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<div dir="ltr" id="TranslationOutput" class="mttextarea"><div class="force_dir"><font lang="en">Ola</font></div><br><div class="force_dir"><font lang="en">Filip</font></div><br><div class="force_dir"><font lang="en">Thank
 you for your attention, I&#39;m not getting in touch with the translation 
leader en do not have password from svn to transmit files from the 
command line, it was because of this that I am sending translations via 
email to <a href="mailto:mageia-i18n@mageia.org">mageia-i18n@mageia.org</a>, near translations I will attach several
 files into one so email ok ...</font></div><br><div class="force_dir"><font lang="en">Thank you Filip</font></div></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/10/13  <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-i18n-request@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-i18n-request@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br>
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   1. Re: translation en/about/code-of-conduct.en.lang to the file<br>
      pt-br/about/code-of-conduct.pt-br.lang (Filip Komar)<br>
   2. [Bug 6416] Hebrew translation problems (drakconf) (Marja van Waes)<br>
   3. [Bug 6416] Hebrew translation problems (drakconf) (Marja van Waes)<br>
   4. [Bug 6416] Hebrew translation problems (drakconf) (Filip Komar)<br>
   5. [Bug 6416] Hebrew translation problems (drakconf)<br>
      (Thierry Vignaud)<br>
   6. [Bug 6416] Hebrew translation problems (drakconf) (Marja van Waes)<br>
   7. [Bug 6416] Hebrew translation problems (drakconf)<br>
      (Thomas Backlund)<br>
   8. translation of the donate.en.lang file to the<br>
      donate.pt-br.lang for the global mageia (Marcio Padula Padula)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 16:31:32 +0200<br>
From: Filip Komar &lt;<a href="mailto:filip.komar@gmail.com">filip.komar@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
To: List dedicated to internationalisation issues<br>
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Subject: Re: [Mageia-i18n] translation<br>
        en/about/code-of-conduct.en.lang to the file<br>
        pt-br/about/code-of-conduct.pt-br.lang<br>
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Hi Padula.<br>
<br>
Nice work!<br>
<br>
I just switched pt-br donate and code-of-conduct pages from php to<br>
lang system. Please check if it&#39;s OK.<br>
<br>
Can you please next time attach your translations as files in one<br>
email rather then several emails like you did until now? Or even<br>
better commit them as Yuri suggested. See some more about that on<br>
links on the bottom.<br>
<br>
<br>
Following sentence in constitution.*.lang is actually note to<br>
translators and not something to translate ;). See<br>
<a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Internationalisation_Team_%28i18n%29#Special_cases_of_web_pages" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Internationalisation_Team_%28i18n%29#Special_cases_of_web_pages</a><br>
to see what exactly you should do.<br>
Please translate first &quot;<a href="http://mageia.org_statutes_fr.md" target="_blank">mageia.org_statutes_fr.md</a>&quot; or<br>
&quot;<a href="http://mageia.org_statutes_en.md" target="_blank">mageia.org_statutes_en.md</a>&quot; as a fallback. Check wiki for details.<br>
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Useful links for web pages translation:<br>
<a href="http://www.mageia.org/langs/report.php" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/langs/report.php</a><br>
<a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Internationalisation_Team_%28i18n%29#Website_translation" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Internationalisation_Team_%28i18n%29#Website_translation</a><br>
<a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Svn_for_translators" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Svn_for_translators</a><br>
<a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Guide_for_i18n_commiters" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Guide_for_i18n_commiters</a><br>
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Thanks for your work,<br>
Filip.<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 18:09:51 +0200<br>
From: Marja van Waes &lt;<a href="mailto:bugzilla-daemon@mageia.org">bugzilla-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
To: <a href="mailto:mageia-i18n@mageia.org">mageia-i18n@mageia.org</a><br>
Subject: [Mageia-i18n] [Bug 6416] Hebrew translation problems<br>
        (drakconf)<br>
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<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6416" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6416</a><br>
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--- Comment #20 from Marja van Waes &lt;<a href="mailto:marja11@xs4all.nl">marja11@xs4all.nl</a>&gt; 2012-10-13 18:09:49 CEST ---<br>
Created attachment 2939<br>
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proposed_he.po without needed %s<br>
<br>
(In reply to comment #16)<br>
&gt; %s will be replaced at run time by another string.<br>
&gt; In most of these cases, it&#39;ll be &quot;Mageia&quot;.<br>
&gt; However previously, &quot;Mandriva&quot; was hardcoded but in Hebrew.<br>
&gt; It should be pretty straightforward for one that can read Hebrew to replace<br>
&gt; &quot;Mandriva&quot; or &quot;Mandriva Linux&quot; in Hebrew by &quot;%s&quot;<br>
<br>
I&#39;m afraid it is not that easy.<br>
<br>
It seems impossible to do that, if you add it on the good end of a string, the<br>
%s jumps to the wrong end of it. If you add it on the wrong end, it stays on<br>
the wrong end and won&#39;t jump to the good end. Is it allowed to combine a LTR<br>
with a RTL language between &quot;&quot;?.<br>
<br>
In revision 6106 (where tv added Max&#39;s fix) there was one instance of Mandriva<br>
Linux (&quot;??????? ??????&quot;)left, in the attached file it is replaced by Mageia<br>
(&quot;????&quot;), and there were about 10 &quot;Mageia Linux&quot;&#39;s, so in the attached file<br>
&quot;???? ??????&quot; was replaced by &quot;????&quot; only.<br>
<br>
I didn&#39;t run the check Filip proposed (sorry Filip, but the check will fail<br>
anyway, and I&#39;m not in i18n)<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 18:44:32 +0200<br>
From: Marja van Waes &lt;<a href="mailto:bugzilla-daemon@mageia.org">bugzilla-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
To: <a href="mailto:mageia-i18n@mageia.org">mageia-i18n@mageia.org</a><br>
Subject: [Mageia-i18n] [Bug 6416] Hebrew translation problems<br>
        (drakconf)<br>
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--- Comment #21 from Marja van Waes &lt;<a href="mailto:marja11@xs4all.nl">marja11@xs4all.nl</a>&gt; 2012-10-13 18:44:31 CEST ---<br>
I found a way to add the %s, if it should go at the end of a Hebrew string:<br>
Using kwrite: first, type &#39;&quot;%s &#39; on the left of that string, then remove<br>
&#39;&quot;????&#39;<br>
<br>
However, is it worth the trouble... is there any guarantee it will work?<br>
<br>
Depending on which tool you use to look at the he.po file, you can see very<br>
weird things, for instance the first letter of a word being put at the end of<br>
it, or a string like &#39;(%s)\n&#39; being shown as  &#39;s)\n(%&#39;<br>
<br>
It is worst when using vim: the letters constantly change places if you try to<br>
edit something<br>
<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 18:49:24 +0200<br>
From: Filip Komar &lt;<a href="mailto:bugzilla-daemon@mageia.org">bugzilla-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
To: <a href="mailto:mageia-i18n@mageia.org">mageia-i18n@mageia.org</a><br>
Subject: [Mageia-i18n] [Bug 6416] Hebrew translation problems<br>
        (drakconf)<br>
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<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6416" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6416</a><br>
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--- Comment #22 from Filip Komar &lt;<a href="mailto:filip.komar@gmail.com">filip.komar@gmail.com</a>&gt; 2012-10-13 18:49:24 CEST ---<br>
Thanks for your help Marja. It seems that we should be practical and just<br>
hardcode Mageia in those strings. If Max can check if txt is OK in MCC with the<br>
new file we improved situation anyway.<br>
<br>
Maybe someone with some experience about LTR/RTL can jump in.<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 21:25:01 +0200<br>
From: Thierry Vignaud &lt;<a href="mailto:bugzilla-daemon@mageia.org">bugzilla-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
To: <a href="mailto:mageia-i18n@mageia.org">mageia-i18n@mageia.org</a><br>
Subject: [Mageia-i18n] [Bug 6416] Hebrew translation problems<br>
        (drakconf)<br>
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<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6416" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6416</a><br>
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--- Comment #23 from Thierry Vignaud &lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt; 2012-10-13 21:24:59 CEST ---<br>
NO!!!!<br>
It should _NOT_ be hardcoded.<br>
And anyway nobody will be able to commit such a file (check is done prior<br>
accepting commiting).<br>
<br>
The string &quot;%s&quot; will be replaced at runtime by the translation of &quot;Mageia&quot;<br>
which will be LTR too, thus a LTR string inserted in a LTR string at &quot;%s&quot;<br>
position.<br>
This won&#39;t be a problem.<br>
<br>
You can easily check by running the following command as root:<br>
&quot;msgfmt -o /usr/share/locale/he/LC_MESSAGES/drakconf.mo he.po&quot;<br>
<br>
Then just start mcc in order to check your translations.<br>
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Message: 6<br>
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 21:39:17 +0000<br>
From: Marja van Waes &lt;<a href="mailto:bugzilla-daemon@mageia.org">bugzilla-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
To: <a href="mailto:mageia-i18n@mageia.org">mageia-i18n@mageia.org</a><br>
Subject: [Mageia-i18n] [Bug 6416] Hebrew translation problems<br>
        (drakconf)<br>
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Marja van Waes &lt;<a href="mailto:marja11@xs4all.nl">marja11@xs4all.nl</a>&gt; changed:<br>
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--- Comment #24 from Marja van Waes &lt;<a href="mailto:marja11@xs4all.nl">marja11@xs4all.nl</a>&gt; 2012-10-14 01:39:16 CEST ---<br>
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proposed he.po with %s<br>
<br>
Replacing ????, where needed, with %s went well with gvim (even though gvim<br>
showed the characters in the strings in reversed order)<br>
<br>
After that I replaced ???? in the Mandriva changelog with ???????, because<br>
there Mandriva should be kept, but didn&#39;t care very much about the commented<br>
out lines at the end of the file.<br>
<br>
I didn&#39;t find time to work out how to run msgfmt -c properly. I got:<br>
<br>
[marja@Denkblok2 Documents]$ msgfmt -c proposed_%s_he.po<br>
[marja@Denkblok2 Documents]$<br>
<br>
where I had expected to see some messages.<br>
<br>
So<br>
* the file needs to be checked by someone who speaks Hebrew<br>
* the msgfmt -c check still needs to be done<br>
<br>
Feel free to do that :)<br>
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Message: 7<br>
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 23:44:10 +0200<br>
From: Thomas Backlund &lt;<a href="mailto:bugzilla-daemon@mageia.org">bugzilla-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
To: <a href="mailto:mageia-i18n@mageia.org">mageia-i18n@mageia.org</a><br>
Subject: [Mageia-i18n] [Bug 6416] Hebrew translation problems<br>
        (drakconf)<br>
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--- Comment #25 from Thomas Backlund &lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@iki.fi">tmb@iki.fi</a>&gt; 2012-10-13 23:44:09 CEST ---<br>
(In reply to comment #24)<br>
&gt; I didn&#39;t find time to work out how to run msgfmt -c properly. I got:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; [marja@Denkblok2 Documents]$ msgfmt -c proposed_%s_he.po<br>
&gt; [marja@Denkblok2 Documents]$<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; where I had expected to see some messages.<br>
<br>
<br>
That probably means no errors :)<br>
<br>
you can use -cv to make it more verbose...<br>
<br>
if you still get no output, loose the %s in the filename as it might confuse<br>
msgfmt...<br>
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Message: 8<br>
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 19:27:55 -0300<br>
From: Marcio Padula Padula &lt;<a href="mailto:padula1000@gmail.com">padula1000@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
To: <a href="mailto:mageia-i18n@mageia.org">mageia-i18n@mageia.org</a><br>
Subject: [Mageia-i18n] translation of the donate.en.lang file to the<br>
        donate.pt-br.lang for the global mageia<br>
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Hello everyone<br>
<br>
translation of the *donate.en.lang* file to the *donate.pt-br.lang* for the<br>
global mageia<br>
<br>
*----------------------*<br>
Differences between en/donate.en.lang source and pt-br target1 notrans:<br>
<br>
;etc.<br>
e outros servi?os gerais.<br>
<br>
<br>
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*----------------------*<br>
<br>
thanks to all<br>
<br>
Padula<br>
Internationalization i18-n<br>
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