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Walsh</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3C1290381614.10545.20.camel%40access.dscvcp.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion">gjwalsh at dscvcp.org + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Nov 22 00:20:14 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003089.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3083">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3083">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3083">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3083">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sun, 2010-11-21 at 15:09 -0500, Hoyt Duff wrote: +><i> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 2:45 PM, George J. Walsh <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gjwalsh at dscvcp.org</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > You bet .... the second of your 2 'faves' impressed me at first sight +</I>><i> > with its clean, simple freshness and its suggestion of 'action' and even +</I>><i> > problem or puzzle resolution. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Looks like Yin-Yang symbol. Copyright/cultural/"freshness" issues? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://0.tqn.com/d/taoism/1/0/0/-/-/-/yinYang.gif">http://0.tqn.com/d/taoism/1/0/0/-/-/-/yinYang.gif</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +Well, Hoyt, everything man does is derived from something done by +another. I didn't think of your yin-yang but I did see a similarity of +corporate graphics for natural gas entities. Nonetheless, this +submission continues to hold appeal for me. + +George + + + +-- +"All that is impossible remains to be accomplished." - Jonathan Franzen +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003089.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3083">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3083">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3083">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3083">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003089.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003089.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e04e130dd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003089.html @@ -0,0 +1,103 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3C4CE9C8FF.5010603%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003083.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003090.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3C4CE9C8FF.5010603%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Nov 22 02:35:59 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003083.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003090.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3089">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3089">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3089">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3089">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Dale Huckeby a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> On Thu, 18 Nov 2010, Hoyt Duff wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Wayne Sallee <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Wayne at waynesallee.com</A>> +</I>>><i> wrote: +</I>>>><i> Hoyt Duff wrote on 11/18/2010 02:19 PM: +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54167983@N08/5011126293/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54167983@N08/5011126293/</A> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Sphere would be ideal candidate for a world globe. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I like the idea of of the world idea. Mageia is for everyone around the +</I>>>><i> world, and since it is a community rather than a business, it has a +</I>>>><i> bigger +</I>>>><i> interest in the needs of everyone, and not just meeting some small +</I>>>><i> niche, +</I>>>><i> but meets peoples needs on a global aspect. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Maybe the above logo can be make to look more like the earth. And +</I>>>><i> the part +</I>>>><i> that looks like a flame be make to look more like Mageia bringing +</I>>>><i> the world +</I>>>><i> together. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> That could be accomplished by outlining the "flame" in dark blue or +</I>>><i> black. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'd rather the flame not be outlined at all but look like an actual +</I>><i> flame, +</I>><i> indistinct at the edges, rising from a crystal ball. With the stylized, +</I>><i> bounded flame it looks rinky dink, toylike, and sharpening the +</I>><i> boundedness +</I>><i> only exacerbates the problem. The visual elements of a logo don't *have* +</I>><i> to literal-mindedly combine to spell out a meaning. At least, perusing +</I>><i> the +</I>><i> submissions, I don't see anything as ugly as SUSE's (gecko?). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Dale Huckeby +</I> +Of course ! +A crystal ball would inspire trust in a Linux operating system. +Somehow, I'm not quite sure that most potential users would trust +"magic" for serious tools that should always work. +Did someone say "rinky dink, toylike" ? +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003083.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003090.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3089">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3089">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3089">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3089">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003090.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003090.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1bb5d003f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003090.html @@ -0,0 +1,111 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3Calpine.LMD.2.00.1011212014210.5186%40astro.scholar.athome%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003089.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003092.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion</H1> + <B>Dale Huckeby</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3Calpine.LMD.2.00.1011212014210.5186%40astro.scholar.athome%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion">spock at evansville.net + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Nov 22 03:44:51 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003089.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003092.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3090">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3090">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3090">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3090">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sun, 21 Nov 2010, andre999 wrote: + +><i> Dale Huckeby a écrit : +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> On Thu, 18 Nov 2010, Hoyt Duff wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Wayne Sallee <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Wayne at waynesallee.com</A>> +</I>>>><i> wrote: +</I>>>>><i> Hoyt Duff wrote on 11/18/2010 02:19 PM: +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54167983@N08/5011126293/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54167983@N08/5011126293/</A> +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> Sphere would be ideal candidate for a world globe. +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> I like the idea of of the world idea. Mageia is for everyone around the +</I>>>>><i> world, and since it is a community rather than a business, it has a +</I>>>>><i> bigger +</I>>>>><i> interest in the needs of everyone, and not just meeting some small niche, +</I>>>>><i> but meets peoples needs on a global aspect. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Maybe the above logo can be make to look more like the earth. And the +</I>>>>><i> part +</I>>>>><i> that looks like a flame be make to look more like Mageia bringing the +</I>>>>><i> world +</I>>>>><i> together. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> That could be accomplished by outlining the "flame" in dark blue or black. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I'd rather the flame not be outlined at all but look like an actual flame, +</I>>><i> indistinct at the edges, rising from a crystal ball. With the stylized, +</I>>><i> bounded flame it looks rinky dink, toylike, and sharpening the boundedness +</I>>><i> only exacerbates the problem. The visual elements of a logo don't *have* +</I>>><i> to literal-mindedly combine to spell out a meaning. At least, perusing the +</I>>><i> submissions, I don't see anything as ugly as SUSE's (gecko?). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Dale Huckeby +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Of course ! +</I>><i> A crystal ball would inspire trust in a Linux operating system. +</I>><i> Somehow, I'm not quite sure that most potential users would trust "magic" for +</I>><i> serious tools that should always work. +</I>><i> Did someone say "rinky dink, toylike" ? +</I> +Personally, I would just like for it to be eye-catching and look nice. +I'd be pretty shallow and gullible if I trusted *or* distrusted Mageia +due to the shape of its logo rather than personal experience or word +of mouth. If people perceive Mageia as trustworthy its logo will evoke +that judgment because it's associated with Mageia, not because it's the +source of the judgment. + +Dale Huckeby + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003089.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003092.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3090">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3090">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3090">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3090">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003091.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003091.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..14388a385 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003091.html @@ -0,0 +1,148 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3C4CE9E434.2070804%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003106.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003093.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion</H1> + <B>andréb</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3C4CE9E434.2070804%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Nov 22 04:32:04 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003106.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003093.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3091">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3091">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3091">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3091">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Marc Paré a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> Le 2010-11-18 04:22, Romain d'Alverny a écrit : +</I>>><i> Hi everyone, +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> so, logo proposals deadline was past week, Monday Nov. 9th. Proposals +</I>>><i> were sent to <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/</A> (you may +</I>>><i> need to be logged in Flickr to actually see all proposals). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> First, on behalf of the board, let me thank all artists who invested +</I>>><i> in this and published a proposal. 113 posters, for 429 posts. There +</I>>><i> have been lots of different ideas, some matching the guidelines +</I>>><i> (<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=artguide#logo_design_guidelines">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=artguide#logo_design_guidelines</A>), +</I>>><i> some not matching. So again, thank you to all, a lot, for your ideas +</I>>><i> and your work. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, a heartfelt congratulations to all of those who contributed. Very +</I>><i> much appreciated. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> My four picks (in order of preference) and reasons are: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1. <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5141934927/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5141934927/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- logo with the 4 elements earth, wind, water, fire. I like the +</I>><i> concept that Mageia comes from these 4 elements of which we are all +</I>><i> connected. The concept is recognisable by most people as it is taught +</I>><i> early in most school systems. It also fits in with the "magic" of the +</I>><i> brand. The placement of the word "Mageia" would have to be worked so +</I>><i> that the logo is compact. I would prefer keeping the groups of 4 +</I>><i> elements in a square pattern with "Mageia" trailing on the right hand +</I>><i> side. Perhaps the logo could be the 4 elements in a square pattern +</I>><i> with the letter "M" glued to the right hand site so that the logo +</I>><i> itself could stand alone without the Mageia word. +</I>Both Mageia to the right and the "M" attached are good improvements. So +effectively either just "M" or "Mageia" to the right. +><i> +</I>><i> 2. <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5063070488/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5063070488/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- logo with the compass with the needle pointing to NE which is the +</I>><i> "M" for Mageia. In French there is the saying: " ... perdu le nord." +</I>><i> which means that someone has lost her/his direction or sanity / +</I>><i> reasoning. But in this case Mageia has been found because the needle +</I>><i> is pointing to the "M". I don't like the flame above the "I" of the +</I>><i> "Mageia". I would like to see a version with giving "Mageia" word a +</I>><i> gradient colour change from left (blue) to right (a colour from the +</I>><i> branding palette). Just as an experiment. I think that the icon could +</I>><i> easily stand on its own and people would eventually identify it with +</I>><i> "Mageia". There is also a French band "Solus" that sings this title +</I>><i> "Perdu le Nord" (<A HREF="http://vimeo.com/6878932">http://vimeo.com/6878932</A>) +</I>Good improvements, except maybe the idea of colour gradiant. It seems +to me it would be better to try to simplify the image somewhat, which +would allow the logo to scale better. For example, to point the needle +to "M" directly to NE, which would remove (hide) the pointers NE and SW. +Also, the font is too "busy". It would be better to use a sans-serif +font. (Some do have a capital "I" with serifs for readability.) +><i> +</I>><i> 3. <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/tigger-gg/5027064477/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/tigger-gg/5027064477/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- I can't say I like the font, but I do like the idea with the tail +</I>><i> of the "M" of Mageia curling around the letter. If we could give this +</I>><i> a little more style, I think the tail "M" logo would become recognisable. +</I>Like an "M" version of @ :) +And with a readable font. +><i> +</I>><i> 4. <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/42998910@N02/5008234829/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/42998910@N02/5008234829/</A> +</I>><i> I like the idea of the orb that looks like it is either surfacing or +</I>><i> plunging into the liquid matter. It looks more like it is surfacing +</I>><i> from the liquid. I can't say that I like the angle or the font of +</I>><i> "Mageia", but the idea could work if there was an attached slogan +</I>><i> "Mageia Linux ... your orbit of knowledge." or something to help it +</I>><i> stick. I wonder it the "Mageia" would look better placed at the top of +</I>><i> the liquid waves in a quarter circle format (like the one on the image +</I>><i> but angled the opposite way). +</I>Too magic for me. But maybe if it showed the planet in orbit. +Mageia on top, with a normal (and readable) font would be a big improvement. +With the moon smiling at Mageia ? Who knows ? + +You could always have whatever logo chosen (hopefully with Mageia in +it), with your slogan, on top of planet earth in orbit with the moon +looking on with a smile ... +Great idea for a promotional cartoon. +But I digress :) +><i> +</I>><i> Cheers +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I> +my 2 cents :) + +- André +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003106.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003093.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3091">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3091">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3091">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3091">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003092.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003092.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4c16592e8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003092.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DVcfn2wMw2tzjvWZwN8kF3wDUmvHhAYpCRYnsa%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003090.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003106.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DVcfn2wMw2tzjvWZwN8kF3wDUmvHhAYpCRYnsa%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Nov 22 04:41:06 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003090.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003106.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3092">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3092">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3092">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3092">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/11/22 Dale Huckeby <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">spock at evansville.net</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> Personally, I would just like for it to be eye-catching and look nice. +</I>><i> I'd be pretty shallow and gullible if I trusted *or* distrusted Mageia +</I>><i> due to the shape of its logo rather than personal experience or word +</I>><i> of mouth.  If people perceive Mageia as trustworthy its logo will evoke +</I>><i> that judgment because it's associated with Mageia, not because it's the +</I>><i> source of the judgment. +</I> ++ 100 + +We should understand one important point: Mageia will not be defined +by the logo, rather the other way round. +No matter how the logo looks like, if Mageia turns out to be good, +people will attach the logo to something good. If Mageia turns out to +be bad, the logo will stand for something bad in the individual user's +view. It is not the logo which "sells", it is the still the product. I +never heard anybody say that he bought a Mercedes because he likes the +logo. People test Mageia and like it - next time they see the logo +they remember that it stands for a product they experienced as a good +product. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003090.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003106.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3092">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3092">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3092">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3092">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003093.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003093.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0702768f6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003093.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3C4CE9E81F.4030208%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003091.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003094.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3C4CE9E81F.4030208%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Nov 22 04:48:47 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003091.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003094.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3093">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3093">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3093">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3093">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Jérôme Hénin a écrit : +><i> On 21 November 2010 12:26, Cazzaniga-Sandro<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:39:01AM +0100, Marcello Anni wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> 2010/11/21 Morgan Leijström<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fri at tribun.eu</A>>: +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> Den 2010-11-21 00:32:41 skrev Oliver Burger: +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ofaurax/5127775007/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/ofaurax/5127775007/</A> and all related ones +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> This is my favourite. Very simple, easy to recognize, not tied to name +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Very cool and beautiful, my favorite too!! :) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> "Cool" and "beautiful" are the subjective side of the question (I +</I>><i> happen to disagree, but this is merely a matter of taste). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Still, I can't help but wonder: what does this logo say about Mageia? +</I>><i> The "cauldron with/without fire" sounds like a kind of insider's joke +</I>><i> to me. I doubt that it would help getting the Mageia message across to +</I>><i> a broad audience. +</I>><i> +</I> +Exactly my thoughts. Let's save this image for the cauldron. + +- André +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003091.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003094.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3093">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3093">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3093">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3093">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003094.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003094.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6e3d61502 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003094.html @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3C4CE9EB53.7050508%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003093.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003096.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3C4CE9EB53.7050508%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Nov 22 05:02:27 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003093.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003096.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3094">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3094">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3094">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3094">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Oliver Burger a écrit : +><i> Jérôme Hénin<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">heninj at gmail.com</A>> schrieb am 2010-11-21 +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Still, I can't help but wonder: what does this logo say about Mageia? +</I>>><i> The "cauldron with/without fire" sounds like a kind of insider's joke +</I>>><i> to me. I doubt that it would help getting the Mageia message across to +</I>>><i> a broad audience. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> What do all the others? What does the logo at the upper right of this page +</I>><i> say: <A HREF="http://www.deutsche-bank.de/index.htm">http://www.deutsche-bank.de/index.htm</A> +</I>><i> Nothing? But still, it's the biggest bank in Germany... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A logo does not have to "say" anything. It has to be recognizable. And I do +</I>><i> think this one is! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Oliver +</I>><i> +</I> +Well the cauldron logo is so simple that it is barely distinguishable +from a circle. What we need is a distinctive logo that is easily +recognisable. +Even if the cauldron is recognised as such, what is the image usually +associated with a cauldron, at least in Europe and North America ? +Witchcraft. Thus magic. +So of course, potential users will be attracted by an operating system +which says, +"with the right incantations, Mageia *should* work." +Somehow, I don't think so. + +Don't forget, we must put ourselves in the shoes of those who might be +attacted to Mageia, not in the shoes of developers who are already +committed. + +my 2 cents :) + +- André +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003093.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003096.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3094">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3094">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3094">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3094">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003095.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003095.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e38dde976 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003095.html @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3C4CE9EF74.2080105%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003103.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003105.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3C4CE9EF74.2080105%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Nov 22 05:20:04 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003103.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003105.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3095">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3095">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3095">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3095">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hoyt Duff a écrit : +><i> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Dale Huckeby<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">spock at evansville.net</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> What strikes you as simplicity +</I>>><i> strikes me as cartoonish. I can see its appeal but it doesn't work for +</I>>><i> me. I prefer a logo that's three-dimensional rather than an outline, +</I>>><i> but that's just my aesthetic taste. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> That has been my criticism of many of Mandrivas icons (the user icons +</I>><i> , for example): they look cartoonish and lack what the marketing types +</I>><i> refer to as "high touch". They would be fine in a distro targeted at +</I>><i> children, but not adults who consider themselves as cutting-edge. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As an aside, I don't care for the "Tux" logo either for the same +</I>><i> reason, but if you had to go with that style, I prefer someting with +</I>><i> an edge. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.decalsusa.com/images/badtz%20maru%20colors.GIF">http://www.decalsusa.com/images/badtz%20maru%20colors.GIF</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> (off-topic, but I'm in an off-topic-ish mood). +</I>><i> +</I> +Hope you're not suggesting that for Mageia ... +But it certainly does have an "edge" :) + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003103.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003105.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3095">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3095">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3095">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3095">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003096.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003096.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c3612ff19 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003096.html @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTin-i_JEhO71dHkBn4xCwWAuxr3%2BR07TGLM46Qaz%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003094.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003099.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTin-i_JEhO71dHkBn4xCwWAuxr3%2BR07TGLM46Qaz%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Nov 22 05:20:21 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003094.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003099.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3096">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3096">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3096">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3096">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/11/22 andre999 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> Well the cauldron logo is so simple that it is barely distinguishable from a +</I>><i> circle.  What we need is a distinctive logo that is easily recognisable. +</I>><i> Even if the cauldron is recognised as such, what is the image usually +</I>><i> associated with a cauldron, at least in Europe and North America ? +</I>><i> Witchcraft.  Thus magic. +</I>><i> So of course, potential users will be attracted by an operating system which +</I>><i> says, +</I>><i> "with the right incantations, Mageia *should* work." +</I> +No. The will be attracted by the operating system, not by the logo. If +the operating system is good they will remember the logo as positive +sign. This is more likely if the logo is easy to remember, no matter +what it says. To the user it only says, "it's the sign of a product I +like". To users who never tested the product it will mean nothing at +all no matter what it says. + +Yes, we have all those principles what the logo should tell about +Mageia. Doing that will not hurt but at the end of the day there is +only one feature a logo must have: recognizability. It does not matter +if the logo talks about a cauldron or just points to a restaurant +selling duck soup, important is that users will remember it in +relation to the operating system they just tested and liked. What +meaning has the star on a Mercedes? Nobody knows but everybody can +draw the logo in seconds and everybody knows that it resembles a good +product (whether you like the cars or not). + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003094.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003099.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3096">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3096">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3096">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3096">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003097.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003097.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fca530c10 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003097.html @@ -0,0 +1,112 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3C4CE9F0B6.30501%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003105.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003098.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3C4CE9F0B6.30501%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Nov 22 05:25:26 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003105.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003098.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3097">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3097">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3097">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3097">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Thorsten van Lil a écrit : +><i> Am Sonntag 21 November 2010, 14:47:59 schrieb Jérôme Hénin: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> On 21 November 2010 12:26, Cazzaniga-Sandro<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>>><i> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:39:01AM +0100, Marcello Anni wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> 2010/11/21 Morgan Leijström<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fri at tribun.eu</A>>: +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> Den 2010-11-21 00:32:41 skrev Oliver Burger: +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>>><i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ofaurax/5127775007/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/ofaurax/5127775007/</A> and all related +</I>>>>>>>><i> ones +</I>>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> This is my favourite. Very simple, easy to recognize, not tied to +</I>>>>>>><i> name +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Very cool and beautiful, my favorite too!! :) +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> "Cool" and "beautiful" are the subjective side of the question (I +</I>>><i> happen to disagree, but this is merely a matter of taste). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Still, I can't help but wonder: what does this logo say about Mageia? +</I>>><i> The "cauldron with/without fire" sounds like a kind of insider's joke +</I>>><i> to me. I doubt that it would help getting the Mageia message across to +</I>>><i> a broad audience. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Maybe you should take a look at the explanation of the author. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ofaurax/5119536676/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/ofaurax/5119536676/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For me the couldron is enough statement for Mageia (though magic). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This logo has everything needed for a good logo (objective) ... as far as I +</I>><i> can say. +</I>><i> +</I>Everything in the explanation make it an *excellent* logo/icon for the +*cauldron*. +But not Mageia in general. +It lacks a distinctive enough image. Don't forget, we will not be, at +least for a long time, the biggest operating system in any country. +><i> Regards, +</I>><i> Thorsten +</I>><i> +</I> +another 2 cents + +- André +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003105.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003098.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3097">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3097">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3097">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3097">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003098.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003098.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5372b8355 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003098.html @@ -0,0 +1,117 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3C4CE9F395.7010007%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003097.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003100.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3C4CE9F395.7010007%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Nov 22 05:37:41 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003097.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003100.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3098">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3098">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3098">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3098">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Thorsten van Lil a écrit : +><i> Am Sonntag 21 November 2010, 19:34:30 schrieb Liam R E Quin: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> On Sun, 2010-11-21 at 15:08 +0100, Thorsten van Lil wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Maybe you should take a look at the explanation of the author. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ofaurax/5119536676/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/ofaurax/5119536676/</A> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> For me the couldron is enough statement for Mageia (though magic). +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> I thought it meant "laundry setting to boil whites". +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> A logo that needs an explanation like that isn't good, but it +</I>>><i> might be a good foundation to build on. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> No, that is not a requirement for a logo. +</I>><i> The already mentioned logo of the "Deutsche Bank" has needed an explanation. +</I>><i> The meaning of the Ubuntu logo, which I think is one of the best logos so far, +</I>><i> wasn't clear to me the first few years. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Many logos didn't have a meaning and are good at all. +</I>><i> Logos need to be simple, recognizable, scaleable and have to look good in +</I>><i> monochrome as well as in color. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The marketing guys may want to add some points, which I don't think at. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Just try to imagine the logo at the collar of a shirt or at the icon in the +</I>><i> adressbar of the webbrowser. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Regards, +</I>><i> Thorsten +</I>><i> +</I> +I don't think you read what he said. +what is the advantage of choosing a logo for which you have to explain +what it *doesn't* mean ? +Most people won't bother. They are turned off the first time, and after +that every time they see Mageia, they are already programmed to ignore it. +If that is how you want to promote Mageia, at least you risk to belong +to a more exclusive club. But I don't think that most behind Mageia +want that to happen. + +What we want is an attractive, distinctive logo, that will make people +think of Mageia in a positive sense. +Which means we avoid negative connotations, such as magic. (-1 for the +cauldron symbol) +We avoid logos too indistinct. (-2 for the almost-circle cauldron symbol) +We avoid logos that are not attractive in appearance. (-3, in my view) + +So tell me : where are the positives - for the average potential user +not already committed to Mageia ? +I'm listening ... + +- André +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003097.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003100.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3098">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3098">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3098">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3098">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003099.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003099.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6fe30c43a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003099.html @@ -0,0 +1,118 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3C4CE9F816.1050506%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003096.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003101.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3C4CE9F816.1050506%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Nov 22 05:56:54 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003096.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003101.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3099">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3099">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3099">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3099">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> 2010/11/22 andre999<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>>: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Well the cauldron logo is so simple that it is barely distinguishable from a +</I>>><i> circle. What we need is a distinctive logo that is easily recognisable. +</I>>><i> Even if the cauldron is recognised as such, what is the image usually +</I>>><i> associated with a cauldron, at least in Europe and North America ? +</I>>><i> Witchcraft. Thus magic. +</I>>><i> So of course, potential users will be attracted by an operating system which +</I>>><i> says, +</I>>><i> "with the right incantations, Mageia *should* work." +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> No. The will be attracted by the operating system, not by the logo. If +</I>><i> the operating system is good they will remember the logo as positive +</I>><i> sign. This is more likely if the logo is easy to remember, no matter +</I>><i> what it says. To the user it only says, "it's the sign of a product I +</I>><i> like". To users who never tested the product it will mean nothing at +</I>><i> all no matter what it says. +</I>><i> +</I>Wobo, you are missing the point. +Once they have tried Mageia, and like it, the logo is irrelevant. +But what will attract them ? +It could be all sorts of things, but the least likely is a logo with +negative connotations (as "magic" for an operating system), or a logo so +indistinct as to not induce curiosity. + +I think the cauldron logo has the dubious advantage of both of these +factors. +So although many other factors could attact potential users, such a logo +won't help. + +I would rather a logo that would. +><i> Yes, we have all those principles what the logo should tell about +</I>><i> Mageia. Doing that will not hurt but at the end of the day there is +</I>><i> only one feature a logo must have: recognizability. It does not matter +</I>><i> if the logo talks about a cauldron or just points to a restaurant +</I>><i> selling duck soup, important is that users will remember it in +</I>><i> relation to the operating system they just tested and liked. What +</I>><i> meaning has the star on a Mercedes? Nobody knows but everybody can +</I>><i> draw the logo in seconds and everybody knows that it resembles a good +</I>><i> product (whether you like the cars or not). +</I>><i> +</I>Ok, assuming that many potential users recognise this indistinct logo as +a cauldron. +Do we also assume that the "magic" associated in popular folklore - at +least in Europe and the Americas - will attact such potential users ? +Do you personally associate "magic" with reliability, ease of use ? +The strength we hope to bring ? +For myself, very much the contrary. + +We have to put ourselves in the shoes of potential users unfamiliar with +Mageia or Mandriva, and not in the shoes of developers or others already +committed to Mageia. + +So in choosing the logo, try pretending you have never heard of Mageia, +have never packaged an rpm, and never distributed a Linux ISO. + +another 2 cents :) + +- André + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003096.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003101.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3099">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3099">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3099">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3099">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003100.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003100.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..afa88843d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003100.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik64O1qiiVH6Eoaf1Ha5CnBjagqQacR9UQPYB0b%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003098.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003104.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik64O1qiiVH6Eoaf1Ha5CnBjagqQacR9UQPYB0b%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Nov 22 05:57:17 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003098.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003104.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3100">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3100">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3100">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3100">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/11/22 andre999 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> So tell me : where are the positives - for the average potential user not +</I>><i> already committed to Mageia ? +</I>><i> I'm listening ... +</I> +They are nowhere, in no logo at all (set aside logos which carry +images of certain things like a car or a washing machine). The logo +will only start having "positives" or "negatives" after the user has +looked at what the logo stands for. If he thinks Mageia is positive +than the logo will have a positive meaning for him. Again: it is not +the logo which gives meaning to a product, it is the product which +gives meaning to a logo. + +If it were the other way round Mercedes would have had to change their +logo when the protest marches in the late 60ties started to show this +(almost) same symbol. Who knows what Ubuntu's logo means? Would +anybody have cared about the logo before he tested Ubuntu? + +I state that a logo only has a positive rating if 1st the product is +positive and 2nd the logo is simpel enough to be remembered. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003098.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003104.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3100">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3100">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3100">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3100">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003101.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003101.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c9ff71d2b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003101.html @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D6LqEoNo3ONsG7tp4Eyy%2BoLf8p9%3Dpr3u94tsbE%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003099.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003102.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D6LqEoNo3ONsG7tp4Eyy%2BoLf8p9%3Dpr3u94tsbE%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Nov 22 06:05:54 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003099.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003102.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3101">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3101">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3101">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3101">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/11/22 andre999 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> So in choosing the logo, try pretending you have never heard of Mageia, have +</I>><i> never packaged an rpm, and never distributed a Linux ISO. +</I> +In this case the very last thing I'd look at is the logo. +I may look at the colors of a screenshot, I may look at the selection +of useful applications, I may look at reports in magazines or +websites, I may even look at the design of the cardboard box on the +shelves. But the logo is the last thing I'd look at, no matter what +kind of product I am looking for. +I have no clue about chain-saws, never had one in my hands. Do you +really think I'd look at logos for one second when I go shopping for +such a tool? I'd be very dumb to judge anything by the logo! + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003099.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003102.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3101">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3101">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3101">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3101">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003102.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003102.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..86c6a67af --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003102.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikodf0wEJYnT%2BqaOgSEL1BDfhFgq4QytZ4CnOX9%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003101.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003103.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikodf0wEJYnT%2BqaOgSEL1BDfhFgq4QytZ4CnOX9%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Nov 22 06:09:27 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003101.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003103.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3102">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3102">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3102">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3102">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/11/22 Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>>: +><i> 2010/11/22 andre999 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>>: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> So in choosing the logo, try pretending you have never heard of Mageia, have +</I>>><i> never packaged an rpm, and never distributed a Linux ISO. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In this case the very last thing I'd look at is the logo. +</I>><i> I may look at the colors of a screenshot, I may look at the selection +</I>><i> of useful applications, I may look at reports in magazines or +</I>><i> websites, I may even look at the design of the cardboard box on the +</I>><i> shelves. But the logo is the last thing I'd look at, no matter what +</I>><i> kind of product I am looking for. +</I>><i> I have no clue about chain-saws, never had one in my hands. Do you +</I>><i> really think I'd look at logos for one second when I go shopping for +</I>><i> such a tool? I'd be very dumb to judge anything by the logo! +</I>><i> +</I> +But I DO look for a logo once I found a product useful or good, I look +for the logo to find news, reports, anything, about this product. Then +it is very useful for me if the logo is simple enough to be remembered +and recognized whenever I see it anywhere. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003101.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003103.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3102">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3102">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3102">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3102">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003103.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003103.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..25d617939 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003103.html @@ -0,0 +1,111 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DbLZg0f8-ifGqU1NLzRWOU21HMJpSp9HHg4kr5%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003102.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003095.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion</H1> + <B>Hoyt Duff</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DbLZg0f8-ifGqU1NLzRWOU21HMJpSp9HHg4kr5%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion">hoytduff at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Nov 22 07:20:37 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003102.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003095.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3103">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3103">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3103">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3103">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Wolfgang Bornath +<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> 2010/11/22 Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>>: +</I>>><i> 2010/11/22 andre999 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>>: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> So in choosing the logo, try pretending you have never heard of Mageia, have +</I>>>><i> never packaged an rpm, and never distributed a Linux ISO. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> In this case the very last thing I'd look at is the logo. +</I>>><i> I may look at the colors of a screenshot, I may look at the selection +</I>>><i> of useful applications, I may look at reports in magazines or +</I>>><i> websites, I may even look at the design of the cardboard box on the +</I>>><i> shelves. But the logo is the last thing I'd look at, no matter what +</I>>><i> kind of product I am looking for. +</I>>><i> I have no clue about chain-saws, never had one in my hands. Do you +</I>>><i> really think I'd look at logos for one second when I go shopping for +</I>>><i> such a tool? I'd be very dumb to judge anything by the logo! +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But I DO look for a logo once I found a product useful or good, I look +</I>><i> for the logo to find news, reports, anything, about this product. Then +</I>><i> it is very useful for me if the logo is simple enough to be remembered +</I>><i> and recognized whenever I see it anywhere. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> wobo +</I>><i> +</I> +Kinda agree. + +If the distro defines the logo, then any random piece of crap logo will do. + +If the (undefined, unestablished) logo defines the distro, then we are +attracting users that are so superficial as to be useless as a target +market. + +The logo should, I feel, be unlike other distro logos so as to be +easily discernible from them. + +The logo may be abstract or obtuse or both or neither; it need not be +symbolic of anything nor have any hidden meaning because it will, in +time, come to be associated with Mageia and Mageia with it and all +it's "hidden" and mysterious symbolic meaning will become forgotten +(Remember the Kool Desktop Environment?). Let us not over-geek the +process. + +So I suggest we are looking for something simple, unique, easy to +identify in favicon sizes and look good in black-and-white as well as +colour. So perhaps the logo overlords should sieve the candidates for +that and ask the artists to re-submit in black-and-white to level the +playing field. The more elaborate candidates could be developed as +themes. + +-- +Hoyt +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003102.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003095.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3103">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3103">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3103">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3103">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003104.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003104.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f40217bd6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003104.html @@ -0,0 +1,111 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3C4CEA0C82.30906%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003100.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003107.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3C4CEA0C82.30906%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Nov 22 07:24:02 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003100.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003107.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3104">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3104">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3104">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3104">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> 2010/11/22 andre999<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>>: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> So tell me : where are the positives - for the average potential user not +</I>>><i> already committed to Mageia ? +</I>>><i> I'm listening ... +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> They are nowhere, in no logo at all (set aside logos which carry +</I>><i> images of certain things like a car or a washing machine). The logo +</I>><i> will only start having "positives" or "negatives" after the user has +</I>><i> looked at what the logo stands for. If he thinks Mageia is positive +</I>><i> than the logo will have a positive meaning for him. Again: it is not +</I>><i> the logo which gives meaning to a product, it is the product which +</I>><i> gives meaning to a logo. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If it were the other way round Mercedes would have had to change their +</I>><i> logo when the protest marches in the late 60ties started to show this +</I>><i> (almost) same symbol. Who knows what Ubuntu's logo means? Would +</I>><i> anybody have cared about the logo before he tested Ubuntu? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I state that a logo only has a positive rating if 1st the product is +</I>><i> positive and 2nd the logo is simpel enough to be remembered. +</I>><i> +</I> +Obviously we don't agree. +The basic idea behind selecting the logo was to help present/promote Mageia. + +I don't know about you, but when I started getting interested in Linux +(already a programmer for many years), I ended up choosing Red Hat. Why +? I did a lot of reading. Looking at what was available. The +distinctive logos were a means of categorising the different distros +available at the time. (I only remember Slackware as an alternative.) +Eventually I tried RedHat. I liked it. After that the logo was totally +irrelevant, as far as my using RedHat. +Later, already familiar with Linux, the Mandriva logo interested me. +After a few years of interest, using the logo as a focus of info +available, I tried it. I liked it. And the logo became irrelevant, as +far as my using Mandriva. + +When I say interested me, it was a symbol to identify information on the +product, distinctive enough that I knew that the info was associated +with the product in question, but without negative connotations which +might make me decide prematurely that it wasn't something of interest. + +If someone is already committed to a product, what difference will a +logo make, it terms of their usage of the product ? + + From your point of view, how is the logo important ? +If you don't think it is important, why do you bother to debate it ? + +take care, + +- André +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003100.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003107.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3104">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3104">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3104">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3104">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003105.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003105.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3383c2e2e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003105.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim17F67Wm_fKaBaCHonJADo2EAGYXPhE2nmunSF%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003095.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003097.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion</H1> + <B>Hoyt Duff</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim17F67Wm_fKaBaCHonJADo2EAGYXPhE2nmunSF%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion">hoytduff at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Nov 22 07:33:10 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003095.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003097.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3105">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3105">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3105">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3105">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:20 PM, andre999 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>> wrote: +>><i> Hoyt Duff a écrit : +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> As an aside, I don't care for the "Tux" logo either for the same +</I>>><i> reason, but if you had to go with that style, I prefer something with +</I>>><i> an edge. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> <A HREF="http://www.decalsusa.com/images/badtz%20maru%20colors.GIF">http://www.decalsusa.com/images/badtz%20maru%20colors.GIF</A> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> (off-topic, but I'm in an off-topic-ish mood). +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Hope you're not suggesting that for Mageia ... +</I>><i> But it certainly does have an "edge" :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +I believe Badzt Maru would make an excellent icon/mascot for a Linux +distro. His name means "wrong-correct" or X-O, an excellent choice for +the type of discussions we've had on these lists. + +However, Badtz is a copyrighted and licensed character of Sanrio. +Perhaps they would grant a free license to a non-profit community +organisation, and it wouldn't hurt to ask, but probably not viable. +Copyright conflict is a Mandriva legacy Mageia could do without. 8) + +Here's a Wikipedia entry for the curious: +<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sanrio_character">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sanrio_character</A> + + +-- +Hoyt +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003095.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003097.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3105">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3105">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3105">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3105">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003106.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003106.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9fa95ca5d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003106.html @@ -0,0 +1,149 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3C4CEA13C2.7060604%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003092.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003091.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3C4CEA13C2.7060604%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Nov 22 07:54:58 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003092.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003091.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3106">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3106">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3106">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3106">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Dale Huckeby a écrit : +><i> On Sun, 21 Nov 2010, andre999 wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Dale Huckeby a écrit : +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> On Thu, 18 Nov 2010, Hoyt Duff wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Wayne Sallee +</I>>>>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Wayne at waynesallee.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>>>>><i> Hoyt Duff wrote on 11/18/2010 02:19 PM: +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54167983@N08/5011126293/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54167983@N08/5011126293/</A> +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> Sphere would be ideal candidate for a world globe. +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> I like the idea of of the world idea. Mageia is for everyone +</I>>>>>><i> around the +</I>>>>>><i> world, and since it is a community rather than a business, it has +</I>>>>>><i> a bigger +</I>>>>>><i> interest in the needs of everyone, and not just meeting some small +</I>>>>>><i> niche, +</I>>>>>><i> but meets peoples needs on a global aspect. +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> Maybe the above logo can be make to look more like the earth. And +</I>>>>>><i> the part +</I>>>>>><i> that looks like a flame be make to look more like Mageia bringing +</I>>>>>><i> the world +</I>>>>>><i> together. +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> That could be accomplished by outlining the "flame" in dark blue or +</I>>>>><i> black. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I'd rather the flame not be outlined at all but look like an actual +</I>>>><i> flame, +</I>>>><i> indistinct at the edges, rising from a crystal ball. With the stylized, +</I>>>><i> bounded flame it looks rinky dink, toylike, and sharpening the +</I>>>><i> boundedness +</I>>>><i> only exacerbates the problem. The visual elements of a logo don't +</I>>>><i> *have* +</I>>>><i> to literal-mindedly combine to spell out a meaning. At least, +</I>>>><i> perusing the +</I>>>><i> submissions, I don't see anything as ugly as SUSE's (gecko?). +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Dale Huckeby +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Of course ! +</I>>><i> A crystal ball would inspire trust in a Linux operating system. +</I>>><i> Somehow, I'm not quite sure that most potential users would trust +</I>>><i> "magic" for serious tools that should always work. +</I>>><i> Did someone say "rinky dink, toylike" ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Personally, I would just like for it to be eye-catching and look nice. +</I>Definitely a plus. + +><i> I'd be pretty shallow and gullible if I trusted *or* distrusted Mageia +</I>><i> due to the shape of its logo rather than personal experience or word +</I>><i> of mouth. +</I>Others might say that you would have to be pretty shallow and gullible +if you base trust on word of mouth. +You have to realise that there are mamy cultural reasons why people may +trust/mistrust, find interesting/uninteresting various products. +Firstly, the logo in question is typical of a natural gas ad in North +America. +Also used by companies selling associated appliances. +So using such a logo would be negative in the sense of signalling +"uninteresting", *before* a potential user has tried Mageia. At least +in North America. +The magic theme would also have negative connotations for most potential +users in North America, largely based on historical abuses, and the +general disdain for "magic". To most it means "not serious". + +When I say negative connotations, I mean that people will just turn off +and not read further. They often won't even realise that Mageia is a +serious Linux distribution. +And if they do but don't know what that means, that won't induce the +curiosity to find out. +Which is why we need a logo that is interesting, but neutral in certain +important aspects. +For North America that means *No magic* and *no natural gas* + +><i> If people perceive Mageia as trustworthy its logo will evoke +</I>><i> that judgment because it's associated with Mageia, not because it's the +</I>><i> source of the judgment. +</I>But would you really "trust" a complex product like an operating system +before trying it ? +I wouldn't. And I'm a programmer. +><i> +</I>><i> Dale Huckeby +</I> +another 2 cents :) + +- André +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003092.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003091.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3106">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3106">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3106">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3106">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003107.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003107.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b999c1b4e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003107.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinh5MPHAS4UwDNp2V0sdCaJMPSR%2Bmhg6hWdJuy8%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003104.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003108.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinh5MPHAS4UwDNp2V0sdCaJMPSR%2Bmhg6hWdJuy8%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Nov 22 08:01:22 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003104.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3107">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3107">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3107">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3107">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/11/22 andre999 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> Obviously we don't agree. +</I> +Yes, we do. + +><i> The basic idea behind selecting the logo was to help present/promote Mageia. +</I> +Yes, that's right. But not like "Look at the fine logo, this +distribution must be good!" more like "Look there, the Mageia logo, +there must be people/news/information from Mageia or somebody who also +uses it." + +><i> I don't know about you, but when I started getting interested in Linux +</I>><i> (already a programmer for many years), I ended up choosing Red Hat. +</I> +Same as I. But you don't want to tell me that you chose it because of the logo? +I chose DLD as first distribution. I don't remember the logo. I don't +remember they even had one. + +><i> From your point of view, how is the logo important ? +</I>><i> If you don't think it is important, why do you bother to debate it ? +</I> +I already answered that question above. And I told several times why I +think a logo is important. We disagree in the way it is important. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003104.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3107">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3107">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3107">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3107">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003108.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003108.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..badde4d65 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003108.html @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3Cpan.2010.11.22.16.00.27.975568%40bcs.org.uk%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003107.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003122.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion</H1> + <B>Maurice Batey</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3Cpan.2010.11.22.16.00.27.975568%40bcs.org.uk%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion">maurice at bcs.org.uk + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Nov 22 17:00:28 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003107.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003122.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3108">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3108">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3108">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3108">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 18:38:22 +0100, Lawrence A Fossi wrote: + +><i> 2.<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/55329486@N03/5134846325/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/55329486@N03/5134846325/</A> +</I> + Me too. The otehr one I really like is the one with a compass in it. + +-- +/\/\aurice + + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003107.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003122.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3108">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3108">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3108">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3108">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003122.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003122.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..dec898338 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/003122.html @@ -0,0 +1,68 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3C4CEACE63.5030104%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003108.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion</H1> + <B>François Jaouen</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%20proposals%20discussion&In-Reply-To=%3C4CEACE63.5030104%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion">francois.jaouen at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Nov 22 21:11:15 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3122">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3122">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3122">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3122">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>My choices are : + +1) <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ofaurax/5127775007">http://www.flickr.com/photos/ofaurax/5127775007</A> + +Simple and related to mageia name + +2) <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5081228522/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5081228522/</A> + +Top left or bottom left. Simple, related to mageia name and a smart representation of the M letter. + +Other logos focusing on the M letter tend to make me think to Mac Donald, Olympique de Marseille, la Marque Jaune or Mozilla + +A big thanks to all the artists who shared their creation. + +Farf +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3122">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3122">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3122">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3122">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1a9d9d37c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101122/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,157 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss 22 November 2010 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>22 November 2010 Archives by author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Nov 22 00:20:14 CET 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Nov 22 21:11:15 CET 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 22<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="003108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3108"> </A> +<I>Maurice Batey +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003092.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3092"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003096.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3096"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003100.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3100"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003101.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3101"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003102.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3102"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003107.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3107"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003103.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3103"> </A> +<I>Hoyt Duff +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003105.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3105"> </A> +<I>Hoyt Duff +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003090.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3090"> </A> +<I>Dale Huckeby +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003122.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3122"> </A> +<I>François Jaouen +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003083.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3083"> </A> +<I>George J. 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Walsh +</I> + +<!--0 01290389759- --> +<LI><A HREF="003089.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3089"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01290389759-01290393891- --> +<LI><A HREF="003090.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3090"> </A> +<I>Dale Huckeby +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01290389759-01290393891-01290397266- --> +<LI><A HREF="003092.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3092"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--2 01290389759-01290393891-01290408898- --> +<LI><A HREF="003106.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3106"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01290396724- --> +<LI><A HREF="003091.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3091"> </A> +<I>andréb +</I> + +<!--0 01290397727- --> +<LI><A HREF="003093.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3093"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--0 01290398547- --> +<LI><A HREF="003094.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3094"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01290398547-01290399621- --> +<LI><A HREF="003096.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3096"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01290398547-01290399621-01290401814- --> +<LI><A HREF="003099.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3099"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01290398547-01290399621-01290401814-01290402354- --> +<LI><A HREF="003101.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3101"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01290398547-01290399621-01290401814-01290402354-01290402567- --> +<LI><A HREF="003102.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3102"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01290398547-01290399621-01290401814-01290402354-01290402567-01290406837- --> +<LI><A HREF="003103.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3103"> </A> +<I>Hoyt Duff +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01290399604- --> +<LI><A HREF="003095.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3095"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01290399604-01290407590- --> +<LI><A HREF="003105.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3105"> </A> +<I>Hoyt Duff +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01290399926- --> +<LI><A HREF="003097.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3097"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--0 01290400661- --> +<LI><A HREF="003098.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3098"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01290400661-01290401837- --> +<LI><A HREF="003100.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3100"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01290400661-01290401837-01290407042- --> +<LI><A HREF="003104.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3104"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01290400661-01290401837-01290407042-01290409282- --> +<LI><A HREF="003107.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3107"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01290441628- --> +<LI><A HREF="003108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3108"> </A> +<I>Maurice Batey +</I> + +<!--0 01290456675- --> +<LI><A HREF="003122.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion +</A><A NAME="3122"> </A> +<I>François Jaouen +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Mon Nov 22 21:11:15 CET 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri Nov 26 02:57:06 CET 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + |