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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001775.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001775.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..af7cc0331 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001775.html @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] maintainers database + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20maintainers%20database&In-Reply-To=%3C4D0BFE8A.4030502%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001776.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] maintainers database</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20maintainers%20database&In-Reply-To=%3C4D0BFE8A.4030502%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] maintainers database">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Dec 18 01:21:30 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001776.html">[Mageia-dev] Choosing packagers representatives +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1775">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1775">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1775">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1775">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Romain d'Alverny a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 23:41, Maarten Vanraes +</I>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> imo, it could be used into mageia-app-db, allthough the purposes are a bit +</I>>><i> different. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So it should be a separate component. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> however, if we plan on using ldap to store the maintainership (it would be +</I>>><i> more like groups for each package and people being member of it...), then +</I>>><i> perhaps it should be in catdap. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm not sure this should be put into the LDAP, but I may be wrong. The +</I>><i> data model is likely to change often enough (even if not a lot) and +</I>><i> queries are likely to be frequent enought, to justify a separate, +</I>><i> simple db/app for that. But here again, I may not have all the infos. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> however, we will have need of this soon; and it should also take into account +</I>>><i> co-maintainers... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's the group thing, yes (be it explicit or implicit). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Romain +</I> +Why not have a field for primary/secondary maintainer ? +By default, the first maintainer would be primary, subsequent +maintainers secondary. +This field being changable as desired. +That way, there is total flexability to have whatever mix of +primary/secondary maintainers the group of packagers for a particular +package wishes. + +I suspect that it would be better to have a separate database for this +than mageia-app-db, to avoid contamination of errors, etc. +By keeping it separate, the packagers would have total control to +maintain the list according to what is actually packaged by Mageia. +Note that mageia-app-db will probably be listing 3rd party packages, not +carried by mageia. +In any case, it would be better to have a separate table for packager info. + +my 2 cents :) + +André +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001776.html">[Mageia-dev] Choosing packagers representatives +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1775">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1775">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1775">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1775">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001776.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001776.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b1b553900 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001776.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Choosing packagers representatives + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Choosing%20packagers%20representatives&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimpow%3Dm_czqRDcNy%3D13F9q8JmPwJTaMgLkY3DfW%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001775.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001777.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Choosing packagers representatives</H1> + <B>Leandro Dorileo</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Choosing%20packagers%20representatives&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimpow%3Dm_czqRDcNy%3D13F9q8JmPwJTaMgLkY3DfW%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Choosing packagers representatives">ldorileo at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Dec 18 06:27:14 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001775.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainers database +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001777.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1776">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1776">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1776">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1776">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi + +On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Anne nicolas <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> Hi there +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As mentionner here, <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org,">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org,</A> we need to +</I>><i> vote for 2 representatives for packagers team: one representative for +</I>><i> Mageia council and one to help this guy and manage team in daily +</I>><i> tasks. You can have a look on packagers meeting logs about how we +</I>><i> should choose them. Common criteria are: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - experience in packaging +</I>><i> - willing to *manage* team +</I>><i> - start with these 2 guys until first release is done (as done in i18n team) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Feel free to comment here and propose/candidate for it. +</I> +I would love to donate my spare time to packaging team, people are +wanting to see linked-in profile to help their voting decision so I +can link mine here[1]. I`ve not been a mandriva packager but have done +some rpm packages and contributed to some other distributions, if you +do feel I can be the one to be your representative so drop your vote. + +I`ll be on vacation next 2 weeks but will try to be online whenever I +get the chance. + +[1] - <A HREF="http://br.linkedin.com/in/leandrodorileo">http://br.linkedin.com/in/leandrodorileo</A> + +Regards.... + +-- +Leandro Dorileo +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001775.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainers database +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001777.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1776">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1776">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1776">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1776">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001777.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001777.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2a1d35cf3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001777.html @@ -0,0 +1,67 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3C1292652283.31038.1.camel%40athene%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001776.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001778.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks</H1> + <B>herman</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3C1292652283.31038.1.camel%40athene%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks">herman at aeronetworks.ca + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Dec 18 07:04:43 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001776.html">[Mageia-dev] Choosing packagers representatives +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001778.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1777">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1777">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1777">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1777">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 15:30 -0700, Frank Kober wrote: +><i> I'm here for sure. Doing subtasks was one of the ideas coming in from several linuxmao.org members. This idea got rejected from the mdv people with the argument that there are already too many task metapackages. It was difficult to get a common opinion on it by the musicians anyway, but finally the most useful division would be a bit in the sense of the current task-sound-studio, i.e. use cases: Audio recording, Audio synthesis and composing, live tools (loopers, etc..), sounds (soundfonts in particular which are large data files), video?. +</I>><i> But you will see that it is not so easy to make coherent and useful subsets. Another example would be the ubuntu studio grouping. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I think there should be just a clear separation of music consumer tasks and music creation tasks, and already the latter includes some of the first one... +</I>IMHO the most important thing is to make a basic package that works. +The user can then add other things they like. As things are, it is very +difficult for an ordinary mortal to make a working sound system by +installing individual packages. + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001776.html">[Mageia-dev] Choosing packagers representatives +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001778.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1777">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1777">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1777">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1777">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001778.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001778.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5e6611842 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001778.html @@ -0,0 +1,99 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinD6ObM4hw9LWZ_eu8pZkvfrtSG1%2BZ3DQK5k1aG%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001777.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001780.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks</H1> + <B>Daniel Kreuter</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinD6ObM4hw9LWZ_eu8pZkvfrtSG1%2BZ3DQK5k1aG%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Dec 18 07:08:50 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001777.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001780.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1778">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1778">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1778">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1778">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 7:04 AM, herman <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">herman at aeronetworks.ca</A>> wrote: + +><i> +</I>><i> On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 15:30 -0700, Frank Kober wrote: +</I>><i> > I'm here for sure. Doing subtasks was one of the ideas coming in from +</I>><i> several linuxmao.org members. This idea got rejected from the mdv people +</I>><i> with the argument that there are already too many task metapackages. It was +</I>><i> difficult to get a common opinion on it by the musicians anyway, but finally +</I>><i> the most useful division would be a bit in the sense of the current +</I>><i> task-sound-studio, i.e. use cases: Audio recording, Audio synthesis and +</I>><i> composing, live tools (loopers, etc..), sounds (soundfonts in particular +</I>><i> which are large data files), video?. +</I>><i> > But you will see that it is not so easy to make coherent and useful +</I>><i> subsets. Another example would be the ubuntu studio grouping. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I think there should be just a clear separation of music consumer tasks +</I>><i> and music creation tasks, and already the latter includes some of the first +</I>><i> one... +</I>><i> IMHO the most important thing is to make a basic package that works. +</I>><i> The user can then add other things they like. As things are, it is very +</I>><i> difficult for an ordinary mortal to make a working sound system by +</I>><i> installing individual packages. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>The basic music tasks such as soundserver (pulse or alsa), music/video +player should already be in the main distribution included like we know +already from existing distributions. +What I would like is a task-package which includes everything needed for a +working multimedia computer such like mpd for music streaming, and something +similar for video streaming over a network. + +And maybe we can also make a similar task for the creators out there? + +-- +Mit freundlichen Grüßen + +Greetings + +Daniel Kreuter +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20101218/49fedb5f/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001777.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001780.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1778">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1778">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1778">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1778">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001779.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001779.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f027a5e52 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001779.html @@ -0,0 +1,104 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] maintainers database + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20maintainers%20database&In-Reply-To=%3C201012180933.33869.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001799.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001782.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] maintainers database</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20maintainers%20database&In-Reply-To=%3C201012180933.33869.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] maintainers database">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Dec 18 09:33:33 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001799.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001782.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainers database +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1779">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1779">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1779">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1779">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op vrijdag 17 december 2010 23:55:39 schreef Romain d'Alverny: +><i> On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 23:41, Maarten Vanraes +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > imo, it could be used into mageia-app-db, allthough the purposes are a +</I>><i> > bit different. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So it should be a separate component. +</I> +mageia-app-db does related stuff; but afaik, it only does read operations + +><i> > however, if we plan on using ldap to store the maintainership (it would +</I>><i> > be more like groups for each package and people being member of it...), +</I>><i> > then perhaps it should be in catdap. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm not sure this should be put into the LDAP, but I may be wrong. The +</I>><i> data model is likely to change often enough (even if not a lot) and +</I>><i> queries are likely to be frequent enought, to justify a separate, +</I>><i> simple db/app for that. But here again, I may not have all the infos. +</I> +well, i don't know; in effect; IMHO the model is no more than a groupname with +members in it and possibly an extra attribute that defines the primary member. + +if the groupname is equal to the package name; and if they are in a separate +base; then this could easily be used for limiting if that is desired later on. +AFAIK the contents changes and how it's used, but not the model itself. + +if we will use ldap as backend, then we should use catdap; if we do something +else; we should have another app. + +><i> > however, we will have need of this soon; and it should also take into +</I>><i> > account co-maintainers... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's the group thing, yes (be it explicit or implicit). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Romain +</I></PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001799.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001782.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainers database +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1779">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1779">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1779">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1779">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001780.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001780.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..05d02b365 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001780.html @@ -0,0 +1,116 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik%3DphC3m9YyBJYpzubTVnMCzjW%3Dj0ozJ4r_6ZDC%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001778.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001781.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks</H1> + <B>SaschaS</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik%3DphC3m9YyBJYpzubTVnMCzjW%3Dj0ozJ4r_6ZDC%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks">ungleichklang at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Dec 18 10:03:36 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001778.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001781.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1780">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1780">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1780">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1780">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>So I see basically that we need a guidline on how mageia deals with Spinoffs +first. + +If all task are in the repos, I can understand those who say that there are +to many task. +If the spinoffs are handled as separate projects, we could provide a cusom +.iso and different sound-tasks, that people download from the spinoff page. +The a + +2010/12/18 Daniel Kreuter <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>> + +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 7:04 AM, herman <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">herman at aeronetworks.ca</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 15:30 -0700, Frank Kober wrote: +</I>>><i> > I'm here for sure. Doing subtasks was one of the ideas coming in from +</I>>><i> several linuxmao.org members. This idea got rejected from the mdv people +</I>>><i> with the argument that there are already too many task metapackages. It was +</I>>><i> difficult to get a common opinion on it by the musicians anyway, but finally +</I>>><i> the most useful division would be a bit in the sense of the current +</I>>><i> task-sound-studio, i.e. use cases: Audio recording, Audio synthesis and +</I>>><i> composing, live tools (loopers, etc..), sounds (soundfonts in particular +</I>>><i> which are large data files), video?. +</I>>><i> > But you will see that it is not so easy to make coherent and useful +</I>>><i> subsets. Another example would be the ubuntu studio grouping. +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > I think there should be just a clear separation of music consumer tasks +</I>>><i> and music creation tasks, and already the latter includes some of the first +</I>>><i> one... +</I>>><i> IMHO the most important thing is to make a basic package that works. +</I>>><i> The user can then add other things they like. As things are, it is very +</I>>><i> difficult for an ordinary mortal to make a working sound system by +</I>>><i> installing individual packages. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> The basic music tasks such as soundserver (pulse or alsa), music/video +</I>><i> player should already be in the main distribution included like we know +</I>><i> already from existing distributions. +</I>><i> What I would like is a task-package which includes everything needed for a +</I>><i> working multimedia computer such like mpd for music streaming, and something +</I>><i> similar for video streaming over a network. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And maybe we can also make a similar task for the creators out there? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Mit freundlichen Grüßen +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Greetings +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Daniel Kreuter +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20101218/880f7aaa/attachment-0001.html> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001778.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001781.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1780">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1780">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1780">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1780">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001781.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001781.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..aafd417bd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001781.html @@ -0,0 +1,129 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikZJnddS%3DMWyM%2Bf-0xsxDBmnzo7ZNennSDsANWf%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001780.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001791.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks</H1> + <B>SaschaS</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikZJnddS%3DMWyM%2Bf-0xsxDBmnzo7ZNennSDsANWf%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks">ungleichklang at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Dec 18 10:07:12 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001780.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001791.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1781">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1781">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1781">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1781">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>.... sorry, my little son found the send button .... + +That way we could provide something for nearly every need. +We even could offer separate kernels. + +But first lets see how we can integrate the idea of spinoffs into the mageia +projekt. + +greetings, Sascha + +2010/12/18 SaschaS <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ungleichklang at gmail.com</A>> + +><i> So I see basically that we need a guidline on how mageia deals with +</I>><i> Spinoffs first. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If all task are in the repos, I can understand those who say that there are +</I>><i> to many task. +</I>><i> If the spinoffs are handled as separate projects, we could provide a cusom +</I>><i> .iso and different sound-tasks, that people download from the spinoff page. +</I>><i> The a +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 2010/12/18 Daniel Kreuter <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 7:04 AM, herman <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">herman at aeronetworks.ca</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 15:30 -0700, Frank Kober wrote: +</I>>>><i> > I'm here for sure. Doing subtasks was one of the ideas coming in from +</I>>>><i> several linuxmao.org members. This idea got rejected from the mdv people +</I>>>><i> with the argument that there are already too many task metapackages. It was +</I>>>><i> difficult to get a common opinion on it by the musicians anyway, but finally +</I>>>><i> the most useful division would be a bit in the sense of the current +</I>>>><i> task-sound-studio, i.e. use cases: Audio recording, Audio synthesis and +</I>>>><i> composing, live tools (loopers, etc..), sounds (soundfonts in particular +</I>>>><i> which are large data files), video?. +</I>>>><i> > But you will see that it is not so easy to make coherent and useful +</I>>>><i> subsets. Another example would be the ubuntu studio grouping. +</I>>>><i> > +</I>>>><i> > I think there should be just a clear separation of music consumer tasks +</I>>>><i> and music creation tasks, and already the latter includes some of the first +</I>>>><i> one... +</I>>>><i> IMHO the most important thing is to make a basic package that works. +</I>>>><i> The user can then add other things they like. As things are, it is very +</I>>>><i> difficult for an ordinary mortal to make a working sound system by +</I>>>><i> installing individual packages. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> The basic music tasks such as soundserver (pulse or alsa), music/video +</I>>><i> player should already be in the main distribution included like we know +</I>>><i> already from existing distributions. +</I>>><i> What I would like is a task-package which includes everything needed for a +</I>>><i> working multimedia computer such like mpd for music streaming, and something +</I>>><i> similar for video streaming over a network. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> And maybe we can also make a similar task for the creators out there? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> -- +</I>>><i> Mit freundlichen Grüßen +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Greetings +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Daniel Kreuter +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20101218/cfca6c54/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001780.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001791.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1781">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1781">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1781">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1781">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001782.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001782.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..122f59db4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001782.html @@ -0,0 +1,100 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] maintainers database + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20maintainers%20database&In-Reply-To=%3C20101218110052.GB19889%40sisay.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001779.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001783.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] maintainers database</H1> + <B>Michael scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20maintainers%20database&In-Reply-To=%3C20101218110052.GB19889%40sisay.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] maintainers database">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Dec 18 12:00:52 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001779.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainers database +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001783.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainers database +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1782">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1782">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1782">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1782">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 11:55:39PM +0100, Romain d'Alverny wrote: +><i> On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 23:41, Maarten Vanraes +</I>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > imo, it could be used into mageia-app-db, allthough the purposes are a bit +</I>><i> > different. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So it should be a separate component. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > however, if we plan on using ldap to store the maintainership (it would be +</I>><i> > more like groups for each package and people being member of it...), then +</I>><i> > perhaps it should be in catdap. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm not sure this should be put into the LDAP, but I may be wrong. The +</I>><i> data model is likely to change often enough (even if not a lot) and +</I>><i> queries are likely to be frequent enought, to justify a separate, +</I>><i> simple db/app for that. But here again, I may not have all the infos. +</I> +I think we should use a simple sql database for now. + +Even if later, ldap could help use to set ACL, and tree structure for packages +( ie, the grouping feature of packages you spoke of ), I think we should aim first +for a very basic application : + +1 srpm -> 1 to N maintainers, + +and that's all. + +Later, we can think more thoroughly about this, and likely rewrite. +But the initial goal was to reuse mdvdb because +it was the fastest route. So we should not forget about it. If we use a quick +and dirty django application with basic CRUD to manage that, it should be fine. + +-- +Michael Scherer +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001779.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainers database +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001783.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainers database +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1782">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1782">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1782">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1782">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001783.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001783.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..69a7859c7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001783.html @@ -0,0 +1,120 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] maintainers database + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20maintainers%20database&In-Reply-To=%3C201012181339.17909.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001782.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001784.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] maintainers database</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20maintainers%20database&In-Reply-To=%3C201012181339.17909.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] maintainers database">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Dec 18 13:39:17 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001782.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainers database +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001784.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1783">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1783">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1783">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1783">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op zaterdag 18 december 2010 12:00:52 schreef Michael scherer: +><i> On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 11:55:39PM +0100, Romain d'Alverny wrote: +</I>><i> > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 23:41, Maarten Vanraes +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > > imo, it could be used into mageia-app-db, allthough the purposes are a +</I>><i> > > bit different. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > So it should be a separate component. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > > however, if we plan on using ldap to store the maintainership (it would +</I>><i> > > be more like groups for each package and people being member of +</I>><i> > > it...), then perhaps it should be in catdap. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I'm not sure this should be put into the LDAP, but I may be wrong. The +</I>><i> > data model is likely to change often enough (even if not a lot) and +</I>><i> > queries are likely to be frequent enought, to justify a separate, +</I>><i> > simple db/app for that. But here again, I may not have all the infos. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I think we should use a simple sql database for now. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Even if later, ldap could help use to set ACL, and tree structure for +</I>><i> packages ( ie, the grouping feature of packages you spoke of ), I think we +</I>><i> should aim first for a very basic application : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1 srpm -> 1 to N maintainers, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> and that's all. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Later, we can think more thoroughly about this, and likely rewrite. +</I>><i> But the initial goal was to reuse mdvdb because +</I>><i> it was the fastest route. So we should not forget about it. If we use a +</I>><i> quick and dirty django application with basic CRUD to manage that, it +</I>><i> should be fine. +</I> +i'm ok with quick and dirty. + +tbh, i would like to have this in ldap; since it's related to groups; +especially if we will woul mailgroups for each package, the member (or +uniqueMember) can be used to get all the maintainers for that package, and an +extra attribute to have a primary maintainer. + +in effect: being co-maintainer could even be validated by the primary +maintainer; if primary maintainer leaves, a co-maintainer can grab the primary +maintainership; if no maintainers are there, someone can become maintainer +without checks, and becomes primary maintainer directly. only valid packagers +can grab maintainership (but novices can too) + +packagers should have an ldap attribute for the level: none, novice, full, +security (where none can be omitted and security means he can do security +updates) + +(if you haven't seen it yet; i'm a fan of having everything directly related +to auth and groupings of users into an ldap) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001782.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainers database +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001784.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1783">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1783">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1783">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1783">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001784.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001784.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..697919e50 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001784.html @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1012181440520.19252-100000%40outpost-priv%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001783.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001785.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1012181440520.19252-100000%40outpost-priv%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Dec 18 14:50:28 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001783.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainers database +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001785.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1784">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1784">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1784">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1784">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, 17 Dec 2010, Sascha Schneider wrote: + +><i> Hi list, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I just started to create some task.spec files from the mandriva +</I>><i> task-sound-studio for mageia. +</I>><i> In contrast to the former taskfile and to most other linux audio +</I>><i> distributions I would like to establish a modular system of sound-tasks, +</I>><i> that help installing packages, but do not install everything regarded to +</I>><i> sound. +</I>><i> For I am not a good programmer, I wanted to ask if there are some devs, +</I>><i> packagers and mageia-fanatics, that are willing to join me on this mission. +</I> +Count me in, I was planning something similar too, since my interest is +also mainly in the Audio/Video area, that's also why I registered as a +packager in this area. + +I guess once the build system is up and running and we are all set up as +packagers then we can talk about the details, but I don't think it +should be here on the general dev ML, the ML would quickly get +polluted with too many parallel discussions if every sub-group did all +their discussion on the same ML. We could use a dedicated ML (either +an official one or else I can set one up quickly on my server) or even +a simple forum thread on the future Mageia forum. + +Don't get demotivated by the nay-sayers that commented on your initial +post, the argument that there are too many tasks is silly, as long as +there is a maintainer for a task package (or any package) it should be +included in the repos (if that won't be the case then Mageia wouldn't be +the kind of open community distro it set out to be). + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001783.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainers database +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001785.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1784">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1784">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1784">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1784">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001785.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001785.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..adfc6f012 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001785.html @@ -0,0 +1,120 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTin7hxU1O17kiZO5dCmh_qE9Ki_SaftKnc3L%2BX78%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001784.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001787.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTin7hxU1O17kiZO5dCmh_qE9Ki_SaftKnc3L%2BX78%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Dec 18 15:05:11 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001784.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001787.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1785">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1785">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1785">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1785">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 18 December 2010 15:50, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +><i> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010, Sascha Schneider wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Hi list, +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I just started to create some task.spec files from the mandriva +</I>>><i> task-sound-studio for mageia. +</I>>><i> In contrast to the former taskfile and to most other linux audio +</I>>><i> distributions I would like to establish a modular system of sound-tasks, +</I>>><i> that help installing packages, but do not install everything regarded to +</I>>><i> sound. +</I>>><i> For I am not a good programmer, I wanted to ask if there are some devs, +</I>>><i> packagers and mageia-fanatics, that are willing to join me on this mission. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Count me in, I was planning something similar too, since my interest is +</I>><i> also mainly in the Audio/Video area, that's also why I registered as a +</I>><i> packager in this area. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I guess once the build system is up and running and we are all set up as +</I>><i> packagers then we can talk about the details, but I don't think it +</I>><i> should be here on the general dev ML, the ML would quickly get +</I>><i> polluted with too many parallel discussions if every sub-group did all +</I>><i> their discussion on the same ML. We could use a dedicated ML (either +</I>><i> an official one or else I can set one up quickly on my server) or even +</I>><i> a simple forum thread on the future Mageia forum. +</I>><i> +</I> +The Mageia-dev ML is the current official packagers ML, such packaging +discussions are supposed and expected to happen here. + +><i> Don't get demotivated by the nay-sayers that commented on your initial +</I>><i> post, the argument that there are too many tasks is silly, as long as +</I>><i> there is a maintainer for a task package (or any package) it should be +</I>><i> included in the repos (if that won't be the case then Mageia wouldn't be +</I>><i> the kind of open community distro it set out to be). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +This looks like coercing other packagers into adapting your point of +view "if you don't agree with my POV then you're not an open community +distro"; I don't like that attitude one bit. + +In any distro there're rules and guidelines that should be followed +(look at Debian for example); being a community distro doesn't mean +anyone gets a free reign to do whatever he wants whenever he wants. + +Note that Michael is discussing the issue, he didn't make final +decisions. If you have a productive argument to make please do so, +otherwise please refrain from calling other peoples' posts "silly" (or +"non-sense" judging from your other posts on the ML). + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001784.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001787.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1785">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1785">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1785">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1785">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001786.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001786.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8fee953b0 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001786.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3Cdbd.4d0cc0b1%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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I don't like that attitude one bit. +</I> +Nobody is coerced by me, in fact I believe in the 'live and let live' +principle, it's actually some dismissive posts here that made me defend +this principle. + +><i> In any distro there're rules and guidelines that should be followed +</I>><i> (look at Debian for example); being a community distro doesn't mean +</I>><i> anyone gets a free reign to do whatever he wants whenever he wants. +</I> +Calm down, I don't see where I said anything to get you worked up like +this. + +><i> Note that Michael is discussing the issue, he didn't make final +</I>><i> decisions. If you have a productive argument to make please do so, +</I>><i> otherwise please refrain from calling other peoples' posts "silly" (or +</I>><i> "non-sense" judging from your other posts on the ML). +</I> +Michael's initial post in this thread was very dismissive and not +productive at all, if anything you should be criticising him, I don't see +why you are attacking me here? + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001785.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001788.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1787">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1787">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1787">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1787">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001788.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001788.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6b5b5b379 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001788.html @@ -0,0 +1,128 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinP-DUbB%2BpH1AZKk2phQkeYLHttG2utqvT3zy1E%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001787.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001789.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinP-DUbB%2BpH1AZKk2phQkeYLHttG2utqvT3zy1E%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Dec 18 15:30:59 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001787.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001789.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1788">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1788">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1788">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1788">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 18 December 2010 16:16, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Quote: Ahmad Samir wrote on Sat, 18 December 2010 15:05 +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> The Mageia-dev ML is the current official packagers ML, such packaging +</I>>><i> discussions are supposed and expected to happen here. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Sure, but that doesn't stop anyone from using other communications if they +</I>><i> want to, we are all volunteers and everyone is free to use the means they +</I>><i> prefer. +</I>><i> +</I> +Quoting you: +“the ML would quickly get polluted with too many parallel discussions +if every sub-group did all their discussion on the same ML” + +That's exactly what a ML is for, parallel discussions each ideally +contained in a thread of its own; that's what I was pointing out. +>><i> This looks like coercing other packagers into adapting your point of +</I>>><i> view "if you don't agree with my POV then you're not an open community +</I>>><i> distro"; I don't like that attitude one bit. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Nobody is coerced by me, in fact I believe in the 'live and let live' +</I>><i> principle, it's actually some dismissive posts here that made me defend +</I>><i> this principle. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> In any distro there're rules and guidelines that should be followed +</I>>><i> (look at Debian for example); being a community distro doesn't mean +</I>>><i> anyone gets a free reign to do whatever he wants whenever he wants. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Calm down, I don't see where I said anything to get you worked up like +</I>><i> this. +</I>><i> +</I> +I am calm, you don't see me shouting, do you? :) + +>><i> Note that Michael is discussing the issue, he didn't make final +</I>>><i> decisions. If you have a productive argument to make please do so, +</I>>><i> otherwise please refrain from calling other peoples' posts "silly" (or +</I>>><i> "non-sense" judging from your other posts on the ML). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Michael's initial post in this thread was very dismissive and not +</I>><i> productive at all, if anything you should be criticising him, I don't see +</I>><i> why you are attacking me here? +</I>><i> +</I> +To put things in perspective, here's what Michael said: +“And secondary, I think we should also try to avoid having too much task- +rpms. Their values is in the fact they allow to quickly install a set of +rpm without searching in the whole set of rpm. + +If there is too much of them, people while end searching in the various +task-* rpms, and that seems counter productive at best. +( ie, searching the task rpm they want to avoid searching rpm they want +directly ... ).” + +Doesn't look dismissive to me, he stated rather clearly why he's +against having too many task/meta packages. + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001787.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001789.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1788">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1788">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1788">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1788">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001789.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001789.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..577f1a7c6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001789.html @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3Cdc0.4d0cc98b%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001788.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001786.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3Cdc0.4d0cc98b%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Dec 18 15:47:41 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001788.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001786.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1789">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1789">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1789">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1789">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: Ahmad Samir wrote on Sat, 18 December 2010 15:30 + +><i> That's exactly what a ML is for, parallel discussions each ideally +</I>><i> contained in a thread of its own; that's what I was pointing out. +</I> +Sure, I was just suggesting an alternative in case this ML becomes too +high-traffic, I guess we all know that high traffic MLs are not very +efficient, posts get lost in the noise. + +><i> To put things in perspective, here's what Michael said: +</I>><i> "And secondary, I think we should also try to avoid having too much +</I>><i> task- +</I>><i> rpms. Their values is in the fact they allow to quickly install a set +</I>><i> of +</I>><i> rpm without searching in the whole set of rpm. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If there is too much of them, people while end searching in the +</I>><i> various +</I>><i> task-* rpms, and that seems counter productive at best. +</I>><i> ( ie, searching the task rpm they want to avoid searching rpm they +</I>><i> want +</I>><i> directly ... )." +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Doesn't look dismissive to me, he stated rather clearly why he's +</I>><i> against having too many task/meta packages. +</I> +I consider it very dismissive and furthermore the argument that too many +task-rpms are confusing is pointless (one more task rpm doesn't mean too +many and who is to decide what's too many, how long is a piece of string?) +and very dismissive (a volunteer and new poster offering to do something +that other users will appreciate immediately get's confronted with the +exagerated argument that what he wants to do will cause too much +clutter...). + +Anyway, like I said I think we should be following more the principle of +'live and let live' rather than 'lowest common denominator' here. + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001788.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001786.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1789">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1789">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1789">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1789">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001790.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001790.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..11170e4a2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001790.html @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3C20101218145426.GA18333%40sisay.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001786.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks</H1> + <B>Michael scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3C20101218145426.GA18333%40sisay.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Dec 18 15:54:26 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001786.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1790">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1790">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1790">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1790">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 01:33:24PM -0500, Frank Griffin wrote: +><i> SaschaS wrote: +</I>><i> > After having a looong chat with the guys from linux4audio and reading +</I>><i> > tons of posts in ccrma forum, I must say ..... +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Idea with an rt-kernel for netbooks ....... DISMISSED .... it simply +</I>><i> > makes no sense. +</I>><i> > Those guys mostly use gentoo and build their own kernel for years now +</I>><i> > and they gave me the following hints, that also can be found in +</I>><i> > discussions of other distributions: +</I>><i> Pre-built kernels are appropriate for standard and newbie systems, but +</I>><i> what you might consider is packaging a kernel .config file with the +</I>><i> options for your custom kernel, having the package prereq kernel-source, +</I>><i> and having the spec file compile the kernel with that .config file and +</I>><i> install it under a name derived from the package-name. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Of course, we'll get performance complaints about urpmi running for 3 or +</I>><i> 4 hours, but hey, it's a lot less of a bandwidth/space hog. +</I> +We could have something that run the compilation in the background. That's how +gitorious do for lenghty operation, something based on stomp. + +You install the specfile, it check if the server is up, if not, it start it, it +send a message "compile this", and then urpmi finish. + +The next issue would be how to communicate with the user that the kernel is ready. +Maybe using s2u, or dbus, i do not know. + +Using this method would also ease the distribution of custom patched kernel, if we start to +distribute the various patchs as rpm, we would no longer have 28 compiled kernels in +contrib. + +-- +Michael Scherer +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001786.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1790">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1790">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1790">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1790">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001791.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001791.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2b22ed491 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001791.html @@ -0,0 +1,89 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3C20101218153450.GB18333%40sisay.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001781.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001792.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks</H1> + <B>Michael scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3C20101218153450.GB18333%40sisay.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Dec 18 16:34:50 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001781.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001792.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1791">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1791">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1791">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1791">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 10:03:36AM +0100, SaschaS wrote: +><i> So I see basically that we need a guidline on how mageia deals with Spinoffs +</I>><i> first. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If all task are in the repos, I can understand those who say that there are +</I>><i> to many task. +</I> +The problem is not that there is too much more than the consequence of the +high number of task-*. + +rpmdrake, who is the main consumer of task-* rpm +convention, show all of them as 1 single list. So basically, with lots of tasks- +rpm, you just have a big unsorted list of category. Obviously not good for endusers. + +While it would be useful to group task into sound category, for the moment, +we cannot. One way would be to encode this information in the name ( ie, decide +that task-sound-foo and task-sound-bar are part of the sound category ). + +I am not sure that using the name for this is a good idea. It is quite poor, +in term of metadata, and that's still a tree structure, while may a tag based +one may be better ( like Debian do, for example ). + +More ever, it doesn't make much sense to have task-lamp-* task-nagios and task-kde4 +at the same level, they are not destined at the same public. + +Not to mention that installing rpm is ust half of the solution, configuration is +the other one. While we can to some extend push configuration in the rpm, there +is some that we cannot do reliably ( like adding a user to a group ). + +So maybe a wizard is a better solution than using a rpm that does magically everything. + +-- +Michael Scherer +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001781.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001792.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1791">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1791">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1791">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1791">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001792.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001792.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ec05317e0 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001792.html @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3C514083.50670.qm%40web26403.mail.ukl.yahoo.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001791.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001793.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks</H1> + <B>Frank Kober</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3C514083.50670.qm%40web26403.mail.ukl.yahoo.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks">goemusic at yahoo.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Dec 18 17:18:07 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001791.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001793.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1792">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1792">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1792">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1792">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +--- En date de : Sam 18.12.10, Michael scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>> a écrit : + +><i> So maybe a wizard is a better solution than using a rpm +</I>><i> that does magically everything. +</I> + +Just to get things clear a bit, I'd like to summarize the status of that on which we remained in very good agreement at mandriva: + +1) The linux audio (-creating) community is not huge, yet very active and willing to participate, they exploit a bunch of unique applications and server structure who make that linux is nonetheless a well known and growing audio production system. +2) Jack users rely on a couple of very small adaptations in order to have a low-latency system suitable for a good jack performance. +3) There are many solutions of dedicated distributions for audio/video creation, and all have their goods and bads. +4) Mageia will remain a general purpose distro departing from a general purpose distro that had everything to turn it quickly into a VERY well performing audio creation system, not more and not less at the moment. + +So this has IMO the following consequences: + +* We should not make spin-offs since we would lose the benefit of a high-level maintenance and up-to-date-ness of general packages and the distro itself. There are many examples of dedicated AV-distros that do audio OK but all the rest is in a varying shape. + +* I fully agree with Misc on the need of a finer adjustment than tasks for handling audio/video/creation software. A wizzard or dedicated installer program is surely the best solution since that could also do the 2 or three config changes: +1) PAM limits.conf +2) cpufreq +3) handle pulseaudio interferences (i.e. keep the very much appreciated possibility to switch it off) +4) handle alsa device lists and default device in a human-friendly fashion + +* The task-sound-studio is a good basis and it can currently be installed with --no-suggests to get all the hard-to-find stuff installed without flooding the system with unnecessary apps. + +* We (packagers) can do best if we provide up-to-date software and also collect points and ideas on how to handle the peculiarities so that they can be best integrated into the future "Magxtools". Here is a huge and unique chance to produce a distro that works for musicians without compromises on the general quality. + +* It is too early now to make decisions, and we do not want to "flood" the mageia-dev list with this, but we need to see how much importance the whole thing has and to measure the scope of it within the distro before creating dedicated team channels/lists. + +For the time being I think we are allowed to discuss on #linuxmao or #mageia-dev. + +Regards +Frank + + + + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001791.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001793.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1792">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1792">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1792">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1792">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001793.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001793.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..90cc6639a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001793.html @@ -0,0 +1,75 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3Cdcc.4d0cdf78%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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So basically, with lots of +</I>><i> tasks- +</I>><i> rpm, you just have a big unsorted list of category. Obviously not good for +</I>><i> endusers. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> While it would be useful to group task into sound category, for the moment, +</I>><i> we cannot. One way would be to encode this information in the name ( ie, +</I>><i> decide +</I>><i> that task-sound-foo and task-sound-bar are part of the sound category ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I am not sure that using the name for this is a good idea. It is quite +</I>><i> poor, +</I>><i> in term of metadata, and that's still a tree structure, while may a tag +</I>><i> based +</I>><i> one may be better ( like Debian do, for example ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> More ever, it doesn't make much sense to have task-lamp-* task-nagios and +</I>><i> task-kde4 +</I>><i> at the same level, they are not destined at the same public. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Not to mention that installing rpm is ust half of the solution, +</I>><i> configuration is +</I>><i> the other one. While we can to some extend push configuration in the rpm, +</I>><i> there +</I>><i> is some that we cannot do reliably ( like adding a user to a group ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So maybe a wizard is a better solution than using a rpm that does magically +</I>><i> everything. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Michael Scherer +</I>><i> +</I>-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20101218/f6b268c4/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001794.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001796.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1795">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1795">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1795">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1795">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001796.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001796.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a0b642119 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001796.html @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3C20101218194958.GD18333%40sisay.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001795.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001797.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks</H1> + <B>Michael scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3C20101218194958.GD18333%40sisay.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Dec 18 20:49:58 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001795.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001797.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1796">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1796">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1796">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1796">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 08:01:19PM +0100, SaschaS wrote: +><i> A wizard sounds like a good idea.... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> are there any howtos on Wizards for M?? +</I> +yes, there is one dating back to my days at Mandrakesoft : +<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Howto/WritingWizard">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Howto/WritingWizard</A> + +-- +Michael Scherer +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001795.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001797.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1796">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1796">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1796">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1796">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001797.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001797.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..171aae280 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001797.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTiktLw45UcKfDrz759%2BGNdsasQ6PCzhaNpATqMcb%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001796.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001800.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks</H1> + <B>yvan munoz</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTiktLw45UcKfDrz759%2BGNdsasQ6PCzhaNpATqMcb%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks">mr.yvan.munoz at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Dec 18 22:02:55 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001796.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001800.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1797">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1797">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1797">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1797">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hello, just few words to mention the obvious : + +1. musicians are sub-group +2. RT-kernel need is a sub-sub-group of (electronic and music) needs +3. Jack works well on normal-kernel now, providing 90% of sound-studio +usages (really needs of -RT are rares, irl) + +and last thing : kernel-RT is not suffisant. user must configure most things +on system (limits.d, sysctl, acpi, tmpfs or ramfs, fstab, and more to have a +"real pro-audio station like any others o.s"), so providing kernel-rt is +good to seems give "out-of-the-box" possibility, but it lies : user in all +cases must configure what is bad to auto-conf through spec file + +So maybe it's a false good idea to provide kernel-rt. +Another stone to wall "dont want to have many kernel in repo" + +ps : the real trouble about sound-studio seems to be "how to provide +non-free support" ? (eg : compil most softwares with mp3 support, and vst +support) It is possible to provide this supports but without distribute the +lib of ? example : compil qtractor with mp3 + vst support, but wihtout +provide lib for mp3 and vst : software could but user need to install +himself mp3 and vst ? + +end of off-topic +nice night +maybe soon +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20101218/013dea1d/attachment-0001.html> +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001796.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001800.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1797">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1797">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1797">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1797">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001798.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001798.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9622c86c5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001798.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinUms6JS88B9dAO8UK5xWS3x4OVgobB4Cx2s6Wn%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001800.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001799.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks</H1> + <B>SaschaS</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinUms6JS88B9dAO8UK5xWS3x4OVgobB4Cx2s6Wn%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks">ungleichklang at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Dec 18 22:22:54 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001800.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001799.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1798">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1798">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1798">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1798">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Read the tutorial and I think that this really is the best solution IMHO. +I mean providing a good wizard + +1. check system can be included +2. modular installation of package groups or even single packages out of a +group is possible +3. alternation and adding files is possible - like limits.conf, etc. is +possible + +actually sounds perfect to me. + +note to myself: RTFM perl + +greetings, saschas + +2010/12/18 Michael scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>> + +><i> On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 08:01:19PM +0100, SaschaS wrote: +</I>><i> > A wizard sounds like a good idea.... +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > are there any howtos on Wizards for M?? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> yes, there is one dating back to my days at Mandrakesoft : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Howto/WritingWizard">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Howto/WritingWizard</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Michael Scherer +</I>><i> +</I>-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20101218/49e0c9df/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001800.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001799.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1798">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1798">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1798">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1798">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001799.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001799.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8f9e34f77 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001799.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikKJ%2Bt8XCmeRW0Ks7sVPdHQH%3D6zx2OVU_bPJECv%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001798.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001779.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks</H1> + <B>yvan munoz</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikKJ%2Bt8XCmeRW0Ks7sVPdHQH%3D6zx2OVU_bPJECv%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks">mr.yvan.munoz at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Dec 18 22:28:34 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001798.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001779.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainers database +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1799">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1799">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1799">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1799">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/12/18 SaschaS <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ungleichklang at gmail.com</A>> + +><i> 2. modular installation of package groups or even single packages out of a +</I>><i> group is possible +</I>><i> +</I> +This is the work of drakrpm (of preferably Kpackagekit) no ? + + +><i> 3. alternation and adding files is possible - like limits.conf, etc. is +</I>><i> possible +</I>><i> +</I> +yes :-) + + +><i> actually sounds perfect to me. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> note to myself: RTFM perl +</I>><i> +</I> +i tried, it s more complicated as wiki says. You could read what Aginies +write for it's old ssh wizard ("simple" example) + + +><i> greetings, saschas +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Providing a shell script could a way to have a clean and release early, +</I>often thing to do that ? what thing about ? +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20101218/6d1a951c/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001798.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001779.html">[Mageia-dev] maintainers database +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1799">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1799">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1799">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1799">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001800.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001800.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..59c4cf63d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/001800.html @@ -0,0 +1,118 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTin0BCcU0c2KNxsOrCuPbKK2_xmFeqZiQapWj3G%2B%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001797.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001798.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks</H1> + <B>SaschaS</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mageia%20sound%20tasks&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTin0BCcU0c2KNxsOrCuPbKK2_xmFeqZiQapWj3G%2B%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks">ungleichklang at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Dec 18 22:39:23 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001797.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001798.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1800">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1800">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1800">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1800">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi + +2010/12/18 yvan munoz <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mr.yvan.munoz at gmail.com</A>> + +><i> +</I>><i> Hello, just few words to mention the obvious : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1. musicians are sub-group +</I>><i> +</I>yes, but there are more and more musicians that want to use linux. Mainly +IMHO cause ther was a wave of sound apps development started end 2009 / +beginning 2010 that really makes linux more and more attractive to +musicians, naming Qtractor, ladish and even some new native linux VSTs .. +and new LV2 plugs. + + +><i> 2. RT-kernel need is a sub-sub-group of (electronic and music) needs +</I>><i> +</I>yes, since kernel 2.6.33 the RT-Patch even made my system less stable that +the normal kernel + + +><i> 3. Jack works well on normal-kernel now, providing 90% of sound-studio +</I>><i> usages (really needs of -RT are rares, irl) +</I>><i> +</I>Well ... the normal kernel is o.k. exept, that it still has the "Tickles +System" activated. Deaktivating this really boosts the kernel for sound .. +at least in my and other cases I know it did. + + + +><i> +</I>><i> and last thing : kernel-RT is not suffisant. user must configure most +</I>><i> things on system (limits.d, sysctl, acpi, tmpfs or ramfs, fstab, and more to +</I>><i> have a "real pro-audio station like any others o.s"), so providing kernel-rt +</I>><i> is good to seems give "out-of-the-box" possibility, but it lies : user in +</I>><i> all cases must configure what is bad to auto-conf through spec file +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Therefore I like the idea of the wizard. +</I> + +><i> So maybe it's a false good idea to provide kernel-rt. +</I>><i> Another stone to wall "dont want to have many kernel in repo" +</I>><i> +</I>><i> ps : the real trouble about sound-studio seems to be "how to provide +</I>><i> non-free support" ? (eg : compil most softwares with mp3 support, and vst +</I>><i> support) It is possible to provide this supports but without distribute the +</I>><i> lib of ? example : compil qtractor with mp3 + vst support, but wihtout +</I>><i> provide lib for mp3 and vst : software could but user need to install +</I>><i> himself mp3 and vst ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Good point, but I have no answer to this at this point. +</I> + +><i> end of off-topic +</I>><i> nice night +</I>><i> maybe soon +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> regards, saschas +</I>-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20101218/41cc1b3a/attachment.html> +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001797.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001798.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1800">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1800">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1800">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1800">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3df5b1aa7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101218/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,177 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 18 December 2010 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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