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See this +mailing list. +The topic was discussed by the marketing group. See wiki. +There were guidelines and principles, related to design and technical +requirements. + +Yes, I'd say that a lot of thought was put into this. If you haven't +realized that you must have missed out on all those discussions and +informations. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002894.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2893">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2893">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2893">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2893">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002894.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002894.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ee54cff6d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002894.html @@ -0,0 +1,150 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3C4CD35EDA.4030300%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002893.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002895.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3C4CD35EDA.4030300%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 02:33:14 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002893.html">[Mageia-discuss] New Logo +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002895.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2894">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2894">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2894">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2894">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Marc Paré a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> Le 2010-11-01 08:50, André Machado a écrit : +</I>>><i> I fully agree and say more: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Mandriva One has six different isos for each language, what can +</I>>><i> confuse user; +</I>Actually 2 different CDs for Gnome, and 4 for KDE (because KDE needs +more space). +>><i> +</I>>><i> Ubuntu has only one iso with all languages, but the basic. Why not +</I>>><i> create a +</I>>><i> Mageia One with only basic languages? Rest of translations can be +</I>>><i> downloaded +</I>>><i> during installation. +</I>Possibly satisfactory for those with fast connexions and large +bandwidth, but unsuitable for those with slow connexions and/or limited +bandwidth. That is one failing of Ubuntu. +>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> And I agree: we can do something like a "Mageia Update Pack" when +</I>>><i> each month we +</I>>><i> create an updates iso with all updates from last month. +</I>It would be better to have all the updates since the last release, to +keep a more stable base. If packages are available as incremental +updates since the last release, the size of such updates will be +considerably smaller. That way we could potentially produce update CDs +at any time, from an incremental update repository. +><i> +</I>><i> OK, you know what I'll say to this, I like it! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Remembering that we are trying to keep the amount of data down for +</I>><i> dial-up connections: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Re: Mageia One: I think the idea behind the iso's was to try to divide +</I>><i> earth into 6 "language" areas in +</I>Actually only 2 for Gnome, 4 for KDE. +><i> the hopes of supplying an iso that was specifically targetted to each +</I>><i> specific areas. If we were to offer only 1 basic iso how much more +</I>><i> data would a user have to potentially need to download and would this +</I>><i> add a considerable time to her/his download time? +</I>Once (when I had more limited space on my main partition) I removed all +unwanted language files - not counting language-specific rpms, which +were not installed - and reduced the total space used by over 15%. +In the space still used, were all system-wide configuration files and +log files, as well as various temporary files. So considering that +there are many language-specific rpms, I would't be surprised if there +were 20% less space for applications on the all-languages CD. + +><i> As the original thread spoke of supplying a member with a Mageia disc +</I>><i> from a local Community, would the Community be able to provide a copy +</I>><i> of the Mageia One disc along with the translation required by the +</I>><i> user? Would this be possible? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Re: the main Mageia ISO: a "Mageia Update Pack" would be great. I +</I>><i> wonder, why would Mageia not offer this by default for download? Is +</I>><i> there a reason for this? +</I>One could always download the update repositories, which would be the +equivalent. +Rpmdrake could be modified to facilitate this. +However very few users would have close to all these packages installed +- and certainly not many bandwidth-limited users, as to do so would +require a very large amount of disk space. + +On reflection, it would probably be much more useful to have incremental +updates for individual packages, for the files changed in the package +since the last distro release. +Typically much less than 10% of the size of the full package; probably +more like 1%. + +Another post mentioned that all the updates from one release to the next +accumulated to 700M, or the size of a CD. It would be surprising if a +typical installation used more than 10% of the packages available, thus +not more than 70M, and a typical bandwidth-limited installation would be +much smaller. +So with incremental update rpms, we are talking about 7M or less for a +typical installation over 6 months, or about 1M/month, and much less for +a bandwidth limited installation. +Thus incremental updates seems to be a better solution for most +bandwidth limited users. +However CDs of updates could always be done on an ad hoc basis. +><i> +</I>><i> As the original thread was about supplying users with a copy of a +</I>><i> Mageia disk, the local Community could then supply the user with a +</I>><i> copy of the "Mageia Update Pack" disc. +</I>Another point : such a disc would only be up to date (or almost) at the +moment of its creation. 2 days later, it would almost assuredly be +outdated. +><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I> +my 2 cents :) + +- André +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002893.html">[Mageia-discuss] New Logo +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002895.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2894">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2894">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2894">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2894">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002895.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002895.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a1c6ca0cd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002895.html @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Introducing%20mageia-app-db&In-Reply-To=%3C1288920912.2499.171.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002894.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002905.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Introducing%20mageia-app-db&In-Reply-To=%3C1288920912.2499.171.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 02:35:12 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002894.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002905.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2895">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2895">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2895">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2895">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le jeudi 04 novembre 2010 à 09:58 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : +><i> Le jeudi 4 novembre 2010 09:01:33, Daniel Le Berre a écrit : +</I>><i> > I noticed that web site a few days ago: +</I>><i> > <A HREF="http://apps.mandriva.org.pl/en/category/gnome">http://apps.mandriva.org.pl/en/category/gnome</A> +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > It looks like it offers an "app store" like approach to package +</I>><i> > management for Mandriva. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > The current features are not much different from the current package +</I>><i> > manager, but it could be a good starting point for your project IMHO. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Thanks for the link, I didn't know about this project. There are interesting ideas there, from the presentation point of view. +</I>><i> However from what I see it will be easier for me to start from scratch (we already began) than reusing something else. +</I>><i> This is no NIH syndrome, rather the need to have total control on the database schema and the +</I>><i> code in order to be able to implement the features we want. +</I> +Not to mention that the source code do not seems available. + +May I suggest to take a look at the license AGPL v3 for the software +( and also the idea behind Franklin Street statement ) + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002894.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002905.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2895">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2895">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2895">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2895">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002896.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002896.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..09029e9f8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002896.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Introducing%20mageia-app-db&In-Reply-To=%3C1288921098.2499.174.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002908.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002909.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Introducing%20mageia-app-db&In-Reply-To=%3C1288921098.2499.174.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 02:38:18 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002908.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002909.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2896">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2896">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2896">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2896">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le jeudi 04 novembre 2010 à 22:34 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : + +><i> Sophie is not only a database of Mandriva RPM packages, but a database of RPM-based linux distributions' RPMs. +</I>><i> From what I know, sophie is : +</I>><i> - scripts that update a huge RPM database +</I>><i> - the database in itself +</I>><i> - an IRC bot + a web site (sophie.zarb.org) +</I>- a giraffe + +><i> Olivier Thauvin started to rewrite sophie so that it can provide package informations to other websites or +</I>><i> applications. Mageia-app-db will probably get information from sophie's database via XML-RPC or +</I>><i> any other means. +</I> +Technically, even if Olivier hide it, there is a xml-rpc interface :) +( except you can only use it like you use the irc bot so it can be quite +ugly ) +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002908.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002909.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2896">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2896">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2896">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2896">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002897.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002897.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0fd57f5e8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002897.html @@ -0,0 +1,110 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3C4CD363CB.5050009%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002917.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002898.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3C4CD363CB.5050009%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 02:54:19 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002917.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002898.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2897">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2897">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2897">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2897">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> +</I>><i> Tux99 wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> On Mon, 1 Nov 2010, Frank Griffin wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Weak point: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Unless you are prepared to do full intensive QA on the updated distro, +</I>>>><i> the quality of these updated ISOs can be significantly lower than the +</I>>>><i> quality of the original release ISO. Since it will look, for all +</I>>>><i> intents and purposes, like the release ISO, that level of quality will +</I>>>><i> be what people expect of it. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Nonsense. The normal updates are not any more unstable than the original +</I>>><i> release, rather the contrary. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> I suggest you review MDV's release procedures. Full releases and +</I>><i> security updates go through formal QA. Backports are often not even +</I>><i> tested by the person building the rpm. +</I>><i> +</I>Exactly. Even regular (non-security) updates are prone to errors. +><i> +</I>>><i> Of course occasional glitches can happen but they happen equally on the +</I>>><i> original install CDs (as has been proven again and again). +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> And they get addressed through updates which themselves go through QA. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> What difference is there between someone who installs from the original +</I>>><i> release CD and then applies updates vs. installing from a CD where the +</I>>><i> updates are already included? +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> In the first case, you can roll back the update. If all you've got is +</I>><i> two ISOs, and you're unfamiliar enough with CLI rpm to be using ISOs to +</I>><i> begin with, you're screwed unless you reinstall (or kept the old image, +</I>><i> which newbies are unlikely to do). +</I>That's one weakness of update CDs. Newbies are going to assume that +everything on CD/DVD is reliable. +><i> +</I>>><i> I'm all for the idea of updated ISOs that include all updates, too. +</I>Such ISOs will only be up to date the day they are produced. So regular +updates should still be done. +And what do you do if it contains a problematic update ? Recall the CD ? +At least with updates in repository, faulty updates can be withdrawn - +and sometimes are. + +- André + +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002917.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002898.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2897">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2897">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2897">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2897">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002898.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002898.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a91abb7d8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002898.html @@ -0,0 +1,120 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3C4CD36803.3080003%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002897.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002919.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3C4CD36803.3080003%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 03:12:19 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002897.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002919.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2898">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2898">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2898">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2898">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> +</I>><i> Le 2010-11-02 08:02, Tux99 a écrit : +</I>>><i> On Tue, 2 Nov 2010, Frank Griffin wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Tux99 wrote: +</I>>>>><i> On Mon, 1 Nov 2010, Frank Griffin wrote: +</I>>>>>><i> Weak point: +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> Unless you are prepared to do full intensive QA on the updated +</I>>>>>><i> distro, +</I>>>>>><i> the quality of these updated ISOs can be significantly lower than the +</I>>>>>><i> quality of the original release ISO. Since it will look, for all +</I>>>>>><i> intents and purposes, like the release ISO, that level of quality +</I>>>>>><i> will +</I>>>>>><i> be what people expect of it. +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Nonsense. The normal updates are not any more unstable than the +</I>>>>><i> original +</I>>>>><i> release, rather the contrary. +</I>>>><i> I suggest you review MDV's release procedures. Full releases and +</I>>>><i> security updates go through formal QA. Backports are often not even +</I>>>><i> tested by the person building the rpm. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Backports? Who is talking about backports? +</I>>><i> We are talking about normal security and bug-fix updates here. +</I>If one selects "all updates" in Rpmdrake, it includes backports, if such +repositorys are enabled. + +>>><i> And they get addressed through updates which themselves go through QA. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Exactly, that's why it make sense to release an updated iso with them +</I>>><i> included. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Agreed, we are not talking about backports at all. This issue is about +</I>><i> giving out an ISO disk with all official updates (to that date) to +</I>><i> people who cannot have their slow telephone hookup tied up for the day +</I>><i> to download our Mageia product or to user who have no hookup to the +</I>><i> internet at all. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Surely, the official updates have been thoroughly tested just as the +</I>><i> original release? It not, then a warning should be put out to +</I>><i> users/members that the official updates do not have the same level of +</I>><i> QA as the original release. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I> +Even bugfixes often have errors. Many times I've seen bugfixes of +bugfixes, and sometimes bugfixes of bugfixes of bugfixes. (If you read +the description.) +If we go for incremental rpms (very much smaller), the only advantage I +see is for those without Internet connexion. +In that case, they wouldn't likely be vulnerable to security problems. + So that leaves (other) bugfixes. +This is something that I think, for the time being at least, can be best +adressed on an individual or local community basis. + +- André + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002897.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002919.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2898">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2898">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2898">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2898">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002899.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002899.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..76d0df4d6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002899.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BOT%5D%20KDE%204.5.2%20for%20Mandrive&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTin6tFu4U2D14y%3D0hA9XueYMqWnJYGurb%2BQWDc2u%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002921.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002903.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive</H1> + <B>Juan Luis Baptiste</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BOT%5D%20KDE%204.5.2%20for%20Mandrive&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTin6tFu4U2D14y%3D0hA9XueYMqWnJYGurb%2BQWDc2u%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive">juan.baptiste at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 03:45:12 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002921.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002903.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2899">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2899">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2899">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2899">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste +<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">juan.baptiste at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 1:04 AM, Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> FWIW pulseaudio is disabled here and this bug doesn't seem to happen +</I>>><i> with PA enabled; how is it at your end? +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It's disabled too, but on i586 where I don't have this problem is +</I>><i> disabled too. I'll enable it and see how it goes tomorrow. +</I>><i> +</I> +Yeah it seems it works fine with pulseaudio, the problem is that I +can't use it beacuse Nexuiz sound suddenly stops working mid-game when +pulseaudio is enabled :/ + +-- +Juancho +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002921.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002903.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2899">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2899">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2899">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2899">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002900.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002900.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ab9bd9ce6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002900.html @@ -0,0 +1,138 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3C4CD384E3.8080409%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002915.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002901.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3C4CD384E3.8080409%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 05:15:31 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002915.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002901.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2900">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2900">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2900">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2900">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Marc Paré a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> Le 2010-11-02 10:04, André Machado a écrit : +</I>>><i> Let's not forget that a new ISO each month will require more disk +</I>>><i> space on server! +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Differences behind these "Update Packs" and Caldron can be that +</I>>><i> MUP will be secure and tested regular updates, and Caldron not, +</I>>><i> right? So, if MUP will be adopted, I suggest put ISOs on server +</I>>><i> by two months, after this they will be deleted. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Of curse, if local communities assume this work, disk space will +</I>>><i> not be a issue and Mageia will can put in its website a +</I>>><i> disclaimer that they're not responsable by that 3rd party ISOS +</I>>><i> and recommend official ISOS for production environment. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Hi André +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I would find this counter-productive. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I am just curious. As I am new to all of this. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> When I install Mandriva, I download the ISO from the Mandriva site, +</I>><i> then after the install, I go to Google, Google "Easy URPMI" and +</I>><i> install the official repositories and the PLF repositories. I then do +</I>><i> an "update". On Mandriva 2010.1 there are now almost 450 updated that +</I>><i> come through. +</I>That's because 2010.1 was released in July. (Some months late.) +Mandriva 2011.0 (car model numbering) is to be released soon. +><i> +</I>><i> Now, do these updates come from Mandriva? +</I>Yes, except for those coming from PLF. +BTW, you could have set up the Mandriva official repositories with +Rpmdrake instead. (But not PLF.) + +><i> If yes, are these updates not tested in the same way as the ISO +</I>><i> packages? If yes, would it not be possible to construct and ISO with +</I>><i> the "official updates" already applied? If yes, would it not make +</I>><i> sense that Mandriva stand behind this product with the updates? If +</I>><i> yes, then would the Communities be able to offer these to people as +</I>><i> official ISO's from Mandriva? +</I>Yes and no. Security updates are the most tested updates. Bugfixes are +also well tested. But the ISO packages are well tested together (in +cooker), over a longer period of time. Thus are less likely to have +errors relating to interaction with the system. +There is a reason for this. If there is something wrong with an update, +it can be withdrawn. It disappears from the repositories. +However if there is a bug on a release ISO, it stays there until the +next release. +There are bugs on the ISO, which is why security and other bugfix +updates are available. +But in percentage, updates are less reliable. +And no, it is not a good idea to merge updates into an official ISO and +release it as official. +First of all, it won't be. +And it won't be as thoroughly tested. + +Note that security updates (and bugfixes) are much more urgent to +release than fixing problems in cooker, since ordinary user's systems +are at risk. So there is less time to ensure perfection. + +And also note that commercial systems, like those of Microsoft, even +with all their massive resources, are never bug-free. +><i> +</I>><i> Note that you could then just replace the "Mandriva" name with the +</I>><i> "Mageia" name. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I> +- André + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002915.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002901.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2900">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2900">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2900">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2900">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002901.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002901.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..aa8528978 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002901.html @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3Cib02ko%24d51%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002900.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002902.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3Cib02ko%24d51%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 05:53:43 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002900.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002902.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2901">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2901">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2901">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2901">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-11-04 04:00, Margot a écrit : +><i> Blank CDs and DVDs are very cheap now in most Western countries, +</I>><i> and they weigh very little, so rather than wasting packagers' time +</I>><i> creating new ISOs all the time why don't we just offer to send 2 +</I>><i> discs - one with the original ISO and one with all recent updates? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Communities - and individuals willing to post to others where there +</I>><i> is no local community - could then keep a stock of the original ISO +</I>><i> discs and burn as required up-to-date copies of the contents of the +</I>><i> 'updates' branch of the appropriate tree from a mirror. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- Margot ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +</I>><i> **Otford Ducks Computers** We teach, you learn... ...and, if you don't +</I>><i> do your homework, we set the cat on you! +</I>><i> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +</I> +Hi Margot: + +You are correct. We are just discussing if we should be adding the +recent updates at all. With adding updates, there are still bug +considerations and the user may in fact install a distro that may fail +just by adding the most recent updates. + +But yes, the original ISO would be provided by the local community in +question. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002900.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002902.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2901">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2901">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2901">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2901">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002902.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002902.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7e0fbddc7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002902.html @@ -0,0 +1,122 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Introducing%20mageia-app-db&In-Reply-To=%3C4CD39846.3000103%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002901.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002904.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Introducing%20mageia-app-db&In-Reply-To=%3C4CD39846.3000103%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 06:38:14 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002901.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002904.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2902">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2902">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2902">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2902">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Marc Paré a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> Le 2010-11-04 04:58, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Le jeudi 4 novembre 2010 09:01:33, Daniel Le Berre a écrit : +</I>>>><i> I noticed that web site a few days ago: +</I>>>><i> <A HREF="http://apps.mandriva.org.pl/en/category/gnome">http://apps.mandriva.org.pl/en/category/gnome</A> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> It looks like it offers an "app store" like approach to package +</I>>>><i> management for Mandriva. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> The current features are not much different from the current package +</I>>>><i> manager, but it could be a good starting point for your project IMHO. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I like the idea, but the descriptions are too short and there are no +</I>><i> images and when a large section is called, you have to scroll too much. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Nice idea though. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I> +And no vertical scroll bar +Actually, Rpmdrake is less flashy but more informative. + +As for the proposed project, I think that the interactive nature fills a +big void which exists with Mandriva. An excellent idea. + +This project makes me think of enhancements to the existing installed +rpm database. +Although this project goes far beyond what would be useful in an +enhanced installed rpm database, +it might be a good idea to have the same/similar structure for the parts +in commun. +It would make it somewhat easier to maintain and interact between the 2 +databases. + +As far as the question of application/package view goes, folding entries +(as in Rpmdrake groups or Nautilus) which expands to multi-line would be +nice. +That way complex packages like Openoffice or Firefox could be folded +into 2 or 3 lines. +(1 for localisation, another possibly for optional modules, another for +core modules.) +Now Firefox is more than 100 packages. +This sort of suggestion has been made for Rpmdrake. +The advantage of this approach is that the minimised view could be the +default, and at any time it can be expanded to show all packages, +without any configuration settings. + +For downloads/installation, using Rpmdrake (or equivalent) would be +preferable in most cases, as it could directly update the installed rpm +database. +However I think this project would be excellent for the other suggested +uses. + +- André +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002901.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002904.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2902">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2902">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2902">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2902">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002903.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002903.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9f5df11d9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002903.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BOT%5D%20KDE%204.5.2%20for%20Mandrive&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikrx2TgkjoSO46wsBy3rM5vJ%2BwcNGX_qKHhJTL8%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002899.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002912.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BOT%5D%20KDE%204.5.2%20for%20Mandrive&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikrx2TgkjoSO46wsBy3rM5vJ%2BwcNGX_qKHhJTL8%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 06:43:24 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002899.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002912.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2903">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2903">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2903">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2903">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 5 November 2010 04:45, Juan Luis Baptiste <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">juan.baptiste at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste +</I>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">juan.baptiste at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 1:04 AM, Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>>><i> FWIW pulseaudio is disabled here and this bug doesn't seem to happen +</I>>>><i> with PA enabled; how is it at your end? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> It's disabled too, but on i586 where I don't have this problem is +</I>>><i> disabled too. I'll enable it and see how it goes tomorrow. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yeah it seems it works fine with pulseaudio, the problem is that I +</I>><i> can't use it beacuse Nexuiz sound suddenly stops working mid-game when +</I>><i> pulseaudio is enabled :/ +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Juancho +</I>><i> +</I> +OK please file a bug report and post the link here. Then me and you +can provide any info Colin asks for to debug this. + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002899.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002912.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2903">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2903">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2903">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2903">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002904.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002904.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ebf8170ea --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002904.html @@ -0,0 +1,185 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3C4CD39C6B.3090803%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002902.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002907.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3C4CD39C6B.3090803%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 06:55:55 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002902.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002907.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2904">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2904">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2904">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2904">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> +</I>><i> * andre999 (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>) wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Donald Stewart a écrit : +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> On 1 November 2010 10:24, Marc Paré<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Le 2010-11-01 06:00, Philippe DIDIER a écrit : +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Using delta rpms would reduce the size of the updates, or has my lack +</I>>>><i> of understanding of delta roms got in the way? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Delta rpms, relative to the latest distro release, are long overdue. +</I>>><i> (And not only in the Mandriva world. Also for Mozilla, OpenOffice, etc.) +</I>>><i> Note that for much commercial software, updates are normally delta. +</I>>><i> Such updates are often erroneously called patches. +</I>>><i> This may be partly a limitation of rpm packages, or more the programs +</I>>><i> that install/update such packages. If so, it should be a priority to +</I>>><i> correct this lack. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> The problem of delta rpm is the work need to generated alls delta and +</I>><i> the space need on mirrors to host everything. +</I>><i> We must provide delta for each version to the next one: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - main foo-1 +</I>><i> - upd foo-2 D: 1->2 +</I>><i> foo-3 D: 2->3 and 1->3 ? +</I>><i> foo-4 D: 3->4 and 1->4, 2->4 ? +</I>><i> +</I>I would make all delta updates relative to the distro release, i.e. +- main = foo-1 +- upd_full = foo-2, foo-3, foo-4, etc +- upd_delta = foo-1>2, foo-1>3, foo-1>4, etc +without foo 2>3, 2>4, 3>4 +(so half as many, with 3 updates.) + +Note that the idea is to retain full update packages, the delta updates +being a file-by-file diff of contained files (probably in their own +repository). +><i> etc... +</I>><i> What if delta 1->4 is bigger than the package itself ? and for 2->4 ? +</I>><i> +</I>Highly improbable, as I conceive it. +If foo-1.rpm contains files fooa foob fooc food, and only foob changes +to foob', +then full foo-2.rpm contains files fooa foob' fooc food +and delta foo-2d.rpm contains only file foob', with the info that this +replaces foob. +And of course with this model, there is no 2->4. +><i> Delta rpm is hard to manage (any volunteer to write the tools to manage +</I>><i> this ?) and as bonus, I am not sure it is still compatible with our +</I>><i> current rpm... +</I>><i> +</I>To create a delta rpm, one only needs the new full version (or the +proposed contents), and a script which automatically includes the new +files with the references to those replaced. +I'm not trying to say it is simple to write - especially since I +understand that the current tools are written in Perl - which has a +syntax which I barely understand. +But I'd be interested in contributing to my ability. + +You are quite likely right about compatibility with current rpm +However we need to enhance the rpm tools (rpmdrake, etc), so I think +this is good to investigate at the same time. +><i> +</I>>><i> However, the idea of update ISOs is good as well. +</I>>><i> This could be facilitated by the option of downloading the latest update +</I>>><i> for each package of the release not already present in the download +</I>>><i> destination (and preferably removing outdated updates). +</I>>><i> There is already an option for Rpmdrake to not erase downloaded packages. +</I>>><i> (Unfortunately one must manually edit a configuration file to select it, +</I>>><i> but that can easily be corrected.) +</I>>><i> It also would be useful to have the option to change the download +</I>>><i> destination. +</I>>><i> With these changes, creating an update ISO would be only a matter of +</I>>><i> copying the contents of the update directory to an ISO. +</I>>><i> Of course, an utility to directly create an update ISO from the +</I>>><i> repository would be useful, but the advantage of the above approach is +</I>>><i> that a moderately limited bandwidth user could download updates as +</I>>><i> produced (that is over an extended period), and produce complete update +</I>>><i> ISOs for others at any time. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Just think we don't have an infinite space on mirror. Even the sound +</I>><i> good, please try to estimated the cost it can be per release. +</I>><i> +</I>I agree it would take more space on mirrors, but as full updates take +much less space than the release, +delta updates would take considerably less space the full updates. +Also, the lower bandwidth to download for users would also benefit the +mirrors. + +The full updates would still be useful for those who download a package +for the first time. +But maybe ... if we arrive at a reliable delta update system, it might +be a good idea -- longer term -- to only use delta updates. If someone +installed a new package for which an update existed, the release package ++ update could be transparently (to the user) downloaded together. +Of course, there are a lot of factors to consider ... +Downloading both would take more bandwidth, but most of the time that +wouldn't be needed, and the mirrors would save some space (not stocking +full updates) ... + +BTW, regarding is download, I am thinking for a long time we must +provide par2 parity files. It can help low bandwidth to end download. +<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parchive">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parchive</A> + +Thanks for the reference. That is a really good idea. Before I got +slow DSL, that was a big problem. So it would help a lot of low +bandwidth users. + +my 2 cents :) + +- André + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002902.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002907.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2904">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2904">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2904">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2904">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002905.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002905.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..29de49efa --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002905.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Introducing%20mageia-app-db&In-Reply-To=%3C201011050918.08743.stormi%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002895.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002908.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db</H1> + <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Introducing%20mageia-app-db&In-Reply-To=%3C201011050918.08743.stormi%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db">stormi at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 09:18:08 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002895.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002908.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2905">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2905">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2905">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2905">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +Le vendredi 5 novembre 2010 02:35:12, Michael Scherer a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> Le jeudi 04 novembre 2010 à 09:58 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : +</I>><i> > Le jeudi 4 novembre 2010 09:01:33, Daniel Le Berre a écrit : +</I>><i> > > I noticed that web site a few days ago: +</I>><i> > > <A HREF="http://apps.mandriva.org.pl/en/category/gnome">http://apps.mandriva.org.pl/en/category/gnome</A> +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > It looks like it offers an "app store" like approach to package +</I>><i> > > management for Mandriva. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > The current features are not much different from the current package +</I>><i> > > manager, but it could be a good starting point for your project IMHO. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Thanks for the link, I didn't know about this project. There are interesting ideas there, from the presentation point of view. +</I>><i> > However from what I see it will be easier for me to start from scratch (we already began) than reusing something else. +</I>><i> > This is no NIH syndrome, rather the need to have total control on the database schema and the +</I>><i> > code in order to be able to implement the features we want. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Not to mention that the source code do not seems available. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> May I suggest to take a look at the license AGPL v3 for the software +</I>><i> ( and also the idea behind Franklin Street statement ) +</I> +Why not (although I didn't understand the Franklin Street thing). Why this very license rather than another one ? + +Regards + +Samuel Verschelde + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002895.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002908.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2905">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2905">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2905">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2905">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002906.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002906.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e19303300 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002906.html @@ -0,0 +1,109 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Introducing%20mageia-app-db&In-Reply-To=%3C201011051021.51794.stormi%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002922.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002914.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db</H1> + <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Introducing%20mageia-app-db&In-Reply-To=%3C201011051021.51794.stormi%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db">stormi at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 10:21:51 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002922.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002914.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2906">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2906">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2906">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2906">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +Le jeudi 4 novembre 2010 23:21:51, Frederic Janssens a écrit : +><i> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 22:38, Samuel Verschelde <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">stormi at laposte.net</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > Le jeudi 4 novembre 2010 02:00:22, Frederic Janssens a écrit : +</I>><i> > > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 23:27, Samuel Verschelde <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">stormi at laposte.net</A>> +</I>><i> > wrote: +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > > I tried to explain this project there : +</I>><i> > > > <A HREF="http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/MageiaAppDb">http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/MageiaAppDb</A> +</I>><i> > > > +</I>><i> > > > The more I look at the project, the more I like it. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > A comment on one aspect : as it would become the preferred interface to +</I>><i> > > inquire about the state of an app/package, I think the interface (and +</I>><i> > link +</I>><i> > > to bugzilla) for bug reporting will be crucial for the transition from +</I>><i> > > passive to active users. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > I will help with testing, perhaps more. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Thanks. You help will be welcome. I also think that information must flow +</I>><i> > between bugzilla and mageia-app-db as much as possible, we'll see how this +</I>><i> > is possible. Maybe this is a part of the project you could investigate ? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Yes. +</I>><i> I'm not very familiar with bugzilla, but I'm looking into it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Another aspect I have been thinking about is to have, per package/app, a +</I>><i> page giving a synthetic view : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> lines = versions of the app (reverse chrolonogy) +</I>><i> columns = versions of Mageia (and cauldron) +</I>><i> with rpm availability, updates, backports (actual, or requests) +</I>><i> and simple visual representation of stats : usage, "satisfaction", +</I>><i> "open bugs" ... (with link to details) +</I>><i> +</I> +Sounds great. I had something similar in mind. Do you think you could try to design this page's layout and content (on paper, in oodraw, or any other tool), so that we can visualize the needed features ? + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002922.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002914.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2906">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2906">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2906">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2906">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002907.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002907.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..30758000d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002907.html @@ -0,0 +1,153 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3C20101105110504.GK7479%40virgo.home.nanardon.zarb.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002904.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002911.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO</H1> + <B>Olivier Thauvin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3C20101105110504.GK7479%40virgo.home.nanardon.zarb.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 12:05:05 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002904.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002911.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2907">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2907">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2907">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2907">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>* andre999 (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>) wrote: +>><i> +</I>>><i> * andre999 (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>) wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Donald Stewart a écrit : +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> The problem of delta rpm is the work need to generated alls delta and +</I>>><i> the space need on mirrors to host everything. +</I>>><i> We must provide delta for each version to the next one: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> - main foo-1 +</I>>><i> - upd foo-2 D: 1->2 +</I>>><i> foo-3 D: 2->3 and 1->3 ? +</I>>><i> foo-4 D: 3->4 and 1->4, 2->4 ? +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> I would make all delta updates relative to the distro release, i.e. +</I>><i> - main = foo-1 +</I>><i> - upd_full = foo-2, foo-3, foo-4, etc +</I>><i> - upd_delta = foo-1>2, foo-1>3, foo-1>4, etc +</I>><i> without foo 2>3, 2>4, 3>4 +</I>><i> (so half as many, with 3 updates.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Note that the idea is to retain full update packages, the delta updates +</I>><i> being a file-by-file diff of contained files (probably in their own +</I>><i> repository). +</I> +That mean people udapting frequently their distribution will not profit +of delta rpm, then downloading the full rpm as soon they made one +update. + +Delta rpm will become not so usefull then, except for new install. + +>><i> etc... +</I>>><i> What if delta 1->4 is bigger than the package itself ? and for 2->4 ? +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Highly improbable, as I conceive it. +</I>><i> If foo-1.rpm contains files fooa foob fooc food, and only foob changes +</I>><i> to foob', +</I>><i> then full foo-2.rpm contains files fooa foob' fooc food +</I>><i> and delta foo-2d.rpm contains only file foob', with the info that this +</I>><i> replaces foob. +</I>><i> And of course with this model, there is no 2->4. +</I> +Changes between 1->4 will probably be bigger than 2->4 as there is more +changes between them. + +>><i> Delta rpm is hard to manage (any volunteer to write the tools to manage +</I>>><i> this ?) and as bonus, I am not sure it is still compatible with our +</I>>><i> current rpm... +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> To create a delta rpm, one only needs the new full version (or the +</I>><i> proposed contents), and a script which automatically includes the new +</I>><i> files with the references to those replaced. +</I>><i> I'm not trying to say it is simple to write - especially since I +</I>><i> understand that the current tools are written in Perl - which has a +</I>><i> syntax which I barely understand. +</I>><i> But I'd be interested in contributing to my ability. +</I> +Nothing deny you to start to work on this and then submit you code. It's +what I did for the mirrors tools :) + +We'll see when BS and SVN will be ready to merge it if it works. + +>><i> Just think we don't have an infinite space on mirror. Even the sound +</I>>><i> good, please try to estimated the cost it can be per release. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> I agree it would take more space on mirrors, but as full updates take +</I>><i> much less space than the release, +</I>><i> delta updates would take considerably less space the full updates. +</I>><i> Also, the lower bandwidth to download for users would also benefit the +</I>><i> mirrors. +</I> +You know, most of our rpms are less than 10MB, but du -sh is clear, the +distribution is around 35GB per arch. + +Nothing is really big on mirrors, but the results is. + +-- + +Olivier Thauvin +CNRS - LATMOS +♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖ +-------------- next part -------------- +A non-text attachment was scrubbed... +Name: not available +Type: application/pgp-signature +Size: 197 bytes +Desc: not available +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/67d7f089/attachment.asc> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002904.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002911.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2907">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2907">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2907">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2907">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002908.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002908.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2677c1d9a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002908.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Introducing%20mageia-app-db&In-Reply-To=%3C1288955337.25457.7.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002905.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002896.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Introducing%20mageia-app-db&In-Reply-To=%3C1288955337.25457.7.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 12:08:57 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002905.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002896.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2908">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2908">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2908">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2908">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le vendredi 05 novembre 2010 à 09:18 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : +><i> Le vendredi 5 novembre 2010 02:35:12, Michael Scherer a écrit : +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > May I suggest to take a look at the license AGPL v3 for the software +</I>><i> > ( and also the idea behind Franklin Street statement ) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Why not (although I didn't understand the Franklin Street thing). Why this very license rather than another one ? +</I> +The franklin street statement is just about free web service. + +And the AGPL is different from the GPL in the sense that user of a +network service are considered as user with AGPL, which mean they can +ask for source code and modification of the network service, which is +not the case of GPL. + +Ie, if I change a GPL software, let's say imp. The users of the web +software are not required to get modification nor source, since this is +not executed on their server. That's a loophole in the GPL. + +With AGPL v3, from what I understood, this is different, according to +the section 13 <A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/licenses/agpl-3.0.html">http://www.gnu.org/licenses/agpl-3.0.html</A> . Ie, if I +change statusnet, people viewing the website must receive a offer to get +the source code much like regular GPL for a regular non networked +software. + +But do not blindly trust me, try to read various things about it before +changing ( even if I found some FUD on the web about this :/ ). + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002905.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002896.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2908">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2908">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2908">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2908">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002909.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002909.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9779307ec --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002909.html @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Introducing%20mageia-app-db&In-Reply-To=%3C20101105110906.GL7479%40virgo.home.nanardon.zarb.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002896.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002910.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db</H1> + <B>Olivier Thauvin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Introducing%20mageia-app-db&In-Reply-To=%3C20101105110906.GL7479%40virgo.home.nanardon.zarb.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 12:09:06 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002896.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002910.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2909">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2909">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2909">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2909">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>* Michael Scherer (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>) wrote: +><i> Le jeudi 04 novembre 2010 à 22:34 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > Sophie is not only a database of Mandriva RPM packages, but a database of RPM-based linux distributions' RPMs. +</I>><i> > From what I know, sophie is : +</I>><i> > - scripts that update a huge RPM database +</I>><i> > - the database in itself +</I>><i> > - an IRC bot + a web site (sophie.zarb.org) +</I>><i> - a giraffe +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > Olivier Thauvin started to rewrite sophie so that it can provide package informations to other websites or +</I>><i> > applications. Mageia-app-db will probably get information from sophie's database via XML-RPC or +</I>><i> > any other means. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Technically, even if Olivier hide it, there is a xml-rpc interface :) +</I>><i> ( except you can only use it like you use the irc bot so it can be quite +</I>><i> ugly ) +</I> +A rewrite of sophie is on the way, more focus this time of being +reusable, with real XML-RPC, AJAX and maybe other Web 2.0 technologies. + +And I got mad, I'll link it to facebook so Sophie will be able to have +firends ! :) + +><i> -- +</I>><i> Michael Scherer +</I>><i> +</I>-- + +Olivier Thauvin +CNRS - LATMOS +♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖ +-------------- next part -------------- +A non-text attachment was scrubbed... +Name: not available +Type: application/pgp-signature +Size: 197 bytes +Desc: not available +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/a232acd6/attachment.asc> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002896.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002910.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2909">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2909">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2909">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2909">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002910.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002910.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ede241d2b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002910.html @@ -0,0 +1,69 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Introducing%20mageia-app-db&In-Reply-To=%3C1288955757.25457.9.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002909.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002917.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Introducing%20mageia-app-db&In-Reply-To=%3C1288955757.25457.9.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 12:15:57 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002909.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002917.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2910">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2910">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2910">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2910">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le vendredi 05 novembre 2010 à 12:09 +0100, Olivier Thauvin a écrit : + +><i> And I got mad, I'll link it to facebook so Sophie will be able to have +</I>><i> firends ! :) +</I> +In fact, sophie could become a social network for rpm : +replace Requires by friend, replace changelog by a wall, and share +screenshot instead of photos. + +( the idea is olivier's one but I think he is ashamed to post it ) +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002909.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002917.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2910">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2910">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2910">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2910">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002911.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002911.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..80d22f6ee --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002911.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3C4CD40E2F.8090706%40unige.ch%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002907.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002922.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO</H1> + <B>Juergen Harms</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3C4CD40E2F.8090706%40unige.ch%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 15:01:19 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002907.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002922.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2911">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2911">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2911">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2911">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 11/05/2010 06:55 AM, andre999 wrote: +><i> I would make all delta updates relative to the distro release, i.e. +</I>><i> - main = foo-1 +</I>><i> - upd_full = foo-2, foo-3, foo-4, etc +</I> +I have a feeling that just distributing snapshots of the update +repositories (they are relative the release) is a wise thing to start +with. That is simple, does not require new software and is easy to put +in place. If Mageia wants to go further, it might be a good step to +learn from (how much is it used, what has a tendency to go wrong, do +people have difficutlies ...) and base furthers steps upon. + +Re risk - updates have a certain risk that an update introduces +problems, you cant get away from that, however the packages are distributed. + +One thought based on dealing with risks and being selective with +introducing updates: how about adding to a DVD with update packages also +a structure (plain file ?) with the corresonponding security advisories? +This entire discusion is on making life easy for users with bad +connectivity - they might like to avoid fetching advisories over the net +also. + +But I really think that some learning is necessary. How many users will +need such a facility? how much investment is justified in creating the +facility? +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002907.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002922.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2911">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2911">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2911">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2911">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002912.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002912.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2eb727a17 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002912.html @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BOT%5D%20KDE%204.5.2%20for%20Mandrive&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikrdaaHS5YidgqWN2%2BGZVshhCxjxqPAEDaaidFg%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002903.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002915.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive</H1> + <B>Juan Luis Baptiste</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BOT%5D%20KDE%204.5.2%20for%20Mandrive&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikrdaaHS5YidgqWN2%2BGZVshhCxjxqPAEDaaidFg%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive">juan.baptiste at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 16:04:19 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002903.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002915.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2912">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2912">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2912">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2912">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> OK please file a bug report and post the link here. Then me and you +</I>><i> can provide any info Colin asks for to debug this. +</I>><i> +</I> +Done: + +<A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=61541">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=61541</A> + + +-- +Juancho +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002903.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002915.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2912">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2912">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2912">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2912">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002913.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002913.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c9e090239 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002913.html @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Interview%20de%20Anne%20Nicolas%20pour%20Mageia%20%5Bfrench%5D&In-Reply-To=%3C201011051343.45164.terraagua%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002914.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002916.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french]</H1> + <B>MacXi</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Interview%20de%20Anne%20Nicolas%20pour%20Mageia%20%5Bfrench%5D&In-Reply-To=%3C201011051343.45164.terraagua%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french]">terraagua at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 16:43:44 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002914.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002916.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2913">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2913">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2913">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2913">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Em Terça-feira 02 Novembro 2010, às 16:28:12, Maarten Vanraes escreveu: +><i> Op dinsdag 02 november 2010 18:19:45 schreef Olivier Méjean: +</I>><i> [...] +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > If i am couragous, i will do an English translation +</I> +><i> google translate to english: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Philippe Nieuwbourg - Hello everyone, welcome to the TV set of open +</I>><i> world forum, we will now turn to another topic with our +</I>><i> new guest Anne Nicolas, +</I> + +Olá! + +I'm sending attached the subtitle translated into Portuguese, for the video +interview with Anne Nicolas. + +I used the software "Subtitle Editor 0.36.2" +(<A HREF="http://home.gna.org/subtitleeditor/">http://home.gna.org/subtitleeditor/</A>) in Mandriva 2010.1. + +Cheers! + +MacXi +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/9871c60c/attachment-0001.html> +-------------- next part -------------- +A non-text attachment was scrubbed... +Name: legendas_Anne-Nicolas_outubro-2010_pt-br.srt +Type: application/x-subrip +Size: 14358 bytes +Desc: not available +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/9871c60c/attachment-0001.bin> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002914.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002916.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2913">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2913">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2913">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2913">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002914.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002914.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b08511fc6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002914.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Introducing%20mageia-app-db&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTima9f3jhgFCXOL%3DmvdNL7JdAj%3D1zcUTBXkXTdqu%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002906.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002913.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db</H1> + <B>Frederic Janssens</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Introducing%20mageia-app-db&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTima9f3jhgFCXOL%3DmvdNL7JdAj%3D1zcUTBXkXTdqu%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db">fjanss at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 16:55:59 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002906.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002913.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2914">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2914">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2914">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2914">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 10:21, Samuel Verschelde <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">stormi at laposte.net</A>> wrote: + +><i> > Another aspect I have been thinking about is to have, per package/app, a +</I>><i> > page giving a synthetic view : +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > lines = versions of the app (reverse chrolonogy) +</I>><i> > columns = versions of Mageia (and cauldron) +</I>><i> > with rpm availability, updates, backports (actual, or requests) +</I>><i> > and simple visual representation of stats : usage, +</I>><i> "satisfaction", +</I>><i> > "open bugs" ... (with link to details) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Sounds great. I had something similar in mind. Do you think you could try +</I>><i> to design this page's layout and content (on paper, in oodraw, or any other +</I>><i> tool), so that we can visualize the needed features ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Will do. +</I> +-- + +Frederic +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/8341ac0d/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002906.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002913.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2914">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2914">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2914">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2914">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002915.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002915.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a0ad9768c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002915.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BOT%5D%20KDE%204.5.2%20for%20Mandrive&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik-R6c%3DwKos9Sv0gPMTjLasQvAWknKsX_rz08ed%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002912.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002900.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BOT%5D%20KDE%204.5.2%20for%20Mandrive&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik-R6c%3DwKos9Sv0gPMTjLasQvAWknKsX_rz08ed%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 17:24:36 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002912.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002900.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2915">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2915">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2915">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2915">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 5 November 2010 17:04, Juan Luis Baptiste <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">juan.baptiste at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> OK please file a bug report and post the link here. Then me and you +</I>>><i> can provide any info Colin asks for to debug this. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Done: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=61541">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=61541</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Juancho +</I>><i> +</I> +Actually I meant a bug report about kded crashing when an app that +uses phonon for sound starts :) + +I'll file a report about phonon tomorrow morning. + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002912.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002900.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2915">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2915">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2915">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2915">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002916.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002916.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2e1f8e2d9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002916.html @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Introducing%20mageia-app-db&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim2kDiiaQVuKLA2iKv%3D5oCseRn60yBJ-xwaid80%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002913.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002923.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db</H1> + <B>Frederic Janssens</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Introducing%20mageia-app-db&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim2kDiiaQVuKLA2iKv%3D5oCseRn60yBJ-xwaid80%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db">fjanss at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 17:42:28 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002913.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002923.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2916">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2916">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2916">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2916">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 22:38, Samuel Verschelde <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">stormi at laposte.net</A>> wrote: + +><i> Le jeudi 4 novembre 2010 02:00:22, Frederic Janssens a écrit : +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I will help with testing, perhaps more. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Thanks. You help will be welcome. I also think that information must flow +</I>><i> between bugzilla and mageia-app-db as much as possible, we'll see how this +</I>><i> is possible. Maybe this is a part of the project you could investigate ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Regards +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Samuel Verschelde +</I>><i> +</I> +><i>From what I've seen the interface with bugzilla would be sql/xml-rpc , the +</I>same as for (neo)sophie. So generic code could be common. +You seem to use Symfony (1.4 I presume) with Propel. Is there a plugin for +sql/xml-rpc ? If yes, have you selected one ? + +Another aspect : the priority is clearly Mageia-bugzilla, but would it be +reasonable later on to try to take on (some) upstream bugzilla's ? + + +-- + +Frederic +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/27a16956/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002913.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002923.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2916">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2916">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2916">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2916">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002917.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002917.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ee2fd03b5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002917.html @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Introducing%20mageia-app-db&In-Reply-To=%3C201011051746.49768.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002910.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002897.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Introducing%20mageia-app-db&In-Reply-To=%3C201011051746.49768.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 17:46:49 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002910.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002897.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2917">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2917">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2917">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2917">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op vrijdag 05 november 2010 12:09:06 schreef Olivier Thauvin: +><i> * Michael Scherer (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>) wrote: +</I>><i> > Le jeudi 04 novembre 2010 à 22:34 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : +</I>><i> > > Sophie is not only a database of Mandriva RPM packages, but a database +</I>><i> > > of RPM-based linux distributions' RPMs. From what I know, sophie is : +</I>><i> > > - scripts that update a huge RPM database +</I>><i> > > - the database in itself +</I>><i> > > - an IRC bot + a web site (sophie.zarb.org) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > - a giraffe +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > > Olivier Thauvin started to rewrite sophie so that it can provide +</I>><i> > > package informations to other websites or applications. Mageia-app-db +</I>><i> > > will probably get information from sophie's database via XML-RPC or +</I>><i> > > any other means. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Technically, even if Olivier hide it, there is a xml-rpc interface :) +</I>><i> > ( except you can only use it like you use the irc bot so it can be quite +</I>><i> > ugly ) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A rewrite of sophie is on the way, more focus this time of being +</I>><i> reusable, with real XML-RPC, AJAX and maybe other Web 2.0 technologies. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And I got mad, I'll link it to facebook so Sophie will be able to have +</I>><i> firends ! :) +</I> +haha, nice; where is she, i want to befriend her! +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002910.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002897.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2917">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2917">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2917">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2917">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002918.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002918.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..979945ce4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002918.html @@ -0,0 +1,111 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Introducing%20mageia-app-db&In-Reply-To=%3C201011051752.22340.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002924.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002920.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Introducing%20mageia-app-db&In-Reply-To=%3C201011051752.22340.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 17:52:22 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002924.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002920.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2918">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2918">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2918">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2918">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op woensdag 03 november 2010 23:27:12 schreef Samuel Verschelde: +><i> Hello to everyone, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> While things are setting up (infrastructure, teams...), which will allow us +</I>><i> all to begin real work on our new linux distribution as soon as possible, +</I>><i> a new project is coming to life. We want to produce a website dedicated to +</I>><i> mageia's packages, and whose main goals would be : - allow to browse the +</I>><i> package database, provide the main informations about packages, like any +</I>><i> other distribution does (see <A HREF="http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages">http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages</A> for +</I>><i> example). - focus on interaction between users, testers and packagers +</I>><i> (backports requests and voting, new soft requests and voting, and the +</I>><i> other way round : testing requests from packagers to users) - customizable +</I>><i> user notifications on your home page, RSS feed or e-mail (new backport +</I>><i> available for you preferred soft, new update candidate available and +</I>><i> awaiting testing...) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I tried to explain this project there : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/MageiaAppDb">http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/MageiaAppDb</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It was announced yesterday during the founders meeting : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meetings">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meetings</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The project is at its very beginning, and the task is huge, so we'll +</I>><i> proceed step by step. You can see our temporary roadmap here : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://github.com/agallou/mageia-app-db/wiki/ROADMAP">http://github.com/agallou/mageia-app-db/wiki/ROADMAP</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We will probably need help, however this is too soon for me to say exactly +</I>><i> on what parts of the project (testing, development, translation, +</I>><i> artwork...). I'll send a mail to the mageia-webteam mailing list to +</I>><i> discuss this with people who are interested, in the following days (apart +</I>><i> from this thread, future discussion on the project will mainly happen on +</I>><i> the mageia-webteam mailing list). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Right now, I'm mainly interested in your comments on this project, and also +</I>><i> welcome any suggestions about the needs we have to answer (did we forget +</I>><i> something ?), and ideas of functionalities. It doesn't mean we'll be able +</I>><i> to implement everything, but at this stage I want to envision every +</I>><i> possible idea :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Best regards +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Samuel Verschelde (Stormi) +</I> +i don't know if this is also the purpose for this; but what about: + - adding the maint.mandriva.com functionality: ie: setting the maintainer(s). + - having multiple maintainers per package (src.rpm) + +Kind regards, + +Maarten +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002924.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002920.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2918">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2918">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2918">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2918">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002919.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002919.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bb378ed41 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002919.html @@ -0,0 +1,132 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3C4CD43F15.9060508%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002898.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002921.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO</H1> + <B>david</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3C4CD43F15.9060508%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO">david.naura at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 18:29:57 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002898.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002921.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2919">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2919">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2919">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2919">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Le 05/11/2010 03:12, andre999 a écrit : +><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Le 2010-11-02 08:02, Tux99 a écrit : +</I>>>><i> On Tue, 2 Nov 2010, Frank Griffin wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Tux99 wrote: +</I>>>>>><i> On Mon, 1 Nov 2010, Frank Griffin wrote: +</I>>>>>>><i> Weak point: +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> Unless you are prepared to do full intensive QA on the updated +</I>>>>>>><i> distro, +</I>>>>>>><i> the quality of these updated ISOs can be significantly lower than +</I>>>>>>><i> the +</I>>>>>>><i> quality of the original release ISO. Since it will look, for all +</I>>>>>>><i> intents and purposes, like the release ISO, that level of quality +</I>>>>>>><i> will +</I>>>>>>><i> be what people expect of it. +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> Nonsense. The normal updates are not any more unstable than the +</I>>>>>><i> original +</I>>>>>><i> release, rather the contrary. +</I>>>>><i> I suggest you review MDV's release procedures. Full releases and +</I>>>>><i> security updates go through formal QA. Backports are often not even +</I>>>>><i> tested by the person building the rpm. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Backports? Who is talking about backports? +</I>>>><i> We are talking about normal security and bug-fix updates here. +</I>><i> If one selects "all updates" in Rpmdrake, it includes backports, if +</I>><i> such repositorys are enabled. +</I>><i> +</I>>>>><i> And they get addressed through updates which themselves go through QA. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Exactly, that's why it make sense to release an updated iso with them +</I>>>><i> included. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Agreed, we are not talking about backports at all. This issue is +</I>>><i> about giving out an ISO disk with all official updates (to that date) +</I>>><i> to people who cannot have their slow telephone hookup tied up for the +</I>>><i> day to download our Mageia product or to user who have no hookup to +</I>>><i> the internet at all. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Surely, the official updates have been thoroughly tested just as the +</I>>><i> original release? It not, then a warning should be put out to +</I>>><i> users/members that the official updates do not have the same level of +</I>>><i> QA as the original release. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Marc +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Even bugfixes often have errors. Many times I've seen bugfixes of +</I>><i> bugfixes, and sometimes bugfixes of bugfixes of bugfixes. (If you +</I>><i> read the description.) +</I>><i> If we go for incremental rpms (very much smaller), the only advantage +</I>><i> I see is for those without Internet connexion. +</I>><i> In that case, they wouldn't likely be vulnerable to security problems. +</I>><i> So that leaves (other) bugfixes. +</I>><i> This is something that I think, for the time being at least, can be +</I>><i> best adressed on an individual or local community basis. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - André +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>There is a solution called draklive. Maybe could it be usefull to take +advantage of this tool to rebuild automatically by a script on the +servers the isos from updated repositories. 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+ +I'm sending attached the subtitle translated into ENGLISH, for the video +interview with Anne Nicolas. + +I used the software "Subtitle Editor 0.36.2" +(<A HREF="http://home.gna.org/subtitleeditor/">http://home.gna.org/subtitleeditor/</A>) in Mandriva 2010.1. + +With this file and this software, can be done easily translated into other +languages. + +There is a wiki +(<A HREF="http://kitone.free.fr/subtitleeditor/wiki/doku.php?id=manual:translation">http://kitone.free.fr/subtitleeditor/wiki/doku.php?id=manual:translation</A>) +with documentation about how to do a translation with "Subtitle Editor". + +Using the "Subtitle Editor", you open this file with subtitles in english and +select the toolbar "view" and "translate". + +But I call attention to the need to save the translation in a separate file. +This is done in the (toolbar) "File" "save" and "save translation". give a +"new name" and "ok". + +Cheers! + +MacXi + +attached file name -->> (Subtitle_Anne-Nicolas_October-2010_english.srt) +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/15207286/attachment.html> +-------------- next part -------------- +A non-text attachment was scrubbed... +Name: Subtitle_Anne-Nicolas_October-2010_english.srt +Type: application/x-subrip +Size: 13683 bytes +Desc: not available +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/15207286/attachment.bin> +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002918.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2920">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2920">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2920">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2920">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002921.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002921.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a9a346ca4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002921.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3Cib1p5c%2412s%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002919.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002899.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3Cib1p5c%2412s%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 21:24:11 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002919.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002899.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2921">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2921">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2921">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2921">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-11-04 22:12, andre999 a écrit : + +><i> +</I>><i> Even bugfixes often have errors. Many times I've seen bugfixes of +</I>><i> bugfixes, and sometimes bugfixes of bugfixes of bugfixes. (If you read +</I>><i> the description.) +</I>><i> If we go for incremental rpms (very much smaller), the only advantage I +</I>><i> see is for those without Internet connexion. +</I>><i> In that case, they wouldn't likely be vulnerable to security problems. +</I>><i> So that leaves (other) bugfixes. +</I>><i> This is something that I think, for the time being at least, can be best +</I>><i> adressed on an individual or local community basis. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - André +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +Therefore, for a Mageia Community to supply an ISO to a member who has +dial-up services but is seeking help from the community for an ISO +download. Options would be: + +* provide user with ISO from Mageia without any updates + +* provide a user with ISO from Mageia with incremental updates + +* provide a user with ISO from Mageia with all updates + +Obviously, the two last options are not available from Mageia as this is +what this thread was all about. Unless there were built ISO's at the +Mageia download site. The main concerns really are the amount of disk +space on Mageia servers and mirrors. But these last two ISO's could be +built somehow if the server space could be accommodated and also if +there was dev interest in doing these ISOs. + +Marc + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002919.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002899.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2921">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2921">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2921">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2921">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002922.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002922.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f01701695 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002922.html @@ -0,0 +1,102 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3Cib1ppr%243tl%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002911.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002906.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3Cib1ppr%243tl%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 21:35:06 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002911.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002906.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2922">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2922">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2922">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2922">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-11-05 10:01, Juergen Harms a écrit : +><i> On 11/05/2010 06:55 AM, andre999 wrote: +</I>>><i> I would make all delta updates relative to the distro release, i.e. +</I>>><i> - main = foo-1 +</I>>><i> - upd_full = foo-2, foo-3, foo-4, etc +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I have a feeling that just distributing snapshots of the update +</I>><i> repositories (they are relative the release) is a wise thing to start +</I>><i> with. That is simple, does not require new software and is easy to put +</I>><i> in place. If Mageia wants to go further, it might be a good step to +</I>><i> learn from (how much is it used, what has a tendency to go wrong, do +</I>><i> people have difficutlies ...) and base furthers steps upon. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Re risk - updates have a certain risk that an update introduces +</I>><i> problems, you cant get away from that, however the packages are +</I>><i> distributed. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> One thought based on dealing with risks and being selective with +</I>><i> introducing updates: how about adding to a DVD with update packages also +</I>><i> a structure (plain file ?) with the corresonponding security advisories? +</I>><i> This entire discusion is on making life easy for users with bad +</I>><i> connectivity - they might like to avoid fetching advisories over the net +</I>><i> also. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But I really think that some learning is necessary. How many users will +</I>><i> need such a facility? how much investment is justified in creating the +</I>><i> facility? +</I>><i> +</I> +I think it's more of how much have people become accustomed to having +their dial-up connections tied up for hours for an ISO download and then +updates. + +I am on two projects, Mageia and LibreOffice, and on both I have read +from people who were hoping to be heard that they only have dial-up and +could this please be considered. I think that dial-up connections are +more prevalent than we think. We "high speed" internet users seem to +lose sight that some of our market targets are dial-up service members. + +I don't know if they would use any of these services. They may have +become so accustomed to tying up their phone lines for long periods of +time, that they may not even care any more even if Community services +were available. It may mean a matter of their local Mageia Community +advertising the fact that these service are available. + +Marc + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002911.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002906.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2922">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2922">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2922">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2922">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002923.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002923.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ab4508053 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002923.html @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Introducing%20mageia-app-db&In-Reply-To=%3C201011052153.14169.stormi%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002916.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002924.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db</H1> + <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Introducing%20mageia-app-db&In-Reply-To=%3C201011052153.14169.stormi%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db">stormi at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 21:53:14 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002916.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002924.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2923">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2923">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2923">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2923">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le vendredi 5 novembre 2010 17:42:28, Frederic Janssens a écrit : +><i> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 22:38, Samuel Verschelde <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">stormi at laposte.net</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > Le jeudi 4 novembre 2010 02:00:22, Frederic Janssens a écrit : +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > I will help with testing, perhaps more. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Thanks. You help will be welcome. I also think that information must flow +</I>><i> > between bugzilla and mageia-app-db as much as possible, we'll see how this +</I>><i> > is possible. Maybe this is a part of the project you could investigate ? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Regards +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Samuel Verschelde +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> >From what I've seen the interface with bugzilla would be sql/xml-rpc , the +</I>><i> same as for (neo)sophie. So generic code could be common. +</I>><i> You seem to use Symfony (1.4 I presume) with Propel. Is there a plugin for +</I>><i> sql/xml-rpc ? If yes, have you selected one ? +</I> +I don't know what you mean for sql/xml-rpc. There are functions to query a database or to issue xml-rpc requests, however I don't see what a plugin doing both is :) + +><i> +</I>><i> Another aspect : the priority is clearly Mageia-bugzilla, but would it be +</I>><i> reasonable later on to try to take on (some) upstream bugzilla's ? +</I>><i> +</I> +Reasonable I don't know, but why not. doc4.mandriva.com seems to link to debian's bugzilla. However, linking to upstream bugzilla's may be outside mageia-app-db's scope, however nothing prevents from studying its feasability. + +Regards + +Samuel +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002916.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002924.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2923">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2923">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2923">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2923">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002924.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002924.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4fc42ab0b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/002924.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Introducing%20mageia-app-db&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinAi1pu8p5KV4M7KZfSxyzO5n18JbL7erikhvs4%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002923.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002918.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db</H1> + <B>Frederic Janssens</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Introducing%20mageia-app-db&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinAi1pu8p5KV4M7KZfSxyzO5n18JbL7erikhvs4%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db">fjanss at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Nov 5 23:16:14 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002923.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002918.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2924">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2924">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2924">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2924">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 21:53, Samuel Verschelde <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">stormi at laposte.net</A>> wrote: + +><i> I don't know what you mean for sql/xml-rpc. There are functions to query a +</I>><i> database or to issue xml-rpc requests, however I don't see what a plugin +</I>><i> doing both is :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Perhaps I got it wrong, I thought the query to the sql database went trough +</I>an xml-rpc request. + +><i> +</I>><i> > Another aspect : the priority is clearly Mageia-bugzilla, but would it be +</I>><i> > reasonable later on to try to take on (some) upstream bugzilla's ? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Reasonable I don't know, but why not. doc4.mandriva.com seems to link to +</I>><i> debian's bugzilla. However, linking to upstream bugzilla's may be outside +</I>><i> mageia-app-db's scope, however nothing prevents from studying its +</I>><i> feasability. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Ok, for later. +</I>I did'nt know doc4 <<A HREF="http://doc4.mandriva.com/">http://doc4.mandriva.com/</A>>. I suppose it was too heavy +to be considered ? + +-- + +Frederic +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101105/34a38d14/attachment.html> +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002923.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002918.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2924">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2924">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2924">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2924">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/author.html new file mode 100644 index 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+<LI><A HREF="002906.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2906"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002907.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2907"> </A> +<I>Olivier Thauvin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002908.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2908"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002909.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2909"> </A> +<I>Olivier Thauvin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002910.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2910"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002911.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2911"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002912.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A><A NAME="2912"> </A> +<I>Juan Luis Baptiste +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002913.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A><A NAME="2913"> </A> +<I>MacXi +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002914.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2914"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002915.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A><A NAME="2915"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002916.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2916"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002917.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2917"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002918.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2918"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002919.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2919"> </A> +<I>david +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002920.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A><A NAME="2920"> </A> +<I>MacXi +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002921.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2921"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002922.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2922"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002923.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2923"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002924.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2924"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Fri Nov 5 23:16:14 CET 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri Nov 5 23:16:20 CET 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/index.html 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<b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Nov 5 23:16:14 CET 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 32<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="002899.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A><A NAME="2899"> </A> +<I>Juan Luis Baptiste +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002903.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A><A NAME="2903"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002912.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A><A NAME="2912"> </A> +<I>Juan Luis Baptiste +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002915.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A><A NAME="2915"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002913.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A><A NAME="2913"> </A> +<I>MacXi +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002920.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A><A NAME="2920"> </A> +<I>MacXi +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002895.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2895"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002896.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2896"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002902.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2902"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002905.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2905"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002906.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2906"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002908.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2908"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002909.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2909"> </A> +<I>Olivier Thauvin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002910.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2910"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002914.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2914"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002916.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2916"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002917.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2917"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002918.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2918"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002923.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2923"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002924.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2924"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002893.html">[Mageia-discuss] New Logo +</A><A NAME="2893"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002894.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2894"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002897.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2897"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002898.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2898"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002900.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2900"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002901.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2901"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002904.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2904"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002907.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2907"> </A> +<I>Olivier Thauvin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002911.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2911"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002919.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2919"> </A> +<I>david +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002921.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2921"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002922.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2922"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Fri Nov 5 23:16:14 CET 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri Nov 5 23:16:20 CET 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/thread.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/thread.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ed4e65128 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101105/thread.html @@ -0,0 +1,265 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss 5 November 2010 Archive by thread</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>5 November 2010 Archives by thread</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Nov 5 01:48:15 CET 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Nov 5 23:16:14 CET 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 32<p> + <ul> + +<!--0 01288918095- --> +<LI><A HREF="002893.html">[Mageia-discuss] New Logo +</A><A NAME="2893"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--0 01288920794- --> +<LI><A HREF="002894.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2894"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--0 01288920912- --> +<LI><A HREF="002895.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2895"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01288920912-01288945088- --> +<LI><A HREF="002905.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2905"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01288920912-01288945088-01288955337- --> +<LI><A HREF="002908.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2908"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01288921098- --> +<LI><A HREF="002896.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2896"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01288921098-01288955346- --> +<LI><A HREF="002909.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2909"> </A> +<I>Olivier Thauvin +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01288921098-01288955346-01288955757- --> +<LI><A HREF="002910.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2910"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<!--2 01288921098-01288955346-01288975609- --> +<LI><A HREF="002917.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2917"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01288922059- --> +<LI><A HREF="002897.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2897"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--0 01288923139- --> +<LI><A HREF="002898.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2898"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01288923139-01288978197- --> +<LI><A HREF="002919.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2919"> </A> +<I>david +</I> + +<!--1 01288923139-01288988651- --> +<LI><A HREF="002921.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2921"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01288925112- --> +<LI><A HREF="002899.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A><A NAME="2899"> </A> +<I>Juan Luis Baptiste +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01288925112-01288935804- --> +<LI><A HREF="002903.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A><A NAME="2903"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01288925112-01288935804-01288969459- --> +<LI><A HREF="002912.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A><A NAME="2912"> </A> +<I>Juan Luis Baptiste +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01288925112-01288935804-01288969459-01288974276- --> +<LI><A HREF="002915.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A><A NAME="2915"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01288930531- --> +<LI><A HREF="002900.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2900"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--0 01288932823- --> +<LI><A HREF="002901.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2901"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--0 01288935494- --> +<LI><A HREF="002902.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2902"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--0 01288936555- --> +<LI><A HREF="002904.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2904"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01288936555-01288955105- --> +<LI><A HREF="002907.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2907"> </A> +<I>Olivier Thauvin +</I> + +<!--1 01288936555-01288965679- --> +<LI><A HREF="002911.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2911"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01288936555-01288965679-01288989306- --> +<LI><A HREF="002922.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2922"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01288948911- --> +<LI><A HREF="002906.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2906"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01288948911-01288972559- --> +<LI><A HREF="002914.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2914"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01288971824- --> +<LI><A HREF="002913.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A><A NAME="2913"> </A> +<I>MacXi +</I> + +<!--0 01288975348- --> +<LI><A HREF="002916.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2916"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01288975348-01288990394- --> +<LI><A HREF="002923.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2923"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01288975348-01288990394-01288995374- --> +<LI><A HREF="002924.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2924"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01288975942- --> +<LI><A HREF="002918.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing mageia-app-db +</A><A NAME="2918"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<!--0 01288985292- --> +<LI><A HREF="002920.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A><A NAME="2920"> </A> +<I>MacXi +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Fri Nov 5 23:16:14 CET 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri Nov 5 23:16:20 CET 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a 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