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+ <B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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+<PRE>Op vrijdag 30 september 2011 23:35:40 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 29 septembre 2011 21:10:42, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le jeudi 29 septembre 2011 20:55:43, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Am 29.09.2011 14:13, schrieb Olav Vitters:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:24:56AM +0200, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; backports_testing, but it means that we would lose the current
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; checking that updates come from the 1/updates branch)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Long term I prefer more checks because I do make mistakes. But maybe
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; lax as a temporary (&quot;a few weeks&quot;) solution until it uses the SQL
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; database?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Well, is it really that necessary for a matter of some weeks to speed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; up backports opening? Shouldn't we care first that sustainability of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Mageia is ensured first?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; It's not like backports candidates will lessen workload on QA, rather
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; the opposite. That's my personal opinion.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Some genuine user needs can only be covered by backports per our policy,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I don't see why we should wait more (already 4 months since the release
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of Mageia 1). QA team already said it's ready to test backports, and if
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; we have difficulty we simply will find means to get more testers. Also,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; updates will still remain the priority.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Opening backports media does not mean that we will start backporting
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; everything. But a policy has been chosen, after a loooooooooong debate,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and there seems to be a simple way to open those media to package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; submitting.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Also, the sooner we have backports, the less there will be external
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; third- party repos with all the problems (upgrade, support) that causes.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; There already are, don't let them too much space and rather invite their
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packagers to backport *inside* (as long as they stay within the policy
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of course).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; About Mageia's sustainability, we already are working to that (QA team is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; operational, package adoption campaign is undergoing...), and having
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; backports media won't prevent us from continuing.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Also, the &quot;few weeks&quot; is a really vague estimation, my guess is it risks
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to be rather months because sysadmins seem to have a big TODO list a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; little resources. That's why I'm proposing 2 &quot;technically simple&quot; ways
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to move forward.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If needed, the tremendous amount of packages in Blogdrake's 3rd party media
+</I>&gt;<i> shows how much backports are needed by users, whatever we as packagers can
+</I>&gt;<i> think of it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm still convinced that opening backports right now, using one of my 2
+</I>&gt;<i> proposals (if I haven't overlooked a technical difficulty), would be an
+</I>&gt;<i> important step forward for us.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>
+I have to agree, if opening backports brings in more packagers who are likely
+to integrate well AND bring in more users AND likely would step up and
+maintain similar packages, we should help their effort and not get our
+community too splintered, even though updates _is_ more important than
+backports.
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+<PRE>Olivier Blin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> JA Magallon&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have several boxes running Cauldron and some of them go suspend
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (or hiberante, I don't know) after some time, so I can't access them
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from the network.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The curious thing is that only suspend the boxes that are running gdm,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> some gui-less servers just keep awake perfectly.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So I suspect this is a problem with gdm's own settings.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> How can I disable suspend/hibernate completely ? How can I check if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gdm is the culprit ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Actually, that was gnome-settings-daemon, and it was affecting both
+</I>&gt;<i> login screen and user sessions...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've just submitted a fix (from upstream git).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That was a very nasty bug for an official Gnome release :-(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Couldn't agree more
+There are still problems keeping some settings
+(keyboard, showing userid's on login according to msec config)
+But at least most are fixed :)
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 22 septembre 2011 14:35:55, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le jeudi 15 septembre 2011 16:12:11, Thierry Vignaud a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Suggestions:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>[...]
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - patch perl-URPM so that foobar-X-Ymga is always newer than
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> foobar-Z-Wmdv
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm sorry, but I don't understand what problems this third option would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> solve. Can you explain to me (and maybe I'm not alone) ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It looks like my question has been forgotten among the daily flow of messages,
+</I>&gt;<i> but I'm still interested by the answer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I've wondered about this a fair bit myself.
+I think the thought was that if everything from mdv2010.1/2 was replaced
+by packages from mga1, then everything should work.
+However, a lot of packages from mdv2010.1 didn't make it to mga1, so on
+reflection, I would say that this option could well increase the
+likelihood of problems.
+Particularly things like missing/ differently configured drivers,
+packages that depend on particular versions of other packages, etc.
+
+Of course, I'm only speculating ... :)
+
+&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>--
+Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>on Sat, 1 Oct 2011 08:05
+in the Usenet newsgroup gmane.linux.mageia.devel
+Maarten Vanraes wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 30 september 2011 23:35:40 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le jeudi 29 septembre 2011 21:10:42, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>[snip]
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Also, the sooner we have backports, the less there will be external
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; third- party repos with all the problems (upgrade, support) that causes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; There already are, don't let them too much space and rather invite their
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; packagers to backport *inside* (as long as they stay within the policy
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; of course).
+</I>[snip]
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> If needed, the tremendous amount of packages in Blogdrake's 3rd party media
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> shows how much backports are needed by users, whatever we as packagers can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> think of it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm still convinced that opening backports right now, using one of my 2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> proposals (if I haven't overlooked a technical difficulty), would be an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> important step forward for us.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have to agree, if opening backports brings in more packagers who are likely
+</I>&gt;<i> to integrate well AND bring in more users AND likely would step up and
+</I>&gt;<i> maintain similar packages, we should help their effort and not get our
+</I>&gt;<i> community too splintered, even though updates _is_ more important than
+</I>&gt;<i> backports.
+</I>
+Potentially silly idea:
+
+Would it be worth having backports-supported and backports-unsupported,
+or backports and backports-untested, or backports and backports-3rd-party?
+
+You could occasionally move things in either direction between
+supported and unsupported.
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+&gt;<i> Can't we use this signal?
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://webkitgtk.org/reference/webkitgtk-webkitwebview.html#WebKitWebView-close-web-view">http://webkitgtk.org/reference/webkitgtk-webkitwebview.html#WebKitWebView-close-web-view</A>
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+No, this signal is only available if the allowScriptsToCloseWindows
+setting is true, or in some special cases.
+
+I've rediffed the patch in SVN.
+
+Anyway, it seems that drakhelp does not start: missing ctxhelp.pm,
+should be from doc package, but we have none...
+And it seems we don't have the first time wizard either.
+
+&gt;<i> 2011/9/13, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 11 September 2011 03:36, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 1:1.5.2-3.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 142265
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - rebuild for new libpng
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - really split typelib
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - New version 1.5.2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - temporary disable closewindow patch, huge rediff required
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> expect breakage in ftw, drakx's help dialogs, ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yep, you shouldn't have pushed this update before3B rediffing and testing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this patch. Now DrakX dialogs using WebKit will be unclosable using the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Gtk buttons.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Olivier Blin - blino
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> Potentially silly idea:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would it be worth having backports-supported and backports-unsupported,
+</I>&gt;<i> or backports and backports-untested, or backports and backports-3rd-party?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You could occasionally move things in either direction between
+</I>&gt;<i> supported and unsupported.
+</I>
+afaik it was decided to go ahead, atm i think there are technical difficulties
+for sysadmin team to implement this...
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+&gt;<i> Actually, that was gnome-settings-daemon, and it was affecting both
+</I>&gt;<i> login screen and user sessions...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've just submitted a fix (from upstream git).
+</I>
+My package could not be submitted because of the
+module-init-tools/ldetect issues...
+
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+<PRE>Le samedi 1 octobre 2011 00:57:35, blind Pete a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> on Sat, 1 Oct 2011 08:05
+</I>&gt;<i> in the Usenet newsgroup gmane.linux.mageia.devel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op vrijdag 30 september 2011 23:35:40 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Le jeudi 29 septembre 2011 21:10:42, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> [snip]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Also, the sooner we have backports, the less there will be external
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; third- party repos with all the problems (upgrade, support) that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; causes. There already are, don't let them too much space and rather
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; invite their packagers to backport *inside* (as long as they stay
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; within the policy of course).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [snip]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; If needed, the tremendous amount of packages in Blogdrake's 3rd party
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; media shows how much backports are needed by users, whatever we as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; packagers can think of it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I'm still convinced that opening backports right now, using one of my 2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; proposals (if I haven't overlooked a technical difficulty), would be an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; important step forward for us.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have to agree, if opening backports brings in more packagers who are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; likely to integrate well AND bring in more users AND likely would step
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; up and maintain similar packages, we should help their effort and not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; get our community too splintered, even though updates _is_ more
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; important than backports.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Potentially silly idea:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would it be worth having backports-supported and backports-unsupported,
+</I>&gt;<i> or backports and backports-untested, or backports and backports-3rd-party?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You could occasionally move things in either direction between
+</I>&gt;<i> supported and unsupported.
+</I>
+You already have them: backports and backports_testing. backports is
+supported, backports_testing isn't (equivalent to your backports-untested).
+However, packages sent to backports_testing must respect the backports policy,
+which is a difference with 3rd party media where we don't know what policy is
+applied.
+
+Best regards
+
+Samuel Verschelde
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+<PRE>Maybe we should use perl-gobject-introspection rather than perl modules?
+
+2011/10/1, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can't we use this signal?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://webkitgtk.org/reference/webkitgtk-webkitwebview.html#WebKitWebView-close-web-view">http://webkitgtk.org/reference/webkitgtk-webkitwebview.html#WebKitWebView-close-web-view</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, this signal is only available if the allowScriptsToCloseWindows
+</I>&gt;<i> setting is true, or in some special cases.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've rediffed the patch in SVN.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyway, it seems that drakhelp does not start: missing ctxhelp.pm,
+</I>&gt;<i> should be from doc package, but we have none...
+</I>&gt;<i> And it seems we don't have the first time wizard either.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/9/13, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 11 September 2011 03:36, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 1:1.5.2-3.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 142265
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - rebuild for new libpng
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - really split typelib
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - New version 1.5.2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - temporary disable closewindow patch, huge rediff required
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> expect breakage in ftw, drakx's help dialogs, ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yep, you shouldn't have pushed this update before3B rediffing and testing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this patch. Now DrakX dialogs using WebKit will be unclosable using the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Gtk buttons.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Olivier Blin - blino
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier Blin - blino
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+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe a stupid question, but why did you remove the libxft-devel BR, which
+</I>&gt;<i> from the package README brings more features when present at configure stage
+</I>&gt;<i> ?
+</I>That is what the maintainer should do. I'm just cleanup X11-devel
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+<PRE>Le samedi 1 octobre 2011 01:55:55, Funda Wang a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> &gt; 2011/9/29, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe a stupid question, but why did you remove the libxft-devel BR,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; which from the package README brings more features when present at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; configure stage ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That is what the maintainer should do. I'm just cleanup X11-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> which should be dropped indeed.
+</I>
+Pardon my low packaging skills, but I still don't understand: would the
+libxft-devel BR be useless for this package, or did you remove too much BRs
+during the cleanup (in which case I'll just add it back)?
+
+Best regards
+
+Samuel
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+In bugzilla, many bugs were wainting for package to have maintainers. No the
+triage team is going to assign bug requests to the package maintainer, only
+way to avoid those bugs sitting forever in untriaged state.
+
+It doesn't mean that the maintainer is the only person able to fix the bugs, so
+feel free to help maintainers for any bugfix or enhancement request. However,
+the maintainer is responsible for the package, so having bugs assigned to
+him/her means that the maintainer manages a pool of bug reports and must try
+to have them fixed :
+- by himself/herself
+- by someone else (ask to a fellow packager, to an apprentice, to mageia-dev
+ML...)
+
+Being the Assignee of the bug means you are the person who cares about it, and
+tries to find ways to make the bug fixed.
+
+Bugs and enhancement requests to mageia-specific tools (our version of urpmi,
+of the drakxtools, etc.) are a special case because we are the upstream, so
+there's a likelyhood that their bug report count will be higher than many
+other packages (&quot;distro&quot; bugs + &quot;developer&quot; bugs). Maybe we should treat them
+in a different way, but I don't know how for now.
+
+Once all the bugs against packages that have maintainers have been triaged,
+then we will have a better picture and will be able to think of improvements
+to the way bug reports are handled.
+
+Best regards
+
+Samuel Verschelde
+by derogation from Triage team :)
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+<PRE>2011/9/30 Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Does pm-utils really need to require bootloader-utils to work ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Currently it's pulling by recursive dependency ldetect which is currently
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> broken due to the new modules-init-tools (i guess tv is working on it already
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from the changelog )
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe we can break this requires (so it would allow several packages requering
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> eventually pm-utils) to work/install
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nope, rebootin from bootloader-utils is required for
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/pm-utils/sleep.d/01bootloader
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Ok.
+So i hope we'll get a fix for ldetect (which might be not easy as i
+wrote :p ) soon for it since pm-utils can't be installed currently (&amp;
+then packages which requires pm-utils such as kde :p)
+
+--
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+&gt;<i> Le samedi 1 octobre 2011 01:55:55, Funda Wang a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; 2011/9/29, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe a stupid question, but why did you remove the libxft-devel BR,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; which from the package README brings more features when present at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; configure stage ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That is what the maintainer should do. I'm just cleanup X11-devel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which should be dropped indeed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Pardon my low packaging skills, but I still don't understand: would the
+</I>&gt;<i> libxft-devel BR be useless for this package, or did you remove too much BRs
+</I>&gt;<i> during the cleanup (in which case I'll just add it back)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>All he did was removing the X11-devel BR and probably removed wrongly
+libxft-devel here, however from his point of view that's maintainer's
+job to fix this missing BR so you can add it back.
+
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+<PRE>OK. I've checked the dep of zoom in Mageia1. There is no libxft binary deps
+also. So, libxft BR is useless from my POV of cleaning X11-devel.
+&#22312; 2011-10-1 &#19978;&#21320;9:59&#65292;&quot;John Balcaen&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;&#20889;&#36947;&#65306;
+&gt;<i> 2011/9/30 Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le samedi 1 octobre 2011 01:55:55, Funda Wang a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; 2011/9/29, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe a stupid question, but why did you remove the libxft-devel BR,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; which from the package README brings more features when present at
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; configure stage ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That is what the maintainer should do. I'm just cleanup X11-devel
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> which should be dropped indeed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Pardon my low packaging skills, but I still don't understand: would the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libxft-devel BR be useless for this package, or did you remove too much
+</I>BRs
+&gt;&gt;<i> during the cleanup (in which case I'll just add it back)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All he did was removing the X11-devel BR and probably removed wrongly
+</I>&gt;<i> libxft-devel here, however from his point of view that's maintainer's
+</I>&gt;<i> job to fix this missing BR so you can add it back.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Balcaen John
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+<PRE>On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 05:52:06PM +0200, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 30 septembre 2011 15:00:45, Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 09:33:59PM +0200, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; However, how great is GNOME 3.4 going to be as compared to 3.2.2 ? :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; For me it is multiple things:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1. More stable; The more people use a recent version of GNOME, more
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fixes will go into GNOME and long term GNOME is more stable
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Basically: if your GNOME version is old, developers spend less time
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; on it, because they assume the issue is probably fixed. So, IMO, to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ensure GNOME stays at a high quality, you have to provide a recent
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; version... staying 1 version behind only works for short term (the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;Release early, release often&quot; mindset).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Did I misunderstand , or is GNOME 3.2 not going to have any fixes after 3.2.2,
+</I>&gt;<i> although 3.4 will still not be ready at that time, leaving users with several
+</I>&gt;<i> months without any fixes ? I would understand that 3.2 would stop being
+</I>&gt;<i> supported a few months after 3.4 is out, but if really support stops *before*,
+</I>&gt;<i> that's puzzling :)
+</I>
+Nothing new, has been like this for various releases. We did use to do a
+.3 release, but it takes quite a lot of time to do that, and we didn't
+see the benefit. No distro also complained to GNOME for the lack of a .3
+release.
+
+Note that it only relates to whole of GNOME, if a maintainer wants to
+make another release, they're free to do so. Most do not though, but
+some do.
+
+&gt;<i> For small projects, I can understand that developers always want to you to use
+</I>&gt;<i> the latest (lastest stable version at least), but for bigger projects such as
+</I>&gt;<i> a DE, I would find it surprising. We all know that once a major version has
+</I>&gt;<i> been released, it will have users for years.
+</I>
+I think you're getting the intention wrong. GNOME 3.2 is a bugfix for
+3.0; 3.4 is a bugfix for 3.2. If distributions want to rely on an older
+version, that is nice, but as it is their choice.
+
+&gt;<i> When users report a bug in Mageia 1, we don't tell them &quot;use cauldron, it's
+</I>&gt;<i> fixed them&quot;: we try to fix it in Mageia 1.
+</I>
+GNOME is not a distribution. We cannot get any fix to the user. Always
+up to the distro. So as we cannot provide such a service anyway, a
+distribution has to do it. And they do sometimes cherrypick commits.
+--
+Regards,
+Olav
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+in the Usenet newsgroup gmane.linux.mageia.devel
+Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 1 octobre 2011 00:57:35, blind Pete a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on Sat, 1 Oct 2011 08:05
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in the Usenet newsgroup gmane.linux.mageia.devel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Op vrijdag 30 september 2011 23:35:40 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Le jeudi 29 septembre 2011 21:10:42, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [snip]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Also, the sooner we have backports, the less there will be external
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; third- party repos with all the problems (upgrade, support) that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; causes. There already are, don't let them too much space and rather
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; invite their packagers to backport *inside* (as long as they stay
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; within the policy of course).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [snip]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; If needed, the tremendous amount of packages in Blogdrake's 3rd party
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; media shows how much backports are needed by users, whatever we as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; packagers can think of it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I'm still convinced that opening backports right now, using one of my 2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; proposals (if I haven't overlooked a technical difficulty), would be an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; important step forward for us.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Best regards
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I have to agree, if opening backports brings in more packagers who are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; likely to integrate well AND bring in more users AND likely would step
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; up and maintain similar packages, we should help their effort and not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; get our community too splintered, even though updates _is_ more
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; important than backports.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Potentially silly idea:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Would it be worth having backports-supported and backports-unsupported,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or backports and backports-untested, or backports and backports-3rd-party?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You could occasionally move things in either direction between
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> supported and unsupported.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You already have them: backports and backports_testing. backports is
+</I>&gt;<i> supported, backports_testing isn't (equivalent to your backports-untested).
+</I>&gt;<i> However, packages sent to backports_testing must respect the backports policy,
+</I>&gt;<i> which is a difference with 3rd party media where we don't know what policy is
+</I>&gt;<i> applied.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+That makes sense.
+
+I imagine that it would be fairly easy to get stuff into
+Tainted Backports Testing.
+
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+<PRE>Olivier Blin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Olivier Blin&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Actually, that was gnome-settings-daemon, and it was affecting both
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> login screen and user sessions...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've just submitted a fix (from upstream git).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My package could not be submitted because of the
+</I>&gt;<i> module-init-tools/ldetect issues...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Another recent update has fixed a number of my problems with gnome,
+(such as not seeing alternate desktops on the login page),
+ so I hope yours fixes the rest :)
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+
+I just committed my first (minor) patch to a Mageia tool, here transfugdrake:
+
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/transfugdrake/trunk/transfugdrake?r1=2001&amp;r2=2000&amp;pathrev=2001">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/transfugdrake/trunk/transfugdrake?r1=2001&amp;r2=2000&amp;pathrev=2001</A>
+
+Now I'm wondering what the next steps are, and how to trigger them so that in
+the end the change reaches the distribution (translation, release, packaging).
+
+Can you enlighten me ?
+
+Best regards
+
+Samuel
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+<PRE>2011/10/1 Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just committed my first (minor) patch to a Mageia tool, here transfugdrake:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/transfugdrake/trunk/transfugdrake?r1=2001&amp;r2=2000&amp;pathrev=2001">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/transfugdrake/trunk/transfugdrake?r1=2001&amp;r2=2000&amp;pathrev=2001</A>
+</I>
+What if home directory is on NFS and located on an CentOS server ?
+
+IMHO you should avoid adding Mageia, especially if this tool may be
+used by others distribution ( like PCLO )
+
+--
+Close the World, Open the Net
+<A HREF="http://www.linux-wizard.net">http://www.linux-wizard.net</A>
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+<PRE>Le samedi 1 octobre 2011 10:36:34, Fabrice Facorat a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2011/10/1 Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I just committed my first (minor) patch to a Mageia tool, here
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; transfugdrake:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/transfugdrake/trunk/transfugdrake?r1=2001&amp;r">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/transfugdrake/trunk/transfugdrake?r1=2001&amp;r</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2=2000&amp;pathrev=2001
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What if home directory is on NFS and located on an CentOS server ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO you should avoid adding Mageia, especially if this tool may be
+</I>&gt;<i> used by others distribution ( like PCLO )
+</I>
+indeed, I shouldn't mention Mageia explicitly. I removed that word.
+
+Thanks for seeing it.
+
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+<PRE>On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 5:06 AM, Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 05:52:06PM +0200, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 30 septembre 2011 15:00:45, Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 09:33:59PM +0200, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; However, how great is GNOME 3.4 going to be as compared to 3.2.2 ? :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; For me it is multiple things:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; 1. More stable; The more people use a recent version of GNOME, more
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160;fixes will go into GNOME and long term GNOME is more stable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160;Basically: if your GNOME version is old, developers spend less time
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160;on it, because they assume the issue is probably fixed. So, IMO, to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160;ensure GNOME stays at a high quality, you have to provide a recent
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160;version... staying 1 version behind only works for short term (the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160;&quot;Release early, release often&quot; mindset).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Did I misunderstand , or is GNOME 3.2 not going to have any fixes after 3.2.2,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> although 3.4 will still not be ready at that time, leaving users with several
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> months without any fixes ? I would understand that 3.2 would stop being
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> supported a few months after 3.4 is out, but if really support stops *before*,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that's puzzling :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nothing new, has been like this for various releases. We did use to do a
+</I>&gt;<i> .3 release, but it takes quite a lot of time to do that, and we didn't
+</I>&gt;<i> see the benefit. No distro also complained to GNOME for the lack of a .3
+</I>&gt;<i> release.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Note that it only relates to whole of GNOME, if a maintainer wants to
+</I>&gt;<i> make another release, they're free to do so. Most do not though, but
+</I>&gt;<i> some do.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For small projects, I can understand that developers always want to you to use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the latest (lastest stable version at least), but for bigger projects such as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a DE, I would find it surprising. We all know that once a major version has
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> been released, it will have users for years.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think you're getting the intention wrong. GNOME 3.2 is a bugfix for
+</I>&gt;<i> 3.0; 3.4 is a bugfix for 3.2. If distributions want to rely on an older
+</I>&gt;<i> version, that is nice, but as it is their choice.
+</I>
+i think 3.4 would be a nice choice ut as told it depends of the
+schedule. If you think this can be ok, i trust you.
+
+Is it doable to do like mikala for kde and do updates for gnome 3.4.x
+during mageia lifecycle ?
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+<PRE>Le samedi 01 octobre 2011 &#224; 10:41 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 1 octobre 2011 10:36:34, Fabrice Facorat a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2011/10/1 Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I just committed my first (minor) patch to a Mageia tool, here
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; transfugdrake:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/transfugdrake/trunk/transfugdrake?r1=2001&amp;r">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/transfugdrake/trunk/transfugdrake?r1=2001&amp;r</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 2=2000&amp;pathrev=2001
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What if home directory is on NFS and located on an CentOS server ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; IMHO you should avoid adding Mageia, especially if this tool may be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; used by others distribution ( like PCLO )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> indeed, I shouldn't mention Mageia explicitly. I removed that word.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for seeing it.
+</I>We can use %vendor or something like that no ?
+
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+<PRE>Le samedi 1 octobre 2011 11:16:45, Manuel Hiebel a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 01 octobre 2011 &#224; 10:41 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le samedi 1 octobre 2011 10:36:34, Fabrice Facorat a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 2011/10/1 Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; I just committed my first (minor) patch to a Mageia tool, here
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; transfugdrake:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/transfugdrake/trunk/transfugdrake?r1=20">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/transfugdrake/trunk/transfugdrake?r1=20</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 01&amp;r 2=2000&amp;pathrev=2001
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; What if home directory is on NFS and located on an CentOS server ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; IMHO you should avoid adding Mageia, especially if this tool may be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; used by others distribution ( like PCLO )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; indeed, I shouldn't mention Mageia explicitly. I removed that word.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks for seeing it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We can use %vendor or something like that no ?
+</I>
+There's a variable, but in the sentence it was not really necessary to use the
+distro name (it's already in the previous sentence).
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 29/09/11 19:28 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification</A> it
+</I>&gt;<i> has:
+</I>&gt;<i> | Number Description Proposed by Comment Bugzilla
+</I>&gt;<i> | 045. Gnome 3.2x dmorgan
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Found the schedule at
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/07/17/mageia-2-release-cycle-support-and-planning/:">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/07/17/mageia-2-release-cycle-support-and-planning/:</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Alpha 1 : 16/11/2011
+</I>&gt;<i> Alpha 2 : 14/12/2011
+</I>&gt;<i> Beta 1 : 20/01/2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Versions freeze : 06/02/2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Artwork freeze: 10/02/2012
+</I>&gt;<i> i18n freeze: 10/02/2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Beta 2 : 14/02/2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Releases freeze : 06/03/2012
+</I>&gt;<i> RC : 09/03/2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Final Release: 04/04/2012
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now, the (likely) GNOME 3.4 schedule )<A HREF="https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointThree">https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointThree</A>) has:
+</I>&gt;<i> UI freeze: February 20 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> String freeze: March 05 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Code freze: March 19 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> 3.4 release: March 28 2012
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The last 3.2 release (3.2.2): Nov 16 2011
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My proposal is to use GNOME 3.4 for Mageia 2 as these freezes (to me) seem to
+</I>&gt;<i> integrate well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I'd personally like to see 3.4 in mga2, although I agree the timing is
+very tight.
+
+That said, keeping development snapshots in cauldron until then would be
+really nice and help upstream with feedback etc.
+
+If we have to drop our schedule back a week but we get latest KDE and
+GNOME, I'd say it's worth it. I appreciate this argument can go on
+forever (just one more week and we get $SHINY), but for the two main DEs
+we support, I think it's reasonable and, as someone else said, really
+good for PR.
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 30/09/11 22:19 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> That was a very nasty bug for an official Gnome release
+</I>
+Yeah, the mutter memory leak I patched the other day was another really
+nasty one that prevented me running gnome-shell for more than 8hr
+without restarting it (gnome-shell --replace&amp;). That one was also rather
+horrible.
+
+It's fixed now tho' :)
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>Shlomi Fish</B>
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+<PRE>Hi all,
+
+building ldetect on Cauldron is broken:
+
+[Q]
+cc -shared -Wl,-z,relro -Wl,-O1,-soname,libldetect.so.0.11 -o libldetect.so.0.11.1 common.o hid.o modalias.o pciusb.o pci.o usb.o pciclass.o usbclass.o dmi.o sysfs_attr.o sysfs_utils.o names.o -lpci -lmodprobe -lz
+ar -cru libldetect.a common.o hid.o modalias.o pciusb.o pci.o usb.o pciclass.o usbclass.o dmi.o sysfs_attr.o sysfs_utils.o names.o
+ranlib libldetect.a
+ln -sf libldetect.so.0.11.1 libldetect.so.0.11
+ln -sf libldetect.so.0.11 libldetect.so
+cc -Wall -W -Wstrict-prototypes -Os -fPIC -fvisibility=hidden -g lspcidrake.c libldetect.so -o lspcidrake
+lspcidrake.c: In function &#8216;main&#8217;:
+lspcidrake.c:107:2: warning: suggest parentheses around &#8216;&amp;&amp;&#8217; within &#8216;||&#8217;
+libldetect.so: undefined reference to `read_toplevel_config'
+libldetect.so: undefined reference to `read_config'
+collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
+make: *** [lspcidrake] Error 1
+error: Bad exit status from /home/shlomif/Download/unpack/Mandriva/Mageia/ldetect/BUILDROOT/rpm-tmp.4rz0ZF (%build)
+
+
+RPM build errors:
+ Bad exit status from /home/shlomif/Download/unpack/Mandriva/Mageia/ldetect/BUILDROOT/rpm-tmp.4rz0ZF (%build)
+error: failed!
+shlomif[rpms]:$mageia/ldetect$
+[/Q]
+
+Apparently, modprobe.so no longer contains &quot;read_toplevel_config&quot; (which isn't even in the header file) or &quot;read_config&quot; (which is in a patch to the header file added on Mageia, but no longer defined in the sources themselves), and as a result, building ldetect fails. Seems like we have introduced a non-blessed API of modprobe.so.
+
+This prevents upgrading kdiff3 and many other packages.
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
+
+--
+-----------------------------------------------------------------
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+<PRE>On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> building ldetect on Cauldron is broken:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [Q]
+</I>&gt;<i> cc -shared -Wl,-z,relro -Wl,-O1,-soname,libldetect.so.0.11 -o libldetect.so.0.11.1 common.o hid.o modalias.o pciusb.o pci.o usb.o pciclass.o usbclass.o dmi.o sysfs_attr.o sysfs_utils.o names.o -lpci -lmodprobe -lz
+</I>&gt;<i> ar -cru libldetect.a common.o hid.o modalias.o pciusb.o pci.o usb.o pciclass.o usbclass.o dmi.o sysfs_attr.o sysfs_utils.o names.o
+</I>&gt;<i> ranlib libldetect.a
+</I>&gt;<i> ln -sf libldetect.so.0.11.1 libldetect.so.0.11
+</I>&gt;<i> ln -sf libldetect.so.0.11 libldetect.so
+</I>&gt;<i> cc -Wall -W -Wstrict-prototypes -Os -fPIC -fvisibility=hidden -g &#160; &#160;lspcidrake.c libldetect.so &#160; -o lspcidrake
+</I>&gt;<i> lspcidrake.c: In function &#8216;main&#8217;:
+</I>&gt;<i> lspcidrake.c:107:2: warning: suggest parentheses around &#8216;&amp;&amp;&#8217; within &#8216;||&#8217;
+</I>&gt;<i> libldetect.so: undefined reference to `read_toplevel_config'
+</I>&gt;<i> libldetect.so: undefined reference to `read_config'
+</I>&gt;<i> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
+</I>&gt;<i> make: *** [lspcidrake] Error 1
+</I>&gt;<i> error: Bad exit status from /home/shlomif/Download/unpack/Mandriva/Mageia/ldetect/BUILDROOT/rpm-tmp.4rz0ZF (%build)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> RPM build errors:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;Bad exit status from /home/shlomif/Download/unpack/Mandriva/Mageia/ldetect/BUILDROOT/rpm-tmp.4rz0ZF (%build)
+</I>&gt;<i> error: failed!
+</I>&gt;<i> shlomif[rpms]:$mageia/ldetect$
+</I>&gt;<i> [/Q]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Apparently, modprobe.so no longer contains &quot;read_toplevel_config&quot; (which isn't even in the header file) or &quot;read_config&quot; (which is in a patch to the header file added on Mageia, but no longer defined in the sources themselves), and as a result, building ldetect fails. Seems like we have introduced a non-blessed API of modprobe.so.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This prevents upgrading kdiff3 and many other packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+tvignaud is working on it, he just need to finish to port iirc.
+
+I add thierry as cc: of this mail to have his input about this.
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+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09unetbootin-0-0.555.mga2&In-Reply-To=%3CCAONrEtbx-jhsezkv4iBL%3D8vneN9YsYshxWZLXm2%3DMw0e6yciGg%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+&gt;<i> sander85 &lt;sander85&gt; 0-0.555.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 150665
+</I>&gt;<i> - fix bug #1443
+</I>
+That is?
+Next time add a one line description of the bug
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+ <B>Florian Hubold</B>
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+<PRE>Am 01.10.2011 14:44, schrieb Alexander Kazancev:
+&gt;<i> Hi all. I sync drakxtools 13.51 with Mageia drakxtools 13.63 (add new
+</I>&gt;<i> patches) on Cooker (drakxtools-13.51-12). All changes need some test for
+</I>&gt;<i> correct using this patches in Mandriva and question of needing this update in
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * any.pm &lt;<A HREF="http://any.pm">http://any.pm</A>&gt; patch
+</I>&gt;<i> - add lxsession/lxlogout in any.pm &lt;<A HREF="http://any.pm">http://any.pm</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> * fs patch
+</I>&gt;<i> - match partitions when one of them as device_alias to the device of the
+</I>&gt;<i> other
+</I>&gt;<i> - fix spaces are not allowed between options in /etc/fstab
+</I>&gt;<i> * partitioning patch
+</I>&gt;<i> - always align partitions to start at megabyte boundaries to avoid
+</I>&gt;<i> performance issues with drives with 4k physical sectors
+</I>&gt;<i> * harddrake patch
+</I>&gt;<i> - Robustify the PulseAudio configs (don't try and write files if they do
+</I>&gt;<i> not exists. Doing so previously would result in blank files that then causes
+</I>&gt;<i> problems when installing PulseAudio as the &quot;config&quot; files are not overwritten
+</I>&gt;<i> properly which can result in broken PA startup)
+</I>&gt;<i> - Remove the &quot;Enable 5.1...&quot; option. This is now done via card profiles
+</I>&gt;<i> in native GUIs for GNOME and KDE (or pavucontrol)
+</I>&gt;<i> - Add more options for CPU info
+</I>&gt;<i> * drakfont.patch
+</I>&gt;<i> - rename Ooo as LibreOffice
+</I>&gt;<i> - enable support for LibreOffice/gs/... only if available
+</I>&gt;<i> * detect-devices.patch
+</I>&gt;<i> - merge cpufreq detection logic into detect_devices::hasCPUFreq(), which
+</I>&gt;<i> is cleaner and enable us to install cpufreq on more cases
+</I>&gt;<i> - add support to detect if CPU microcode is upgradable
+</I>&gt;<i> - detect machines needing cpufreq
+</I>&gt;<i> - (getInputDevices,hasNumpad) detect (at least some (eg: Compaq USB numpad)
+</I>&gt;<i> - use EVIOCGBIT ioctl instead of trying to parse key field from
+</I>&gt;<i> /proc/bus/input/devices to avoid issues on 64bit kernel with 32bit userspace
+</I>&gt;<i> * secure patch
+</I>&gt;<i> - fix default level being 'standard'
+</I>&gt;<i> - fix reading security level with new msec
+</I>&gt;<i> * notification patch
+</I>&gt;<i> - fix new libnotify API and net-applet crash
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Chief of educational programs Mandriva Russia (<A HREF="http://edumandriva.ru">http://edumandriva.ru</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> Alexander Kazancev
+</I>
+Hope our drakxtools maintainers can use something of this, at least the
+alignment fix for drives with 4k physical sectors seems interesting so far.
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+ <B>Florian Hubold</B>
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+<PRE>Am 01.10.2011 19:25, schrieb Florian Hubold:
+&gt;<i> Am 01.10.2011 14:44, schrieb Alexander Kazancev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi all. I sync drakxtools 13.51 with Mageia drakxtools 13.63 (add new
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> patches) on Cooker (drakxtools-13.51-12). All changes need some test for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> correct using this patches in Mandriva and question of needing this update in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * any.pm &lt;<A HREF="http://any.pm">http://any.pm</A>&gt; patch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - add lxsession/lxlogout in any.pm &lt;<A HREF="http://any.pm">http://any.pm</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * fs patch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - match partitions when one of them as device_alias to the device of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - fix spaces are not allowed between options in /etc/fstab
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * partitioning patch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - always align partitions to start at megabyte boundaries to avoid
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> performance issues with drives with 4k physical sectors
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * harddrake patch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Robustify the PulseAudio configs (don't try and write files if they do
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not exists. Doing so previously would result in blank files that then causes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> problems when installing PulseAudio as the &quot;config&quot; files are not overwritten
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> properly which can result in broken PA startup)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Remove the &quot;Enable 5.1...&quot; option. This is now done via card profiles
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in native GUIs for GNOME and KDE (or pavucontrol)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Add more options for CPU info
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * drakfont.patch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - rename Ooo as LibreOffice
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - enable support for LibreOffice/gs/... only if available
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * detect-devices.patch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - merge cpufreq detection logic into detect_devices::hasCPUFreq(), which
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is cleaner and enable us to install cpufreq on more cases
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - add support to detect if CPU microcode is upgradable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - detect machines needing cpufreq
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - (getInputDevices,hasNumpad) detect (at least some (eg: Compaq USB numpad)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - use EVIOCGBIT ioctl instead of trying to parse key field from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /proc/bus/input/devices to avoid issues on 64bit kernel with 32bit userspace
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * secure patch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - fix default level being 'standard'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - fix reading security level with new msec
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * notification patch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - fix new libnotify API and net-applet crash
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Chief of educational programs Mandriva Russia (<A HREF="http://edumandriva.ru">http://edumandriva.ru</A>)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Alexander Kazancev
+</I>&gt;<i> Hope our drakxtools maintainers can use something of this, at least the
+</I>&gt;<i> alignment fix for drives with 4k physical sectors seems interesting so far.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>/note to self: Read the important part of the mail,
+not only the subject and all the fixes ...
+
+*facepalm*
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hope our drakxtools maintainers can use something of this, at least the
+</I>&gt;<i> alignment fix for drives with 4k physical sectors seems interesting so far.
+</I>
+They're taking those changes from mageia's drakxtools, so we already
+have them.
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+&gt;<i> Hope our drakxtools maintainers can use something of this, at least the
+</I>&gt;<i> alignment fix for drives with 4k physical sectors seems interesting so far.
+</I>
+That would definitely make one of my colleagues happy :)
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+<PRE>Le samedi 1 octobre 2011 19:38:57, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 1 octobre 2011 19:25:28, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hope our drakxtools maintainers can use something of this, at least the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; alignment fix for drives with 4k physical sectors seems interesting so
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; far.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That would definitely make one of my colleagues happy :)
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+Oh, Florian managed to confuse me :)
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+ <B>Olav Vitters</B>
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+<PRE>On Sat, Oct 01, 2011 at 11:02:57AM +0200, Dexter Morgan wrote:
+&gt;<i> i think 3.4 would be a nice choice ut as told it depends of the
+</I>&gt;<i> schedule. If you think this can be ok, i trust you.
+</I>
+GNOME schedule wise it is ok, I just don't know what things need to be
+done from a distribution. e.g. iso file size.. we'll need to monitor
+than continuously IMO
+
+&gt;<i> Is it doable to do like mikala for kde and do updates for gnome 3.4.x
+</I>&gt;<i> during mageia lifecycle ?
+</I>
+Yeah, that is mandatory. We have to provide the stable updates. The more
+people use software, the more bugs are found. So we have to provide
+stable updates to fix everything that was found (no matter how much
+testing you do in a group, if you have 50x the amount of users, they'll
+find way more bugs).
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+<PRE>Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 1 octobre 2011 19:38:57, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le samedi 1 octobre 2011 19:25:28, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hope our drakxtools maintainers can use something of this, at least the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> alignment fix for drives with 4k physical sectors seems interesting so
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> far.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That would definitely make one of my colleagues happy :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh, Florian managed to confuse me :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Me too :)
+But nice to know that we now have 4k alignment of disk partitions
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>Hi everyone,
+
+We now have 44 active packagers maintaining at least one package (out of
+about 65 who qualify as packagers), as well as about 40 apprentices. In
+the last few weeks 8 packagers have started to contribute actively (now
+maintaining from 1 to 119 packages), including alien, bcornec, eandry,
+erwan, julien, lebedov, ovitters, steletch, and zezihno.
+A number have been Mandriva packagers, but at least 3 have apprenticed
+with Mageia.
+(If you notice me being a little vague, they don't tell me everything ;-) )
+
+----
+
+We still need to increase the number of packagers.
+
+We currently have 2 apprentice candidates, who would very much
+appreciate the helping hand of a mentor :
+
+Juergen Harms (juergen_harms), who has been waiting a little over a week.
+He has some personal mdv packaging experience, as well experience with
+C, perl, Unix, and good network skills. He is interested in maintaining
+backuppc and geda.
+(He speaks German, French, and English)
+
+J-C Stiegler (jc_steigler), who has been waiting almost a week.
+He is a Linux user since 1995, has a little personal rpm packaging
+experience, and is interested in packaging flightgear.
+(He speaks French and English)
+
+More info on your future apprentices at
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates</A>
+
+Mentors, just let me know which apprentice you choose, and I'll update
+the tables for you.
+
+Thanks :-)
+
+----
+
+Anyone else looking for a mentor, let me know so I can add your name as
+an apprentice candidate -- or you can do it yourself.
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates</A>
+
+
+See also the section just above, on becoming a Mageia packager :
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#becoming_a_mageia_packager">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#becoming_a_mageia_packager</A>
+
+To find a mentor, you can also post to this list, or on IRC at freenode
+#mageia-mentoring.
+
+Regards :)
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+ <B>Anne Nicolas</B>
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+<PRE>Hi there
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> J-C Stiegler (jc_steigler), who has been waiting almost a week.
+</I>&gt;<i> He is a Linux user since 1995, has a little personal rpm packaging
+</I>&gt;<i> experience, and is interested in packaging flightgear.
+</I>&gt;<i> (He speaks French and English)
+</I>
+As I told him, I will mentor J-C.
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> More info on your future apprentices at
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mentors, just let me know which apprentice you choose, and I'll update
+</I>&gt;<i> the tables for you.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyone else looking for a mentor, let me know so I can add your name as
+</I>&gt;<i> an apprentice candidate -- or you can do it yourself.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See also the section just above, on becoming a Mageia packager :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#becoming_a_mageia_packager">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#becoming_a_mageia_packager</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To find a mentor, you can also post to this list, or on IRC at freenode
+</I>&gt;<i> #mageia-mentoring.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
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+ <B>Joaquin Mandriva</B>
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+<PRE>First of all, thank you to everyone for all your comments and interest!
+
+------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+&gt;<i>Samuel Verschelde:
+</I>
+&gt;<i>Great, I really like it when user communities get involved directly in the
+</I>&gt;<i>project rather than doing everything outside ! :)
+</I>
+We are very glad in blogdrake to help a distribution with such good
+intentions as Mageia, so we wish all its success.
+
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+&gt;<i>Jos&#233; Jorge:
+</I>
+&gt;<i>Good. And at first, I suggest you remove everything that is already in
+</I>Mageia
+&gt;<i>repos as updates : smc, cegui, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>Keeping them will just add mess.
+</I>
+All the programmes of my repository has been checked:
+- The packages are not in Cauldron.
+- They are updated to the latest version.
+- They have been checked the licences and written in file spec.
+- Installed and run (in Mageia 1).
+- Checked with rpmlint and cleaned file specs to verify the conditions of
+rpmlint.
+(Everything in Mageia 1, not in Cauldron yet)
+
+The result of this work is the following list:
+<A HREF="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt</A>
+
+Also with the directory of srpms:
+<A HREF="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin</A>
+
+I've uploaded to BS already the first 2 programmes (flaw y fimount) with the
+help of
+my mentor Juan Luis Baptiste (aka Juancho) and we want to continue with this
+work.
+
+All your collaboration to get the final step, would be Welcome:
+- Try to pack all these packages in Cauldron
+- Upload to BS
+There are many packages and it is too much work for one person.
+
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+
+&gt;<i>Philipe Didier
+</I>
+&gt;<i>Just one thing to correct : your repos addresses are :
+</I>&gt;<i><A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i><A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/</A>
+</I>
+Thanks! The right URL is the one you show.
+
+&gt;<i>First thing I must say : it's a very good idea to upload these packages
+</I>&gt;<i>to the BS and join the packagers team instead of providing third party
+</I>&gt;<i>repos that will soon create compatibility problems (as in the past for
+</I>&gt;<i>Mandrake and Mandriva with Thac's or MIB or others)
+</I>
+The main target of this repository is to have the major quantity of these
+Programmes in Mageia 2 and, in the meanwhile, to have a repository in which
+the users of Mageia can enjoy of a lot of programmes, wanting to use the
+distribution more and more.
+
+Frankly, I don't agree the policy of MIB. Even, MIB declared openly that it
+doesn't like Mageia (see the official website)
+
+I tried to avoid packing libraries (compatiblity problems), so I have just
+packed only the neccesary libraries to do some programmes work
+
+&gt;<i>The second thing is : before uploading them you will have to be careful
+</I>&gt;<i>with the repos policy (core tainted non-free)
+</I>&gt;<i>In your own repo, there is a problematic package : faac (and libfaac0
+</I>&gt;<i>libfaac-devel) which is both non-free and tainted ...
+</I>&gt;<i>After long dicussions on the mailing list a meeting decision was not to
+</I>&gt;<i>provide it at the moment (nor the packages built with it...)
+</I>&gt;<i>If a non-free-&amp;-tainted repo is created for Mageia2, in the future, it
+</I>&gt;<i>will be then allowed ... wait and see !
+</I>
+Then I'm not going to upload any programme which use faac to BS, until a
+non-free-&amp;-tainted repo is created for Mageia2 (audiokonverter y cinelerra
+will wait) ;-)
+
+I have a list of all the packages in which I show the license of each
+packages to avoid making mistakes with licenses:
+<A HREF="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt</A>
+
+Also with the directory of srpms:
+<A HREF="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin</A>
+
+------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+
+&gt;<i>Jos&#233; Jorge:
+</I>
+&gt;<i>hi, I am packaging games in mageia, so maybe I can help bring faster
+</I>blogdrake
+&gt;<i>repos. Is there a way to say which packages I start working on?
+</I>
+My friend GregoryBravas (admin from <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</A>) created a post
+with all
+the games in blogdrake repository. I think you should visit it before
+packing yourself,
+to avoid any extra-work!
+<A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/blog/bravas/juegos-para-mageia1-en-el-repositorio-de-blogdrake">http://blogdrake.net/blog/bravas/juegos-para-mageia1-en-el-repositorio-de-blogdrake</A>
+
+Also see the previous list:
+<A HREF="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt</A>
+
+In my blog you also can see the emulators (games) packed for Mageia:
+<A HREF="http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/">http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/</A>
+(The blue list on the right at the end)
+
+I take the advantage to thank Bravas for all his help packing all these
+games
+and much more programmes!! ;-)
+
+Best Regards,
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+&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 30.09.2011 01:57, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - (coming soon, from you if you want, or me later) a script that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gives you the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> list of unmaintained packages that are installed on your system
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpm -qa --qf '%{sourcerpm}\n' | sed -r \
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 's,(^.+)-[^-]+-[^-]+\.src.rpm$,\1,' | sort -u | grep -Fx \
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --color=never &quot;$(curl -s \
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt</A>&quot;)&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If the file is already downloaded, this works too:
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm -qa --qf '%{sourcerpm}\n' | sed -r 's,-[^-]+-[^-]+\.src.rpm$,,' |
+</I>&gt;<i> sort -u | grep -Fx -f {path}/unmaintained.txt
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are packages from only 722 unmaintained srpms installed on my
+</I>&gt;<i> system :)
+</I>&gt;<i> What numbers do others have ?
+</I>
+884 and 932.
+
+
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+&gt;<i> Hi there
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I told him, I will mentor J-C.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>GOD !
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+<PRE>Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> Maybe we should use perl-gobject-introspection rather than perl modules?
+</I>
+What for?
+
+&gt;<i> 2011/10/1, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can't we use this signal?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://webkitgtk.org/reference/webkitgtk-webkitwebview.html#WebKitWebView-close-web-view">http://webkitgtk.org/reference/webkitgtk-webkitwebview.html#WebKitWebView-close-web-view</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No, this signal is only available if the allowScriptsToCloseWindows
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> setting is true, or in some special cases.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've rediffed the patch in SVN.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anyway, it seems that drakhelp does not start: missing ctxhelp.pm,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should be from doc package, but we have none...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And it seems we don't have the first time wizard either.
