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The "Going +Forward" section in particular starts with this quote: + +"/usr on its own filesystem is useful in some custom setups. But instead +of expecting the traditional Unix way to (sometimes mindlessly) +distributing tools between /usr and /, and require more and more tools +to move to /, we now just expect /usr to be pre-mounted from inside the +initramfs, to be available before 'init' starts." + +>><i> For simple installs, such as on my laptop or typical "desktop" linux, +</I>>><i> then having separate / and /usr is something I've specifically avoided +</I>>><i> for just about ever (I sometimes have separate /boot for "complicated +</I>>><i> rootfs" reasons and I almost always have a separate /home, but other +</I>>><i> than that, I like to keep my desktops/laptops simple). In other words +</I>>><i> there just are not sufficient benefits in doing this. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, +</I>><i> I agree for the desktop/laptop/pad/ use there is no need for splitting +</I>><i> besides /home and maybe separate /boot if you want to use encryption. +</I> +Nod + +>><i> But on the server, especially on a farm of servers with a potentially +</I>>><i> shared /usr across several machines, then yes, keeping it as something +</I>>><i> that can be mounted by the initramfs is perfectly feasible. This is a +</I>>><i> specific use case that Lennart + Co are trying to design for. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Ok, this is exactly the part that have raised my concerns that it was +</I>><i> about to be "forgotten" in favour of "simplicity". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Server installs usually want to be more "free" to finetune. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Another use case is to be able to split up the system on more harddisks +</I>><i> to even the load on the disks. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And yet another is simply to get more space depending on hw. +</I>><i> (yes I know lvm exists but it's also an extra layer / point of failure +</I>><i> that is not always worth it) +</I> +Totally agree about LVM (and to a lesser degree the RAID layer)... I'm +looking forward to btrfs which merges in the RAID layers and (I think - +I've not fully read up on it) the LVM functionality too. + +Currently, I've found performance really takes a hit with my RAID+LVM +setups... 40M/s write speeds where as just plain RAID was getting closer +to 160M/s... this is likely in part due to 4k sector sizes too of +course. But I digress! + +><i> But if this part is the "some specific usecases" then I guess I need to +</I>><i> start re-reading some stuff :) +</I> +:<i>) +</I> +Col + +-- + +Colin Guthrie +colin(at)mageia.org +<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A> + +Day Job: + Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A> +Open Source: + Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A> + PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A> + Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A> +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="009246.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="009245.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#9249">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#9249">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#9249">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#9249">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |