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Init should not care about more +</I>>><i> than getting disc access (and probably network for pxe boots) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's the point that Lennart make, ie : +</I>><i> "we used to have / to mount all partition and /usr to be mounted, now, +</I>><i> we have initramfs to mount /, and then / to mount /usr, so it would be +</I>><i> simpler to merge / and /usr" +</I>><i> +</I> +-ENOTCONVINCED + +So why merge / and /usr and kill a usable feature? + +Just have initramfs mount / and /usr, no need to merge. + + +><i> So that's simple. For stuff needed for initial boot, we have initrd, for +</I>><i> the rest, that's /usr/ +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg158642.html">http://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg158642.html</A> +</I>><i> +</I> +-ESTILLNOTCONVINCED + + +>><i> Then we wouldn't have to worry about "what udev might run" and could +</I>>><i> keep a very clean / +</I>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Well, it _is_ idiotic if it breaks working setups / possibilities to +</I>>>>><i> finetune systems. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> It depends on your definition of "working". Sure if you specifically +</I>>>><i> work around the know limitations of the design then you may get a +</I>>>><i> bootable system, which you could classify as working, but I wouldn't say +</I>>>><i> this is a robust base. Just a house of cards waiting for the next +</I>>>><i> failure. I'd rather try and address the problems properly and be frank +</I>>>><i> about it in the discussions. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Well, it has worked 24/7 for servers for atleast last 15 years for +</I>>><i> servers I maintain, so I'd say that is pretty robust. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's also what people say about manually compiling software in +</I>><i> solaris, and I think they are wrong, so that's not really a compeling +</I>><i> argument to my eyes. +</I> +Yeah, well that's your opinion. + +><i> In fact "using packages prevent me from finetuning my software" is also +</I>><i> a common and recuring theme from the same people ( well, slightly less +</I>><i> recuring nowadays as I didn't meet people telling me so since gentoo and +</I>><i> slackware usage slightly dropped ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We have unix server since 1970, that doesn't mean the assumption that +</I>><i> lead to some design decision are not open to be revisited. +</I> +I dont mind people revisiting design decisions, but breaking working +setups sucks bigtime. + +But I guess that's the development trend nowdays: "I cant be bothered to +fix things properly so I just call it "depreceated"... and go ahead +and break things just as I like" + +Oh well, I guess it's time to start blacklisting some rpms to ensure +things keep working as they are intended. + +-- +Thomas +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="009239.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="009243.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#9242">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#9242">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#9242">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#9242">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |