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+ <B>Marc Par&#233;</B>
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+<PRE>I was in the process of working out problems with a friend of mine who
+had trouble with her config files and I wanted to boot into &quot;safe mode&quot;
+to walk her through &quot;drakconf&quot;.
+
+When I tried to boot into safe mode it stopped at &quot;Failed to issue
+method call: Transaction is destructive&quot;. My box still boots fine into
+regular mode but won't in safe mode. What is curious also, is that I
+have another box that I am repairing for someone and it does the same
+thing, it won't boot into safe mode. However, I tried it on laptop and
+it does boot into safe mode. Weird.
+
+Anyway, any ideas on how I could get safe mode to work properly again? I
+took a camera shot of the monitor and the output on the last page of
+booting up into safe mode where it died[1].
+
+NOTE: all systems are running Mageia2
+
+Thanks for any help.
+
+Marc
+
+[1] <A HREF="http://www.parentreprise.com/images/Mageia/Photo0137.jpg">http://www.parentreprise.com/images/Mageia/Photo0137.jpg</A>
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+ <B>Doug Laidlaw</B>
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+<PRE>On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 00:04:40 -0400
+Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> I was in the process of working out problems with a friend of mine
+</I>&gt;<i> who had trouble with her config files and I wanted to boot into &quot;safe
+</I>&gt;<i> mode&quot; to walk her through &quot;drakconf&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When I tried to boot into safe mode it stopped at &quot;Failed to issue
+</I>&gt;<i> method call: Transaction is destructive&quot;. My box still boots fine
+</I>&gt;<i> into regular mode but won't in safe mode. What is curious also, is
+</I>&gt;<i> that I have another box that I am repairing for someone and it does
+</I>&gt;<i> the same thing, it won't boot into safe mode. However, I tried it on
+</I>&gt;<i> laptop and it does boot into safe mode. Weird.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyway, any ideas on how I could get safe mode to work properly
+</I>&gt;<i> again? I took a camera shot of the monitor and the output on the last
+</I>&gt;<i> page of booting up into safe mode where it died[1].
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> NOTE: all systems are running Mageia2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for any help.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [1] <A HREF="http://www.parentreprise.com/images/Mageia/Photo0137.jpg">http://www.parentreprise.com/images/Mageia/Photo0137.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>It looks as though you aren't the only one:
+<A HREF="http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=266172">http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=266172</A> and the bug
+report quoted there may be of some help. Note that Fedora uses lvm by
+default. There are other reports in Google as well.
+
+HTH,
+
+Doug.
+
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+ <B>Marc Par&#233;</B>
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+
+Le 2012-06-25 01:20, Doug Laidlaw a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 00:04:40 -0400
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc Par&#233;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I was in the process of working out problems with a friend of mine
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> who had trouble with her config files and I wanted to boot into &quot;safe
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mode&quot; to walk her through &quot;drakconf&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> When I tried to boot into safe mode it stopped at &quot;Failed to issue
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> method call: Transaction is destructive&quot;. My box still boots fine
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> into regular mode but won't in safe mode. What is curious also, is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that I have another box that I am repairing for someone and it does
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the same thing, it won't boot into safe mode. However, I tried it on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> laptop and it does boot into safe mode. Weird.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anyway, any ideas on how I could get safe mode to work properly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> again? I took a camera shot of the monitor and the output on the last
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> page of booting up into safe mode where it died[1].
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> NOTE: all systems are running Mageia2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks for any help.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [1] <A HREF="http://www.parentreprise.com/images/Mageia/Photo0137.jpg">http://www.parentreprise.com/images/Mageia/Photo0137.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It looks as though you aren't the only one:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=266172">http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=266172</A> and the bug
+</I>&gt;<i> report quoted there may be of some help. Note that Fedora uses lvm by
+</I>&gt;<i> default. There are other reports in Google as well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> HTH,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Doug.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks for the note.
+
+This is really not what I am experiencing, although perhaps having
+shared folders may be the cause of the problem. I don't imagine that if
+my system were not to be able to boot in normal mode that I would have
+the tools on me to fix the problem as I would be unable to boot into any
+safe mode.
+
+Our Mageia2 systems should be able to boot, at the very least, into safe
+mode, regardless of any prior configurations. I have 2 boxes where
+booting in safe mode is not possible.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Marc
+
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+<PRE>On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:28:57 -0400
+Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Hi Doug,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 2012-06-25 01:20, Doug Laidlaw a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 00:04:40 -0400
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Marc Par&#233;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I was in the process of working out problems with a friend of mine
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; who had trouble with her config files and I wanted to boot into
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &quot;safe mode&quot; to walk her through &quot;drakconf&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; When I tried to boot into safe mode it stopped at &quot;Failed to issue
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; method call: Transaction is destructive&quot;. My box still boots fine
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; into regular mode but won't in safe mode. What is curious also, is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; that I have another box that I am repairing for someone and it does
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the same thing, it won't boot into safe mode. However, I tried it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; on laptop and it does boot into safe mode. Weird.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Anyway, any ideas on how I could get safe mode to work properly
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; again? I took a camera shot of the monitor and the output on the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; last page of booting up into safe mode where it died[1].
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; NOTE: all systems are running Mageia2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Thanks for any help.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Marc
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; [1] <A HREF="http://www.parentreprise.com/images/Mageia/Photo0137.jpg">http://www.parentreprise.com/images/Mageia/Photo0137.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It looks as though you aren't the only one:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=266172">http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=266172</A> and the bug
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; report quoted there may be of some help. Note that Fedora uses lvm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; by default. There are other reports in Google as well.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; HTH,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Doug.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for the note.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is really not what I am experiencing, although perhaps having
+</I>&gt;<i> shared folders may be the cause of the problem. I don't imagine that
+</I>&gt;<i> if my system were not to be able to boot in normal mode that I would
+</I>&gt;<i> have the tools on me to fix the problem as I would be unable to boot
+</I>&gt;<i> into any safe mode.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Our Mageia2 systems should be able to boot, at the very least, into
+</I>&gt;<i> safe mode, regardless of any prior configurations. I have 2 boxes
+</I>&gt;<i> where booting in safe mode is not possible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I just rebooted mine into Cauldron as a test. At the Cauldron
+bootloader screen, I selected &quot;failsafe.&quot;
+
+Everything booted OK and I got a prompt saying &quot;Welcome to rescue
+mode.&quot; I don't know if that is the normal result
+for single user, but a few lines above, it said it was &quot;Reconfiguring at
+administrator request,&quot; and called a single user config. It would
+seem that your problem doesn't arise for everybody (Wouldn't it!)
+
+Doug.
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+<PRE>m&#229;ndagen den 25 juni 2012 09.30.26 skrev Doug Laidlaw:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:28:57 -0400
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi Doug,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 2012-06-25 01:20, Doug Laidlaw a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 00:04:40 -0400
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Marc Par&#233;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; I was in the process of working out problems with a friend of mine
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; who had trouble with her config files and I wanted to boot into
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;safe mode&quot; to walk her through &quot;drakconf&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; When I tried to boot into safe mode it stopped at &quot;Failed to issue
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; method call: Transaction is destructive&quot;. My box still boots fine
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; into regular mode but won't in safe mode. What is curious also, is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; that I have another box that I am repairing for someone and it does
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; the same thing, it won't boot into safe mode. However, I tried it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; on laptop and it does boot into safe mode. Weird.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; Anyway, any ideas on how I could get safe mode to work properly
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; again? I took a camera shot of the monitor and the output on the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; last page of booting up into safe mode where it died[1].
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; NOTE: all systems are running Mageia2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; Thanks for any help.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; Marc
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; [1] <A HREF="http://www.parentreprise.com/images/Mageia/Photo0137.jpg">http://www.parentreprise.com/images/Mageia/Photo0137.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; It looks as though you aren't the only one:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; <A HREF="http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=266172">http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=266172</A> and the bug
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; report quoted there may be of some help. Note that Fedora uses lvm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; by default. There are other reports in Google as well.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; HTH,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Doug.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks for the note.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is really not what I am experiencing, although perhaps having
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; shared folders may be the cause of the problem. I don't imagine that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; if my system were not to be able to boot in normal mode that I would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; have the tools on me to fix the problem as I would be unable to boot
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; into any safe mode.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Our Mageia2 systems should be able to boot, at the very least, into
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; safe mode, regardless of any prior configurations. I have 2 boxes
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; where booting in safe mode is not possible.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just rebooted mine into Cauldron as a test. At the Cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> bootloader screen, I selected &quot;failsafe.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Everything booted OK and I got a prompt saying &quot;Welcome to rescue
+</I>&gt;<i> mode.&quot; I don't know if that is the normal result
+</I>&gt;<i> for single user, but a few lines above, it said it was &quot;Reconfiguring at
+</I>&gt;<i> administrator request,&quot; and called a single user config. It would
+</I>&gt;<i> seem that your problem doesn't arise for everybody (Wouldn't it!)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Doug.
+</I>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5381">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5381</A> ?
+
+--
+Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
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+<PRE>Thanks Morgan
+
+Le 2012-06-25 04:16, Morgan Leijstr&#246;m a &#233;crit :
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5381">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5381</A> ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hmmm, if this is the problem, would there have been a fix during one of
+the updates? The bug is dated this past April.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Marc
+
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+<PRE>m&#229;ndagen den 25 juni 2012 10.51.35 skrev Marc Par&#233;:
+&gt;<i> Thanks Morgan
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 2012-06-25 04:16, Morgan Leijstr&#246;m a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5381">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5381</A> ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmmm, if this is the problem, would there have been a fix during one of
+</I>&gt;<i> the updates? The bug is dated this past April.
+</I>
+That update (or possible something else?) fixed the problem for me
+
+Maybe the issue was not understood
+Or it is a completely different cause but same result?
+
+As first step i think you should reopen and comment on that bug.
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+Plain M2 :-) Every time I started Thunderbird I got a message that it
+couldn't locate the local mail spool (can't remember the exact words).
+ Assuming it meant /var/spool/mail/anne, I touched that, owned
+anne:mail (I tried root, too), but now the message is &quot;Unable to
+truncate spool file /var/spool/mail/anne&quot;.
+
+I don't have the problem on the Cauldron netbook, so I checked there,
+and there is no /var/spool/mail/anne - so I guess something has
+changed wrt local mail. Are we now talking about
+~/.local/share/local-mail/ ? What do I need to do now?
+
+Anne
+- --
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+Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">annew at kde.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
+</I>&gt;<i> Hash: SHA1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Plain M2 :-) Every time I started Thunderbird I got a message that it
+</I>&gt;<i> couldn't locate the local mail spool (can't remember the exact words).
+</I>&gt;<i> Assuming it meant /var/spool/mail/anne, I touched that, owned
+</I>&gt;<i> anne:mail (I tried root, too), but now the message is &quot;Unable to
+</I>&gt;<i> truncate spool file /var/spool/mail/anne&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't have the problem on the Cauldron netbook, so I checked there,
+</I>&gt;<i> and there is no /var/spool/mail/anne - so I guess something has
+</I>&gt;<i> changed wrt local mail. Are we now talking about
+</I>&gt;<i> ~/.local/share/local-mail/ ? What do I need to do now?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> - --
+</I>/var/spool/mail/anne is the system mailbox for user anne. Thunderbird
+will be putting your mail somewhere else. I suspect that it will be a
+dot-directory under /home/anne, perhaps a subdirectory of
+your .mozilla directory.
+
+I think that TB uses the mbox file format. That means that your inbox
+will be one big file. Perhaps TB is trying to delete the old mails,
+hence &quot;truncate.&quot;
+
+HTH,
+
+Doug.
+
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+ <B>Doug Laidlaw</B>
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+Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">annew at kde.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
+</I>&gt;<i> Hash: SHA1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Plain M2 :-) Every time I started Thunderbird I got a message that it
+</I>&gt;<i> couldn't locate the local mail spool (can't remember the exact words).
+</I>&gt;<i> Assuming it meant /var/spool/mail/anne, I touched that, owned
+</I>&gt;<i> anne:mail (I tried root, too), but now the message is &quot;Unable to
+</I>&gt;<i> truncate spool file /var/spool/mail/anne&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't have the problem on the Cauldron netbook, so I checked there,
+</I>&gt;<i> and there is no at all. I suspect that it will be in a d - so I
+</I>&gt;<i> guess something has changed wrt local mail. Are we now talking about
+</I>&gt;<i> ~/.local/share/local-mail/ ? What do I need to do now?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> - --
+</I>&gt;<i> Need KDE help? Try
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://userbase.kde.org">http://userbase.kde.org</A> or
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://forum.kde.org">http://forum.kde.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
+</I>&gt;<i> Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux)
+</I>&gt;<i> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - <A HREF="http://enigmail.mozdev.org/">http://enigmail.mozdev.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> iEYEARECAAYFAk/oP0YACgkQj93fyh4cnBcYRQCfS3gwREG4gPYYYl1D7v9kAE9S
+</I>&gt;<i> vtAAoIPZ8oEOt1ovUr7RGwoGcTGDU5wn
+</I>&gt;<i> =zcRZ
+</I>&gt;<i> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> !DSPAM:4fe83fcb37146230912376!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+/var/spool/mail/anne is the address of your local mailbox for user
+anne. Your mauilbox for Thuunderbird will be somewhere else. For
+example, I download mail into /var/spool/mail/doug, and my email client
+(kmail, currently claws-mail) moves it to the client's mailbox. If you
+are downloading mail diectly from the Internet with Thunderbird, you
+won't be using /var/spool/mail/anne
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+Doug Laidlaw &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">laidlaws at hotkey.net.au</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 11:36:56 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">annew at kde.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hash: SHA1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Plain M2 :-) Every time I started Thunderbird I got a message that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it couldn't locate the local mail spool (can't remember the exact
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; words). Assuming it meant /var/spool/mail/anne, I touched that,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; owned anne:mail (I tried root, too), but now the message is &quot;Unable
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to truncate spool file /var/spool/mail/anne&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I don't have the problem on the Cauldron netbook, so I checked
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; there, and there is no /var/spool/mail/anne - so I guess something
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; has changed wrt local mail. Are we now talking about
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ~/.local/share/local-mail/ ? What do I need to do now?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - --
+</I>&gt;<i> /var/spool/mail/anne is the system mailbox for user anne. Thunderbird
+</I>&gt;<i> will be putting your mail somewhere else. I suspect that it will be a
+</I>&gt;<i> dot-directory under /home/anne, perhaps a subdirectory of
+</I>&gt;<i> your .mozilla directory.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that TB uses the mbox file format. That means that your inbox
+</I>&gt;<i> will be one big file. Perhaps TB is trying to delete the old mails,
+</I>&gt;<i> hence &quot;truncate.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> HTH,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Doug.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Sorry about the two emails. The first one just disappeared from my
+composer window, and I thought it was cancelled.
+
+Doug.
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+ <B>Norbert Marchl</B>
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 11:36:56 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne Wilson&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">annew at kde.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hash: SHA1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Plain M2 :-) Every time I started Thunderbird I got a message that it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> couldn't locate the local mail spool (can't remember the exact words).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Assuming it meant /var/spool/mail/anne, I touched that, owned
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> anne:mail (I tried root, too), but now the message is &quot;Unable to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> truncate spool file /var/spool/mail/anne&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't have the problem on the Cauldron netbook, so I checked there,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and there is no /var/spool/mail/anne - so I guess something has
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> changed wrt local mail. Are we now talking about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ~/.local/share/local-mail/ ? What do I need to do now?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - --
+</I>&gt;<i> /var/spool/mail/anne is the system mailbox for user anne. Thunderbird
+</I>&gt;<i> will be putting your mail somewhere else. I suspect that it will be a
+</I>&gt;<i> dot-directory under /home/anne, perhaps a subdirectory of
+</I>&gt;<i> your .mozilla directory.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that TB uses the mbox file format. That means that your inbox
+</I>&gt;<i> will be one big file. Perhaps TB is trying to delete the old mails,
+</I>&gt;<i> hence &quot;truncate.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> HTH,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Doug.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Try a look in the folder: /home/.thunderbird/w18nngb3.defaul/Mail.
+
+I cant say what under .thunderbird is the same on you install. In the
+folder Mail I have four subfolders and one of this has the name as the
+Server name in the Server-adjustment for the POP-Server. Here I found
+the files for my folders (if created to sort mails). I hope this helps
+
+Norbert
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+ <B>James Kerr</B>
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+<PRE>On 25/06/2012 11:36, Anne Wilson wrote:
+&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
+</I>&gt;<i> Hash: SHA1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Plain M2 :-) Every time I started Thunderbird I got a message that it
+</I>&gt;<i> couldn't locate the local mail spool (can't remember the exact words).
+</I>&gt;<i> Assuming it meant /var/spool/mail/anne, I touched that, owned
+</I>&gt;<i> anne:mail (I tried root, too), but now the message is &quot;Unable to
+</I>&gt;<i> truncate spool file /var/spool/mail/anne&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't have the problem on the Cauldron netbook, so I checked there,
+</I>&gt;<i> and there is no /var/spool/mail/anne - so I guess something has
+</I>&gt;<i> changed wrt local mail. Are we now talking about
+</I>&gt;<i> ~/.local/share/local-mail/ ? What do I need to do now?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I don't have this problem. I use postfix to deliver system mails to
+/var/spool/mail/jim. (I don't use it for any other purpose.) Thunderbird
+collects those and stores them in
+~/.thunderbird/xxx.default/Mail/localhost/inbox (where xxx is an
+alphanumeric string). /var/spool/mail/jim is owned by jim.
+
+The process is the same on both my Mageia2 and cauldron installations.
+
+That error message suggests to me that there is something about the file
+in /var/spool/mail/anne that is not what thunderbird expects, but I've
+no idea what that might be. The only thought I have is that for some
+reason that file is read only instead of read/write.
+
+Jim
+
+
+
+
+
+
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+&gt;<i> On 25/06/2012 11:36, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hash: SHA1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Plain M2 :-) Every time I started Thunderbird I got a message that it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> couldn't locate the local mail spool (can't remember the exact words).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Assuming it meant /var/spool/mail/anne, I touched that, owned
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> anne:mail (I tried root, too), but now the message is &quot;Unable to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> truncate spool file /var/spool/mail/anne&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't have the problem on the Cauldron netbook, so I checked there,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and there is no /var/spool/mail/anne - so I guess something has
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> changed wrt local mail. Are we now talking about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ~/.local/share/local-mail/ ? What do I need to do now?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't have this problem. I use postfix to deliver system mails to
+</I>&gt;<i> /var/spool/mail/jim. (I don't use it for any other purpose.) Thunderbird
+</I>&gt;<i> collects those and stores them in
+</I>&gt;<i> ~/.thunderbird/xxx.default/Mail/localhost/inbox (where xxx is an
+</I>&gt;<i> alphanumeric string). /var/spool/mail/jim is owned by jim.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The process is the same on both my Mageia2 and cauldron installations.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That error message suggests to me that there is something about the file
+</I>&gt;<i> in /var/spool/mail/anne that is not what thunderbird expects, but I've
+</I>&gt;<i> no idea what that might be. The only thought I have is that for some
+</I>&gt;<i> reason that file is read only instead of read/write.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Jim
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Sorry - one point that I forgot to mention. /var/spool/mail/anne is only
+created when the first message is delivered and so thunderbird reports
+that it cannot find it until mails start being delivered to it.
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+James Kerr &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jim at jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> On 25/06/2012 12:54, James Kerr wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 25/06/2012 11:36, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hash: SHA1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Plain M2 :-) Every time I started Thunderbird I got a message
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; that it couldn't locate the local mail spool (can't remember the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; exact words). Assuming it meant /var/spool/mail/anne, I touched
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; that, owned anne:mail (I tried root, too), but now the message is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &quot;Unable to truncate spool file /var/spool/mail/anne&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I don't have the problem on the Cauldron netbook, so I checked
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; there, and there is no /var/spool/mail/anne - so I guess something
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; has changed wrt local mail. Are we now talking about
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ~/.local/share/local-mail/ ? What do I need to do now?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I don't have this problem. I use postfix to deliver system mails to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /var/spool/mail/jim. (I don't use it for any other purpose.)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thunderbird collects those and stores them in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ~/.thunderbird/xxx.default/Mail/localhost/inbox (where xxx is an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; alphanumeric string). /var/spool/mail/jim is owned by jim.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The process is the same on both my Mageia2 and cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; installations.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That error message suggests to me that there is something about the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; file in /var/spool/mail/anne that is not what thunderbird expects,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; but I've no idea what that might be. The only thought I have is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that for some reason that file is read only instead of read/write.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Jim
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry - one point that I forgot to mention. /var/spool/mail/anne is
+</I>&gt;<i> only created when the first message is delivered and so thunderbird
+</I>&gt;<i> reports that it cannot find it until mails start being delivered to
+</I>&gt;<i> it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>But you use Postfix. I use getmail. Both deliver mail
+to /var/spool/mail/user. If Anne is downloading her mail directly via
+POP, /var/spool/mail/anne will never be used. Kmail is like that. In
+both cases, the mail is placed in the appropriate place in $HOME.
+I am running getmail as user, so I had to create /var/spool/mail/doug
+manually. It is an mbox file, so can be created with &quot;touch.&quot; Postfix
+runs as root, and can create the spool if necessary.
+
+It did occur to me that the config screens may say what the directories
+are, but it looks as though $HOME/.thunderbird is the place to look.
+
+Doug.
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+Doug Laidlaw &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">laidlaws at hotkey.net.au</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> But you use Postfix. I use getmail. Both deliver mail
+</I>&gt;<i> to /var/spool/mail/user. If Anne is downloading her mail directly via
+</I>&gt;<i> POP, /var/spool/mail/anne will never be used. Kmail is like that. In
+</I>&gt;<i> both cases, the mail is placed in the appropriate place in $HOME.
+</I>&gt;<i> I am running getmail as user, so I had to create /var/spool/mail/doug
+</I>&gt;<i> manually. It is an mbox file, so can be created with &quot;touch.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> Postfix runs as root, and can create the spool if necessary.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It did occur to me that the config screens may say what the
+</I>&gt;<i> directories are, but it looks as though $HOME/.thunderbird is the
+</I>&gt;<i> place to look.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Doug.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Of course, if Anne _is_ using a local mail server, Thunderbird must
+point to /var/spool/mail/anne. But she can receive mail on the
+notebook, where that file doesn't exist, so I assume she is using
+straight POP or IMAP.
+
+Doug.
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+&gt;<i> Plain M2 :-) Every time I started Thunderbird I got a message that it
+</I>&gt;<i> couldn't locate the local mail spool (can't remember the exact words).
+</I>&gt;<i> Assuming it meant /var/spool/mail/anne, I touched that, owned
+</I>&gt;<i> anne:mail (I tried root, too), but now the message is &quot;Unable to
+</I>&gt;<i> truncate spool file /var/spool/mail/anne&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Try running TB under strace, e. g.
+
+ strace -f -o /tmp/strace -e trace=open,read,write thunderbird
+
+and check the /tmp/strace output for an open or I/O error related to
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:21:24 +1000
+</I>&gt;<i> Doug Laidlaw &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">laidlaws at hotkey.net.au</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But you use Postfix. I use getmail. Both deliver mail
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to /var/spool/mail/user. If Anne is downloading her mail directly via
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> POP, /var/spool/mail/anne will never be used. Kmail is like that. In
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> both cases, the mail is placed in the appropriate place in $HOME.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am running getmail as user, so I had to create /var/spool/mail/doug
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> manually. It is an mbox file, so can be created with &quot;touch.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Postfix runs as root, and can create the spool if necessary.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It did occur to me that the config screens may say what the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> directories are, but it looks as though $HOME/.thunderbird is the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> place to look.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Doug.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, if Anne _is_ using a local mail server, Thunderbird must
+</I>&gt;<i> point to /var/spool/mail/anne. But she can receive mail on the
+</I>&gt;<i> notebook, where that file doesn't exist, so I assume she is using
+</I>&gt;<i> straight POP or IMAP.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+If indeed Anne is using POP or IMAP to collect &quot;local&quot; mail then I don't
+think she needs to configure a Unix Movemail account in thunderbird. I
+believe it is that account that is looking at /var/spool/mail/anne.
+Perhaps she has such an account on Mageia 2 but not in cauldron, which
+would explain why she does not see the error messages on cauldron.
+
+Jim
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+On 25/06/12 11:55, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 11:36:56 +0100 Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">annew at kde.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Plain M2 :-) Every time I started Thunderbird I got a message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that it couldn't locate the local mail spool (can't remember the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> exact words). Assuming it meant /var/spool/mail/anne, I touched
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that, owned anne:mail (I tried root, too), but now the message is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Unable to truncate spool file /var/spool/mail/anne&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't have the problem on the Cauldron netbook, so I checked
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> there, and there is no /var/spool/mail/anne - so I guess
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> something has changed wrt local mail. Are we now talking about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ~/.local/share/local-mail/ ? What do I need to do now?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anne - --
+</I>&gt;<i> /var/spool/mail/anne is the system mailbox for user anne.
+</I>&gt;<i> Thunderbird will be putting your mail somewhere else. I suspect
+</I>&gt;<i> that it will be a dot-directory under /home/anne, perhaps a
+</I>&gt;<i> subdirectory of your .mozilla directory.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that TB uses the mbox file format. That means that your
+</I>&gt;<i> inbox will be one big file. Perhaps TB is trying to delete the
+</I>&gt;<i> old mails, hence &quot;truncate.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>That makes sense, yes. I had assumed that it was talking about system
+messages, which I would expect to be in /var/spool/mail/anne.
+
+I am using IMAP - not Disconnected IMAP - IOW, I don't store mail
+locally (though I did previously), so that shouldn't be the problem.
+All the same, I'll give it some thought.
+
+Thanks
+
+Anne
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+On 25/06/12 12:54, James Kerr wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 25/06/2012 11:36, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Plain M2 :-) Every time I started Thunderbird I got a message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that it couldn't locate the local mail spool (can't remember the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> exact words). Assuming it meant /var/spool/mail/anne, I touched
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that, owned anne:mail (I tried root, too), but now the message is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Unable to truncate spool file /var/spool/mail/anne&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't have the problem on the Cauldron netbook, so I checked
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> there, and there is no /var/spool/mail/anne - so I guess
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> something has changed wrt local mail. Are we now talking about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ~/.local/share/local-mail/ ? What do I need to do now?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't have this problem. I use postfix to deliver system mails
+</I>&gt;<i> to /var/spool/mail/jim. (I don't use it for any other purpose.)
+</I>&gt;<i> Thunderbird collects those and stores them in
+</I>&gt;<i> ~/.thunderbird/xxx.default/Mail/localhost/inbox (where xxx is an
+</I>&gt;<i> alphanumeric string). /var/spool/mail/jim is owned by jim.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The process is the same on both my Mageia2 and cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> installations.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That error message suggests to me that there is something about the
+</I>&gt;<i> file in /var/spool/mail/anne that is not what thunderbird expects,
+</I>&gt;<i> but I've no idea what that might be. The only thought I have is
+</I>&gt;<i> that for some reason that file is read only instead of read/write.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>The only file that was in /var/spool/mail/ before I created that file
+was 'postfix'. When I checked the Cauldron netbook, that was the
+situation there too, so clearly this is not what it was referring to.
+
+I have /home/anne/.thunderbird/4upsp8fe.default/Mail/Local Folders/
+where there is absolutely nothing in the Inbox. There is a Saved
+folder their, containing a single saved message.
+
+- -rw------- 1 anne users 28775 Jan 31 09:54 Saved
+- -rw-r--r-- 1 anne users 2838 Jun 25 16:05 Saved.msf
+
+This is clearly carried over from my Fedora installation.
+
+- -rw-r----- 1 anne anne 0 Jun 22 11:36 Inbox
+- -rw-rw-r-- 1 anne anne 2217 Jun 25 16:04 Inbox.msf
+
+I'm lost.
+
+Anne
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+On 25/06/12 13:21, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 13:06:45 +0100 James Kerr
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jim at jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 25/06/2012 12:54, James Kerr wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 25/06/2012 11:36, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Plain M2 :-) Every time I started Thunderbird I got a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> message that it couldn't locate the local mail spool (can't
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> remember the exact words). Assuming it meant
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /var/spool/mail/anne, I touched that, owned anne:mail (I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tried root, too), but now the message is &quot;Unable to truncate
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> spool file /var/spool/mail/anne&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't have the problem on the Cauldron netbook, so I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> checked there, and there is no /var/spool/mail/anne - so I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> guess something has changed wrt local mail. Are we now
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> talking about ~/.local/share/local-mail/ ? What do I need to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> do now?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't have this problem. I use postfix to deliver system
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mails to /var/spool/mail/jim. (I don't use it for any other
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> purpose.) Thunderbird collects those and stores them in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ~/.thunderbird/xxx.default/Mail/localhost/inbox (where xxx is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> an alphanumeric string). /var/spool/mail/jim is owned by jim.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The process is the same on both my Mageia2 and cauldron
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> installations.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That error message suggests to me that there is something about
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the file in /var/spool/mail/anne that is not what thunderbird
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> expects, but I've no idea what that might be. The only thought
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I have is that for some reason that file is read only instead
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of read/write.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Jim
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry - one point that I forgot to mention. /var/spool/mail/anne
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is only created when the first message is delivered and so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> thunderbird reports that it cannot find it until mails start
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> being delivered to it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But you use Postfix. I use getmail. Both deliver mail to
+</I>&gt;<i> /var/spool/mail/user. If Anne is downloading her mail directly
+</I>&gt;<i> via POP, /var/spool/mail/anne will never be used.
+</I>
+I have a dovecot IMAP server. Procmail sorts the mail into
+directories on my server. The only use I would expect in
+/var/spool/mail is if the system needs to send a message - and that
+normally would be to root. Of course root is aliased to one of my
+mail accounts.
+
+&gt;<i> Kmail is like that. In both cases, the mail is placed in the
+</I>&gt;<i> appropriate place in $HOME. I am running getmail as user, so I had
+</I>&gt;<i> to create /var/spool/mail/doug manually. It is an mbox file, so
+</I>&gt;<i> can be created with &quot;touch.&quot; Postfix runs as root, and can create
+</I>&gt;<i> the spool if necessary.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I did touch it - but I think it's really not relevant.
+
+&gt;<i> It did occur to me that the config screens may say what the
+</I>&gt;<i> directories are, but it looks as though $HOME/.thunderbird is the
+</I>&gt;<i> place to look.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks anyway
+
+Anne
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+On 25/06/12 14:05, James Kerr wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 25/06/2012 13:28, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:21:24 +1000 Doug Laidlaw
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">laidlaws at hotkey.net.au</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But you use Postfix. I use getmail. Both deliver mail to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /var/spool/mail/user. If Anne is downloading her mail
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> directly via POP, /var/spool/mail/anne will never be used.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Kmail is like that. In both cases, the mail is placed in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> appropriate place in $HOME. I am running getmail as user, so I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> had to create /var/spool/mail/doug manually. It is an mbox
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file, so can be created with &quot;touch.&quot; Postfix runs as root, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can create the spool if necessary.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It did occur to me that the config screens may say what the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> directories are, but it looks as though $HOME/.thunderbird is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the place to look.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Doug.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Of course, if Anne _is_ using a local mail server, Thunderbird
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> must point to /var/spool/mail/anne. But she can receive mail on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the notebook, where that file doesn't exist, so I assume she is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> using straight POP or IMAP.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If indeed Anne is using POP or IMAP to collect &quot;local&quot; mail then I
+</I>&gt;<i> don't think she needs to configure a Unix Movemail account in
+</I>&gt;<i> thunderbird. I believe it is that account that is looking at
+</I>&gt;<i> /var/spool/mail/anne. Perhaps she has such an account on Mageia 2
+</I>&gt;<i> but not in cauldron, which would explain why she does not see the
+</I>&gt;<i> error messages on cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>To be honest I don't recall ever hearing of movemail before this, so I
+don't know where it comes from.
+
+Anne
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">4FE8814C.7020003 at kde.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But you use Postfix. I use getmail. Both deliver mail to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /var/spool/mail/user. If Anne is downloading her mail directly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> via POP, /var/spool/mail/anne will never be used.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>I have a dovecot IMAP server. Procmail sorts the mail into
+</I>&gt;<i>directories on my server. The only use I would expect in
+</I>&gt;<i>/var/spool/mail is if the system needs to send a message - and that
+</I>&gt;<i>normally would be to root. Of course root is aliased to one of my
+</I>&gt;<i>mail accounts.
+</I>
+Hi Anne,
+
+So, if you use imap locally, as it sounds like you do, then Thunderbird
+has no place in even trying to touch /var/spool/mail/anne . In this case,
+if /var/spool/mail/anne is seperate from your regular mail account, I
+think you may want to tell dovecot about it so it can serve it over imap
+to thunderbird. Having postfix, dovecot, and thunderbird all trying to
+access /var/spool/mail/anne and even attempting locks on it might give all
+sort of issues.
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+</I>&gt;<i> On 25/06/12 11:55, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 11:36:56 +0100 Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">annew at kde.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Plain M2 :-) Every time I started Thunderbird I got a message
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that it couldn't locate the local mail spool (can't remember the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> exact words). Assuming it meant /var/spool/mail/anne, I touched
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that, owned anne:mail (I tried root, too), but now the message is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Unable to truncate spool file /var/spool/mail/anne&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't have the problem on the Cauldron netbook, so I checked
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> there, and there is no /var/spool/mail/anne - so I guess
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> something has changed wrt local mail. Are we now talking about
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ~/.local/share/local-mail/ ? What do I need to do now?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anne - --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /var/spool/mail/anne is the system mailbox for user anne.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thunderbird will be putting your mail somewhere else. I suspect
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that it will be a dot-directory under /home/anne, perhaps a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> subdirectory of your .mozilla directory.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think that TB uses the mbox file format. That means that your
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> inbox will be one big file. Perhaps TB is trying to delete the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> old mails, hence &quot;truncate.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That makes sense, yes. I had assumed that it was talking about system
+</I>&gt;<i> messages, which I would expect to be in /var/spool/mail/anne.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+System messages will be in /var/spool/mail/anne, only if your MTA is
+configured to deliver them there. Otherwise, IIRC, they end up in /.
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+Jim
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+On 25/06/12 16:29, Remco Rijnders wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 04:18:36PM +0100, Anne wrote in
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">4FE8814C.7020003 at kde.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But you use Postfix. I use getmail. Both deliver mail to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /var/spool/mail/user. If Anne is downloading her mail directly
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> via POP, /var/spool/mail/anne will never be used.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have a dovecot IMAP server. Procmail sorts the mail into
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> directories on my server. The only use I would expect in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /var/spool/mail is if the system needs to send a message - and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that normally would be to root. Of course root is aliased to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> one of my mail accounts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Anne,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, if you use imap locally, as it sounds like you do, then
+</I>&gt;<i> Thunderbird has no place in even trying to touch
+</I>&gt;<i> /var/spool/mail/anne . In this case, if /var/spool/mail/anne is
+</I>&gt;<i> seperate from your regular mail account, I think you may want to
+</I>&gt;<i> tell dovecot about it so it can serve it over imap to thunderbird.
+</I>&gt;<i> Having postfix, dovecot, and thunderbird all trying to access
+</I>&gt;<i> /var/spool/mail/anne and even attempting locks on it might give all
+</I>&gt;<i> sort of issues.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hi, Remmy. No, the IMAP server is on a different box. This laptop is
+pure client.
+
+It's odd, but I may have solved the problem. That said, I still don't
+understand why. During the time I've been trying to solve this, I
+have made two changes. First I added a newline character in
+/var/spool/mail/anne - this seems to have disappeared, so I doubt if
+that was the reason. The other change was to make the ownership
+anne:mail. Maybe that helped? I don't know.
+
+I tried Frank's strace suggestion - and saw practically nothing
+(Gtk-Message: Failed to load module &quot;canberra-gtk-module&quot;), so I tried
+logging out and in, and restarting, to see if the problem was
+triggered by first-time use in either of these situations, but I
+didn't get the message on either occasion. Perhaps it's cured.
+
+Anne
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+&gt;&gt;<i> So, if you use imap locally, as it sounds like you do, then
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thunderbird has no place in even trying to touch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /var/spool/mail/anne . In this case, if /var/spool/mail/anne is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> seperate from your regular mail account, I think you may want to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tell dovecot about it so it can serve it over imap to thunderbird.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Having postfix, dovecot, and thunderbird all trying to access
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /var/spool/mail/anne and even attempting locks on it might give all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sort of issues.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Hi, Remmy. No, the IMAP server is on a different box. This laptop is
+</I>&gt;<i>pure client.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>It's odd, but I may have solved the problem. That said, I still don't
+</I>&gt;<i>understand why. During the time I've been trying to solve this, I
+</I>&gt;<i>have made two changes. First I added a newline character in
+</I>&gt;<i>/var/spool/mail/anne - this seems to have disappeared, so I doubt if
+</I>&gt;<i>that was the reason. The other change was to make the ownership
+</I>&gt;<i>anne:mail. Maybe that helped? I don't know.
+</I>
+Well, glad to hear it is solved! I have the feeling the permissions /
+ownership may have had the most to do with it, but as I don't know what
+they were like priorly, that's just a guess.
+
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+ <B>Doug Laidlaw</B>
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+<PRE>On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 16:20:00 +0100
+Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">annew at kde.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Of course, if Anne _is_ using a local mail server, Thunderbird
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; must point to /var/spool/mail/anne. But she can receive mail on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the notebook, where that file doesn't exist, so I assume she is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; using straight POP or IMAP.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If indeed Anne is using POP or IMAP to collect &quot;local&quot; mail then I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; don't think she needs to configure a Unix Movemail account in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; thunderbird. I believe it is that account that is looking at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /var/spool/mail/anne. Perhaps she has such an account on Mageia 2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; but not in cauldron, which would explain why she does not see the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; error messages on cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To be honest I don't recall ever hearing of movemail before this, so I
+</I>&gt;<i> don't know where it comes from.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>
+Me either. &quot;Local&quot; mail, the mail that collects in /var/spool/mail, is
+often generated by the system. I have 3 user accounts (one for a user
+that no longer exists.) Postfix was installed because something
+else needs it, and has a mailbox as well. At the moment postfix has 500
+KB in it, which will all be system messages that I don't worry about.
+The others are all empty. My doug account was cleaned out when I read
+mail with Claws.
+
+If you have a mail server on your computer, that collects mail from the
+Web and distributes it to users on your network, it will be placed
+initially in /var/spool/mail/xxxx. I use getmail to put it there then
+run it through dspam, to filter out the spam. Before then, I just
+downloaded my mail by POP straight into ~/.kde4/kmail/mail. You will
+be doing much the same. IMAP seems to use dovecot or similar, but I
+know nothing about it. My ISP supports IMAP, but I don't need it. It
+seems to have value only for people who get their mail at different
+locations.
+
+I suppose that if you are like me, you have run through your Thunderbird
+config a dozen times. I am inclined to copy the working config
+you have on the notebook, but others tell me it is bad practice. You
+need to tell Thunderbird to collect mail from your ISP, but your
+problem seems to have something to do with permissions. It should be
+able to read your &quot;anne&quot; mailbox in the spool and truncate it, because
+it should be owned by user anne and group mail, but for a simple POP
+account, it should be looking at one of the files in
+ /home/anne/.thunderbird/4upsp8fe.default/Mail/Local Folders/ You
+ could try running &quot;locate -i Inbox&quot; to find out where your Inbox is.
+
+The other thought is that the 4upsp8fe.default is a user directory as
+with Mozilla. Is there another one alongside it? Thunderbird may be
+looking at the wrong one?
+
+You can redirect system mail, like my 500K in Postfix, to go to your
+user account. I simply trust the system.
+
+Since I haven't used Thunderbird for a long time, I can't offer any
+specific help.
+
+Doug.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If indeed Anne is using POP or IMAP to collect &quot;local&quot; mail then I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> think she needs to configure a Unix Movemail account in thunderbird. I
+</I>&gt;<i> believe it is that account that is looking at /var/spool/mail/anne.
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps she has such an account on Mageia 2 but not in cauldron, which
+</I>&gt;<i> would explain why she does not see the error messages on cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Jim
+</I>
+On 06/25/2012 05:20 PM, Anne Wilson wrote:
+ &gt; To be honest I don't recall ever hearing of movemail before this, so I
+ &gt; don't know where it comes from.
+ &gt;
+
+The answer from Jim is the essential thing - no need to mess around with
+/var/spool/mailo/anne - Thunderbird can do all this for you, you just
+need to create an additional Thunderbird account of type &quot;Movemail&quot;. But
+it may appear somewhat devious to do this, Thunderbird playing
+hide-and-seek with you:
+
+Try to come to the &quot;Account actions&quot; tab in Thunderbird and, there, hit
+the &quot;Add other accounts&quot; button. That gives you a radio button, one of
+its choices beeing &quot;Unix Mailspool (Movemail)&quot;. Once you are there, you
+should be on safe ground to create the special Thunderbird &quot;Movemail&quot;
+account (what Thunderbird calls an &quot;account&quot;) that collects mail from
+the Unix /var/spool/mail/anne.
+
+Where Thunderbird stores the local folders for this account is a totally
+independant issue, to set this up you proceed just as for ordinary
+thunderbird accounts.
+
+I use such an account all the time to collect the messages created
+locally, for instance by msec - works great.
+
+Juergen
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+&gt;<i> It's odd, but I may have solved the problem. That said, I still don't
+</I>&gt;<i> understand why. During the time I've been trying to solve this, I have
+</I>&gt;<i> made two changes. First I added a newline character in
+</I>&gt;<i> /var/spool/mail/anne - this seems to have disappeared, so I doubt if
+</I>&gt;<i> that was the reason. The other change was to make the ownership
+</I>&gt;<i> anne:mail. Maybe that helped?
+</I>
+I thought you had posted earlier that you changed the ownership to
+anne:mail and that didn't help ? That is the correct ownership.
+
+If you're using IMAP through TB, your mail folders will be under
+$HOME/.thunderbird/xxx.default/ImapMail/servername. The problem you
+describe with /var/spool/mail/anne can only occur if your MTA (postfix)
+doesn't have write authority to that file. In fact, I notice on my
+system that my /var/spool/mail/ftg file has ownership ftg:mail, but the
+permissions are only rw-------, so I guess postfix must be assuming an
+euid of the recipient before trying to write to the file, i. e. the
+group shouldn't matter.
+
+In any case, if you can do
+ mail anne
+ Subject: Test
+ line 1
+ CTRL-D
+
+and it gets through to /var/spool/mail/anne, then it's working. If it's
+not, try renaimng the file as root, rerun the test, and see what gets
+created for that file.
+
+If you still see the message, try to identify what's issuing it. It's
+possible that if TB somehow got hooked up with that file, it may be
+trying to auto-compact it or something.
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+Doug Laidlaw &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">laidlaws at hotkey.net.au</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> The other thought is that the 4upsp8fe.default is a user directory as
+</I>&gt;<i> with Mozilla. Is there another one alongside it? Thunderbird may be
+</I>&gt;<i> looking at the wrong one?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+My only other thought was to create a new profile. I have done this
+with Mozilla. The procedure for Thunderbird should be much the same,
+and will be on the Thunderbird page at mozilla.org. It should get rid
+of any permission problems. Since you may have it solved anyway, you
+probably don't need to take that step.
+
+Going to bed. 1t is 02:35 here.
+
+Doug.
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+<PRE>On 06/21/2012 10:18 PM, Jim Whitby wrote:
+&lt;snip&gt;
+
+I have managed to put together the files needed for hylafax, probably
+not optimal, but working.
+The server file ( hylafax-server.service) is placed in etc/systemd/system.
+Contains:
+
+[Unit]
+Description=Daemon for hylafax server
+After=syslog.target
+
+[Service]
+ExecStart=/usr/sbin/faxq
+Type=forking
+
+[Install]
+WantedBy=multi-user.target
+
+
+A template file ( <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">faxgetty at .service</A> ) is linked to
+/etc/systemd/system/<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">faxgetty at ttyS0.service.</A>
+This will start a faxgetty on ttyS0 as a daemon and restart as needed.
+If I need another fax getty on ttyS1 then I just create a new link with
+the name S1 instead of S0.
+
+The faxgetty (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">faxgetty at .service</A>) file is in /lib/systemd/system
+Contains:
+
+[Unit]
+Description=Fax Getty on %I
+BindTo=dev-%i.device
+After=dev-%i.device systemd-user-sessions.service plymouth-quit-wait.service
+After=rc-local.service
+
+# If additional gettys are spawned during boot then we should make
+# sure that this is synchronized before getty.target, even though
+# getty.target didn't actually pull it in.
+Before=getty.target
+IgnoreOnIsolate=yes
+
+[Service]
+ExecStart=-/usr/sbin/faxgetty %I
+Restart=always
+RestartSec=0
+UtmpIdentifier=%I
+TTYPath=/dev/%I
+TTYReset=yes
+TTYVHangup=yes
+KillMode=process
+IgnoreSIGPIPE=no
+
+# Some login implementations ignore SIGTERM, so we send SIGHUP
+# instead, to ensure that login terminates cleanly.
+KillSignal=SIGHUP
+
+I'm sure some of the above is not needed, but until someone who knows
+more than me explains it, I'll leave it alone.
+
+
+--
+Programmers used to batch environments may find it hard to live without
+giant listings; we would find it hard to use them.
+ -- D.M. Ritchie
+----------------------
+Mageia release 2 (Official) for x86_64
+3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2 x86_64
+----------------------
+
+</PRE>
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+<I>Jim Whitby
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+<I>Anne Wilson
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+<I>Anne Wilson
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+</A><A NAME="8014">&nbsp;</A>
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+</A><A NAME="8016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Laidlaw
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+</A><A NAME="8015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Laidlaw
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+<LI><A HREF="008017.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
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+<I>Doug Laidlaw
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+<I>Norbert Marchl
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+<I>James Kerr
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+<I>James Kerr
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+<I>Doug Laidlaw
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+<I>Anne Wilson
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+<LI><A HREF="008027.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
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+<I>Anne Wilson
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+<I>Anne Wilson
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+
+<LI><A HREF="008029.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
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+<I>Remco Rijnders
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+<I>James Kerr
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+<LI><A HREF="008031.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail - SOLVED?
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+<I>Anne Wilson
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+<I>Remco Rijnders
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+</A><A NAME="8033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Laidlaw
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+<LI><A HREF="008034.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
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+<LI><A HREF="008035.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail - SOLVED?
+</A><A NAME="8035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
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+<I>Doug Laidlaw
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+<LI><A HREF="008008.html">[Mageia-discuss] Booting into safe mode -- not working
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+<I>Doug Laidlaw
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+
+<LI><A HREF="008009.html">[Mageia-discuss] Booting into safe mode -- not working
+</A><A NAME="8009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
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+<LI><A HREF="008010.html">[Mageia-discuss] Booting into safe mode -- not working
+</A><A NAME="8010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Laidlaw
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+
+<LI><A HREF="008011.html">[Mageia-discuss] Booting into safe mode -- not working
+</A><A NAME="8011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
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+<LI><A HREF="008012.html">[Mageia-discuss] Booting into safe mode -- not working
+</A><A NAME="8012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008013.html">[Mageia-discuss] Booting into safe mode -- not working
+</A><A NAME="8013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008014.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008016.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Laidlaw
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008015.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Laidlaw
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008017.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Laidlaw
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008018.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Norbert Marchl
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008019.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008020.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008021.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Laidlaw
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008022.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Laidlaw
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008023.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008024.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008025.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008026.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008027.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008028.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008029.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008030.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008033.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Laidlaw
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008034.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008036.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail - SOLVED
+</A><A NAME="8036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Laidlaw
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008031.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail - SOLVED?
+</A><A NAME="8031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008032.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail - SOLVED?
+</A><A NAME="8032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008035.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail - SOLVED?
+</A><A NAME="8035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008037.html">[Mageia-discuss] systemd and faxgetty
+</A><A NAME="8037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Mon Jun 25 23:02:39 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Jun 25 23:03:20 CEST 2012</i>
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+ <h1>25 June 2012 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Jun 25 06:04:40 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Jun 25 23:02:39 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 31<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01340597080- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008007.html">[Mageia-discuss] Booting into safe mode -- not working
+</A><A NAME="8007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340597080-01340601612- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008008.html">[Mageia-discuss] Booting into safe mode -- not working
+</A><A NAME="8008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Laidlaw
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340597080-01340601612-01340605737- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008009.html">[Mageia-discuss] Booting into safe mode -- not working
+</A><A NAME="8009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340597080-01340601612-01340605737-01340609426- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008010.html">[Mageia-discuss] Booting into safe mode -- not working
+</A><A NAME="8010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Laidlaw
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340597080-01340601612-01340605737-01340609426-01340612209- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008011.html">[Mageia-discuss] Booting into safe mode -- not working
+</A><A NAME="8011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340597080-01340601612-01340605737-01340609426-01340612209-01340614295- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008012.html">[Mageia-discuss] Booting into safe mode -- not working
+</A><A NAME="8012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340597080-01340601612-01340605737-01340609426-01340612209-01340614295-01340615292- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008013.html">[Mageia-discuss] Booting into safe mode -- not working
+</A><A NAME="8013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340620616- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008014.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340620616-01340621400- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008016.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Laidlaw
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01340620616-01340621757- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008015.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Laidlaw
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340620616-01340621757-01340622073- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008017.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Laidlaw
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01340620616-01340621757-01340622699- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008018.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Norbert Marchl
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01340620616-01340621757-01340635417- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008025.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340620616-01340621757-01340635417-01340638291- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008030.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01340620616-01340625247- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008019.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340620616-01340625247-01340626005- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008020.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340620616-01340625247-01340626005-01340626884- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008021.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Laidlaw
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340620616-01340625247-01340626005-01340626884-01340627331- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008022.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Laidlaw
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340620616-01340625247-01340626005-01340626884-01340627331-01340629536- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008024.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340620616-01340625247-01340626005-01340626884-01340627331-01340629536-01340637600- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008028.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340620616-01340625247-01340626005-01340626884-01340627331-01340629536-01340637600-01340639660- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008033.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Laidlaw
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340620616-01340625247-01340626005-01340626884-01340627331-01340629536-01340637600-01340639660-01340642169- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008036.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail - SOLVED
+</A><A NAME="8036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Laidlaw
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340620616-01340625247-01340626005-01340626884-01340627331-01340629536-01340640301- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008034.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340620616-01340625247-01340626005-01340626884-01340637516- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008027.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340620616-01340625247-01340626005-01340626884-01340637516-01340638171- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008029.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340620616-01340625247-01340626005-01340626884-01340637516-01340638171-01340639017- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008031.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail - SOLVED?
+</A><A NAME="8031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340620616-01340625247-01340626005-01340626884-01340637516-01340638171-01340639017-01340639256- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008032.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail - SOLVED?
+</A><A NAME="8032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340620616-01340625247-01340626005-01340626884-01340637516-01340638171-01340639017-01340641398- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008035.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail - SOLVED?
+</A><A NAME="8035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01340620616-01340625247-01340637309- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008026.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01340620616-01340627488- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008023.html">[Mageia-discuss] Problems with Local Mail
+</A><A NAME="8023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340658159- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008037.html">[Mageia-discuss] systemd and faxgetty
+</A><A NAME="8037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Mon Jun 25 23:02:39 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Jun 25 23:03:20 CEST 2012</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
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+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
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