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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 31/10/11 17:06 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Michael Scherer skrev 31.10.2011 18:07:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le dimanche 30 octobre 2011 &#224; 14:19 +0200, Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm saying moving the stuff that is _really_ needed, not based on &quot;udev
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> might run&quot;...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> well, thinking some more on it I guess the real design flaw (not systemd
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> specific) is using all of udev in init. Init should not care about more
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> than getting disc access (and probably network for pxe boots)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's the point that Lennart make, ie :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;we used to have / to mount all partition and /usr to be mounted, now,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we have initramfs to mount /, and then / to mount /usr, so it would be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> simpler to merge / and /usr&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -ENOTCONVINCED
+</I>
+:<i>)
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> Just have initramfs mount / and /usr, no need to merge.
+</I>
+Yes, this is exactly what is intended, but it depends on the use case:
+
+For simple installs, such as on my laptop or typical &quot;desktop&quot; linux,
+then having separate / and /usr is something I've specifically avoided
+for just about ever (I sometimes have separate /boot for &quot;complicated
+rootfs&quot; reasons and I almost always have a separate /home, but other
+than that, I like to keep my desktops/laptops simple). In other words
+there just are not sufficient benefits in doing this.
+
+But on the server, especially on a farm of servers with a potentially
+shared /usr across several machines, then yes, keeping it as something
+that can be mounted by the initramfs is perfectly feasible. This is a
+specific use case that Lennart + Co are trying to design for.
+
+Col
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