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Mageia is your future distribution even if you +</I>>><i> don't know it yet ! :) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> And that is a fallacy of thinking, we should not be competing against other +</I>><i> distros, we compete against MS +</I>><i> +</I>I agree to a degree - but there are 2 things we need to attract to +Mageia - ordinary users, who will not contribute more that bug reports +at best - and active contributors. +The former would hopefully come largely from the Ms (and why not Apple) +world, but the latter almost surely will be largely from the +Linux/Unix/BSD world. That doesn't necessarily mean that they will +cease contributing to their current distro, as many contributors +participate in more than one distro. But their support will be +essential if Mageia is to make big inroads. +>><i> Anyway, i don't think we can just transpose what's done for OOo to Mageia. +</I>>><i> OOo just compete to MS Office, Mageia compete to hundreds of Linux +</I>>><i> Distribution, and other OS, not quite the same scale. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> You are kidding of course, OOo competes in a very competitive environment. +</I>><i> KOffice, Gnome Office just in the Linux space, then on windows we're up +</I>><i> against Wordperfect, who have huge history in the space, Lotus Symphony, MS +</I>><i> Works etc. In the Linux space, Mageia competes with a whole pile small +</I>><i> players in a small market. Total is around 1.5% of the total OS market, then +</I>><i> there is 3.5 % for Mac and the rest MS. +</I>><i> +</I>KOffice - the reviews I've seen show that it lacks a lot compared with +OOo. As well, it requires installing most of the KDE desktop, which is +huge. And not nearly as widely used as Gnome. +Gnome Office is a dream. (Or nightmare, depending on your point of +view.) It barely works. A very basic word processor, and basic +spreadsheet. No presentation. No database. No drawing module. +In the Ms environment, Ms-office is very expensive, even the minimal +version. Wordperfect suite is less expensive, but still paid. Athough +very nice, it has retreated to a niche market, and is not widely used. +Ms-works is free but nowhere near as complete as OOo. +Lotus suite is also free, but had almost disappeared. +So essentially, OOo has no serious competition in the Linux world. +In the Ms environment, it is free vs paid, or more functional than its +competitors. + +Now lets consider operating systems. Since Ms comes preinstalled on +virtually all new computers, it is preceived as free by end-users. So +Linux being free is not perceived as advantageous. +Even though it takes longer to install Ms-windows than Mandriva, since +users would rarely install Ms-windows, the time it takes to install +Linux is seen as an impediment. As well, although the name Linux is +generally known, detailed information for supporting Linux is generally +unknown, even though (Mandriva) Linux has more or less equivalent +fonctionality. +><i> Now the following is my opinion only to be taken with grain of salt or +</I>><i> whatever condiment you prefer. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We are in the desktop computing market, the chunk we want a part of is at +</I>><i> present occupied by MS. +</I>Agreed. +><i> In this market the name we want to promote is Mageia, +</I>><i> we have no need to identify with Linux. +</I>Not agreed. Since the name Linux is often known, even though details +are generally unknown, associating Mageia with Linux lets more people +know what kind of animal (so to speak) Mageia is. +This has 2 advantages. The increased familiarity should lower any +resistance to trying Mageia, for those Ms users who are open to trying +something new. +And contributors to other Linux/Unix/BSD distros are more likely to +contribute to Mageia, even if they continue to actively support their +current distro. +If you are thinking of Ubuntu, don't forget that they started with paid +promotion à la Microsoft, so it hardly parallels Mageia's situation. +><i> I have no problem helping the others +</I>><i> into the market but we need to focus on MS users. If we happen to increase +</I>><i> the market for Linux then great but our focus should be on Mageia. Right now +</I>><i> there are too many distros, linux is confusing to the market, we have no need +</I>><i> to identify with it. +</I>><i> +</I>Most other distros target niche markets, and are oriented to hackers or +those fed up with Ms's agressive and anti-competitive marketing. There +are relatively few distros which have the strengths of Mandriva (which +Mageia will inherit) and the community orientation of Mageia. A major +weakness of Mandriva has been a lack of focus in its promotion, +particularly outside the Linux community, and of course the inherent +conflict between community and commercial focus. +So yes, a focus (among others) on attracting current Ms users (who +likely will dual-boot), but let's not forget the Linux community, which +is a large part of strengths of Mandriva (and now Mageia). +><i> Our goal should be be seen as the primary alternative to the encumbent leader +</I>><i> +</I>Or a major alternative. Ubuntu is not going to disappear. +><i> Focus on why we are better and tell the world. +</I>><i> +</I>But not with the blatent egosism of Ms. +><i> When the Steve gets people making videos like this +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://blogs.technet.com/b/whymicrosoft/archive/2010/10/05/15-customers-who-">http://blogs.technet.com/b/whymicrosoft/archive/2010/10/05/15-customers-who-</A> +</I>><i> switched-to-microsoft-office-after-evaluating-openoffice-org.aspx +</I>><i> +</I>><i> but focused on Mageia then we know we've made it +</I>><i> +</I>Like most Ms negative presentations, it is totally oriented to the +businesses, who are less concerned with the cost of acquisition than the +supposed cost of paid support. Pure FUD, with barely a pretence of +presentation of facts. As a community distro, our focus is not +businesses wanting paid support. +If we are openly associated with Linux in our approach to Ms users, Ms +will have a lot tougher target. Note that despite FUD against Linux, Ms +does, in various ways, offer limited support for Linux as well. They +realise that Linux is not going away any time soon, and it is in their +interests to cooperate to some degree. +>><i> Olivier +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Cheers +</I>><i> GL +</I>><i> +</I> +my 2 cents +- André (andre999) + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002438.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002440.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2439">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2439">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2439">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2439">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |