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So I guess this should be +</I>>><i> decided in union by both the web team and i18n, to maintain everyone's +</I>>><i> needs. Just my opinion on this matter... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Proper i18n support should then be explained. Django, Catalyst, likely +</I>><i> rails have support for .po and internationalisation, but maybe there is +</I>><i> a better system somewhere ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Does any people here have experience with various websites translations +</I>><i> system and some ideas to give ? +</I> +Well, I have done that for years for Mandrake/Mandriva, even into the +era when the testing of various systems started. + +The solution which worked during my years at Mandrake/Mandriva: + + - we had an organisation of web-translators (12-15 languages) with +our own mailing list. + - each translator had svn access to the website tree in his language + - whenever a change in one of the pages occurred the coordinator +(Gaël Duval) sent a mail with a diff of the change to the list + - the translator then either scp'd the page and made the changes +local, uploaded again with scp, or used a tool like emacs-tramp to +edit online + - uploading / editing was done on an intermediate server which did a +nightly push to the real webserver. + +We also cared for announcements and press releases in all our +countries. This worked very well for a couple of years. The +translators were a friendly team who also communicated a lot about +other things than work and tasks. It all fell apart when Gaël Duval +left and nobody took over. + +Seeing that this involves "raw" html editing and access to the website +tells me that this is possibly not what you want. But I never ever +experienced such an easy and quick workflow again. Nobody had to wait +for anybody else doing something for him, each of us could see the +result directly on the "intermediate" server and make fast corrections +in the middle of the night without bothering anybody else. + +Later Mandriva tried a CMS. It took a steep learning curve at the +beginning but it was ok and could have been a success, were it not for +the many bugs and crashes of the system (there were 2 people working +on it IIRC, one of them an intern who left in the middle of the +starting stage). + +Later there was no real translation organisation for the Mandriva +website any more because the website was in constant change. + +So, yes, maybe a CMS could be a solution but this also means + - a mountain of work in customizing the templates + - a good organisation of the various permission levels (must be +secure but not show-stopping, to many restrictions drive volunteers +away) + - a learning experience for most people involved + +I have some experience setting up and administrating Joomla! (I used +it for the mandrivauser.de website for a while) but in the end I found +it not flexible enough concerning permissions. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002028.html">[Mageia-i18n] I need someone to fix this … +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001976.html">[Mageia-i18n] Migration web page to translate +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2030">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2030">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2030">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2030">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">More information about the Mageia-i18n +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |