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I've asked e17 team, +</I>><i> >>>> and they answered me that E17 is "rolling release". So no +</I>><i> >>>> stable release (or vert vert few). +</I>><i> >>>> +</I>><i> >>>> +</I>><i> >>>> I propose to package svn version, so we could be up-to-date. +</I>><i> >>>> If a problem occurs, we could report it to upstream. +</I>><i> >>>> +</I>><i> >>>> +</I>><i> >>>> +</I>><i> >>>> What do you think about doing it on all E17 package ? +</I>><i> >>> How will it go for stable support ? +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>> IE, once mageia 2 is out ? +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >> We have better chances for bugfixes, don't think the snapshots which +</I>><i> >> we used till now ( nearly one year old and also only based on +</I>><i> >> the development release) will get some love anymore. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> For security issues, there were none that i'm aware of except for imlib2. +</I>><i> > There is at least one that I found and reported 2 times ( albeit not using the +</I>><i> > public bugtracker ) that didn't get corrected, just look +</I>><i> > at <A HREF="http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/elementary/src/lib/elm_map.c">http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/elementary/src/lib/elm_map.c</A> +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > ( a little help : the issue is in the first 25 lines ) +</I>><i> You reported it two times. And as you happen to know the problem, +</I>><i> may i ask where the fix is? +</I> +Ask to the e17 developpers. I reported it a 3rd time today on irc, +because there is no other way to report issues ( ie, I cannot find any +link to register on trac ). And while the fix is IMHO easy, I didn't +cared much because the 2nd time should have been the good one. + +Now, let me repeat the question, because it was not answered, how do you +plan to take care of e17, wether we update the snapshot or not ? + +e17 is typically the type of package where someone say "it sound great, +let's package it", and he does the job, and he update for each svn +snapshot, and get bored, and drop it. It already happened a few time at +Mandriva, and since it was in contribs, no one cared about stability or +security. + +We do care, hence the question. + + +><i> Also may i remind you that elementary is also +</I>><i> contained in Mageia 1 and also contains the issue you mentioned? +</I>><i> How is that better for quality or security? +</I> +Then if there is no proper way to support and unless someone has a +better idea, we should drop it. + +><i> >> But if you argument this way, we should stay with the packages we have +</I>><i> >> until E17 is fully stable and release, but i don't see how this would be better. +</I>><i> > We cannot at the same time say +</I>><i> > "we offer quality package and take care of fixing them" and at the same time, +</I>><i> > just say that we won't. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> We want to be nearer to upstream to improve package quality. +</I> +So shipping svn snapshot is package quality ? +Never wondered why the only distributions to ship e17 officially are +also those that have no commitment to a stable version ( ie rolling +release ) ? + +><i> Who said we don't want to offer quality E17 packages and don't support them? +</I> +Ok so explain to me how to take care of the upgrade on stable release. +And updating to a newer svn snapshot is already painful for firefox, so +I doubt it will be better if we do that for 15 rpms. + +><i> If keeping old releases unchanged from distro to distro version is +</I>><i> your vision of improving quality and more satisfying for our end-users, +</I>><i> that's not my vision, sorry. +</I> +Then we should simply remove e17 altogether. Because, by choice of the +developpers, it is not stable enough to be packaged. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="009130.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="009136.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#9132">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#9132">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#9132">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#9132">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |