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It is +</I>>><i> not "the purists" vs. "the realists", or some other caricatural +</I>>><i> reduction of reality. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The labeling was for typographical convenience, simply a way to +</I>><i> differentiate one camp in this discussion from the other, and was pretty +</I>><i> obviously not a part of the intrinsic arguments. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm on neither side in this; my interest is in having the install +</I>><i> support wireless networking, which has nothing to do with whether there +</I>><i> is one ISO or two. All the necessary files are already in the distro, I +</I>><i> just want the install to use them if they're available. That is not a +</I>><i> FLOSS/non-FLOSS/sorta-FLOSS issue. I install cooker/cauldron only, and I +</I>><i> haven't installed from an ISO since I got involved with cooker except as +</I>><i> an occasional test. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't care how many ISOs there are, or whether the installer gets +</I>><i> these files from the moon. I just figure I have a better chance of +</I>><i> seeing this implemented if I point out that two ISOs steps on as few +</I>><i> toes as possible, given the current contents of the DVDs. If you want to +</I>><i> take up cudgels about merging them for an additional 1% or so of user +</I>><i> experience, be my guest. +</I> + From what you say, there are not a lot of points of disagreement +between us, on this issue. +We both have contributed to open source for a long time, you apparently +mostly on developement/packaging, myself mostly translating/ aide in +forums, with some contributions to development. (Currently an +apprentice packager.) + +You find 2 isos a minor inconvenience, but in practice normally install +online, from cooker/cauldron. + +Myself, I find a single DVD that contains everything I need to get a +fully working system (in terms of hardware/drivers) a major convenience, +and do not have the luxury of the bandwidth necessary to install from +the internet. +I don't know if you have ever installed from Mandriva's 3-cd set, but +juggling 3 cds on installing a package is a hassle that I very much +prefer to avoid. One iso is great. + +As well, I appreciate very much the ability to do a complete, fully +working reinstall without internet access. +(To facilitate this, I keep packages installed from sources other than +the DVD in a separate partition.) + +The single DVD is not only useful for myself. It is handy to promote +Linux as well. Unfortunately, with missing firmware and drivers, the +DVD will not fully work on many systems. And new users prefer a +_single_ iso that just works. Having to juggle isos is a deterant. + +On the question of space on the DVD, you must admit that all the +(non-free) firmware and drivers (not already included) would not take an +enormous amount of space. +Note that on the Mandriva 2010.2 DVD, for example, the 2 biggest games +take about 100 M and 40 M repectively. +It is simply a matter of priorities. + +In sum, it is easy to understand your point of view, as you don't +(normally) use isos. +Please understand the point of view of those who do, particularly those +who have serious bandwidth restrictions. + +<aside> +There are others who militate for a "free-only" DVD, but seem to be +unaware that no distro contains only "free" software, not even Fedora. +Just as no distro runs on "free/non-proprietary" hardware. +</aside> + +-- +André +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003728.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003723.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3721">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3721">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3721">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3721">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |