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+ <B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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+<PRE>Hi,
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+Now and then, i'm refreshing <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/</A> and sometimes i
+notice the missing dependancies increasing...
+
+As such, i have no big problem with this, except that i would like this to be
+solved one way or the other when we release final.
+
+however, when i looked at them, i noticed a missing dependancy for &quot;0.5.0&quot;,
+which is odd to say the least.
+
+I want to ask packagers when they build packages and follow up the buildstatus
+on <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/</A> , that they just takes the extra second of
+time to just look at the missing deps (of course, i heard that the missing
+deps only refresh every 15min, so keep that in mind).
+
+thanks all
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+ <B>Balcaen John</B>
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 20 f&#233;vrier 2011 20:23:30, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now and then, i'm refreshing <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/</A> and sometimes i
+</I>&gt;<i> notice the missing dependancies increasing...
+</I>[...]
+
+Maybe we should in fact check dependencies directly from the spec &amp; fix
+requires before uploading the &#171; main &#187; package ?
+
+--
+Balcaen John
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+-----Original Message-----
+&gt;<i>From: Pierre Chaland &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pierre.chaland at tsf47.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>Sent: Feb 20, 2011 4:49 PM
+</I>&gt;<i>To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Le samedi 19 f&#233;vrier 2011 21:18:48 Remy CLOUARD, vous avez &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As the title says so, this mail is intended to all people who would like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to become a packager, but who don&#8217;t know where to look, what&#8217;s the path,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what to do.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As you may or may not know, mentoring started a few weeks ago, with some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> people who are already quite experienced in packaging.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> These people are making progress quite quickly, and will soon be able to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be full-fledged packagers. Now, many of you would like to do that too.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So how to get started ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -----------------------
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, there are several things you can already do.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> First, I suggest you to join #mageia-mentoring so that you can ask any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> question you&#8217;d like to people who are already packagers. Don&#8217;t hesitate
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to ask anything, there&#8217;s no stupid question. If you don&#8217;t get an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> immediate answer, don&#8217;t hesitate to ping us
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It would also be great that other mentors join the channel as well, so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that we can answer people. At the moment ahmad, mikala, anssi, Nanar and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I are on the channel.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I know nothing about packaging, could you give me a pointer ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There&#8217;s a documentation that tries to summarize how to do a rpm on this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> page:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=rpm_start">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=rpm_start</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Don&#8217;t be afraid by the size of the page, take your time to read it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We would appreciate some feedbacks about this documentation. Tell us if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> some things are not clear, so that we can rephrase it, so that we can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> explain it to you.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It&#8217;s not that hard really, and I suggest you to take a look at an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> existing spec to see how it&#8217;s done.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> At the moment, many packages have been imported, but many packages are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> also waiting for someone to maintain it. You can have a list of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> unmaintained packages here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://maint.mandriva.com/listpkgs.php?owner=1">http://maint.mandriva.com/listpkgs.php?owner=1</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Beware, check first that the package is not deprecated, unmaintained
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> upstream, and start with a small one, not very difficult, like a small
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> console app or a game. Again, if some bits are difficult to understand,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> please tell us :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I already know some bits of packaging, would like to package for mageia,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what can I do ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packaging policies represent a good amount of doc that might be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> difficult to learn. You don&#8217;t have to know them by heart at first, just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to know that they exist, and that you should refer to them when you are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> trying to do. For instance, if you&#8217;re interested in python packages, you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> don&#8217;t have to know the perl packaging policy, but you should know that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> they exist and refer to it if you have a perl dependency to your
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Package policies are listed in this page :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=policies-review">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=policies-review</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You might also have a look at the aforementionned rpm start page in case
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of doubt, and ask packagers when you don&#8217;t know.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Come on #mageia-mentoring, so that you can get in touch with a mentor,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and if he becomes available, you will be able to start with the various
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tools we use to build packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I do hope that this mail gives you a path to start with, please tell me
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if I am missing something, and again don&#8217;t be discouraged by the amount
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of documentation you will read.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>I try to did what was writen in <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku?id=rpm_start">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku?id=rpm_start</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>With urpmi I can load ktron rpm.
+</I>&gt;<i>But if I want to build this same package it cannot find the file.See below.
+</I>&gt;<i>[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pierre at sonypierre</A> rpm]$
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm -i/cauldron/SRPMS/core/ktron-4.5.95-1.mga1.src.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i>erreur: &#233;chec de l'ouverture de
+</I>&gt;<i>/cauldron/SRPMS/core/ktron-4.5.95-1.mga1.src.rpm: Aucun fichier ou dossier de
+</I>&gt;<i>ce type
+</I>
+Unless it was broken out it is probably bundled with kde games.
+
+
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+
+This is just a reminder, when attaching a text log to a bug report in
+bugzilla, make sure to set the &quot;content type&quot; to text/plain, leaving
+it as &quot;auto-detect&quot; doesn't work (this is an old bug, the same issue
+happened in mdv bugzilla).
+
+Thanks.
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+&gt;<i> Revision 599 Author pterjan Date 2011-02-20 21:50:18 +0100 (Sun, 20 Feb
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
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+</I>&gt;<i> Only check deps for packages buildable on x86_64
+</I>
+Why not try the same logic and i586, then fail (which is fine
+since for now we only care about those 2 arches)?
+
+Index: lib/Youri/Submit/Check/Deps.pm
+===================================================================
+--- lib/Youri/Submit/Check/Deps.pm (r&#233;vision 600)
++++ lib/Youri/Submit/Check/Deps.pm (copie de travail)
+@@ -68,9 +68,9 @@
+ # FIXME we need dependencies on all archs except for ExclusiveArch
+ # Unfortunately some dependencies depend on the arch were the
+src.rpm was geenrated
+ # Currently src.rpm is generated on x86_64, so we need to check on that one
+- # If the package is not buildable on x86_64 we just don't test anything
+ my $arch = 'x86_64';
+ my @exclusivearchs = $package-&gt;get_tag(&quot;exclusivearchs&quot;);
++ $arch = 'i586' if @exclusivearchs &amp;&amp; ! (grep {$_ eq $arch}
+@exclusivearchs);
+ return if @exclusivearchs &amp;&amp; ! (grep {$_ eq $arch} @exclusivearchs);
+ # foreach my $arch ($repository-&gt;get_extra_arches()) {
+ my $media = new Youri::Media::URPM(name =&gt; &quot;core.&quot;.$arch,
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+ <B>Michael Scherer</B>
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+<PRE> On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:52:08 -0300, Balcaen John wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 20 f&#233;vrier 2011 20:23:30, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now and then, i'm refreshing <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/</A> and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sometimes i
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> notice the missing dependancies increasing...
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe we should in fact check dependencies directly from the spec &amp;
+</I>&gt;<i> fix
+</I>&gt;<i> requires before uploading the &#171; main &#187; package ?
+</I>
+ This wouldn't work for runtime deps, such as pythoneggs(.*).
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+ But that would help in most case, indeed.
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+&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think about switching from defaulting to installing on raw
+</I>&gt;<i> partitions to lvm
+</I>&gt;<i> installing on LVs like fedora does ?
+</I>
+I vote against that. (=to be enabled by default)
+
+LVM is fine for &quot;enterprise&quot; setups, or better, installations where the
+(expert) admin will need to resize/move partitions in the future. But, for
+simple machines/users, the complexity of having LVM is IMHO not worth it.
+
+(remember also that on all *nix OSes, you can just add a partition, move some
+files like /usr/share/doc into it and then mount it on /usr/share/doc, thus
+freeing /usr of some space. No LVM, no virtualization, no ZFS required)
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+<PRE>* P. Christeas (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">p_christ at hol.gr</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sunday 20 February 2011, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What do you think about switching from defaulting to installing on raw
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; partitions to lvm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; installing on LVs like fedora does ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I vote against that. (=to be enabled by default)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> LVM is fine for &quot;enterprise&quot; setups, or better, installations where the
+</I>&gt;<i> (expert) admin will need to resize/move partitions in the future. But, for
+</I>&gt;<i> simple machines/users, the complexity of having LVM is IMHO not worth it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (remember also that on all *nix OSes, you can just add a partition, move some
+</I>&gt;<i> files like /usr/share/doc into it and then mount it on /usr/share/doc, thus
+</I>&gt;<i> freeing /usr of some space. No LVM, no virtualization, no ZFS required)
+</I>
+I mostly agree, but the snapshot feature can really be an advantage...
+
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+<PRE> On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:51:31 +0200, P. Christeas wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sunday 20 February 2011, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What do you think about switching from defaulting to installing on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> raw
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> partitions to lvm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installing on LVs like fedora does ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I vote against that. (=to be enabled by default)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> LVM is fine for &quot;enterprise&quot; setups, or better, installations where
+</I>&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;<i> (expert) admin will need to resize/move partitions in the future.
+</I>&gt;<i> But, for
+</I>&gt;<i> simple machines/users, the complexity of having LVM is IMHO not worth
+</I>&gt;<i> it.
+</I>
+ We often see people coming at the lug who have issue of having &quot;not
+ enough
+ space on their home&quot;, and who want to resize their partition. Of
+ course, they work around by using
+ various adhoc system ( like mounting external disk and so on ), but I
+ think it would be much nicer
+ for them to be able to resize it easily ( and not by using a livecd ).
+
+&gt;<i> (remember also that on all *nix OSes, you can just add a partition,
+</I>&gt;<i> move some
+</I>&gt;<i> files like /usr/share/doc into it and then mount it on
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/doc, thus
+</I>&gt;<i> freeing /usr of some space. No LVM, no virtualization, no ZFS
+</I>&gt;<i> required)
+</I>
+ This seems to me quite complex, when compared to a graphical interface
+ to resize
+ a disk ( as would diskdrake or palimsest be ).
+
+ And of course, that's also something that was tried at Mandriva, with
+ the unfortunate problem
+ of &quot;svn full&quot; and &quot;mirror full&quot; problem from some years ago. I am not
+ sure that allowing this
+ kind of hack to perpetuate &quot;because it worked on my computer so it
+ would work on my server&quot; is
+ a so good idea. ( on the other hand, if people do unclean stuff, I
+ will have less effort to keep my job
+ or to take their )
+
+--
+ Michael Scherer
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+<PRE>On 21 February 2011 08:51, P. Christeas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">p_christ at hol.gr</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> What do you think about switching from defaulting to installing on raw
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> partitions to lvm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installing on LVs like fedora does ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I vote against that. (=to be enabled by default)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> LVM is fine for &quot;enterprise&quot; setups, or better, installations where the
+</I>&gt;<i> (expert) admin will need to resize/move partitions in the future. But, for
+</I>&gt;<i> simple machines/users, the complexity of having LVM is IMHO not worth it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (remember also that on all *nix OSes, you can just add a partition, move some
+</I>&gt;<i> files like /usr/share/doc into it and then mount it on /usr/share/doc, thus
+</I>&gt;<i> freeing /usr of some space. No LVM, no virtualization, no ZFS required)
+</I>
+It's not as easy as LVM (need to use a partitionner).
+Diskdrake and the like will force you to umount the partitions to resize
+which may needs to boot on a rescue CD (eg for resizing / fs)
+It may not be possible ie:
+
+- you already have 4 primary partitions and none of them is an extended one.
+
+- If you've a small 8Go partition at start of the disk followed by one
+To partition
+ and you want to increase the first one, you're screwed without LVM
+ With LVM, you can just got some free space from anywhere (even another disk)
+
+What's more, one gains many features:
+
+- snapshots (yes snapshots for sql db backups are not for end users) but still
+ usefull for saving the whole system at one fixed time
+
+- you can extend some filesystems from space from other disks
+
+- it's easier to add space where needed when defaults partitions sizing proved
+ to be altered after some usage
+
+- one can live resize (w/o umouting/remounting)
+
+- one can use snapshots in order to rollback dangerous update
+ (eg: for trying initscript -&gt; systemd switch, ...)
+
+I think it brings many usefull features.
+Those who don't want LVM could still do manual partitionning.
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+&gt;<i> On 21 February 2011 08:51, P. Christeas&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">p_christ at hol.gr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What do you think about switching from defaulting to installing on raw
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> partitions to lvm
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> installing on LVs like fedora does ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I vote against that. (=to be enabled by default)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> LVM is fine for &quot;enterprise&quot; setups, or better, installations where the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (expert) admin will need to resize/move partitions in the future. But, for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> simple machines/users, the complexity of having LVM is IMHO not worth it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (remember also that on all *nix OSes, you can just add a partition, move some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> files like /usr/share/doc into it and then mount it on /usr/share/doc, thus
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> freeing /usr of some space. No LVM, no virtualization, no ZFS required)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's not as easy as LVM (need to use a partitionner).
+</I>&gt;<i> Diskdrake and the like will force you to umount the partitions to resize
+</I>&gt;<i> which may needs to boot on a rescue CD (eg for resizing / fs)
+</I>&gt;<i> It may not be possible ie:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - you already have 4 primary partitions and none of them is an extended one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - If you've a small 8Go partition at start of the disk followed by one
+</I>&gt;<i> To partition
+</I>&gt;<i> and you want to increase the first one, you're screwed without LVM
+</I>&gt;<i> With LVM, you can just got some free space from anywhere (even another disk)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What's more, one gains many features:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - snapshots (yes snapshots for sql db backups are not for end users) but still
+</I>&gt;<i> usefull for saving the whole system at one fixed time
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - you can extend some filesystems from space from other disks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - it's easier to add space where needed when defaults partitions sizing proved
+</I>&gt;<i> to be altered after some usage
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - one can live resize (w/o umouting/remounting)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - one can use snapshots in order to rollback dangerous update
+</I>&gt;<i> (eg: for trying initscript -&gt; systemd switch, ...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it brings many usefull features.
+</I>&gt;<i> Those who don't want LVM could still do manual partitionning.
+</I>
+I am still not convinced of how easy this can be. For having attempted
+to manage (and learn) how to manage LVM partitons with CentOS, it is
+quite complicated. So it certainly has many advantages, but I'm awaiting
+an intuitive disk manager like Diskdrake to manage this stuff without
+the need of preliminary knowledge.
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+<PRE>Op maandag 21 februari 2011 10:36:15 schreef Thierry Vignaud:
+&gt;<i> On 21 February 2011 08:51, P. Christeas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">p_christ at hol.gr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; What do you think about switching from defaulting to installing on raw
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; partitions to lvm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; installing on LVs like fedora does ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I vote against that. (=to be enabled by default)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; LVM is fine for &quot;enterprise&quot; setups, or better, installations where the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (expert) admin will need to resize/move partitions in the future. But,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for simple machines/users, the complexity of having LVM is IMHO not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; worth it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (remember also that on all *nix OSes, you can just add a partition, move
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; some files like /usr/share/doc into it and then mount it on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /usr/share/doc, thus freeing /usr of some space. No LVM, no
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; virtualization, no ZFS required)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's not as easy as LVM (need to use a partitionner).
+</I>&gt;<i> Diskdrake and the like will force you to umount the partitions to resize
+</I>&gt;<i> which may needs to boot on a rescue CD (eg for resizing / fs)
+</I>&gt;<i> It may not be possible ie:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - you already have 4 primary partitions and none of them is an extended
+</I>&gt;<i> one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - If you've a small 8Go partition at start of the disk followed by one
+</I>&gt;<i> To partition
+</I>&gt;<i> and you want to increase the first one, you're screwed without LVM
+</I>&gt;<i> With LVM, you can just got some free space from anywhere (even another
+</I>&gt;<i> disk)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What's more, one gains many features:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - snapshots (yes snapshots for sql db backups are not for end users) but
+</I>&gt;<i> still usefull for saving the whole system at one fixed time
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - you can extend some filesystems from space from other disks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - it's easier to add space where needed when defaults partitions sizing
+</I>&gt;<i> proved to be altered after some usage
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - one can live resize (w/o umouting/remounting)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - one can use snapshots in order to rollback dangerous update
+</I>&gt;<i> (eg: for trying initscript -&gt; systemd switch, ...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it brings many usefull features.
+</I>&gt;<i> Those who don't want LVM could still do manual partitionning.
+</I>
+if we switch from ext4 to btrfs next year or so, we will have snapshotting and
+a lot of other usefull features.
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+users are running dual (or multiple) boot systems, keeping the
+pre-installed Windows and adding Linux. Others will have Windows and
+Mandriva, adding Mageia.
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+While LVM may be nice if you are running one OS on one harddisk, it
+may be not so easy when running 3 OS on one harddisk. Or different
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 20 February 2011 21:50, &#160;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Revision 599 Author pterjan Date 2011-02-20 21:50:18 +0100 (Sun, 20 Feb
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Only check deps for packages buildable on x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why not try the same logic and i586, then fail (which is fine
+</I>&gt;<i> since for now we only care about those 2 arches)?
+</I>
+Because the src.rpm is rebuilt on this x86_64 machine before this code
+is called :(
+That's why there is a FIXME to find a way to check on all non excluded arch
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+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 20 f&#233;vrier 2011 20:23:30, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now and then, i'm refreshing <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/</A> and sometimes i
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> notice the missing dependancies increasing...
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe we should in fact check dependencies directly from the spec &amp; fix
+</I>&gt;<i> requires before uploading the &#171; main &#187; package ?
+</I>
+The reason to not reject packages with missing dependencies is for
+bootstrapping
+Sometime one of the subpackages will not be installable immediately,
+but the other subpackage needed to build the package which will
+satisfy this dependency will be.
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+<PRE>Op maandag 21 februari 2011 10:56:23 schreef Wolfgang Bornath:
+&gt;<i> Another part of the discussion may be the fact that a large number of
+</I>&gt;<i> users are running dual (or multiple) boot systems, keeping the
+</I>&gt;<i> pre-installed Windows and adding Linux. Others will have Windows and
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva, adding Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While LVM may be nice if you are running one OS on one harddisk, it
+</I>&gt;<i> may be not so easy when running 3 OS on one harddisk. Or different
+</I>&gt;<i> installations of the same Linux (like stable version and cauldron).
+</I>
+I think we ALL agree on LVM being present in diskdrake during installation.
+
+However, alot of things can go wrong if a user fiddles with those, so i would
+keep it hidden under expert mode (not by default).
+
+just my opinion
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 23:52, Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">balcaen.john at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le dimanche 20 f&#233;vrier 2011 20:23:30, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Now and then, i'm refreshing <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/</A> and sometimes
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; i notice the missing dependancies increasing...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe we should in fact check dependencies directly from the spec &amp; fix
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; requires before uploading the &#171; main &#187; package ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The reason to not reject packages with missing dependencies is for
+</I>&gt;<i> bootstrapping
+</I>&gt;<i> Sometime one of the subpackages will not be installable immediately,
+</I>&gt;<i> but the other subpackage needed to build the package which will
+</I>&gt;<i> satisfy this dependency will be.
+</I>
+to be honest, i would be in favor of doing such a check, with an exception
+usable via mgarepo ( --bootstrapping or something).
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Op maandag 21 februari 2011 12:10:36 schreef Pascal Terjan:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 23:52, Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">balcaen.john at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Le dimanche 20 f&#233;vrier 2011 20:23:30, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Now and then, i'm refreshing <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/</A> and sometimes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; i notice the missing dependancies increasing...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe we should in fact check dependencies directly from the spec &amp; fix
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; requires before uploading the &#171; main &#187; package ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The reason to not reject packages with missing dependencies is for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bootstrapping
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sometime one of the subpackages will not be installable immediately,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but the other subpackage needed to build the package which will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> satisfy this dependency will be.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> to be honest, i would be in favor of doing such a check, with an exception
+</I>&gt;<i> usable via mgarepo ( --bootstrapping or something).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+why ? why not the time you use by writting those emails for packaging
+the missing deps ? :)
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+&gt;<i> Another part of the discussion may be the fact that a large number of
+</I>&gt;<i> users are running dual (or multiple) boot systems, keeping the
+</I>&gt;<i> pre-installed Windows and adding Linux. Others will have Windows and
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva, adding Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While LVM may be nice if you are running one OS on one harddisk, it
+</I>&gt;<i> may be not so easy when running 3 OS on one harddisk. Or different
+</I>&gt;<i> installations of the same Linux (like stable version and cauldron).
+</I>
+I do run lvm on Fedora and mac os x without any trouble. Windows will
+not support any linux file system more than lvm, and the same goes for
+os x.
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+For a linux system, a lvm logical volume is just another disk.
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+<PRE>2011/2/21 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 21 f&#233;vrier 2011 &#224; 10:56 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Another part of the discussion may be the fact that a large number of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> users are running dual (or multiple) boot systems, keeping the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pre-installed Windows and adding Linux. Others will have Windows and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mandriva, adding Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> While LVM may be nice if you are running one OS on one harddisk, it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> may be not so easy when running 3 OS on one harddisk. Or different
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installations of the same Linux (like stable version and cauldron).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I do run lvm on Fedora and mac os x without any trouble. Windows will
+</I>&gt;<i> not support any linux file system more than lvm, and the same goes for
+</I>&gt;<i> os x.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For a linux system, a lvm logical volume is just another disk.
+</I>
+Apart from all possible issues, diskdrake needs first to be improved.
+Looking on partitions when you run LVM still needs to have knowledge
+about how it works. And I really don't think people can easily
+understand PV, VG, LV and FS
+
+
+
+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
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+&gt;<i> Those who don't want LVM could still do manual partitionning.
+</I>... and viceversa... those who know what they're doing could
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+&gt;<i> I think we ALL agree on LVM being present in diskdrake during installation.
+</I>As far as i know is in (at least in Mandriva). I, for install, installed a 2009.1
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+<PRE>On Monday 21 February 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+&gt;<i> I think we ALL agree on LVM being present in diskdrake during installation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However, alot of things can go wrong if a user fiddles with those, so i
+</I>&gt;<i> would keep it hidden under expert mode (not by default).
+</I>
+Agreed. Being there, and being supported for machines that already have LVM on
+them is a must (eg. like installing Mageia at misc's hard disk).
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Maarten Vanraes
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op maandag 21 februari 2011 12:10:36 schreef Pascal Terjan:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 23:52, Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">balcaen.john at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Le dimanche 20 f&#233;vrier 2011 20:23:30, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Now and then, i'm refreshing <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/</A> and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; sometimes i notice the missing dependancies increasing...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Maybe we should in fact check dependencies directly from the spec &amp;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; fix requires before uploading the &#171; main &#187; package ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; The reason to not reject packages with missing dependencies is for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; bootstrapping
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Sometime one of the subpackages will not be installable immediately,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; but the other subpackage needed to build the package which will
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; satisfy this dependency will be.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to be honest, i would be in favor of doing such a check, with an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; exception usable via mgarepo ( --bootstrapping or something).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> why ? why not the time you use by writting those emails for packaging
+</I>&gt;<i> the missing deps ? :)
+</I>
+because it's a safeguard, so people don't have to spend more time later on
+fixing it. and reducing chance of such failures happening when we really
+release...
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+<PRE>Le lundi 21 f&#233;vrier 2011 04:46:10, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:52:08 -0300, Balcaen John wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le dimanche 20 f&#233;vrier 2011 20:23:30, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Now and then, i'm refreshing <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/</A> and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; sometimes i
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; notice the missing dependancies increasing...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe we should in fact check dependencies directly from the spec &amp;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fix
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; requires before uploading the &#171; main &#187; package ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This wouldn't work for runtime deps, such as pythoneggs(.*).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But that would help in most case, indeed.
+</I>Well in fact i was thinking about maintainer's job &amp; not necessary a check
+during mgarepo submit :
+If a maintainer wants to upload package 'x' he should check that package 'y' &amp;
+'z' are available before because x is requiring y which is requiring z etc...
+Since we're already doing it for BR, we should also do it for Requires.
+
+(&amp; since i still don't understand python i don't know if it's going to work
+for pythoneggs :p )
+
+
+Regards,
+
+--
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+</I>&gt;<i> For a linux system, a lvm logical volume is just another disk.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Perhaps a bit OT, but does the current harddisk install support cauldron
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; For a linux system, a lvm logical volume is just another disk.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I've had issues in the past because Linux considered LVM just one logical
+disk and I think the average user would eventually have the same problem as
+well. I think moving to LVM as the default will create too many complaints
+and support requests in the end.
+
+A long time ago I had a system with 6 SCSI disks, each 1.2GB. The system
+was fairly useless with the single disks, but using LVM I had 1 disk of
+reasonable size. I ran the system for about a year with no problems, but
+then 1 of the disks failed. Normally this would be a medium inconvenience,
+because I would just have to restore the files from that one drive to
+another drive. However, with the LVM, I lost the ability to read the entire
+LVM. I had to restore the entire system, which was a much bigger pain. I
+also could not obtain a disk of the same small size for a reasonable price,
+which I was told would make the problem even bigger.
+
+If I had used some redundancy, then I might have been able to restore the
+one disk, but I was a novice user and didn't understand the need. I think
+that most users who use the defaults and probably novice users, or at least
+will be after Mageia takes off. I think LVM support is a must, but I think
+making it the default, without also making some redundancy the default, will
+cause more problems than it solves.
+
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+<PRE>On 19/02/11 21:18, Remy CLOUARD wrote:
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+&gt;<i> So how to get started ?
+</I>&gt;<i> -----------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, there are several things you can already do.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First, I suggest you to join #mageia-mentoring so that you can ask any
+</I>&gt;<i> question you&#8217;d like to people who are already packagers. Don&#8217;t hesitate
+</I>&gt;<i> to ask anything, there&#8217;s no stupid question. If you don&#8217;t get an
+</I>&gt;<i> immediate answer, don&#8217;t hesitate to ping us
+</I>
+Ok, then here we go, you asked for it...
+
+What's this #mageia-mentoring, IRC stuff? Is there a mentoring mailing
+list instead, like on gmane or so?
+
+I am a complete incompetent in terms of packaging, but I know how to
+download a source.tar.gz and compile it the right way.
+Under mandriva I am using a lot of scientific libs, like fftw, lapack,
+blas, and fvwm2 is my computing life; that I used to compile from
+sources too.
+So I am happy to help in any of those if my contribution can be used
+somehow. I am quite unreliable too in terms of freetime as it may happen
+that I am becoming very busy sometimes.
+
+cheers,
+Chris.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What's this #mageia-mentoring, IRC stuff?
+</I>
+It is an IRC channel where you will find packagers who will help you
+along with packaging problems.
+
+&gt;<i> I am a complete incompetent in terms of packaging, but I know how to
+</I>&gt;<i> download a source.tar.gz and compile it the right way.
+</I>
+For a start with packaging you may use the link given earlier in this thread:
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start</A>
+
+Have fun!
+
+--
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+&gt;<i> On 19/02/11 21:18, Remy CLOUARD wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So how to get started ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; -----------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Well, there are several things you can already do.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; First, I suggest you to join #mageia-mentoring so that you can ask any
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; question you&#8217;d like to people who are already packagers. Don&#8217;t hesitate
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to ask anything, there&#8217;s no stupid question. If you don&#8217;t get an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; immediate answer, don&#8217;t hesitate to ping us
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, then here we go, you asked for it...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What's this #mageia-mentoring, IRC stuff? Is there a mentoring mailing
+</I>&gt;<i> list instead, like on gmane or so?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am a complete incompetent in terms of packaging, but I know how to
+</I>&gt;<i> download a source.tar.gz and compile it the right way.
+</I>&gt;<i> Under mandriva I am using a lot of scientific libs, like fftw, lapack,
+</I>&gt;<i> blas, and fvwm2 is my computing life; that I used to compile from
+</I>&gt;<i> sources too.
+</I>&gt;<i> So I am happy to help in any of those if my contribution can be used
+</I>&gt;<i> somehow. I am quite unreliable too in terms of freetime as it may happen
+</I>&gt;<i> that I am becoming very busy sometimes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Chris.
+</I>
+there was some requests to get direct communications for mentoring, hence the
+chat channel.
+
+the idea is that all frequent questions are being put on the FAQ and all
+things unclear on the policies (which are alot of them).
+
+if you want to become a packager, and you are assigned a mentor, often your
+mentor will ask you to send emails to him/her.
+
+mentors and people helping out with mentoring are asked to go on that chat
+channel. i'm on it, and it's quite busy there.
+
+the thing is that packagers need to read up on policies cause it's important
+to follow those.
+
+even if you don't have a mentor yet, you can still make .spec files, have
+someone comment on those and possibly others will commit and submit them for
+you (your mentors' job), until you become a packager
+
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> I think moving to LVM as the default will create too many complaints and support requests in the end.
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+I found it an annoyance in Fedora as a regular user.
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+<PRE>On Monday, 21 February 2011 18:56:22 Jeff Robins wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; For a linux system, a lvm logical volume is just another disk.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've had issues in the past because Linux considered LVM just one logical
+</I>&gt;<i> disk and I think the average user would eventually have the same problem as
+</I>&gt;<i> well. I think moving to LVM as the default will create too many complaints
+</I>&gt;<i> and support requests in the end.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A long time ago I had a system with 6 SCSI disks, each 1.2GB. The system
+</I>&gt;<i> was fairly useless with the single disks, but using LVM I had 1 disk of
+</I>&gt;<i> reasonable size. I ran the system for about a year with no problems, but
+</I>&gt;<i> then 1 of the disks failed. Normally this would be a medium inconvenience,
+</I>&gt;<i> because I would just have to restore the files from that one drive to
+</I>&gt;<i> another drive. However, with the LVM,
+</I>
+... or RAID0 ...
+
+&gt;<i> I lost the ability to read the entire
+</I>&gt;<i> LVM.
+</I>
+VG.
+
+&gt;<i> I had to restore the entire system, which was a much bigger pain. I
+</I>&gt;<i> also could not obtain a disk of the same small size for a reasonable price,
+</I>&gt;<i> which I was told would make the problem even bigger.
+</I>
+Irrelevant for LVM. Only partly relevant for RAID0.
+
+&gt;<i> If I had used some redundancy, then I might have been able to restore the
+</I>&gt;<i> one disk, but I was a novice user and didn't understand the need. I think
+</I>&gt;<i> that most users who use the defaults and probably novice users, or at least
+</I>&gt;<i> will be after Mageia takes off. I think LVM support is a must, but I think
+</I>&gt;<i> making it the default, without also making some redundancy the default,
+</I>&gt;<i> will cause more problems than it solves.
+</I>
+For single-disk systems, there is no difference.
+
+For multi-disk systems, whether it would have been any different depends on
+whether you had a single VG or multiple VGs.
+
+But, by the time you talk about 6 disks, we're not talking about a default
+anymore.
+
+Regards,
+Buchan
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+<PRE>On Monday, 21 February 2011 14:19:23 Michael Scherer wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 21 f&#233;vrier 2011 &#224; 10:56 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Another part of the discussion may be the fact that a large number of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; users are running dual (or multiple) boot systems, keeping the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; pre-installed Windows and adding Linux. Others will have Windows and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mandriva, adding Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; While LVM may be nice if you are running one OS on one harddisk, it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; may be not so easy when running 3 OS on one harddisk. Or different
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; installations of the same Linux (like stable version and cauldron).
+</I>
+IMHO, it is *easier* to run multiple distributions on one machine with LVM, as
+you don't have the problem of having to statically pre-assign partitions to
+different distributions, and then have to image one filesystem to enlarge the
+filesystem before it, shrink the one after it, and put it back ...
+
+The only complication is where to put bootloaders, multiple distros sharing
+/boot is not great, so I just make a few small boot partitions before my PVs.
+
+&gt;<i> I do run lvm on Fedora and mac os x without any trouble. Windows
+</I>
+out-the-box
+
+&gt;<i> will
+</I>&gt;<i> not support any linux file system more than lvm,
+</I>
+There are third-party drivers/software for accessing ext2/ext3 partitions
+under Windows, even LUKS+ext2/ext3. But, on LVM, I don't think there are any
+options.
+
+&gt;<i> and the same goes for
+</I>&gt;<i> os x.
+</I>
+I thought Mac OS X had ext2/ext3 read support?
+
+&gt;<i> For a linux system, a lvm logical volume is just another disk.
+</I>
+That's a bit of an over-simplification. Hot-plugged LVM systems (I have a
+2*2TB external disk enclosure, running in &quot;SAFE50&quot; mode, AKA half RAID0, half
+RAID1, RAID1 is a PV in a separate VG) don't auto-mount like hot-plugged non-
+LVM disks, rescue still have problems activating VGs until recently (may still
+be present), kernel upgrades may still mess up root= parameter on LVM etc.
+etc.
+
+I have been using LVM with online resizing in diskdrake since about Mandrake
+8.2 (with XFS), and I think for users without non-Linux installations, it
+should be made more prominent or the default ... but only when all the
+remaining issues are addressed.
+
+Regards,
+Buchan
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+<PRE>On Monday, 21 February 2011 11:49:27 Thomas Lottmann wrote:
+&gt;<i> I am still not convinced of how easy this can be. For having attempted
+</I>&gt;<i> to manage (and learn) how to manage LVM partitons with CentOS, it is
+</I>&gt;<i> quite complicated. So it certainly has many advantages, but I'm awaiting
+</I>&gt;<i> an intuitive disk manager like Diskdrake to manage this stuff without
+</I>&gt;<i> the need of preliminary knowledge.
+</I>
+Yes, with diskdrake, it's no problem. Anaconda's LVM interface is quite
+confusing and complex. After installation, AFAIK, you can't access the same
+interface. system-config-lvm (if it's still around) was also pretty unusable.
+
+But, we have diskdrake, so why are the problems of CentOS an issue?
+
+Regards,
+Buchan
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+ <B>Michael Scherer</B>
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+<PRE>Le lundi 21 f&#233;vrier 2011 &#224; 22:48 +0200, Buchan Milne a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Monday, 21 February 2011 14:19:23 Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>
+&gt;<i> &gt; and the same goes for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; os x.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I thought Mac OS X had ext2/ext3 read support?
+</I>
+Not on my version ( or it didn't work out of the box ).
+
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+
+<LI><A HREF="002706.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002722.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002700.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002716.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002724.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002721.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002719.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002695.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002718.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002704.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002725.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002726.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002727.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002711.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002714.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002715.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002720.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002697.html">[Mageia-dev] Text (log) attachment to bugzilla
+</A><A NAME="2697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002699.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002702.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002712.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002728.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002707.html">[Mageia-dev] [599] Only check deps for packages buildable on x86_64
+</A><A NAME="2707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002708.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002701.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002694.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002705.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002709.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002710.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002717.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002723.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002698.html">[Mageia-dev] [599] Only check deps for packages buildable on x86_64
+</A><A NAME="2698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002703.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002696.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>genomega
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002713.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
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+
+<LI><A HREF="002694.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002695.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002696.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>genomega
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002697.html">[Mageia-dev] Text (log) attachment to bugzilla
+</A><A NAME="2697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002698.html">[Mageia-dev] [599] Only check deps for packages buildable on x86_64
+</A><A NAME="2698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002699.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002700.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002701.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002702.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002703.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002704.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002705.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002706.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002707.html">[Mageia-dev] [599] Only check deps for packages buildable on x86_64
+</A><A NAME="2707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002708.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002709.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002710.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002711.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002712.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002713.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002714.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002715.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002716.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002717.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002718.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002719.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002720.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002721.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002722.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002723.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002724.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002725.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002726.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002727.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002728.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
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+
+<LI><A HREF="002698.html">[Mageia-dev] [599] Only check deps for packages buildable on x86_64
+</A><A NAME="2698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002707.html">[Mageia-dev] [599] Only check deps for packages buildable on x86_64
+</A><A NAME="2707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002694.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002695.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002699.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002708.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002710.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002711.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002717.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002718.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002696.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>genomega
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002721.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002722.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002723.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002697.html">[Mageia-dev] Text (log) attachment to bugzilla
+</A><A NAME="2697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002700.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002701.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002702.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002703.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002704.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002705.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002706.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002709.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002712.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002713.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002714.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002715.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002716.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002719.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002720.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002724.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002725.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002726.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002727.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002728.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Mon Feb 21 23:44:30 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Feb 21 23:44:33 CET 2011</i>
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+ <h1>21 February 2011 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
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+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
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+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Feb 21 00:23:30 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Feb 21 23:44:30 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 35<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01298244210- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002694.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01298244210-01298245928- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002695.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01298244210-01298245928-01298274370- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002699.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01298244210-01298245928-01298274370-01298298378- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002718.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01298244210-01298245928-01298286636- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002708.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01298244210-01298245928-01298286636-01298288600- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002710.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01298244210-01298245928-01298286636-01298288600-01298288758- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002711.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01298244210-01298245928-01298286636-01298288600-01298288758-01298297851- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002717.html">[Mageia-dev] please keep note of missing dependancies
+</A><A NAME="2717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01298246785- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002696.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>genomega
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01298251997- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002697.html">[Mageia-dev] Text (log) attachment to bugzilla
+</A><A NAME="2697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01298273022- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002698.html">[Mageia-dev] [599] Only check deps for packages buildable on x86_64
+</A><A NAME="2698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01298273022-01298286499- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002707.html">[Mageia-dev] [599] Only check deps for packages buildable on x86_64
+</A><A NAME="2707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01298274691- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002700.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01298274691-01298279420- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002701.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01298274691-01298279969- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002702.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01298274691-01298280975- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002703.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01298274691-01298280975-01298281767- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002704.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01298274691-01298280975-01298281767-01298282183- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002706.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01298274691-01298280975-01298281767-01298282183-01298288494- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002709.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01298274691-01298280975-01298281767-01298282183-01298288494-01298293911- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002715.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01298274691-01298280975-01298281767-01298282183-01298288494-01298294773- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002716.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01298274691-01298280975-01298281767-01298282183-01298290763- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002712.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01298274691-01298280975-01298281767-01298282183-01298290763-01298291972- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002713.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01298274691-01298280975-01298281767-01298282183-01298290763-01298299941- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002719.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01298274691-01298280975-01298281767-01298282183-01298290763-01298299941-01298307382- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002720.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01298274691-01298280975-01298281767-01298282183-01298290763-01298299941-01298307382-01298315725- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002724.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01298274691-01298280975-01298281767-01298282183-01298290763-01298299941-01298307382-01298320687- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002725.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01298274691-01298280975-01298281767-01298282183-01298290763-01298321336- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002726.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01298274691-01298280975-01298281767-01298282183-01298290763-01298321336-01298328270- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002728.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01298274691-01298280975-01298281767-01298321459- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002727.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01298274691-01298280975-01298281808- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002705.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01298274691-01298280975-01298293766- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002714.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?
+</A><A NAME="2714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01298310167- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002721.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01298310167-01298310742- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002722.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01298310167-01298311552- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002723.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Mon Feb 21 23:44:30 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Feb 21 23:44:33 CET 2011</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
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