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+ <B>Macxi</B>
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+<PRE>Em dom 03 jun 2012, &#224;s 17:26:41, Marja van Waes escreveu:
+&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As most of you will know, doktor5000 has been the main provider of
+</I>&gt;<i> support for Mageia users who go to the forum for help.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> His workload has increased, at the moment, he makes in between 30 and 40
+</I>&gt;<i> posts in the forum a day.
+</I>&gt;<i> That is too much, he has a full-time job, he has packages to maintain,
+</I>&gt;<i> security updates and bug fixes to do, documentation to write, but
+</I>&gt;<i> because of the workload he doesn't get around to doing those other
+</I>&gt;<i> things for Mageia. Worse even, he doesn't have time left for some fun
+</I>&gt;<i> part of life.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So your help is more than welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please go to the forum and sign up in this thread
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=18&amp;t=2681">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=18&amp;t=2681</A> if you want to help.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks a lot :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> marja
+</I>
+Marja,
+
+I admire the hard work you (and Doktor5000, Wobo and many other) are doing, a
+real community support, with high technical quality.
+
+Congratulations. I'm really impressed. You are answering hundreds of questions.
+
+I think that in this week's launch Mageia everything is very difficult, there are
+many questions and many new users.
+
+I agree that you need the help from other people, but maybe this is not enough.
+
+I think it's important to have help texts for beginners, in the wiki and forum.
+
+One of the reasons I use the Mageia is because I believe it can be used by
+common people, without much technical knowledge.
+
+I have no expertise. But I found a way to help editing &quot;help texts&quot; for
+beginners.
+
+I have edited help texts (in Wiki MandrivaBrasil and Wiki MageiaBrasil) mainly
+for 3 basic tasks:
+
+1 - Install Mageia
+2 - Install the media (software repository)
+3 -Install the software.
+
+I edited these texts for the Forum and Wiki MandrivaBrasil and I copied them to
+the forum and Wiki MageiaBrasil.
+
+- Simple answers to simple questions. Example: How do I do this? Answer: Read
+the directions from the wiki (see link). These questions, I and many others can
+answer.
+
+- Answers complicated, only people with technical knowledge can answer (and that
+should not overloading with these tasks simpler, that one wiki can do).
+
+Currently I'm not getting much help and English is not my native language), but
+I can try.
+
+I really want to help in this task of editing help texts for beginners, mainly
+to avoid the overhead of you again at the launch of Mageia 3 next year.
+
+The Mageia becoming a very popular distro, so I hope that as soon as possible,
+Mageia have more people helping, and lots of help documentation to support,
+especially for novice users.
+
+Cheers
+Macxi
+
+****************************
+
+Mageia Forum (en)
+
+Re: Forum support: your help is needed!
+by macxi &#187; Jun 4th, '12, 02:56
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+ <B>Liam R E Quin</B>
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+<PRE>On Sun, 2012-06-03 at 22:21 -0300, Macxi wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> One of the reasons I use the Mageia is because I believe it can be used by
+</I>&gt;<i> common people, without much technical knowledge.
+</I>
+I used to promote Mandriva Linux because (1) it targeted people new to
+Linux, and (2) it targets also developers, the best way to keep a
+distribution alive.
+
+I hope Mageia continues this.
+
+&gt;<i> I really want to help in this task of editing help texts for beginners, mainly
+</I>&gt;<i> to avoid the overhead of you again at the launch of Mageia 3 next year.
+</I>
+It's a good thing to do. Does the default install include a link to the
+forum on the desktop?
+
+Liam
+
+
+--
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+Pictures from old books: <A HREF="http://fromoldbooks.org/">http://fromoldbooks.org/</A>
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+ <B>Doug Laidlaw</B>
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+<PRE>On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 22:26:41 +0200
+Marja van Waes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As most of you will know, doktor5000 has been the main provider of
+</I>&gt;<i> support for Mageia users who go to the forum for help.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> His workload has increased, at the moment, he makes in between 30 and
+</I>&gt;<i> 40 posts in the forum a day.
+</I>&gt;<i> That is too much, he has a full-time job, he has packages to
+</I>&gt;<i> maintain, security updates and bug fixes to do, documentation to
+</I>&gt;<i> write, but because of the workload he doesn't get around to doing
+</I>&gt;<i> those other things for Mageia. Worse even, he doesn't have time left
+</I>&gt;<i> for some fun part of life.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So your help is more than welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please go to the forum and sign up in this thread
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=18&amp;t=2681">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=18&amp;t=2681</A> if you want to
+</I>&gt;<i> help.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks a lot :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> marja
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Sorry, I said I would help and haven't. I haven't got doktor5000's
+knowledge, and my lone reply on Mandriva was unhelpful. I will see
+what I can do, but I won't make a big difference.
+
+Doug.
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+<PRE>On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 22:11:43 -0400
+Liam R E Quin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">liam at holoweb.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> On Sun, 2012-06-03 at 22:21 -0300, Macxi wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; One of the reasons I use the Mageia is because I believe it can be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; used by common people, without much technical knowledge.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I used to promote Mandriva Linux because (1) it targeted people new to
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux, and (2) it targets also developers, the best way to keep a
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution alive.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope Mageia continues this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I really want to help in this task of editing help texts for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; beginners, mainly to avoid the overhead of you again at the launch
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of Mageia 3 next year.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's a good thing to do. Does the default install include a link to
+</I>&gt;<i> the forum on the desktop?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Liam
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You can add one if you wish. Just right-click on the desktop and
+follow the pop-up menu. Better still, get an account. Both you and
+Maxci write as if you will be users, not contributors.
+
+Doug.
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+ <B>Macxi</B>
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 22:11:43 -0400
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Liam R E Quin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">liam at holoweb.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sun, 2012-06-03 at 22:21 -0300, Macxi wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; One of the reasons I use the Mageia is because I believe it can be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; used by common people, without much technical knowledge.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I used to promote Mandriva Linux because (1) it targeted people new to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Linux, and (2) it targets also developers, the best way to keep a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; distribution alive.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I hope Mageia continues this.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I really want to help in this task of editing help texts for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; beginners, mainly to avoid the overhead of you again at the launch
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; of Mageia 3 next year.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It's a good thing to do. Does the default install include a link to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the forum on the desktop?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Liam
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can add one if you wish. Just right-click on the desktop and
+</I>&gt;<i> follow the pop-up menu. Better still, get an account. Both you and
+</I>&gt;<i> Maxci write as if you will be users, not contributors.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Doug.
+</I>
+
+Doug,
+
+I'm contributor and user.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; It's a good thing to do. Does the default install include a link to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the forum on the desktop?
+</I>
+Liam,
+
+Your suggestion already exists. The default installation already installs the
+icon &quot;Join Mageia Community&quot;, which has links with the site Mageia and all other
+tools (wiki, forum, etc).
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+<PRE>On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 00:34 -0300, Macxi wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Your suggestion already exists. The default installation already installs the
+</I>&gt;<i> icon &quot;Join Mageia Community&quot;, which has links with the site Mageia and all other
+</I>&gt;<i> tools (wiki, forum, etc).
+</I>
+Thanks - I couldn't tell because of user configuration.
+
+Doug - actually the point was that it's a way to get more people
+involved contributing. It's true I've been pretty maxed out this past
+year or two though.
+
+Liam
+
+--
+Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, <A HREF="http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/">http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/</A>
+Pictures from old books: <A HREF="http://fromoldbooks.org/">http://fromoldbooks.org/</A>
+Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml
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+ <B>Marja van Waes</B>
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+<PRE>On 04-06-12 04:46, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can add one if you wish. Just right-click on the desktop and
+</I>&gt;<i> follow the pop-up menu. Better still, get an account. Both you and
+</I>&gt;<i> Maxci write as if you will be users, not contributors.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You have to be a user before you can contribute ;)
+
+Anyway: Maxci is already a contributor who has done wonderful work in
+translating the help texts for installer, in coming with briliant ideas
+and in many other ways.
+
+Any user can help in the forum. There is no need to be able to answer
+every question, not even a need to be able to answer half of them.
+
+Even if you know the answer to only one out of 100 questions: if you
+answer that one, it already helps.
+
+Also, it helps if you ask someone who, e.g., complains that he can't
+mail, without telling more, like which e-mail client he uses and whether
+he sees any error messages, to give more details. Or if you ask someone
+who replies that his problem is solved, to put [SOLVED] at the beginning
+of the title of his thread.
+
+Cheers,
+marja
+
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+<PRE>2012/6/4 Marja van Waes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 04-06-12 04:46, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You can add one if you wish. &#160;Just right-click on the desktop and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> follow the pop-up menu. &#160;Better still, get an account. &#160;Both you and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maxci write as if you will be users, not contributors.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You have to be a user before you can contribute ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyway: Maxci is already a contributor who has done wonderful work in
+</I>&gt;<i> translating the help texts for installer, in coming with briliant ideas and
+</I>&gt;<i> in many other ways.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any user can help in the forum. There is no need to be able to answer every
+</I>&gt;<i> question, not even a need to be able to answer half of them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Even if you know the answer to only one out of 100 questions: if you answer
+</I>&gt;<i> that one, it already helps.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, it helps if you ask someone who, e.g., complains that he can't mail,
+</I>&gt;<i> without telling more, like which e-mail client he uses and whether he sees
+</I>&gt;<i> any error messages, to give more details. Or if you ask someone who replies
+</I>&gt;<i> that his problem is solved, to put [SOLVED] at the beginning of the title of
+</I>&gt;<i> his thread.
+</I>
+Actually it is the concept of the forum: &quot;Each user is also a helper
+because each user knows at least something another user may ask. In
+this forum there is no 'they &amp; us', it is only 'us'.&quot;
+
+Certainly some users know more than others. Certainly a new user's
+level of knowledge is quite low. But as certainly this should not keep
+you away from helping other users if you know the answer or a way to
+get the answer.
+
+There is no need to have a position or reputation before you can help.
+There is no need to be a member of a &quot;team of helpers&quot; before you can help.
+There is no need to apply anywhere before you can help.
+
+Just do it!
+
+--
+wobo
+Just do it.
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+<PRE>On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:05:34 +0200
+Marja van Waes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> On 04-06-12 04:46, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You can add one if you wish. Just right-click on the desktop and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; follow the pop-up menu. Better still, get an account. Both you and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maxci write as if you will be users, not contributors.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You have to be a user before you can contribute ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyway: 's contribution is already a contributor who has done
+</I>&gt;<i> wonderful work in translating the help texts for installer, in coming
+</I>&gt;<i> with briliant ideas and in many other ways.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any user can help in the forum. There is no need to be able to answer
+</I>&gt;<i> every question, not even a need to be able to answer half of them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Even if you know the answer to only one out of 100 questions: if you
+</I>&gt;<i> answer that one, it already helps.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, it helps if you ask someone who, e.g., complains that he can't
+</I>&gt;<i> mail, without telling more, like which e-mail client he uses and
+</I>&gt;<i> whether he sees any error messages, to give more details. Or if you
+</I>&gt;<i> ask someone who replies that his problem is solved, to put [SOLVED]
+</I>&gt;<i> at the beginning of the title of his thread.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> marja
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yes, my apologies to both. I saw Maxci's contribution to an earlier
+issue, and I have seen Liam's name frequently. I am struggling
+mentally at the moment, and not up to much. Every user has a bit of
+knowledge that may answer a basic question.
+
+Doug.
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+Hodgins who wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; I run a script based on df to check the total HD use on my box.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; After installing Mageia 2 it gives impossible results, which I attribute
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to DF now showing filesystems which I cannot find referenced in the File
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hierarchy Standard, like rootfs, devtmpfs or (several) tmpfs (mounted in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; separate locations).
+</I>
+&gt;<i> They are tmpfs filesystems, which by definition means they exist in ram
+</I>&gt;<i> only.
+</I>
+I wonder how they can exist in RAM given the total size of the tmpfs
+partitions is almost double the installed RAM of the computer.
+
+Soy, until I can make sense of this stuff, it is back to Mageia 1.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+--
+ Some people are worried about the difference between right and wrong.
+ I'm worried about the difference between wrong and fun
+ -- P.J. O'Rourke
+
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> On Friday 01 Jun 2012 17:22 my mailbox was graced by a message from David
+</I>&gt;<i> W.
+</I>&gt;<i> Hodgins who wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I run a script based on df to check the total HD use on my box.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; After installing Mageia 2 it gives impossible results, which I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> attribute
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; to DF now showing filesystems which I cannot find referenced in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> File
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Hierarchy Standard, like rootfs, devtmpfs or (several) tmpfs (mounted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; separate locations).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> They are tmpfs filesystems, which by definition means they exist in ram
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> only.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I wonder how they can exist in RAM given the total size of the tmpfs
+</I>&gt;<i> partitions is almost double the installed RAM of the computer.
+</I>
+tmpfs partitions are always shared in memory, they only use in memory what
+is used. the available size is actually the maximum tmpfs partitions (in
+total) can allocate from memory (and standard this is 50% of RAM).
+
+this has been so for as long as tmpfs exists, which is decades really.
+
+cgroup is a new kernel feature that allows grouping of processes (Control
+Groups), killing the control group will kill all the processes in the
+group. and it can be used to set process limits for the whole group.
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+Very, very best wishes, Doug.
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+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have no expertise. But I found a way to help editing &quot;help texts&quot; for
+</I>&gt;<i> beginners.
+</I>
+You have the expertise needed to make those great sets of instructions
+you made :D
+
+
+
+&gt;<i> I have edited help texts (in Wiki MandrivaBrasil
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fdocs.mandriva-br.org%2Fmandriva%2Fdicas_para_iniciantes%2Findice">http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fdocs.mandriva-br.org%2Fmandriva%2Fdicas_para_iniciantes%2Findice</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> and Wiki MageiaBrasil
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.mageiabr.org%2Fmageia%2Fmageia-1">http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.mageiabr.org%2Fmageia%2Fmageia-1</A>&gt;)
+</I>&gt;<i> mainly for 3 basic tasks:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1 - Install Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.mageiabr.org%2Fmageia%2Finstalar">http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.mageiabr.org%2Fmageia%2Finstalar</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2 - Install the media
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.mageiabr.org%2Fmageia%2Fmidias">http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.mageiabr.org%2Fmageia%2Fmidias</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> (software repository)
+</I>&gt;<i> 3 -Install the software
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.mageiabr.org%2Fmageia%2Fccm">http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.mageiabr.org%2Fmageia%2Fccm</A>&gt;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I edited these texts for the Forum and Wiki MandrivaBrasil and I copied
+</I>&gt;<i> them to the forum and Wiki MageiaBrasil.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
+I know some people for whom those instructions you made would be a great
+help, if in a language they understand.
+
+Thanks for giving the google translate links, I never looked at your
+pages with Google translate, but the result is better than I had expected :)
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Currently I'm not getting much help and English is not my native
+</I>&gt;<i> language), but I can try.
+</I>
+Yes, if you have time, please translate them and put them in our wiki.
+Besides, there are some native English speakers in documentation team
+who can review your translations :)
+
+Thanks, Macxi :)
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+ <B>Luiz Alberto Saba</B>
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+<PRE>Hi
+
+Finally I've installed Mageia 2 on my home machine.
+There are a few problems.
+There it goes...
+
+Hardware:
+MB Asus P6T Deluxe V2
+Intel i7 950 CPU
+12 GB of Corsair RAM
+nVidia GeForce 9800 GTX
+4 HDs jbod
+1 RAID 0 controlled by RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. Device 0242
+
+1 scenario
+
+I've tried to install with the full hardware configuration.
+No go.
+The installer made mistakes with the RAID 0. Both disks was listed at
+the partitioning step (not counting the /dev/mapper/... entry). I can't
+see why the individual disks was listed, since the array was recognized.
+Worst of all, the installer gives a message that can't format a swap
+partition at one of the RAID disks. It shouldn't. The RAID is windows
+and DON'T have a swap partition at all.
+
+2 scenario
+
+Removed the RAID array and tried again.
+I was able to install Mageia 2 but not able to boot correctly after the
+install. Systemd messages of error and I could not deal with them.
+Since the fourth disk is a openSUSE 12.1 disk, I've tried to remove and
+install again without the disk.
+
+3 scenario
+
+Installer did what was expected. No errors, boot ok, subsequent updates
+fine.
+Then I've reinstalled the Suse disk. No problems.
+Then I've reinstalled the RAID array.
+I was able to manually mount the Windows partition, but diskdrake is
+showing the individual disks again. The second disk of the array is
+completely crazy, showing 3 partitions (2 linux native and 1 swap).
+Since the array is working fine with windows, it CAN'T be right.
+
+If you wish, I can send lspci, lshw or whatever you find interesting.
+
+Thanks
+
+Luiz Alberto Saba
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+<PRE>Op maandag 4 juni 2012 12:53:40 schreef Luiz Alberto Saba:
+&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Finally I've installed Mageia 2 on my home machine.
+</I>&gt;<i> There are a few problems.
+</I>&gt;<i> There it goes...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hardware:
+</I>&gt;<i> MB Asus P6T Deluxe V2
+</I>&gt;<i> Intel i7 950 CPU
+</I>&gt;<i> 12 GB of Corsair RAM
+</I>&gt;<i> nVidia GeForce 9800 GTX
+</I>&gt;<i> 4 HDs jbod
+</I>&gt;<i> 1 RAID 0 controlled by RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. Device 0242
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1 scenario
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've tried to install with the full hardware configuration.
+</I>&gt;<i> No go.
+</I>&gt;<i> The installer made mistakes with the RAID 0. Both disks was listed at
+</I>&gt;<i> the partitioning step (not counting the /dev/mapper/... entry). I can't
+</I>&gt;<i> see why the individual disks was listed, since the array was recognized.
+</I>&gt;<i> Worst of all, the installer gives a message that can't format a swap
+</I>&gt;<i> partition at one of the RAID disks. It shouldn't. The RAID is windows
+</I>&gt;<i> and DON'T have a swap partition at all.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2 scenario
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Removed the RAID array and tried again.
+</I>&gt;<i> I was able to install Mageia 2 but not able to boot correctly after the
+</I>&gt;<i> install. Systemd messages of error and I could not deal with them.
+</I>&gt;<i> Since the fourth disk is a openSUSE 12.1 disk, I've tried to remove and
+</I>&gt;<i> install again without the disk.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3 scenario
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Installer did what was expected. No errors, boot ok, subsequent updates
+</I>&gt;<i> fine.
+</I>&gt;<i> Then I've reinstalled the Suse disk. No problems.
+</I>&gt;<i> Then I've reinstalled the RAID array.
+</I>&gt;<i> I was able to manually mount the Windows partition, but diskdrake is
+</I>&gt;<i> showing the individual disks again. The second disk of the array is
+</I>&gt;<i> completely crazy, showing 3 partitions (2 linux native and 1 swap).
+</I>&gt;<i> Since the array is working fine with windows, it CAN'T be right.
+</I>
+in short, your hardware RAID is a fake RAID. in linux it means that you have
+access to both the normal disks and the raid array.
+
+the reason for this is that the raid array is sort of a software raid wrapper
+in firmware, but it'll make your raid slower than it would in linux as a linux
+software RAID.
+
+that being said, likely systemd and installer will try to look and use
+whatever disks it can see, it likely doesn't know what the raid is looking
+like and so it likely tries to guess...
+
+that being said, i don't know much about this. i would advise you to file a bug
+report so the people who know about this sort of thing can answer you in the
+bug.
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+</A><A NAME="7698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="007699.html">[Mageia-discuss] Forum support: your help is needed!
+</A><A NAME="7699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007701.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 install report
+</A><A NAME="7701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luiz Alberto Saba
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007702.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 install report
+</A><A NAME="7702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007700.html">[Mageia-discuss] Review in Linux Today News
+</A><A NAME="7700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Mon Jun 4 20:45:08 CEST 2012</i><br>
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Jun 4 03:21:35 CEST 2012</i><br>
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+<LI><A HREF="007687.html">[Mageia-discuss] Forum support: your help is needed!
+</A><A NAME="7687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Macxi
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338772895-01338775903- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007688.html">[Mageia-discuss] Forum support: your help is needed!
+</A><A NAME="7688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01338772895-01338775903-01338777984- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007690.html">[Mageia-discuss] Forum support: your help is needed!
+</A><A NAME="7690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Laidlaw
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01338772895-01338775903-01338777984-01338780868- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007691.html">[Mageia-discuss] Forum support: your help is needed!
+</A><A NAME="7691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Macxi
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338772895-01338775903-01338777984-01338780868-01338792908- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007692.html">[Mageia-discuss] Forum support: your help is needed!
+</A><A NAME="7692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338772895-01338775903-01338777984-01338793534- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007693.html">[Mageia-discuss] Forum support: your help is needed!
+</A><A NAME="7693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338772895-01338775903-01338777984-01338793534-01338797222- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007694.html">[Mageia-discuss] Forum support: your help is needed!
+</A><A NAME="7694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
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+<!--3 01338772895-01338775903-01338777984-01338793534-01338798495- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007695.html">[Mageia-discuss] Forum support: your help is needed!
+</A><A NAME="7695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Laidlaw
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+<!--3 01338772895-01338775903-01338777984-01338793534-01338798495-01338807473- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007698.html">[Mageia-discuss] Forum support: your help is needed!
+</A><A NAME="7698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
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+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01338772895-01338808319- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007699.html">[Mageia-discuss] Forum support: your help is needed!
+</A><A NAME="7699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338777739- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007689.html">[Mageia-discuss] Forum support: your help is needed!
+</A><A NAME="7689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Laidlaw
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01338802992- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007696.html">[Mageia-discuss] File systems ?
+</A><A NAME="7696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338802992-01338806358- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007697.html">[Mageia-discuss] File systems ?
+</A><A NAME="7697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338816106- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007700.html">[Mageia-discuss] Review in Linux Today News
+</A><A NAME="7700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01338825220- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007701.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 install report
+</A><A NAME="7701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luiz Alberto Saba
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338825220-01338835508- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007702.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 install report
+</A><A NAME="7702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Mon Jun 4 20:45:08 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Jun 4 20:48:28 CEST 2012</i>
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