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+ <B>Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Repository%20question%3A%20where%20do%20we%20put%0A%09non-free%2Btainted%20RPMs%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201107121204.16371.ewilcox%40bex.net%3E"
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:16:24 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put
+</I>&gt;<i> non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</I>Message-ID:
+ &lt;CA+h4nj6KtYu8vUFcZ4mWUO08J5ZyxB5XnN2bsSLoqm8R7w6E=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">w at mail.gmail.com</A>&gt;
+&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011/7/12 andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Wolfgang Bornath a ?crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2011/7/9 andre999&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Wolfgang Bornath a ?crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 2011/7/8 Thorsten van Lil&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Am 08.07.2011 10:42, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 2011/7/8 James Kerr&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jim at jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; This thread has strayed far from the original question, &gt; which
+</I>could
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; re-stated as:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Should tainted free software and tainted nonfree software be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; commingled
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; in a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; single tainted repository?
+</I>
+...
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Besides, tainted is not only about patents, it's also about software
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; which is illegal in certain countries (like libdvdcss).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ok, a relatively limited application.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So in all, maybe a handful of packages at most should be in tainted.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So why do we have more than 150 ?
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Sorry, but I do not understand your way of thinking. If a law exists
+</I>&gt;<i> it exists. It does not matter to a law whether it is likely to be
+</I>&gt;<i> enforced. Period.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is not paranoia, it is a matter of mind set. If robbery would not
+</I>&gt;<i> be prosecuted, would you go out and earn your doe by taking away
+</I>&gt;<i> handbags from old ladies? You would not, because it is wrong. For
+</I>&gt;<i> those who are living in countries where patents are valid and accepted
+</I>&gt;<i> by the law, using a patented software is wrong. So you must accept
+</I>&gt;<i> that there are people who would not do it. Telling them how they
+</I>&gt;<i> should think about it is not ours. That's why we have the tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> repo.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>
++1
+
+I live in the USA, and while I do not personally support the concept of
+software pantents, I also do not want to violate them as long as they are
+leagally recognized where I live.
+
+For me, this is not a matter of risk, but one of ethics, morality, and
+respect. IMHO, the fact that my Countries Society recognizes patents as being
+legally binding makes it my responsibility to honor them, so I want to know if
+a software package may be affected by one or more patent(s) before I install it
+on my computer. If I know that (for example) package foo is affected by a
+patent, I can search for the patent holder, and make contact to request
+permission to ust the software, then abide with their response. This way, I
+fulfill my obligation to ask permission before using software that is (or may
+be) affected by some one elses property. I would no more use patented software
+without permission here in the USA than I would take my neighbor's lawnmower
+to cut my grass without his permission.
+
+I understand that the following may not be practicable, but I would like all
+software that is affected by a patent (and perhaps other licensing or copyright
+restrictions) to be placed in a &quot;restricted&quot; (tainted) repository. Also I
+would like to see patent (or contact) information in the software package's
+description to help facilitate my ability to ask permission to use the
+software. By doing these things, Mageia is doing more to support my ability to
+live by my personal convictions than to support patent law.
+
+Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.
+Registered Linux User 247790
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