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Init should not care about more +</I>>>>><i> than getting disc access (and probably network for pxe boots) +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> That's the point that Lennart make, ie : +</I>>>><i> "we used to have / to mount all partition and /usr to be mounted, now, +</I>>>><i> we have initramfs to mount /, and then / to mount /usr, so it would be +</I>>>><i> simpler to merge / and /usr" +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> -ENOTCONVINCED +</I>><i> +</I>><i> :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Just have initramfs mount / and /usr, no need to merge. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, this is exactly what is intended, but it depends on the use case: +</I>><i> +</I> +Then I have misread something somewhere along the way... :/ + +><i> For simple installs, such as on my laptop or typical "desktop" linux, +</I>><i> then having separate / and /usr is something I've specifically avoided +</I>><i> for just about ever (I sometimes have separate /boot for "complicated +</I>><i> rootfs" reasons and I almost always have a separate /home, but other +</I>><i> than that, I like to keep my desktops/laptops simple). In other words +</I>><i> there just are not sufficient benefits in doing this. +</I> +Yes, +I agree for the desktop/laptop/pad/ use there is no need for splitting +besides /home and maybe separate /boot if you want to use encryption. + +><i> +</I>><i> But on the server, especially on a farm of servers with a potentially +</I>><i> shared /usr across several machines, then yes, keeping it as something +</I>><i> that can be mounted by the initramfs is perfectly feasible. This is a +</I>><i> specific use case that Lennart + Co are trying to design for. +</I>><i> +</I> +Ok, this is exactly the part that have raised my concerns that it was +about to be "forgotten" in favour of "simplicity". + +Server installs usually want to be more "free" to finetune. + +Another use case is to be able to split up the system on more harddisks +to even the load on the disks. + +And yet another is simply to get more space depending on hw. +(yes I know lvm exists but it's also an extra layer / point of failure + that is not always worth it) + +But if this part is the "some specific usecases" then I guess I need to +start re-reading some stuff :) + +-- +Thomas + +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="009244.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="009249.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#9246">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#9246">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#9246">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#9246">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |