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Init should not care about more +</I>><i> >> than getting disc access (and probably network for pxe boots) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > That's the point that Lennart make, ie : +</I>><i> > "we used to have / to mount all partition and /usr to be mounted, now, +</I>><i> > we have initramfs to mount /, and then / to mount /usr, so it would be +</I>><i> > simpler to merge / and /usr" +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -ENOTCONVINCED +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So why merge / and /usr and kill a usable feature? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Just have initramfs mount / and /usr, no need to merge. +</I> +What is the usable feature ? + +To be able to put some kind of quota on /usr ? + +To be able to use a different fs for / and /usr ? + + +><i> +</I>><i> >> Then we wouldn't have to worry about "what udev might run" and could +</I>><i> >> keep a very clean / +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >>>> Well, it _is_ idiotic if it breaks working setups / possibilities to +</I>><i> >>>> finetune systems. +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>> It depends on your definition of "working". Sure if you specifically +</I>><i> >>> work around the know limitations of the design then you may get a +</I>><i> >>> bootable system, which you could classify as working, but I wouldn't say +</I>><i> >>> this is a robust base. Just a house of cards waiting for the next +</I>><i> >>> failure. I'd rather try and address the problems properly and be frank +</I>><i> >>> about it in the discussions. +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Well, it has worked 24/7 for servers for atleast last 15 years for +</I>><i> >> servers I maintain, so I'd say that is pretty robust. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > That's also what people say about manually compiling software in +</I>><i> > solaris, and I think they are wrong, so that's not really a compeling +</I>><i> > argument to my eyes. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yeah, well that's your opinion. +</I> +That's also yours, or you would be using solaris or slackware instead of +doing packages. + + +><i> > In fact "using packages prevent me from finetuning my software" is also +</I>><i> > a common and recuring theme from the same people ( well, slightly less +</I>><i> > recuring nowadays as I didn't meet people telling me so since gentoo and +</I>><i> > slackware usage slightly dropped ). +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > We have unix server since 1970, that doesn't mean the assumption that +</I>><i> > lead to some design decision are not open to be revisited. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I dont mind people revisiting design decisions, but breaking working +</I>><i> setups sucks bigtime. +</I> +So basically, you want fix that just change nothing ? + +><i> But I guess that's the development trend nowdays: "I cant be bothered to +</I>><i> fix things properly so I just call it "depreceated"... and go ahead +</I>><i> and break things just as I like" +</I> +Well, what do you propose to fix this properly ? + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="009242.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="009244.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#9243">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#9243">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#9243">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#9243">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |