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+ <B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+for the purpose of testing package building locally;
+ - you're a careful packager and test out everything locally before submitting
+ - you're a novice packager and want to practise
+
+i would like to make a VM that acts like a buildnode, with the following
+requirements:
+ - mageia system (not mandriva)
+ - preferably headless
+ - ssh on by default
+ - building 32bit AND 64bit packages
+ - using chroots to build and preferably having basesystem chroots on it. also
+cleans up so buildrequires are properly tested, and lint checking and what
+else a buildnode normally does.
+ - no signing step
+ - still as small as possible so it can be put somewhere for downloading.
+ - nice to have is possibly a sort of local submission tree so submitting
+could also be practised.
+
+Since i don't know much about the buildsystem, i would like someone to help
+out with these parts; possibly explaining a few things, possibly having some
+usefull scripts to do this.
+
+if someone has added requirements, suggestions, or some info to help me, or
+just interested in helping out with this, by all means.
+
+Regards,
+
+Maarten (aka AL13N)
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+<PRE>On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> for the purpose of testing package building locally;
+</I>&gt;<i> - you're a careful packager and test out everything locally before submitting
+</I>&gt;<i> - you're a novice packager and want to practise
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i would like to make a VM that acts like a buildnode, with the following
+</I>&gt;<i> requirements:
+</I>&gt;<i> - mageia system (not mandriva)
+</I>&gt;<i> - preferably headless
+</I>&gt;<i> - ssh on by default
+</I>&gt;<i> - building 32bit AND 64bit packages
+</I>&gt;<i> - using chroots to build and preferably having basesystem chroots on it. also
+</I>&gt;<i> cleans up so buildrequires are properly tested, and lint checking and what
+</I>&gt;<i> else a buildnode normally does.
+</I>
+This can be done using iurt.
+
+&gt;<i> - no signing step
+</I>&gt;<i> - still as small as possible so it can be put somewhere for downloading.
+</I>&gt;<i> - nice to have is possibly a sort of local submission tree so submitting
+</I>&gt;<i> could also be practised.
+</I>
+You mean installing a full build system in a VM ?
+
+You can try to do it using puppet, and the puppet modules on svn :
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/</A>
+
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+ <B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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+<PRE>Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 00:22:36 schreef nicolas vigier:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for the purpose of testing package building locally;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - you're a careful packager and test out everything locally before
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; submitting - you're a novice packager and want to practise
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i would like to make a VM that acts like a buildnode, with the following
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; requirements:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - mageia system (not mandriva)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - preferably headless
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - ssh on by default
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - building 32bit AND 64bit packages
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - using chroots to build and preferably having basesystem chroots on it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; also
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; cleans up so buildrequires are properly tested, and lint checking and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; what else a buildnode normally does.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This can be done using iurt.
+</I>
+so, how exactly does this work? iurt automagically build basesystem chroots
+and chrootbuilds stuff? is there any task that is needed for this kind of
+thing?
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; - no signing step
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - still as small as possible so it can be put somewhere for downloading.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - nice to have is possibly a sort of local submission tree so submitting
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; could also be practised.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You mean installing a full build system in a VM ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can try to do it using puppet, and the puppet modules on svn :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/</A>
+</I>
+well, i donno, i don't know puppet and this is not meant to be used in a
+controlled environment, but just built like this and people use it locally.
+there is not really any need to remote control this machine. just a one time
+setup.
+
+the local submission tree to test submission on, is a nice to have, but not
+really needed as such.
+
+i was thinking on using the urpmi-proxy i made, to use the submissions AND a
+local mirror (built gradually) to use for chrooted insides. so that would mean
+the initial package would be very small, and tests with multiple local
+packages would still work. well.
+
+but it's a nice to have...
+
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+ <B>Oliver Burger</B>
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+<PRE>There was already a discussion about that in the alpha2 iso thread but I think
+it's better to discuss this in a thread of its own.
+
+Most people &quot;voted&quot; for smplayer in the other thread, which would be fine with
+me. It's qt based (nothing against gtk, but using a gtk based application as
+default in kde is just weird. try to do it the other way arround and you'll be
+lynched by gnome fans), its backend mplayer is a powerfull player.
+But: I'm having a strange thing about it on my Mageia box: I start it, I open
+an ogg file, I play it. I close smplayer, start it again and it won't play the
+same ogg file anymore. I close smplayer again rm ~/.config/smplayer start it
+again, it plays my file and so on. Anybody else having the same thing? Is it a
+bug or just pebcak?
+
+Others preffered dragon player, which is KDE's default. We could but I don't
+really like it, since it's a bit too simplistic in my eyes.
+
+I personally prefer kaffeine. It's working just fine for me, has many more
+options then dragon player. But some of you told it's not stable enough (in
+what way?) and some don't like it because it's not using phonon but libxine
+directly.
+
+The next option would be totem which I hate (just a personal thing). And it's
+a gtk application which I consider weird as default in KDE.
+
+Then there is kmplayer, I haven't really used it till now, but it's working
+and it's offering you playback of local files, optical media and tv (which I
+couldn't test due to not existing hardware.
+
+Next option would be xine-ui which definitely is looking a bit old fashioned.
+
+Did I forget anything? And what do you think?
+
+Oliver
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+ <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B>
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+
+&gt;<i> There was already a discussion about that in the alpha2 iso thread but I
+</I>&gt;<i> think
+</I>&gt;<i> it's better to discuss this in a thread of its own.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Most people &quot;voted&quot; for smplayer in the other thread, which would be fine
+</I>&gt;<i> with
+</I>&gt;<i> me. It's qt based (nothing against gtk, but using a gtk based application
+</I>&gt;<i> as
+</I>&gt;<i> default in kde is just weird. try to do it the other way arround and you'll
+</I>&gt;<i> be
+</I>&gt;<i> lynched by gnome fans), its backend mplayer is a powerfull player.
+</I>&gt;<i> But: I'm having a strange thing about it on my Mageia box: I start it, I
+</I>&gt;<i> open
+</I>&gt;<i> an ogg file, I play it. I close smplayer, start it again and it won't play
+</I>&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;<i> same ogg file anymore. I close smplayer again rm ~/.config/smplayer start
+</I>&gt;<i> it
+</I>&gt;<i> again, it plays my file and so on. Anybody else having the same thing? Is
+</I>&gt;<i> it a
+</I>&gt;<i> bug or just pebcak?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Others preffered dragon player, which is KDE's default. We could but I
+</I>&gt;<i> don't
+</I>&gt;<i> really like it, since it's a bit too simplistic in my eyes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I personally prefer kaffeine. It's working just fine for me, has many more
+</I>&gt;<i> options then dragon player. But some of you told it's not stable enough (in
+</I>&gt;<i> what way?) and some don't like it because it's not using phonon but libxine
+</I>&gt;<i> directly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The next option would be totem which I hate (just a personal thing). And
+</I>&gt;<i> it's
+</I>&gt;<i> a gtk application which I consider weird as default in KDE.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then there is kmplayer, I haven't really used it till now, but it's working
+</I>&gt;<i> and it's offering you playback of local files, optical media and tv (which
+</I>&gt;<i> I
+</I>&gt;<i> couldn't test due to not existing hardware.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Next option would be xine-ui which definitely is looking a bit old
+</I>&gt;<i> fashioned.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Did I forget anything? And what do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+VLC would be a nice solution if it had an oxygen theme
+
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 10 mars 2011 &#224; 08:55 +0100, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> There was already a discussion about that in the alpha2 iso thread but I think
+</I>&gt;<i> it's better to discuss this in a thread of its own.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Most people &quot;voted&quot; for smplayer in the other thread, which would be fine with
+</I>&gt;<i> me. It's qt based (nothing against gtk, but using a gtk based application as
+</I>&gt;<i> default in kde is just weird. try to do it the other way arround and you'll be
+</I>&gt;<i> lynched by gnome fans), its backend mplayer is a powerfull player.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But: I'm having a strange thing about it on my Mageia box: I start it, I open
+</I>&gt;<i> an ogg file, I play it. I close smplayer, start it again and it won't play the
+</I>&gt;<i> same ogg file anymore. I close smplayer again rm ~/.config/smplayer start it
+</I>&gt;<i> again, it plays my file and so on. Anybody else having the same thing? Is it a
+</I>&gt;<i> bug or just pebcak?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Others preffered dragon player, which is KDE's default. We could but I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> really like it, since it's a bit too simplistic in my eyes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I personally prefer kaffeine. It's working just fine for me, has many more
+</I>&gt;<i> options then dragon player. But some of you told it's not stable enough (in
+</I>&gt;<i> what way?) and some don't like it because it's not using phonon but libxine
+</I>&gt;<i> directly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The next option would be totem which I hate (just a personal thing). And it's
+</I>&gt;<i> a gtk application which I consider weird as default in KDE.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then there is kmplayer, I haven't really used it till now, but it's working
+</I>&gt;<i> and it's offering you playback of local files, optical media and tv (which I
+</I>&gt;<i> couldn't test due to not existing hardware.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Next option would be xine-ui which definitely is looking a bit old fashioned.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Did I forget anything? And what do you think?
+</I>
+I do think that no one mentioned 2 others importants factors :
+- maintainability ( ie, something with a sane way of doing thing, that
+exclude stuff based on libffmpeg ), that also mean a sane packaging
+( ie, being able to separate plugins is IMHO better , especially for a
+patent minefield ).
+
+- security, again, no one took that in account ( given
+<A HREF="http://caca.zoy.org/wiki/zzuf/bugs">http://caca.zoy.org/wiki/zzuf/bugs</A> , I am again not very keen on relying
+on xine or mplayer personally )
+
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+<PRE>On 04/03/11 13:21, Anne nicolas wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm working on next isos for alpha2. Here is content I have for now:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pastebin.com/ekj2HVLq">http://pastebin.com/ekj2HVLq</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please have a look an check what could be missing as important
+</I>&gt;<i> packages and we will see how we can deal with it
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hi
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+If its not too late could I request that &quot;mail-notification&quot; be included.
+
+I have used it for years in conjunction with Thunderbird and previously
+Evolution so it has become a must have accessory for me.
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+ <B>Michael Scherer</B>
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 09 mars 2011 &#224; 17:03 +0100, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It will happen as usual on #mageia-dev at 20h UTC
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Tonight's topics:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - GNOME 3 status: shall we have it for first release of Mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i> - Deal with missing packages and dependancies import
+</I>&gt;<i> - Think about basic rules for packages updates during development release
+</I>&gt;<i> - Review on mentoring sessions
+</I>&gt;<i> - Upgrade tests for coming release
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The minutes can be found on :
+<A HREF="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-03-09-20.03.html">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-03-09-20.03.html</A>
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+ <B>Anne nicolas</B>
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+I've tried to formalize a list of missing packages:
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=missing_packages">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=missing_packages</A>
+
+These are packages included in rpmsrate file but not available in
+Mageia. So basically they should be included in isos depending on
+weight. Please follow pattern if you want to contribute it will help
+also to clean rpmsrate.
+
+These packages are not mandatory but please do not forget to add
+reason if there are not to be imported.
+
+Cheers
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+First, I want to ask you to keep my account for two weeks. I'm sure the
+fact of not having enough time for maintening two distributions, but I'm
+not sure which distro of choice that I made.
+
+In second, about the accounts &quot;leaving&quot;, I think we should allow people
+time to change their opinions, and so do not close their accounts directly.
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+What do you think?
+--
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+artwork team is getting its hands on the bootstrap and installer
+processes; backgrounds/screensavers are incoming too; and it will need
+to do so on the graphic theme (ia ora so far).
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+For now, the team needs assistance from packagers/developers on these modules:
+ - drakx (installer - perl/gtk skills/interest needed)
+ - theme (bootstrap, hibernate, shutdown, backgrounds, screensavers -
+plymouth skills/interest needed)
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+to help to:
+ - better understand how graphics/animations are and can be used (and
+maybe, later, build quick mockup tools);
+ - replace them;
+ - cleanup (remove obsolete stuff, maybe break these modules into
+smaller, more to-the-point ones);
+ - document (help future artwork and dev people to get a better grasp
+on these modules).
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+This is not for alpha2 (although a quick overview would be welcome)
+but for beta1 (and later of course); work would start at once anyway.
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+Volunteers? if you are, please join mageia-artwork@ and/or #mageia-artwork.
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+&gt;<i> Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 00:22:36 schreef nicolas vigier:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; for the purpose of testing package building locally;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - you're a careful packager and test out everything locally before
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; submitting - you're a novice packager and want to practise
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; i would like to make a VM that acts like a buildnode, with the following
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; requirements:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - mageia system (not mandriva)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - preferably headless
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - ssh on by default
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - building 32bit AND 64bit packages
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - using chroots to build and preferably having basesystem chroots on it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; also
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; cleans up so buildrequires are properly tested, and lint checking and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; what else a buildnode normally does.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This can be done using iurt.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so, how exactly does this work? iurt automagically build basesystem chroots
+</I>&gt;<i> and chrootbuilds stuff? is there any task that is needed for this kind of
+</I>&gt;<i> thing?
+</I>
+Yes. See iurt package. And iurt config file used on the cluster :
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/puppet/modules/buildsystem/templates/iurt.cauldron.conf?revision=734&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/puppet/modules/buildsystem/templates/iurt.cauldron.conf?revision=734&amp;view=markup</A>
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - no signing step
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - still as small as possible so it can be put somewhere for downloading.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - nice to have is possibly a sort of local submission tree so submitting
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; could also be practised.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You mean installing a full build system in a VM ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You can try to do it using puppet, and the puppet modules on svn :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> well, i donno, i don't know puppet and this is not meant to be used in a
+</I>&gt;<i> controlled environment, but just built like this and people use it locally.
+</I>&gt;<i> there is not really any need to remote control this machine. just a one time
+</I>&gt;<i> setup.
+</I>
+The easiest way to setup a buildsystem is using puppet. Otherwise it
+will be more difficult.
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+<PRE>On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Cazzaniga Sandro wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In second, about the accounts &quot;leaving&quot;, I think we should allow people
+</I>&gt;<i> time to change their opinions, and so do not close their accounts directly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think?
+</I>
+I think people should not send an email saying &quot;I'm leaving&quot; if they are
+not sure what they want to do. And if they want to keep their account
+because they think they could use it they should mention it.
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+<PRE>Le 10/03/2011 12:32, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I think people should not send an email saying &quot;I'm leaving&quot; if they are
+</I>&gt;<i> not sure what they want to do.
+</I>
+They can also be certain when they write the email, then have a doubt after.
+I think it is too steep to close an account directly after the holder's
+request.
+
+&gt;<i> And if they want to keep their account
+</I>&gt;<i> because they think they could use it they should mention it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+--
+Sandro Cazzaniga
+IRC: Kharec (irc.freenode.net)
+Software/Hardware geek
+Perl dev
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Cazzaniga Sandro at 10/03/11 11:35 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 10/03/2011 12:32, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think people should not send an email saying &quot;I'm leaving&quot; if they are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not sure what they want to do.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> They can also be certain when they write the email, then have a doubt after.
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it is too steep to close an account directly after the holder's
+</I>&gt;<i> request.
+</I>
+Yeah perhaps. Tho' it's fairly easy to argue to opposite (e.g. someone
+irately saying &quot;why have you not closed my account after I asked you?&quot;...)
+
+That said, previous discussions were all about keeping the account
+generally (for the sake of previous forum posts, bugzilla entries etc.)
+so restoring a &quot;deactivated&quot; account shouldn't be that hard anyway...
+provided you bribe the admins with cookies :D
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+Col
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+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+ Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>]
+Open Source:
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+I noticed the gstreamer codecs included in Mageia so far are lacking all
+the codecs that in Mandriva are in plf, such as h.264, aac, etc.
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+I'm aware that even in Mageia we still keep these separate in 'tainted',
+but I would have thought that the 'tainted' packages would be built at the
+same time from the same source RPMS as the 'core' ones (since the imported
+Mandriva SRPMs contain '%if %build_plf' for that purpose).
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+I assume it would make most sense if the current maintainer of the
+gstreamer packages also submits the 'tainted' builds, or not?
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+I'm asking this since I need the gstreamer plf/'tainted' codecs as
+dependencies for some other 'tainted' packages.
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 10 mars 2011 &#224; 11:00 +0100, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've tried to formalize a list of missing packages:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=missing_packages">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=missing_packages</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> These are packages included in rpmsrate file but not available in
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia. So basically they should be included in isos depending on
+</I>&gt;<i> weight. Please follow pattern if you want to contribute it will help
+</I>&gt;<i> also to clean rpmsrate.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> These packages are not mandatory but please do not forget to add
+</I>&gt;<i> reason if there are not to be imported.
+</I>
+I think we should do some cleaning.
+- zcip is dead upstream ( but I imported before seeing this )
+- rpm-rebuilder is IMHO not used much
+- zaptel-* are deprecated, that's now called dadhi
+- rio500, does people still have this hardware ?
+- sndconfig, same question ( afaik, it serve to configure isa sound
+cards )
+
+There is also a lot of hardware related software, can people check if
+this is still used ?
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+The same question also applies to mplayer, which I just noticed also
+doesn't include codecs like h.264 and aac.
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+&gt;<i> I think we should do some cleaning.
+</I>&gt;<i> - zcip is dead upstream ( but I imported before seeing this )
+</I>&gt;<i> - rpm-rebuilder is IMHO not used much
+</I>
+and is somewhat obsoleted by modern BS even if user case is somewhat different
+
+&gt;<i> - zaptel-* are deprecated, that's now called dadhi
+</I>&gt;<i> - rio500, does people still have this hardware ?
+</I>&gt;<i> - sndconfig, same question ( afaik, it serve to configure isa sound
+</I>&gt;<i> cards )
+</I>
+was usefull since we cannot automatically support ISA cards
+(no easy way to detect, detection could deadlock machines, ...)
+(at least pnp* isn't needed since kernel-2.6.x?)
+But ISApnp cards cannot be inserted in modern machines for ~8 years.
+Dunno until what years ISA sound chips got still implemented on motherboards.
+At least, I haven't seen any request for ISA support for 4-5 years.
+
+&gt;<i> There is also a lot of hardware related software, can people check if
+</I>&gt;<i> this is still used ?
+</I>
+we mainly miss binary dkms packages IMHO
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+Quote: Thierry Vignaud wrote on Thu, 10 March 2011 16:21
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+&gt;<i> But ISApnp cards cannot be inserted in modern machines for ~8 years.
+</I>&gt;<i> Dunno until what years ISA sound chips got still implemented on
+</I>&gt;<i> motherboards.
+</I>&gt;<i> At least, I haven't seen any request for ISA support for 4-5 years.
+</I>
+I still have an old PC with an ISA Sound Blaster AWE 64 sound card (with
+12MB sample RAM expansion board) and an ISA Gravis Ultrasound PnP card
+(with 8MB sample RAM), currently mdv 2008.1 is installed on it and I still
+use it occasionally for specific purposes.
+
+I would assume that in 'poorer' countries this hardware is still common
+enough that we should include those packages. As long as it builds, why
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 10 mars 2011 12:17:11, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 00:22:36 schreef nicolas vigier:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; for the purpose of testing package building locally;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; - you're a careful packager and test out everything locally before
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; submitting - you're a novice packager and want to practise
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; i would like to make a VM that acts like a buildnode, with the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; following
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; requirements:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; - mageia system (not mandriva)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; - preferably headless
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; - ssh on by default
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; - building 32bit AND 64bit packages
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; - using chroots to build and preferably having basesystem chroots on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; it. also
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; cleans up so buildrequires are properly tested, and lint checking and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; what else a buildnode normally does.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; This can be done using iurt.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; so, how exactly does this work? iurt automagically build basesystem
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; chroots and chrootbuilds stuff? is there any task that is needed for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this kind of thing?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes. See iurt package. And iurt config file used on the cluster :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/puppet/modules/buildsystem/templates/iurt.caul">http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/puppet/modules/buildsystem/templates/iurt.caul</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> dron.conf?revision=734&amp;view=markup
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; - no signing step
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; - still as small as possible so it can be put somewhere for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; downloading. - nice to have is possibly a sort of local submission
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; tree so submitting
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; could also be practised.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; You mean installing a full build system in a VM ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; You can try to do it using puppet, and the puppet modules on svn :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; well, i donno, i don't know puppet and this is not meant to be used in a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; controlled environment, but just built like this and people use it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; locally. there is not really any need to remote control this machine.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; just a one time setup.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The easiest way to setup a buildsystem is using puppet. Otherwise it
+</I>&gt;<i> will be more difficult.
+</I>
+Could someone from the sysadmins write (if it has not been done already) a
+quick guide for puppet use, for example &quot;how to deploy a buildnode using
+puppet&quot; ? I guess that would help Maarteen a lot :)
+
+Samuel
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+&gt;&gt;<i> But ISApnp cards cannot be inserted in modern machines for ~8 years.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dunno until what years ISA sound chips got still implemented on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> motherboards.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> At least, I haven't seen any request for ISA support for 4-5 years.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I still have an old PC with an ISA Sound Blaster AWE 64 sound card (with
+</I>&gt;<i> 12MB sample RAM expansion board) and an ISA Gravis Ultrasound PnP card
+</I>&gt;<i> (with 8MB sample RAM), currently mdv 2008.1 is installed on it and I still
+</I>&gt;<i> use it occasionally for specific purposes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would assume that in 'poorer' countries this hardware is still common
+</I>&gt;<i> enough that we should include those packages. As long as it builds, why
+</I>&gt;<i> not?
+</I>
+Indeed but that shouldn't block alpha2
+And &quot;old&quot; Gravis is supposed to have better quality that quite a lot sound cards
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+ <B>philippe makowski</B>
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+<PRE>2011/3/10 Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've tried to formalize a list of missing packages:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=missing_packages">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=missing_packages</A>
+</I>pysol is dead upstream , the new one is pysolFC
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+if need I can take care of it
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+and for postgresql8.4 is it really need since we have 9.0 ?
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+Quote: Thierry Vignaud wrote on Thu, 10 March 2011 16:38
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+&gt;<i> Indeed but that shouldn't block alpha2
+</I>
+Agreed
+
+&gt;<i> And &quot;old&quot; Gravis is supposed to have better quality that quite a lot
+</I>&gt;<i> sound cards
+</I>
+Very true, that why I'm still keeping it (it's a shame I can't use it in
+modern PCs anymore :( ).
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+ <B>Oliver Burger</B>
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+</I>I would really prefer not to go the SuSE way and only provide one version of
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+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 10 mars 2011 &#224; 11:00 +0100, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've tried to formalize a list of missing packages:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=missing_packages">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=missing_packages</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> These are packages included in rpmsrate file but not available in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia. So basically they should be included in isos depending on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> weight. Please follow pattern if you want to contribute it will help
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> also to clean rpmsrate.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> These packages are not mandatory but please do not forget to add
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reason if there are not to be imported.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think we should do some cleaning.
+</I>&gt;<i> - zcip is dead upstream ( but I imported before seeing this )
+</I>&gt;<i> - rpm-rebuilder is IMHO not used much
+</I>&gt;<i> - zaptel-* are deprecated, that's now called dadhi
+</I>&gt;<i> - rio500, does people still have this hardware ?
+</I>&gt;<i> - sndconfig, same question ( afaik, it serve to configure isa sound
+</I>&gt;<i> cards )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is also a lot of hardware related software, can people check if
+</I>&gt;<i> this is still used ?
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+Sorry to disturb your discussion. Just a few word about me : I am
+following this list since the beginning and I am a &quot;from the outset&quot;
+mandrake / mandriva user.
+
+The reason for my e-mail: I am still using sndconfig on PIII machines in
+ordre to configure the sound, so please don't remove it.
+
+The more global goal of my messages is : please don't remove packages
+that you think &quot;useless&quot; too fast. The availability of these &quot;small
+details&quot; (as sndconfig) are the thinks that makes me feeling happy or
+angry about a distribution ;-)
+
+Thanks for having read me and please don't drop all these uncommon
+packages! (I have also seen xine-ui in the list).
+
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 10 mars 2011 &#224; 16:44 +0100, xi a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le jeudi 10 mars 2011 &#224; 11:00 +0100, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I've tried to formalize a list of missing packages:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=missing_packages">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=missing_packages</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; These are packages included in rpmsrate file but not available in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mageia. So basically they should be included in isos depending on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; weight. Please follow pattern if you want to contribute it will help
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; also to clean rpmsrate.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; These packages are not mandatory but please do not forget to add
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; reason if there are not to be imported.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think we should do some cleaning.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - zcip is dead upstream ( but I imported before seeing this )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - rpm-rebuilder is IMHO not used much
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - zaptel-* are deprecated, that's now called dadhi
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - rio500, does people still have this hardware ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - sndconfig, same question ( afaik, it serve to configure isa sound
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; cards )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; There is also a lot of hardware related software, can people check if
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this is still used ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry to disturb your discussion. Just a few word about me : I am
+</I>&gt;<i> following this list since the beginning and I am a &quot;from the outset&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> mandrake / mandriva user.
+</I>
+You don't disturb, no problem.
+
+&gt;<i> The reason for my e-mail: I am still using sndconfig on PIII machines in
+</I>&gt;<i> ordre to configure the sound, so please don't remove it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The more global goal of my messages is : please don't remove packages
+</I>&gt;<i> that you think &quot;useless&quot; too fast. The availability of these &quot;small
+</I>&gt;<i> details&quot; (as sndconfig) are the thinks that makes me feeling happy or
+</I>&gt;<i> angry about a distribution ;-)
+</I>
+So I assume that you ( or tux99 ) are ready to test it, or better to
+maintain it ?
+
+Because I do not have the hardware to test, do not plan to try to find
+it, and my time is quite limited. So I will not work on it if I cannot
+check that it work, and if no one does the job, it doesn't happen by
+itself.
+
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+&gt;<i> The same question also applies to mplayer, which I just noticed also
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't include codecs like h.264 and aac.
+</I>For the moment there's a work in progress regarding the BS so the package can
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+<PRE>Michael Scherer wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 10 mars 2011 &#224; 16:44 +0100, xi a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le jeudi 10 mars 2011 &#224; 11:00 +0100, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I've tried to formalize a list of missing packages:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=missing_packages">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=missing_packages</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> These are packages included in rpmsrate file but not available in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia. So basically they should be included in isos depending on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> weight. Please follow pattern if you want to contribute it will help
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> also to clean rpmsrate.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> These packages are not mandatory but please do not forget to add
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> reason if there are not to be imported.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think we should do some cleaning.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - zcip is dead upstream ( but I imported before seeing this )
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - rpm-rebuilder is IMHO not used much
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - zaptel-* are deprecated, that's now called dadhi
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - rio500, does people still have this hardware ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - sndconfig, same question ( afaik, it serve to configure isa sound
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> cards )
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There is also a lot of hardware related software, can people check if
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this is still used ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry to disturb your discussion. Just a few word about me : I am
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> following this list since the beginning and I am a &quot;from the outset&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mandrake / mandriva user.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You don't disturb, no problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The reason for my e-mail: I am still using sndconfig on PIII machines in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ordre to configure the sound, so please don't remove it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The more global goal of my messages is : please don't remove packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that you think &quot;useless&quot; too fast. The availability of these &quot;small
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> details&quot; (as sndconfig) are the thinks that makes me feeling happy or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> angry about a distribution ;-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I assume that you ( or tux99 ) are ready to test it, or better to
+</I>&gt;<i> maintain it ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Because I do not have the hardware to test, do not plan to try to find
+</I>&gt;<i> it, and my time is quite limited. So I will not work on it if I cannot
+</I>&gt;<i> check that it work, and if no one does the job, it doesn't happen by
+</I>&gt;<i> itself.
+</I>
+Same as Tux99 here: I have two old PIII PC with ISA sound cards, both
+running a mandriva 2008 for multimedia purposes.
+
+Ok to test, but I can't promise I will do that as fast as you would need...
+Basically, I will test alpha2 ISO and report whether this package works
+or not. Is it ok for the Mageia &quot;schedule&quot;?
+
+Xavier
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+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 10 mars 2011 &#224; 08:55 +0100, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There was already a discussion about that in the alpha2 iso thread but I think
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it's better to discuss this in a thread of its own.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Most people &quot;voted&quot; for smplayer in the other thread, which would be fine with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> me. It's qt based (nothing against gtk, but using a gtk based application as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> default in kde is just weird. try to do it the other way arround and you'll be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lynched by gnome fans), its backend mplayer is a powerfull player.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But: I'm having a strange thing about it on my Mageia box: I start it, I open
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> an ogg file, I play it. I close smplayer, start it again and it won't play the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> same ogg file anymore. I close smplayer again rm ~/.config/smplayer start it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> again, it plays my file and so on. Anybody else having the same thing? Is it a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bug or just pebcak?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Others preffered dragon player, which is KDE's default. We could but I don't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> really like it, since it's a bit too simplistic in my eyes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I personally prefer kaffeine. It's working just fine for me, has many more
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> options then dragon player. But some of you told it's not stable enough (in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what way?) and some don't like it because it's not using phonon but libxine
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> directly.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The next option would be totem which I hate (just a personal thing). And it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a gtk application which I consider weird as default in KDE.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then there is kmplayer, I haven't really used it till now, but it's working
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and it's offering you playback of local files, optical media and tv (which I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> couldn't test due to not existing hardware.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Next option would be xine-ui which definitely is looking a bit old fashioned.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Did I forget anything? And what do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I do think that no one mentioned 2 others importants factors :
+</I>&gt;<i> - maintainability ( ie, something with a sane way of doing thing, that
+</I>&gt;<i> exclude stuff based on libffmpeg ), that also mean a sane packaging
+</I>&gt;<i> ( ie, being able to separate plugins is IMHO better , especially for a
+</I>&gt;<i> patent minefield ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - security, again, no one took that in account ( given
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://caca.zoy.org/wiki/zzuf/bugs">http://caca.zoy.org/wiki/zzuf/bugs</A> , I am again not very keen on relying
+</I>&gt;<i> on xine or mplayer personally )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I would vote for VLC, firstly because it plays pretty much everything,
+its qt based, and finally becuase it is platform independant, every OS
+seems to have VLC.
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 10 mars 2011 &#224; 16:19 +0100, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The same question also applies to mplayer, which I just noticed also
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't include codecs like h.264 and aac.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+And VLC who doesn't work with some WebTV.
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+<PRE>On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 09:17:28AM +0100, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2011/3/10 Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; There was already a discussion about that in the alpha2 iso thread but I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; think
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it's better to discuss this in a thread of its own.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Most people &quot;voted&quot; for smplayer in the other thread, which would be fine
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; me. It's qt based (nothing against gtk, but using a gtk based application
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; default in kde is just weird. try to do it the other way arround and you'll
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; lynched by gnome fans), its backend mplayer is a powerfull player.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But: I'm having a strange thing about it on my Mageia box: I start it, I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; open
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; an ogg file, I play it. I close smplayer, start it again and it won't play
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; same ogg file anymore. I close smplayer again rm ~/.config/smplayer start
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; again, it plays my file and so on. Anybody else having the same thing? Is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; bug or just pebcak?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Others preffered dragon player, which is KDE's default. We could but I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; don't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; really like it, since it's a bit too simplistic in my eyes.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I personally prefer kaffeine. It's working just fine for me, has many more
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; options then dragon player. But some of you told it's not stable enough (in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; what way?) and some don't like it because it's not using phonon but libxine
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; directly.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The next option would be totem which I hate (just a personal thing). And
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; a gtk application which I consider weird as default in KDE.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Then there is kmplayer, I haven't really used it till now, but it's working
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and it's offering you playback of local files, optical media and tv (which
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; couldn't test due to not existing hardware.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Next option would be xine-ui which definitely is looking a bit old
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fashioned.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Did I forget anything? And what do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> VLC would be a nice solution if it had an oxygen theme
+</I>I would prefer vlc too, since it has been rewritten in Qt (was
+wxWidgets).
+
+I don&#8217;t know if that counts, but it&#8217;s also one of the most popular open
+source application in the windows world like firefox and openoffice, so
+newcomers would not be lost.
+
+The issue I have with vlc is its playlist handling which I don&#8217;t like,
+but that might just be an option to activate.
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+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 10 mars 2011 12:17:11, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 00:22:36 schreef nicolas vigier:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; for the purpose of testing package building locally;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; - you're a careful packager and test out everything locally before
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; submitting - you're a novice packager and want to practise
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; i would like to make a VM that acts like a buildnode, with the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; following
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; requirements:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; - mageia system (not mandriva)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; - preferably headless
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; - ssh on by default
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; - building 32bit AND 64bit packages
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; - using chroots to build and preferably having basesystem chroots
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; on it. also
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; cleans up so buildrequires are properly tested, and lint checking
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; and what else a buildnode normally does.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; This can be done using iurt.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; so, how exactly does this work? iurt automagically build basesystem
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; chroots and chrootbuilds stuff? is there any task that is needed for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; this kind of thing?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yes. See iurt package. And iurt config file used on the cluster :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/puppet/modules/buildsystem/templates/iurt.ca">http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/puppet/modules/buildsystem/templates/iurt.ca</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ul dron.conf?revision=734&amp;view=markup
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; - no signing step
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; - still as small as possible so it can be put somewhere for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; downloading. - nice to have is possibly a sort of local submission
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; tree so submitting
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; could also be practised.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; You mean installing a full build system in a VM ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; You can try to do it using puppet, and the puppet modules on svn :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; well, i donno, i don't know puppet and this is not meant to be used in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; a controlled environment, but just built like this and people use it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; locally. there is not really any need to remote control this machine.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; just a one time setup.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The easiest way to setup a buildsystem is using puppet. Otherwise it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; will be more difficult.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could someone from the sysadmins write (if it has not been done already) a
+</I>&gt;<i> quick guide for puppet use, for example &quot;how to deploy a buildnode using
+</I>&gt;<i> puppet&quot; ? I guess that would help Maarteen a lot :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>
+It would help Maarten a lot :-)
+
+one extra question, if i use puppet to install it, it will be exactly like the
+current buildnode now?
+
+but is puppet then installed on it? because i don't want to give people the
+impression that if they install this vm, that the mageia sysadmins would have
+full control over their vm...
+
+or am i thinking totally the wrong way?
+
+furthermore, i'm thinking on this:
+ - how long does it take to install and configure puppet and rather configure
+the puppet classes for the VM. in relation to the actual install?
+
+i mean, if i can install this VM by just one urpmi line with --urpmi-root
+option, it seems also overkill to have puppet.
+
+well, i guess this just proves how little i know of puppet. :-(
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+&gt;<i> I was wondering if any packager is planning to import and maintain
+</I>&gt;<i> Seamonkey for Mageia.
+</I>
+Since I'm moving to mageia plan to maintain all packages I was maintaining
+there unless someone else wants to do it. Seamonkey is one of them.
+
+&gt;<i> If nobody wants to do it I might consider it, but since it's quite a
+</I>&gt;<i> complex package I'd prefer if someone with more experience than me does
+</I>&gt;<i> it! :)
+</I>
+Unfortunately the seamonkey name and logos are trademarked and the license
+terms are most likely not acceptable so it seems to me we'll have to
+rename/rebrand it.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> If nobody wants to do it I might consider it, but since it's quite a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> complex package I'd prefer if someone with more experience than me does
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it! :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunately the seamonkey name and logos are trademarked and the license
+</I>&gt;<i> terms are most likely not acceptable so it seems to me we'll have to
+</I>&gt;<i> rename/rebrand it.
+</I>
+Is it different than firefox license terms ?
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+ <B>R&#233;mi Verschelde</B>
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+<PRE>When you say &quot;media&quot; player, does it concern stricty video playing or
+should the default media player be suitable for both video and audio?
+Personally I like to keep these two separated, I feel that a
+specialised player will best fulfil its purpose than a multimedia
+player like Windows Media Player.
+
+I love to use VLC to play videos, because it's simple, work out of the
+box and efficiently. I have some issues with it (it doesn't manage to
+play some videos with recent hi-res codecs), but I think that is
+related to my crappy hardware - actually my whole Mandriva install is
+crumbling apart. When I have an issue with VLC, I use mplayer
+directly. VLC is one of the most popular video players in France
+(maybe because the VideoLAN project began in Paris?), but I don't know
+if it is widely used in the rest of the world.
+I agree that the play-list of VLC is a bit strange, but since I don't
+use it to listen to music that's not a big problem for me.
+
+For playing music, I use Clementine, for I liked Amarok 1.4 but I
+can't stand Amarok 2.
+Before I discovered Clementine, I used Quod Libet but I think that it
+is more suited to a GNOME environment.
+
+Cheers,
+R&#233;mi / Akien.
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+<PRE>On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, nicolas vigier wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Christiaan Welvaart wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If nobody wants to do it I might consider it, but since it's quite a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> complex package I'd prefer if someone with more experience than me does
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it! :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Unfortunately the seamonkey name and logos are trademarked and the license
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> terms are most likely not acceptable so it seems to me we'll have to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rename/rebrand it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it different than firefox license terms ?
+</I>
+Same rules AFAIK, see
+ <A HREF="http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html">http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html</A>
+
+
+ Christiaan
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+
+&gt;<i> When you say &quot;media&quot; player, does it concern stricty video playing or
+</I>&gt;<i> should the default media player be suitable for both video and audio?
+</I>&gt;<i> Personally I like to keep these two separated, I feel that a
+</I>&gt;<i> specialised player will best fulfil its purpose than a multimedia
+</I>&gt;<i> player like Windows Media Player.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Just a note for all this discussion, it is just my point of view...
+
+All desktops have their own 'standard' or 'official' media players.
+I will talk about gnome, you can translate it to kde, for which I have
+no idea of which will be the equivalents.
+
+In Gnome, the official video player is totem, and the official
+backend is gstreamer. So both things should be installed by default
+and with all the codecs needed. if someone says 'I want support for
+XViD in the default Gnome install', well, you should install the needed
+gstreamer module. So everything should be supported by the standard
+official player.
+
+After that, you can install other players, better if they fit the
+desktop. For example, after totem I would vote for gnome-mplayer,
+the Gnome front end for mplayer. And after that, other 'foreign'
+players like VLC or the like.
+
+So what would I put in distrib ISO ? totem and main bunch of
+gstreamer codecs, that carries no dicussion, and if there is still
+space, gnome-mplayer and mplayer.
+
+I suppose the same can be thought for KDE. Install whatever the
+default phonon-based player is, and if there is space, others.
+
+I think nowadays the default official players are capable of playing
+the main formats everybody will use (XVid, DiVX, h264, mpeg, mp3 or
+ac3 audio, etc...).
+
+&gt;<i> I love to use VLC to play videos, because it's simple, work out of the
+</I>&gt;<i> box and efficiently. I have some issues with it (it doesn't manage to
+</I>&gt;<i> play some videos with recent hi-res codecs), but I think that is
+</I>&gt;<i> related to my crappy hardware - actually my whole Mandriva install is
+</I>&gt;<i> crumbling apart. When I have an issue with VLC, I use mplayer
+</I>&gt;<i> directly. VLC is one of the most popular video players in France
+</I>&gt;<i> (maybe because the VideoLAN project began in Paris?), but I don't know
+</I>&gt;<i> if it is widely used in the rest of the world.
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree that the play-list of VLC is a bit strange, but since I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> use it to listen to music that's not a big problem for me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For playing music, I use Clementine, for I liked Amarok 1.4 but I
+</I>&gt;<i> can't stand Amarok 2.
+</I>&gt;<i> Before I discovered Clementine, I used Quod Libet but I think that it
+</I>&gt;<i> is more suited to a GNOME environment.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> R&#233;mi / Akien.
+</I>
+
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+Quote: Christiaan Welvaart wrote on Thu, 10 March 2011 23:26
+----------------------------------------------------
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, nicolas vigier wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Christiaan Welvaart wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Unfortunately the seamonkey name and logos are trademarked and the
+</I>&gt;<i> license
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; terms are most likely not acceptable so it seems to me we'll have
+</I>&gt;<i> to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; rename/rebrand it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Is it different than firefox license terms ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Same rules AFAIK, see
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html">http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html</A>
+</I>
+I don't see why we need to change the name. The policy says:
+
+&quot;If you compile Mozilla unmodified source code (including code and config
+files in the installer) and do not charge for it, you do not need
+additional permission from Mozilla to use the relevant Mozilla Mark(s) for
+your compiled version.&quot;
+
+So if you don't do any changes we can use the name &quot;Mozilla Seamonkey&quot;.
+
+Does Mandriva has an explicit permission from Mozilla?
+
+Does Mageia have an explicit permission for Firefox?
+
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+ <h1>10 March 2011 Archives by author</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
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+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Mar 10 00:06:08 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Mar 10 23:54:44 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 39<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003172.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003193.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003200.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003173.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003183.html">[Mageia-dev] My account, and accounts which are left
+</A><A NAME="3183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003199.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins
+</A><A NAME="3199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003196.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins
+</A><A NAME="3196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003206.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003178.html">[Mageia-dev] My account, and accounts which are left
+</A><A NAME="3178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cazzaniga Sandro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003182.html">[Mageia-dev] My account, and accounts which are left
+</A><A NAME="3182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cazzaniga Sandro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003174.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003176.html">[Mageia-dev] 09/03/2011 packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="3176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003185.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003195.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003198.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003175.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
+</A><A NAME="3175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rob Thomson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003184.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins
+</A><A NAME="3184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003186.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins
+</A><A NAME="3186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003188.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003192.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003207.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="3207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003169.html">[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM
+</A><A NAME="3169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003171.html">[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM
+</A><A NAME="3171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003201.html">[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM
+</A><A NAME="3201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003204.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003189.html">[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM
+</A><A NAME="3189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003187.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003190.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003202.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="3202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003205.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="3205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003179.html">[Mageia-dev] artwork team, packager/dev assistance needed
+</A><A NAME="3179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003191.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003177.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003170.html">[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM
+</A><A NAME="3170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003180.html">[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM
+</A><A NAME="3180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003181.html">[Mageia-dev] My account, and accounts which are left
+</A><A NAME="3181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003203.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="3203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003194.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>xi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003197.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>xi
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Mar 10 23:54:44 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Mar 10 23:53:33 CET 2011</i>
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+
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
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+ <h1>10 March 2011 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Mar 10 00:06:08 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Mar 10 23:54:44 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 39<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003169.html">[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM
+</A><A NAME="3169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003170.html">[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM
+</A><A NAME="3170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003171.html">[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM
+</A><A NAME="3171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003172.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003173.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003174.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003175.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
+</A><A NAME="3175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rob Thomson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003176.html">[Mageia-dev] 09/03/2011 packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="3176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003177.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003178.html">[Mageia-dev] My account, and accounts which are left
+</A><A NAME="3178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cazzaniga Sandro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003179.html">[Mageia-dev] artwork team, packager/dev assistance needed
+</A><A NAME="3179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003180.html">[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM
+</A><A NAME="3180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003181.html">[Mageia-dev] My account, and accounts which are left
+</A><A NAME="3181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003182.html">[Mageia-dev] My account, and accounts which are left
+</A><A NAME="3182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cazzaniga Sandro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003183.html">[Mageia-dev] My account, and accounts which are left
+</A><A NAME="3183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003185.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003184.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins
+</A><A NAME="3184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003186.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins
+</A><A NAME="3186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003187.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003188.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003189.html">[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM
+</A><A NAME="3189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003190.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003191.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003192.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003194.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>xi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003193.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003195.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003196.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins
+</A><A NAME="3196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003197.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>xi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003198.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003199.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins
+</A><A NAME="3199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003200.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003201.html">[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM
+</A><A NAME="3201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003202.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="3202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003203.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="3203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003204.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003205.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="3205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003206.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003207.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="3207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Mar 10 23:54:44 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Mar 10 23:53:33 CET 2011</i>
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
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+ <h1>10 March 2011 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Mar 10 00:06:08 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Mar 10 23:54:44 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 39<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003176.html">[Mageia-dev] 09/03/2011 packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="3176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003175.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
+</A><A NAME="3175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rob Thomson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003179.html">[Mageia-dev] artwork team, packager/dev assistance needed
+</A><A NAME="3179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003172.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003173.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003174.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003198.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003200.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003204.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003206.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003184.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins
+</A><A NAME="3184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003186.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins
+</A><A NAME="3186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003196.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins
+</A><A NAME="3196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003199.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins
+</A><A NAME="3199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003169.html">[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM
+</A><A NAME="3169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003170.html">[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM
+</A><A NAME="3170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003171.html">[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM
+</A><A NAME="3171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003180.html">[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM
+</A><A NAME="3180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003189.html">[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM
+</A><A NAME="3189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003201.html">[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM
+</A><A NAME="3201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003178.html">[Mageia-dev] My account, and accounts which are left
+</A><A NAME="3178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cazzaniga Sandro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003181.html">[Mageia-dev] My account, and accounts which are left
+</A><A NAME="3181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003182.html">[Mageia-dev] My account, and accounts which are left
+</A><A NAME="3182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cazzaniga Sandro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003183.html">[Mageia-dev] My account, and accounts which are left
+</A><A NAME="3183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003202.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="3202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003203.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="3203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003205.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="3205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003207.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="3207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003177.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003185.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003187.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003188.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003190.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003191.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003192.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003194.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>xi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003193.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003195.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003197.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>xi
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Mar 10 23:54:44 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Mar 10 23:53:33 CET 2011</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
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+ <h1>10 March 2011 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Mar 10 00:06:08 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Mar 10 23:54:44 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 39<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01299711968- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003169.html">[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM
+</A><A NAME="3169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01299711968-01299712956- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003170.html">[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM
+</A><A NAME="3170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01299711968-01299712956-01299718187- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003171.html">[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM
+</A><A NAME="3171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01299711968-01299712956-01299718187-01299755831- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003180.html">[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM
+</A><A NAME="3180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01299711968-01299712956-01299718187-01299755831-01299771325- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003189.html">[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM
+</A><A NAME="3189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01299711968-01299712956-01299718187-01299755831-01299771325-01299790339- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003201.html">[Mageia-dev] help wanted for building a buildnode-in-a-VM
+</A><A NAME="3201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01299743751- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003172.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01299743751-01299745048- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003173.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01299743751-01299745048-01299785317- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003200.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01299743751-01299746471- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003174.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01299743751-01299746471-01299777036- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003198.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01299743751-01299795059- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003204.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01299743751-01299795059-01299796736- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003206.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01299746479- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003175.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
+</A><A NAME="3175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rob Thomson
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01299747267- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003176.html">[Mageia-dev] 09/03/2011 packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="3176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01299751200- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003177.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01299751200-01299770006- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003185.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01299751200-01299770006-01299770517- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003187.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01299751200-01299770006-01299770517-01299771215- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003188.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01299751200-01299770006-01299770517-01299771215-01299771487- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003190.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01299751200-01299770006-01299770517-01299771215-01299771487-01299771792- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003192.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01299751200-01299770006-01299771853- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003194.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>xi
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01299751200-01299770006-01299771853-01299773643- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003195.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01299751200-01299770006-01299771853-01299773643-01299775309- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003197.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>xi
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01299751200-01299771689- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003191.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01299751200-01299771689-01299772085- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003193.html">[Mageia-dev] Yet another list of missing packages
+</A><A NAME="3193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01299755531- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003178.html">[Mageia-dev] My account, and accounts which are left
+</A><A NAME="3178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cazzaniga Sandro
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01299755531-01299756741- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003181.html">[Mageia-dev] My account, and accounts which are left
+</A><A NAME="3181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01299755531-01299756741-01299756907- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003182.html">[Mageia-dev] My account, and accounts which are left
+</A><A NAME="3182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cazzaniga Sandro
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01299755531-01299756741-01299756907-01299759171- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003183.html">[Mageia-dev] My account, and accounts which are left
+</A><A NAME="3183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01299755827- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003179.html">[Mageia-dev] artwork team, packager/dev assistance needed
+</A><A NAME="3179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01299770074- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003184.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins
+</A><A NAME="3184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01299770074-01299770392- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003186.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins
+</A><A NAME="3186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01299770074-01299770392-01299775265- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003196.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins
+</A><A NAME="3196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01299770074-01299770392-01299780990- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003199.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins
+</A><A NAME="3199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01299790502- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003202.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="3202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01299790502-01299791672- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003203.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="3203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01299790502-01299791672-01299795974- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003205.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="3205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01299790502-01299791672-01299795974-01299797684- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003207.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="3207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Mar 10 23:54:44 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Mar 10 23:53:33 CET 2011</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
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