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Versioned require will fix urpmi-based upgrades. +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i>  2. Installer (fresh-install) will be fine because basesystem-minimal +</I>>>>>><i> will pull in rpm which will pull in rpm-helper.  WE can be confident +</I>>>>>><i> this will happen early. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> No you cannot on upgrade. +</I>>>>><i> Package ordering will depends on versioned requires. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I don't understand... This is a fresh install, where did upgrade come +</I>>>><i> into it? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Just to clarify, the *fresh install* case is fine, it's the *upgrade* +</I>>>><i> case (which I specifically outlined separately below to avoid confusion +</I>>>><i> - although that clearly failed) that has the problem. Correct? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i>  3. Installer (upgrade) will still be broken as it does not treat the +</I>>>>>><i> rpm package inside the chroot as any kind of priority update that is +</I>>>>>><i> installed early in the upgrade process. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> installer upgrade will be OK if systemd unit packages require a recent +</I>>>>><i> enough rpm-helper +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I wasn't really looking for solutions, just trying to understand the +</I>>>><i> problem clearly. Proposed solutions often cloud the thinking about the +</I>>>><i> problem itself. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> So putting "Requires(pre): systemd-units" in all packages providing a +</I>>>><i> systemd unit seems wrong (it doesn't require systemd-units at all, so +</I>>>><i> this is a fake requires). +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Putting "Requires(pre): rpm-helper >= $ver" also seems somewhat overkill +</I>>>><i> and hard to maintain (e.g. what if some other new thing goes into +</I>>>><i> rpm-helper? We have to rebuild all packages that use any of the macros +</I>>>><i> inside it to get the appropriate versioned require which seems awkward +</I>>>><i> and hard to maintain[1]). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> If a package requires a new script, it means there is a call to this +</I>>><i> script, so I would expect that it was built after this new script was +</I>>><i> added. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> OK, but at present most of the packages that make use of %_post_service +</I>><i> and friends do not actually require rpm-helper at all. They simply rely +</I>><i> on it being there from basesystem-minimal. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So I guess doing autorequires would work in most cases - this case i +</I>><i> somewhat special as we're retro fitting the requirement, and thus need a +</I>><i> mass-rebuild. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I guess I can live with this if someone can do the necessary foo to add +</I>><i> the appropriate requires automatically. +</I> +I don't think this is possible without patching rpm :( +The scripts adding dependencies are working on the list of files in the package. +The dependencies for scriptlets are added by rpm-build itself (and +only for the interpreter). + +><i> I can't help but feel this would still be more appropriately dealt with +</I>><i> in the installer by making it honour priority updates, even on a +</I>><i> not-currently-running machine. +</I> +Well this does not guarantee anything, the packages may become part of +the priority upgrade (like any depending on perl) and be installed +before the new rpm-helper +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="014346.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Add versioned require in rpm on rpm-helper +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="014351.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Add versioned require in rpm on rpm-helper +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#14348">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#14348">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#14348">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#14348">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |