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It's a way to get rid of old, +</I>>><i> obsoleted and unused pkgs which are also removed from SVN (moved to +</I>>><i> /packages/obsolete/). +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> I wasn't aware we ever did this and I can't think of a good reason to do +</I>><i> so either so I would prefer this change was reverted (and any other old +</I>><i> libs in there similarly removed from obsoletion). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> There is a difference between no longer shipping something and no longer +</I>><i> supporting it being installed. If I've compiled my own software against +</I>><i> any given library I do not want something to remove it automatically and +</I>><i> break my build. That's the whole point in having library packaging the +</I>><i> way we do - to allow them to live on mostly forever on an installed +</I>><i> system. If we no longer support something being installed then using +</I>><i> task-obsoletes seems wise. +</I>><i> +</I>+1 +If there is no real conflict, why remove a package automatically ? +A good example of such a problem is OpenOffice being removed by Libreoffice. +There was no real conflict, as all files were installed in different +locations. As well, the 2 programs could even be run simultaneously. +Although mdv Openoffice was Go-ooo and Libreoffice contained much of the +same code, they didn't function identically. +So Libo removing Ooo automatically was abusive of a user's right to +choose what is installed in their system. +If it is advisable that such a package should be removed, the user +should be asked before removal. + +Another point : +If would be a good idea if only mga packages would be removed. +(For mga1, that would have been mdv.) +If the user chooses to install a package from another source, it +shouldn't be unistalled by a mga package. + +For version upgrades of the same package, or things like gcc, there +would be real conflicts, +so this wouldn't apply. +><i> Users are then responsible for removing old library packages they no +</I>><i> longer want from their system using either the urpme --auto-orphans or +</I>><i> urpmq --not-available. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Maybe I've misunderstood the intention here, and if so feel free to +</I>><i> correct me! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Col +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>My 2 cents :) + +-- +André + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="015938.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-1.mga3 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="015927.html">[Mageia-dev] submission error: false positive +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#15947">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#15947">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#15947">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#15947">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |