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<H1>[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1</H1>
<B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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<I>Sun Dec 18 12:46:52 CET 2011</I>
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<PRE>Op zondag 18 december 2011 11:54:17 schreef Colin Guthrie:
><i> 'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 18/12/11 10:32 did gyre and gimble:
</I>><i> > For the record, attached are three alternative [1] untested
</I>><i> > proof-of-concept patches that make kernel start on vt7.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Personally I'm not a fan of sticking to vt7. As I said in an earlier
</I>><i> thread, if the primary use case of the machine is graphical, then why
</I>><i> start at 7? It's an arbitrary choice that fitted in with other uses when
</I>><i> it was first introduced, but these days it's pretty backwards when
</I>><i> considered on it's own. The only reason to preserve it is out of habit
</I>><i> and I think that this is (generally speaking) the worst possible premise
</I>><i> to base decisions on. I mean, if we want to let people use fast user
</I>><i> switching easily they first have to learn first about vt switch command
</I>><i> ctrl+alt+Fn. Then they have to learn that the first login is on 7 and
</I>><i> the subsequent ones are on 8 etc. This doesn't make sense...
</I>><i>
</I>><i> What *should* happen is that the first one is 1.. the second one is 2 etc.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> When I'm in gnome, and I switch to tty2 for the first time, rather than
</I>><i> getty appearing wouldn't it be better if the gdm prompt appeared for a
</I>><i> second graphical login?
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I'm not suggesting that we ditch text logins completely, but I'm just
</I>><i> saying that we should try and make things generally smoother if they
</I>><i> user has already opted for a graphical system.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Switching to e.g. 7 or 8 should maybe default to providing a text login
</I>><i> and gdm should maybe present a "give me a text login" option in which
</I>><i> case that X server quits and getty replaces it.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Anything unused should timeout and quit (e.g. a getty on tty2 unused
</I>><i> should exit and wait and be re-activated as appropriate later.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> All these things are possible (maybe not without upstream support, but I
</I>><i> can ask Ray about the general plans here from a gdm perspective).
</I>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Just for reference this is how the seat extender USB things work. Little
</I>><i> thin clients that you plug into USB that give you a keyboard mouse and
</I>><i> display. When you plug it in for the first time, it registers a new seat
</I>><i> and then gives you a gdm login prompt. I don't think mutli user should
</I>><i> be much different from multi-seat in this regard.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> > BTW, I know fedora uses vt1 for X, but what about other distros, e.g.
</I>><i> > Ubuntu/Debian?
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I don't think they default to it but plenty people try to change it to
</I>><i> that according to Google.
</I>><i>
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</I>><i> Col
</I>
theoretically, i'd be in favor of on-demand vt allocation, be it graphical or
textbased.
i'd be ok with a session starting when going to other vt (default session, be
it a dm or a textbased login.) however, the dm should allow to fall back to
textbased, but there we run into a problem:
what if X is failing, you can't go back to text-login, so that's a nono
perhaps we could document that we'd preallocate F12 or something for text-
based emergency, but then noone would know...
I donno, if we don't have textbased by default, then surely vt1 has to be
forcably text-based...
new X sessions are started from the old session, so i vote that CTRL+ALT+FX
spawns a text-based login.
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