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+ <B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 29 septembre 2011 21:10:42, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 29 septembre 2011 20:55:43, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Am 29.09.2011 14:13, schrieb Olav Vitters:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:24:56AM +0200, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; backports_testing, but it means that we would lose the current
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; checking that updates come from the 1/updates branch)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Long term I prefer more checks because I do make mistakes. But maybe
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; lax as a temporary (&quot;a few weeks&quot;) solution until it uses the SQL
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; database?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Well, is it really that necessary for a matter of some weeks to speed up
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; backports opening? Shouldn't we care first that sustainability of Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is ensured first?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It's not like backports candidates will lessen workload on QA, rather the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; opposite. That's my personal opinion.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some genuine user needs can only be covered by backports per our policy, I
+</I>&gt;<i> don't see why we should wait more (already 4 months since the release of
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia 1). QA team already said it's ready to test backports, and if we
+</I>&gt;<i> have difficulty we simply will find means to get more testers. Also,
+</I>&gt;<i> updates will still remain the priority.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Opening backports media does not mean that we will start backporting
+</I>&gt;<i> everything. But a policy has been chosen, after a loooooooooong debate, and
+</I>&gt;<i> there seems to be a simple way to open those media to package submitting.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, the sooner we have backports, the less there will be external third-
+</I>&gt;<i> party repos with all the problems (upgrade, support) that causes. There
+</I>&gt;<i> already are, don't let them too much space and rather invite their
+</I>&gt;<i> packagers to backport *inside* (as long as they stay within the policy of
+</I>&gt;<i> course).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> About Mageia's sustainability, we already are working to that (QA team is
+</I>&gt;<i> operational, package adoption campaign is undergoing...), and having
+</I>&gt;<i> backports media won't prevent us from continuing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, the &quot;few weeks&quot; is a really vague estimation, my guess is it risks to
+</I>&gt;<i> be rather months because sysadmins seem to have a big TODO list a little
+</I>&gt;<i> resources. That's why I'm proposing 2 &quot;technically simple&quot; ways to move
+</I>&gt;<i> forward.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+If needed, the tremendous amount of packages in Blogdrake's 3rd party media
+shows how much backports are needed by users, whatever we as packagers can
+think of it.
+
+I'm still convinced that opening backports right now, using one of my 2
+proposals (if I haven't overlooked a technical difficulty), would be an
+important step forward for us.
+
+Best regards
+
+Samuel
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