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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001139.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001139.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3466c127c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001139.html @@ -0,0 +1,139 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci94hm0%24cku%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001135.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001128.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci94hm0%24cku%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 17:02:23 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001135.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001128.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1139">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1139">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1139">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1139">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-13 10:49, andré a écrit : +><i> Tux99 a écrit : +</I>>><i> On Wed, 13 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Marc Paré wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Le 2010-10-12 22:04, Tux99 a écrit : +</I>>>>><i> According to your logic that would mean we can't include ssh, +</I>>>>><i> openssl, pgp, +</I>>>>><i> and even https support in any browser. +</I>>>>><i> Does that seems reasonable to you? +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> You need to face it, it would be impossible to make a distro that is +</I>>>>><i> legal +</I>>>>><i> in every country of the world and at the same time is of any use to the +</I>>>>><i> users. +</I>>>>><i> Therefore I don't see the need why we should comply with US patent laws +</I>>>>><i> when we don't comply with for example Chinese encryption laws. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> All of your points are exactly what I am trying to point out and even +</I>>>><i> reinforce my concerns. These are all true. This is why, in my opinion, +</I>>>><i> the Mageia distro should not be installing all of these controversial +</I>>>><i> software packages by default. +</I>>><i> Are you seriously suggesting Mageia should produce a distro without ssh, +</I>>><i> openssl and even with all browsers stripped of https support? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I can imagine how popular that would be with the majority of users... +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> This would then remove that layer of liability from the Mageia +</I>>>><i> project group. In my opinion, Mageia should be wary in wanting to +</I>>>><i> install a fully functioning distro if this means using software packages +</I>>>><i> that may get it into trouble (Mageia itself). +</I>>><i> But here lies the mistake in your reasoning. Mageia doesn't have to +</I>>><i> exclude all those packages, since the only liability Mageia has, is +</I>>><i> towards the French laws. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> So the sensible choice is to base the choice of packages to include on +</I>>><i> French law. It is up to the user to make sure he/she only installs and +</I>>><i> uses packages that are legal in his/her country. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Excuse me if I'm wrong -- but you seem to be arguing at cross purposes. +</I>><i> Marc says don't install codecs by default, and Tux99 (and many others) +</I>><i> say codecs must be included in the distro so the user can choose to +</I>><i> install them. +</I>><i> Simple solution - include them in the distro, but not installed by default. +</I>><i> Where is the problem ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> To make things easier, maybe we should put seriously threatened software +</I>><i> in the non-free section ? (I mean software which is *known* to have +</I>><i> problems, not those just *rumoured* to have.) +</I>><i> In any case, I would certainly avoid excluding useful codecs from the +</I>><i> distribution ISOs. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> By the way, it is not only what is permitted in France, but also what is +</I>><i> permitted in the countries where the mirrors are hosted. Here in Canada, +</I>><i> there is (no longer) a mirror for Mandriva, so the nearest Mandriva +</I>><i> mirrors are in the U.S. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A few years back, the U.S. restricted severely encryption, unlike in +</I>><i> Canada and most of the rest of the world. So to have normal encryption +</I>><i> with Mozilla software, we in Canada had to download Mozilla from Europe, +</I>><i> since there were at that time no mirrors for Mozilla in Canada. Luckily +</I>><i> the U.S. no longer has such restrictions. +</I>><i> Having to download an entire distro from Europe would be much more +</I>><i> problematic. +</I>><i> So it is useful to consider the laws in likely mirror locations. +</I>><i> For North America, Canada is always a good choice :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> my 2 cents:) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - André (andre999) +</I>><i> +</I> +Yes, all of this would be a fine middle ground in my opinion. + +Re: Canadian repos -- U. of Sherbrook (Québec, Canada) dropped the +Mandriva mirrors for unknown reason (I suspect that the person who had a +personal interest in maintaining these just moved on). I was however +pleasantly surprised to see that U. of Waterloo offering the Mandriva +KDE 4.5.0 updates on their servers. We may be able to convince them to +mirror the Mageia project on their servers. I may be able to help as I +live in Wateloo (no contacts at the U. of Waterloo though), more at the +other university Wilfrid Laurier. + +Marc + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001135.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001128.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1139">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1139">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1139">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1139">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |