for a few hours on an old website on archive.org with broken
+link to the sources zip, and developers not aware of the issue, because
+they never tried to find the sources, and always used this binary .jar
+they found on a random web site.
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+<PRE>I've been trying to solve the deps to make urpmi passing the build-sytem.
+
+Looks like we are now only missing rpmtools (<A HREF="http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/soft/rpm/rpmtools/trunk/">http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/soft/rpm/rpmtools/trunk/</A>)
+
+It requires
+
+BuildRequires: perl-MDV-Packdrakeng
+BuildRequires: perl-MDV-Distribconf
+
+What do we do with such packages ? The MDV thing is surely a problem.
+
+I'm not that aware of the policy for this particular packages.
+
+What's your opinions on it ?
+
+Erwan,
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+<PRE>On Wed, 12 Jan 2011, Frank Griffin wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Farfouille wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have published a first draft of Java application package policy. <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=java_applications_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=java_applications_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Corrections and comments are welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The bit about pre-packaged JARs may cause trouble. In theory, it's
+</I>&gt;<i> great, but many applications depend upon certain versions of their
+</I>&gt;<i> utility JARs, and can't all run with the latest versions. Any such app
+</I>
+Then those applications should be fixed. That's the same with C libraries
+or other languages. When a program is not working with a newer version
+of its libraries, it is fixed, instead of keeping both the new and old
+libraries installed.
+
+Unless we want to keep 10 versions of each library, each with their owns
+bugs and security issues.
+
+Only when it is really necessary, multiple versions should be kept.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maven POMs allow the packager to specify required other objects
+</I>&gt;<i> (&quot;artifacts&quot;) not only for building the package but for execution as
+</I>&gt;<i> well. There are central Maven repositories which contain versioned
+</I>&gt;<i> artifacts for commonly-used projects, e.g. JUnit, and many companies
+</I>&gt;<i> have site-wide repositories of their own. Finally, every user of Maven
+</I>&gt;<i> has a personal repository located in $HOME/.m2, which is why the policy
+</I>&gt;<i> has code for creating this directory.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Repositories are seached for needed artifacts from the most local (the
+</I>&gt;<i> user's personal repository) to the most remote (the central Maven
+</I>&gt;<i> repositories) as directed by a settings.xml file in the user's .m2
+</I>&gt;<i> directory or &lt;repositories&gt; tags in the individual pom.xml files. The
+</I>&gt;<i> general intent is to obtain artifacts from the &quot;closest&quot; repository.
+</I>&gt;<i> Company repositories are not just the central location for
+</I>&gt;<i> company-specific artifacts, but also a local cache for central Maven
+</I>&gt;<i> repository artifacts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;From the policy, it looks like the personal repository for the ID under
+</I>&gt;<i> which RPM builds the package is wiped clean for every package, and thus
+</I>&gt;<i> every needed artifact will be downloaded from the remote repositories
+</I>&gt;<i> for every build. If that's the case, it's an awful waste of bandwidth,
+</I>&gt;<i> since many of these artifacts are used for every Maven project.
+</I>
+Nothing should be downloaded from remote maven repositories during RPM
+builds. All dependencies should be installed from rpm packages only.
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+<PRE>On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:05:49AM +0100, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+&gt;<i>On 19 January 2011 10:24, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think he's saying that if you do this:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;Name: foo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then you can subsequently use %name elsewhere in the spec and all will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be well.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But if you use:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;Version: 1.0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then you cannot use %version elsewhere in the spec.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So defining it manually is the best way to do it so it can be used
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> elsewhere.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However, I could not replicate that here on my pre-RPM5 cooker box.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Using the version with the tag and using %version worked just fine. So I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> think I have misinterpreted too :s
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Indeed since I've used &quot;Version: 1.0&quot; for 12 years...
+</I>
+take at lvm2 srpm
+and try to use %version anywhere in the spec,
+you will be surprised by the result.
+
+btw i believe Name to be buggy as well, but there is no use in having
+two &quot;Name:&quot; tags in a single spec, so it will never surface.
+
+L.
+
+--
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+&gt;<i> I've been trying to solve the deps to make urpmi passing the build-sytem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Looks like we are now only missing rpmtools (<A HREF="http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/soft/rpm/rpmtools/trunk/">http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/soft/rpm/rpmtools/trunk/</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It requires
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BuildRequires: &#160;perl-MDV-Packdrakeng
+</I>&gt;<i> BuildRequires: &#160;perl-MDV-Distribconf
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do we do with such packages ? The MDV thing is surely a problem.
+</I>
+I disagree
+
+&gt;<i> I'm not that aware of the policy for this particular packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What's your opinions on it ?
+</I>
+It's not a problem.
+It's the program name and we won't change program names just because
+they're owned by other people
+Else we would have to rename anything named:
+- &quot;*linux*&quot; (&quot;linux&quot; is owned by a foundation)
+- &quot;*firefox*&quot; (&quot;firefox&quot; is owned by the mozilla foundation)
+- ...
+
+Even rpm was originally &quot;Redhat Package Manager&quot;
+
+Last but not least, &quot;MDV&quot; isn't a trademark...
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+<PRE>On 21 January 2011 00:01, nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Shipping binary jar given by upstream tarball cause trouble because you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1) cannot patch them in case of bug
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2) cannot see how and what was compiled
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's not very free software friendly, and I think we should refuse
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've already seen while trying to package java apps, a jar being shipped,
+</I>&gt;<i> but sources not available anywhere on the internet, except after
+</I>&gt;<i> searching for a few hours on an old website on archive.org with broken
+</I>&gt;<i> link to the sources zip, and developers not aware of the issue, because
+</I>&gt;<i> they never tried to find the sources, and always used this binary .jar
+</I>&gt;<i> they found on a random web site.
+</I>
+And they never though about security...
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+&gt;<i> PS: just pray not to fall into the jquelin massive submits :D
+</I>
+sorry, i throttled a bit more between my packages.
+in fact, my throttling is ok except when people submit big packages! :-)
+
+i guess this'll be mitigated when:
+a) more build nodes will be added to bs
+b) bs will be updated to allow priorities, queue per submitter, etc.
+(and i want a pony too)
+
+j&#233;r&#244;me
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+&gt;<i> I've been trying to solve the deps to make urpmi passing the build-sytem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Looks like we are now only missing rpmtools (<A HREF="http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/soft/rpm/rpmtools/trunk/">http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/soft/rpm/rpmtools/trunk/</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It requires
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BuildRequires: perl-MDV-Packdrakeng
+</I>&gt;<i> BuildRequires: perl-MDV-Distribconf
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do we do with such packages ? The MDV thing is surely a problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not that aware of the policy for this particular packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What's your opinions on it ?
+</I>same as 4 days ago :
+
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110117/002188.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110117/002188.html</A>
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+--
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+</I>&gt;<i> Nothing should be downloaded from remote maven repositories during RPM
+</I>&gt;<i> builds. All dependencies should be installed from rpm packages only.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>So you propose that we package every version of every maven plugin and
+dependency as RPMs and basically reinvent the entire Maven artifact
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+
+It's not a question of &quot;use the most current or fix it&quot;. POMs allow the
+author to specify the version of the artifact, and it doesn't matter
+whether it would work with a later version or not, because Maven will be
+no more tolerant of a version mismatch than RPM would be. It simply
+won't build unless you rewrite the POM, in which case you can kiss
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+if any one have a clue to solve my build problem
+the build is ok on my mdv with bm, but not on the mageia bs :(
+
+see :
+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20110121084807.philippem.valstar.23877/log/botcmd.1295599743.jonund.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20110121084807.philippem.valstar.23877/log/botcmd.1295599743.jonund.log</A>
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 01:19:29AM +0100, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le dimanche 16 janvier 2011 00:07:56, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi all!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Should we have a %mdkversion (and %mdkver/%mdvver) that is hardcoded to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 201100 for the time being, or should we not have one at all?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Not having it will cause any src.rpms that have any
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;%if %mdkversion &lt; x&quot; to fail to build.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm strongly in favor of having it for compatibility reasons, so that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> most MDV src.rpms keep building on Mageia for the time being, including
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> those provided by any 3rd party packagers.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Not having the macro will cause us to lose that compatibility for very
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> little benefit, IMO. It could maybe be removed after several releases,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but not before.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> However, it seems blino disagreed with this, and he thinks we should not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> have these macros at all.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What do other people think?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If not having those macros means we can't compile mdv SRPMS on mageia, then
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'd prefer we keep it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> then keep them forever ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Because for one, mdkversion should have disappeared when the suffix was changed,
+</I>&gt;<i> something like 5 years ago. And the fact we still rely on it is not a good sign.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> More ever, even on Mandriva, most of them do not make much sense. Most of the software
+</I>&gt;<i> are not backported ( as the usage of the macros is mainly for stuff replaced
+</I>&gt;<i> by filetrigger ), and they are never cleaned.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On the file trigger side, we have most of the macros going back to 2009.0, where we
+</I>&gt;<i> can't backport anything on the BS. And 2010.0 for the trigger for web application, and
+</I>&gt;<i> I do not think we backport them usually ( as people barely see the value of packaging
+</I>&gt;<i> them... ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I think we will not have much problem, except this force us to do more cleaning.
+</I>&gt;<i> Cleaning that obviously didn't happened before, as we are needing to do it now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So drop it, have more generic macros, and smarter policy.
+</I>
+The problem is not backports IMO, it is building 3rdparty src.rpm or old
+src.rpm on Mageia (i.e. forward-porting), which won't work if we do not
+have %mdkversion.
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+The problem comes from two parts:
+1. Since python 2.7.1 (especial in Mandriva), python-config will
+export the same LDFLAGS as how python was built. Which enforce every
+binary python module be linked with -lpython, so that it might be
+easier when migrate to python 3.
+2. The &quot;-lm&quot; switch is actually a linker library, it is of no use if
+be passed as cflags, see here:
+<A HREF="http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/asneeded.xml">http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/asneeded.xml</A>
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+2011/1/21 philippe makowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">makowski.mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> if any one have a clue to solve my build problem
+</I>&gt;<i> the build is ok on my mdv with bm, but not on the mageia bs :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> see :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20110121084807.philippem.valstar.23877/log/botcmd.1295599743.jonund.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20110121084807.philippem.valstar.23877/log/botcmd.1295599743.jonund.log</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> thanks
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> if any one have a clue to solve my build problem
+</I>
+In the command line, -lm has to be *after* the file that needs it, like
+the other -lfoo entries are on the below log.
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+&gt;<i> the build is ok on my mdv with bm, but not on the mageia bs :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> see :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20110121084807.philippem.valstar.23877/log/botcmd.1295599743.jonund.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20110121084807.philippem.valstar.23877/log/botcmd.1295599743.jonund.log</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> thanks
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+&gt;<i> I've committed a patch at mandriva's svn. You could grab it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>thanks
+I will also remove Requires: python-egenix-mx-base from the Mdv package too
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+ <B>J&#233;r&#244;me H&#233;nin</B>
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+&gt;<i> On 11/01/20 21:33 +0100, Erwan Velu wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; PS: just pray not to fall into the jquelin massive submits :D
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> sorry, i throttled a bit more between my packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> in fact, my throttling is ok except when people submit big packages! :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i guess this'll be mitigated when:
+</I>&gt;<i> a) more build nodes will be added to bs
+</I>
+Well, we do have a limited rack space at lost oasis so we cannot
+add much server for the moment, and for now, I think we are planning
+others stuff with potential server ( and as people will ask it, no, we still do not
+plan to let people run a buildnode if the sysadmin team is not the only group
+of people to access to it as admin for security reason ).
+
+&gt;<i> b) bs will be updated to allow priorities, queue per submitter, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i> (and i want a pony too)
+</I>
+We do not have it ( except the pony ), but how should we be distribute build
+in a fair fashion ? I fear that having this would lead to some frustration ( while
+first in, first out is IMHO easy to understand and quite fair most of the time ).
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+&gt;<i> On 21 January 2011 00:01, nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Shipping binary jar given by upstream tarball cause trouble because you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 1) cannot patch them in case of bug
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2) cannot see how and what was compiled
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; That's not very free software friendly, and I think we should refuse
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; that.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I've already seen while trying to package java apps, a jar being shipped,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; but sources not available anywhere on the internet, except after
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; searching for a few hours on an old website on archive.org with broken
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; link to the sources zip, and developers not aware of the issue, because
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; they never tried to find the sources, and always used this binary .jar
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; they found on a random web site.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And they never though about security...
+</I>
+Security is not a problem , it is java, no null pointer exception /o\.
+
+But that's not only security, there is simply bugs that happen, and API
+problem ( that IMHO happens more often than security issue ).
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+&gt;<i> &gt; i guess this'll be mitigated when:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; a) more build nodes will be added to bs
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, we do have a limited rack space at lost oasis so we cannot
+</I>&gt;<i> add much server for the moment, and for now, I think we are planning
+</I>&gt;<i> others stuff with potential server ( and as people will ask it, no, we still do not
+</I>&gt;<i> plan to let people run a buildnode if the sysadmin team is not the only group
+</I>&gt;<i> of people to access to it as admin for security reason ).
+</I>
+uh? you mean mageia will run with 1 bs node of each type, and that's it?
+
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; b) bs will be updated to allow priorities, queue per submitter, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (and i want a pony too)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We do not have it ( except the pony ), but how should we be distribute build
+</I>&gt;<i> in a fair fashion ? I fear that having this would lead to some frustration ( while
+</I>&gt;<i> first in, first out is IMHO easy to understand and quite fair most of the time ).
+</I>
+i don't know. st&#233;phane t&#233;l&#233;tchea wrote on cooker@ about a scheduler he's
+using in his job with lots of fancy features. i guess he'll be able to
+describe them in more details, and why we would want them.
+
+
+note to packagers: it's now very easy to throttle in an adaptive way
+(thanks to pascal terjean). just add the following before submitting a
+package:
+
+ sleep $( HEAD <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/</A> | perl -nE '/X-BS-Throttle: (\d+)/ &amp;&amp; print $1' )
+
+j&#233;r&#244;me
+--
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+&gt;&gt;<i> And they never though about security...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Security is not a problem , it is java, no null pointer exception /o\.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But that's not only security, there is simply bugs that happen, and API
+</I>&gt;<i> problem ( that IMHO happens more often than security issue ).
+</I>
+I've too often see java apps becoming very unstable once they got a
+null pointer exception until one restarts tomcat/jboss/whatever...
+
+More seriously when I was speaking about &quot;though about security&quot;,
+I meant people should got shot (twice) if they are OK with
+downloading a binary from some random site w/o any checks...
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:59:52AM +0100, Jerome Quelin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 11/01/20 21:33 +0100, Erwan Velu wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; PS: just pray not to fall into the jquelin massive submits :D
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sorry, i throttled a bit more between my packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in fact, my throttling is ok except when people submit big packages! :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i guess this'll be mitigated when:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a) more build nodes will be added to bs
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, we do have a limited rack space at lost oasis so we cannot
+</I>&gt;<i> add much server for the moment, and for now, I think we are planning
+</I>&gt;<i> others stuff with potential server ( and as people will ask it, no, we still do not
+</I>&gt;<i> plan to let people run a buildnode if the sysadmin team is not the only group
+</I>&gt;<i> of people to access to it as admin for security reason ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> b) bs will be updated to allow priorities, queue per submitter, etc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (and i want a pony too)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We do not have it &#160;( except the pony ), but how should we be distribute build
+</I>&gt;<i> in a fair fashion ? I fear that having this would lead to some frustration ( while
+</I>&gt;<i> first &#160;in, first out is IMHO easy to understand and quite fair most of the time ).
+</I>
+No frustration if the submitter can request low priority himself. For
+massive rebuild, you can then submit everything but other people (or
+your own other packages) don't have to wait.
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+<PRE>On 21 January 2011 16:15, Jerome Quelin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jquelin at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> note to packagers: it's now very easy to throttle in an adaptive way
+</I>&gt;<i> (thanks to pascal terjean). just add the following before submitting a
+</I>&gt;<i> package:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;sleep $( HEAD <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/</A> | perl -nE '/X-BS-Throttle: (\d+)/ &amp;&amp; print $1' )
+</I>
+WOW!
+
+I'd use &quot;HEAD <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/</A> | fgrep X-BS-Throttle | cut
+-d: -f 2&quot; instead
+(less I/O thanks to not loading perl?)
+
+Too sad nobody did that back at mdv in the old days
+
+Hurra Pascal!
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+ <B>Jerome Quelin</B>
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+<PRE>On 11/01/21 18:17 +0100, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 21 January 2011 16:15, Jerome Quelin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jquelin at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; note to packagers: it's now very easy to throttle in an adaptive way
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (thanks to pascal terjean). just add the following before submitting a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; package:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160;sleep $( HEAD <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/</A> | perl -nE '/X-BS-Throttle: (\d+)/ &amp;&amp; print $1' )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WOW!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd use &quot;HEAD <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/</A> | fgrep X-BS-Throttle | cut
+</I>&gt;<i> -d: -f 2&quot; instead
+</I>&gt;<i> (less I/O thanks to not loading perl?)
+</I>
+since i'm not loading any modules, i'm not sure.
+
+demonstration:
+$ strace cut 2&gt;&amp;1 | grep open|wc -l
+11
+$ strace fgrep 2&gt;&amp;1 | grep open|wc -l
+12
+$ strace perl -e42 2&gt;&amp;1 | grep open|wc -l
+22
+
+so, your solution opens 1 more file, and forks 1 more process: i'd say perl wins.
