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<H1>[Mageia-dev] Update of backport, policy proposal</H1>
<B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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<I>Sun Jun 26 14:49:37 CEST 2011</I>
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<PRE>2011/6/26 Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>>:
><i> Le dimanche 26 juin 2011 à 11:58 +0300, atilla ontas a écrit :
</I>>><i> 2011/6/26 Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>>:
</I>>><i> > A short reality check from userside:
</I>>><i> >
</I>>><i> > If foo-1.0 is in Mageia 1 and foo-1.1 is released upstream
</I>>><i> >  - foo-1.1 will likely be integrated in Cauldron very soon after
</I>>><i> >  - users will request to have foo-1.1 in Mageia 1
</I>>><i> >  - if Mageia will not provide it then there will soon be local
</I>>><i> > repositories where local packagers will do a "backport" for their
</I>>><i> > friends.
</I>>><i> >
</I>>><i> > This may not be what Mageia backport policy will allow but we can not
</I>>><i> > avoid people doing and using this, no matter how many warning signs we
</I>>><i> > will publish. This has to be taken into account here.
</I>>><i> >
</I>>><i> > When a policy is found it has to be communicated very well, especially
</I>>><i> > if that policy means that the user can not have foo-1.1 in his stable
</I>>><i> > Mageia 1.
</I>>><i> >
</I>>><i> > This is important because former Mandriva users were used to get
</I>>><i> > almost all new versions backported, if not officially then in 3rd
</I>>><i> > party repos like MIB or MUD.
</I>>><i> >
</I>>><i> > --
</I>>><i> > wobo
</I>>><i> >
</I>><i>
</I>>><i> As wobo mentioned, people like latest and greatest software. I think,
</I>>><i> except a few users will use unofficial 3rd party repos to get latest
</I>>><i> software. While i was maintaining MVT (Mandriva Turkiye) repository,
</I>>><i> our users asked for GNOME 2.32 while Mandriva have GNOME 2.30 on
</I>>><i> official release.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> And others people mentioned that people want also stable software and do
</I>><i> not want changes. But as I said, what people want is not as important
</I>><i> than what we can do, and so the decision is in the end of those that do
</I>><i> the work rather than what people want, because if no one does the work,
</I>><i> nothing happen.
</I>
Well, in principle this is correct, not in this case as I have
explained as a very common example. You can decide whatever you want,
if a user wants a certain package and his friend will pack it for him
and puts it up on a server, publishing the existence - then you will
see what happens. You know by experience how popular such 3rd-party
repos can become (see MIB, MUD), just because somebody had a different
view than the official view.
In short: no matter what is more important or not, you have to find a
compromise between the (understandable) search for optimal workflow,
security on one side and the real world of the users on the other. I
think, the key here is non-technical communication of the
circumstances, like "why we can't have foo 1.2 as backport from
Cauldron to Mageia 1".
--
wobo
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