+
+
+but for such small workloads, i'd say it's even. especially since it's dwarfed
+by the internet access! :-)
+
+(aren't we nerds discussing such topics?)
+
+
+&gt;<i> Too sad nobody did that back at mdv in the old days
+</I>&gt;<i> Hurra Pascal!
+</I>
+definitely. that's awesome: everybody is now treated the same way
+provided we follow this rule...
+
+
+j&#233;r&#244;me
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+ <B>Remy CLOUARD</B>
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+<PRE>On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 08:58:25PM +0100, Remy CLOUARD wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 01:49:30AM +0100, Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le vendredi 07 janvier 2011 &#224; 23:45 +0100, Remy CLOUARD a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; You can find the page here:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Policies/Ruby">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Policies/Ruby</A>
+</I>I imported the policy in the wiki, it&#8217;s available here:
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=ruby_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=ruby_policy</A>
+
+I removed some undecided stuff, added some recommendations for
+%prep/%build/%install/%check sections, and fixed the sample spec from
+some errors.
+
+Thanks for reviewing that page.
+&gt;<i> &gt; This cause problem since we do have rpm present twice ( without people
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; noticing, as I dicovered when trying to use gitorious ). More ever, this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is confusing for packagers. There is also potential breakage if someone
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; start to do tarball, then gems, etc etc.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have already expressed my opinion on the subject, and still maintain
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ruby rpm should be ruby-*.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, so I assume ruby rpm should be packaged as a gem or as a regular
+</I>&gt;<i> package, but not both (sounds sensible anyway)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now, I&#8217;ve made an erb template to match what we discussed up till now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can see the result here
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Ruby_packaging_policy#Samples">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Ruby_packaging_policy#Samples</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A few comments about this spec:
+</I>&gt;<i> - devel package is generated to pull the development dependencies, maybe
+</I>&gt;<i> it could be created also whenever there are additional files that are
+</I>&gt;<i> not in the require_paths node of the YAML specification.
+</I>After trying that out, I must say I&#8217;m not really satisfied with that. It
+would be better if we could find a way to do the check at build time. It
+also brings some complexity to the spec :/
+
+Regards,
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+ <B>philippe makowski</B>
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+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Jan 21 23:26:46 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 24<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002278.html">[Mageia-dev] Java-Policy first draft published
+</A><A NAME="2278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002279.html">[Mageia-dev] On the road to build urpmi
+</A><A NAME="2279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwan Velu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002280.html">[Mageia-dev] Java-Policy first draft published
+</A><A NAME="2280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002281.html">[Mageia-dev] Importing RPM Spec File Syntax
+</A><A NAME="2281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Berra
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002282.html">[Mageia-dev] On the road to build urpmi
+</A><A NAME="2282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002283.html">[Mageia-dev] Java-Policy first draft published
+</A><A NAME="2283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002284.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="2284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002285.html">[Mageia-dev] On the road to build urpmi
+</A><A NAME="2285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002286.html">[Mageia-dev] Java-Policy first draft published
+</A><A NAME="2286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002287.html">[Mageia-dev] undefined reference to `pow' even with -lm
+</A><A NAME="2287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002288.html">[Mageia-dev] Compatibility: %mdkversion macro?
+</A><A NAME="2288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002289.html">[Mageia-dev] undefined reference to `pow' even with -lm
+</A><A NAME="2289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002290.html">[Mageia-dev] undefined reference to `pow' even with -lm
+</A><A NAME="2290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002291.html">[Mageia-dev] undefined reference to `pow' even with -lm
+</A><A NAME="2291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002292.html">[Mageia-dev] Character encoding issue in Mageia identity manager?
+</A><A NAME="2292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J&#233;r&#244;me H&#233;nin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002293.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="2293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002294.html">[Mageia-dev] Java-Policy first draft published
+</A><A NAME="2294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002295.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="2295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002296.html">[Mageia-dev] Java-Policy first draft published
+</A><A NAME="2296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002297.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="2297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002298.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="2298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002299.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="2299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002300.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Ruby packaging policy
+</A><A NAME="2300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002301.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="2301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Fri Jan 21 23:26:46 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri Jan 21 23:26:50 CET 2011</i>
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+ <h1>21 January 2011 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
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+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
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+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Jan 21 00:01:02 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Jan 21 23:26:46 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 24<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002300.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Ruby packaging policy
+</A><A NAME="2300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002292.html">[Mageia-dev] Character encoding issue in Mageia identity manager?
+</A><A NAME="2292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J&#233;r&#244;me H&#233;nin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002288.html">[Mageia-dev] Compatibility: %mdkversion macro?
+</A><A NAME="2288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002281.html">[Mageia-dev] Importing RPM Spec File Syntax
+</A><A NAME="2281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Berra
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002278.html">[Mageia-dev] Java-Policy first draft published
+</A><A NAME="2278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002280.html">[Mageia-dev] Java-Policy first draft published
+</A><A NAME="2280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002283.html">[Mageia-dev] Java-Policy first draft published
+</A><A NAME="2283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002286.html">[Mageia-dev] Java-Policy first draft published
+</A><A NAME="2286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002294.html">[Mageia-dev] Java-Policy first draft published
+</A><A NAME="2294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002296.html">[Mageia-dev] Java-Policy first draft published
+</A><A NAME="2296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002279.html">[Mageia-dev] On the road to build urpmi
+</A><A NAME="2279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwan Velu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002282.html">[Mageia-dev] On the road to build urpmi
+</A><A NAME="2282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002285.html">[Mageia-dev] On the road to build urpmi
+</A><A NAME="2285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002284.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="2284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002293.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="2293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002295.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="2295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002297.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="2297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002298.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="2298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002299.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="2299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002301.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="2301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002287.html">[Mageia-dev] undefined reference to `pow' even with -lm
+</A><A NAME="2287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002289.html">[Mageia-dev] undefined reference to `pow' even with -lm
+</A><A NAME="2289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002290.html">[Mageia-dev] undefined reference to `pow' even with -lm
+</A><A NAME="2290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002291.html">[Mageia-dev] undefined reference to `pow' even with -lm
+</A><A NAME="2291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Fri Jan 21 23:26:46 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri Jan 21 23:26:50 CET 2011</i>
+ <p>
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
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+ <h1>21 January 2011 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
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+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
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+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Jan 21 00:01:02 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Jan 21 23:26:46 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 24<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01295564462- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002278.html">[Mageia-dev] Java-Policy first draft published
+</A><A NAME="2278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01295564462-01295600781- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002283.html">[Mageia-dev] Java-Policy first draft published
+</A><A NAME="2283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01295564462-01295600781-01295622879- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002294.html">[Mageia-dev] Java-Policy first draft published
+</A><A NAME="2294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01295564462-01295600781-01295622879-01295624848- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002296.html">[Mageia-dev] Java-Policy first draft published
+</A><A NAME="2296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01295565102- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002279.html">[Mageia-dev] On the road to build urpmi
+</A><A NAME="2279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwan Velu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01295565102-01295600693- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002282.html">[Mageia-dev] On the road to build urpmi
+</A><A NAME="2282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01295565102-01295615132- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002285.html">[Mageia-dev] On the road to build urpmi
+</A><A NAME="2285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01295572480- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002280.html">[Mageia-dev] Java-Policy first draft published
+</A><A NAME="2280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01295572480-01295616146- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002286.html">[Mageia-dev] Java-Policy first draft published
+</A><A NAME="2286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01295593153- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002281.html">[Mageia-dev] Importing RPM Spec File Syntax
+</A><A NAME="2281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Berra
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01295603992- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002284.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="2284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01295603992-01295622194- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002293.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="2293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01295603992-01295622194-01295622959- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002295.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="2295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01295603992-01295622194-01295622959-01295630236- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002298.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="2298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01295603992-01295622194-01295622959-01295630236-01295632136- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002299.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="2299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01295603992-01295622194-01295625361- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002297.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="2297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01295616735- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002287.html">[Mageia-dev] undefined reference to `pow' even with -lm
+</A><A NAME="2287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01295616735-01295617708- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002289.html">[Mageia-dev] undefined reference to `pow' even with -lm
+</A><A NAME="2289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01295616735-01295617708-01295618255- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002291.html">[Mageia-dev] undefined reference to `pow' even with -lm
+</A><A NAME="2291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01295616735-01295617790- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002290.html">[Mageia-dev] undefined reference to `pow' even with -lm
+</A><A NAME="2290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01295617537- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002288.html">[Mageia-dev] Compatibility: %mdkversion macro?
+</A><A NAME="2288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01295618887- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002292.html">[Mageia-dev] Character encoding issue in Mageia identity manager?
+</A><A NAME="2292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J&#233;r&#244;me H&#233;nin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01295641719- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002300.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Ruby packaging policy
+</A><A NAME="2300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01295648806- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002301.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="2301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Fri Jan 21 23:26:46 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri Jan 21 23:26:50 CET 2011</i>
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