+</I>
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 30 septembre 2011 13:24:14, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 30 september 2011 00:57:22 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Please every packager read this mail, there's a call for feedback.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - did you grab all the packages you want and can maintain already ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (not a rhetorical question, this will help to know if there's still room
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for improvement or if the current campaign has reached a limit). If the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; answer is no, I would be very grateful if you could update your
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; maintainer status before next packager meeting.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> maybe i can take on a few more; allthough i still have some bug reports
+</I>&gt;<i> assigned to me that are still open...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes, better fix them before widening the scope.
+
+Samuel
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+<PRE>Philippe DIDIER a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Anne Nicolas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As I told him, I will mentor J-C.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> GOD !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+May we promise we'll never crucify him !
+
+;)
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+<PRE>Anne Nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> J-C Stiegler (jc_steigler), who has been waiting almost a week.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>...
+&gt;<i> As I told him, I will mentor J-C.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks Anne :-)
+
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe we should use perl-gobject-introspection rather than perl modules?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What for?
+</I>
+The pros being Gtk3 support as well as support for everything in gnome3
+(at least everything having support for introspection)
+(There won't be any perl-Gtk3)
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+
+Hope you are well?
+
+'Twas brillig, and Pacho Ramos at 29/09/11 17:07 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If I don't misremember you bumped time ago gvfs-1.8 to be used with old
+</I>&gt;<i> Gnome 2 but, a bit later, it was dropped. Do you remember why did you
+</I>&gt;<i> need to drop it? Any incompatibility with Gnome 2?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks a lot for the info
+</I>
+Is this in Cauldron? I'm not sure we're even going to provide a gnome-2
+for mga2... don't think that's really be officially decided yet.
+Personally I'd be in favour of concentrating on gnome 3.
+
+Are you interested in a mga2 Gnome 2 version or are there other reasons
+you want gvfs 1.8?
+
+Col
+
+
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 19/09/11 11:32 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;&gt;<i> On 19 September 2011 11:44, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Did you fixed the war against webcam another way?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is this a problem of webcam mics not working if they are present during
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> boot? If not, can you remember the problem better?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If so, no I've not fixed, but will find an official way that we can
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> submit upstream.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Whoops, it seems this conversation went off list accidentally.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> TV clarified that the problem the snd-usb-audio modprobe rule solved was
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that of webcams getting the card0 slot on boot and pushing the normal,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> built in audio system to card1.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As this problem attempts to resolve the underlying limitations of alsa
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (not preserving the audio device order) in a generic way (specific
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> index= arguments could be added to your own specific hardware to solve
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it also), and considering that device order really shouldn't matter when
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> PulseAudio is used (it has it's own built in system for determining the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;priority&quot; of devices when a first boot with a new user is encountered
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> so that the correct defaults will be picked on first boot and there
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> after it's the user's choice), I'm not really inclined to attempt to fix
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this &quot;bug&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If people feel super strongly about it I can look into it, but I think
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it's really a matter of &quot;tough love&quot; for the non-PA case if it means we
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> have to put in lots of crazy work arounds like this.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Opinions welcome.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not all people use PA.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We even have options in draksound in order to disable it...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hence we must still support the case were PA isn't around...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> can something be done with udev rules, like it happens with other types of
+</I>&gt;<i> devices?
+</I>
+
+I'm not sure udev rules will fix this.
+
+I guess we could provide some default modprobe rule that just left space
+for the device 0...
+
+<A HREF="http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards#Reordering_the_driver_for_a_particular_card">http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards#Reordering_the_driver_for_a_particular_card</A>
+
+options snd slots=,snd-usb-audio
+
+
+These rules could only be used when PA is not used (via sound profile
+symlinks)
+
+That will probably cover most bases and if users want to have more
+configuration when they do not use PA then they can write their own
+modprobe rules. I'd say that's an acceptable trade off.
+
+WDYT?
+
+Col
+
+
+
+
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>Olivier FAURAX</B>
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+<PRE>andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at ...</A>&gt; writes:
+&gt;<i> Juergen Harms (juergen_harms), who has been waiting a little over a week.
+</I>&gt;<i> He has some personal mdv packaging experience, as well experience with
+</I>&gt;<i> C, perl, Unix, and good network skills. He is interested in maintaining
+</I>&gt;<i> backuppc and geda.
+</I>&gt;<i> (He speaks German, French, and English)
+</I>
+Hello,
+
+I don't know if I'm qualified enough to mentor someone, but if nobody takes him,
+I'll try :)
+
+Have a nice day
+Olivier
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+<PRE>El lun, 03-10-2011 a las 09:19 +0100, Colin Guthrie escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> Hi Pacho!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hope you are well?
+</I>
+Yes, fine, you too? I expect that :D
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Pacho Ramos at 29/09/11 17:07 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If I don't misremember you bumped time ago gvfs-1.8 to be used with old
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Gnome 2 but, a bit later, it was dropped. Do you remember why did you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; need to drop it? Any incompatibility with Gnome 2?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks a lot for the info
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is this in Cauldron? I'm not sure we're even going to provide a gnome-2
+</I>&gt;<i> for mga2... don't think that's really be officially decided yet.
+</I>&gt;<i> Personally I'd be in favour of concentrating on gnome 3.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Are you interested in a mga2 Gnome 2 version or are there other reasons
+</I>&gt;<i> you want gvfs 1.8?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+I was asking that because on Gentoo we are still providing Gnome2 in
+&quot;stable&quot; and wanted to unmask gvfs-1.8 to be used with it... but we
+unmasked it a few days ago and are currently testing it ;)
+
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+<PRE>Op maandag 03 oktober 2011 10:27:02 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 19/09/11 11:32 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On 19 September 2011 11:44, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Did you fixed the war against webcam another way?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Is this a problem of webcam mics not working if they are present
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; during boot? If not, can you remember the problem better?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; If so, no I've not fixed, but will find an official way that we can
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; submit upstream.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Whoops, it seems this conversation went off list accidentally.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; TV clarified that the problem the snd-usb-audio modprobe rule solved
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; was that of webcams getting the card0 slot on boot and pushing the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; normal, built in audio system to card1.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; As this problem attempts to resolve the underlying limitations of alsa
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; (not preserving the audio device order) in a generic way (specific
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; index= arguments could be added to your own specific hardware to solve
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; it also), and considering that device order really shouldn't matter
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; when PulseAudio is used (it has it's own built in system for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; determining the &quot;priority&quot; of devices when a first boot with a new
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; user is encountered so that the correct defaults will be picked on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; first boot and there after it's the user's choice), I'm not really
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; inclined to attempt to fix this &quot;bug&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; If people feel super strongly about it I can look into it, but I think
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; it's really a matter of &quot;tough love&quot; for the non-PA case if it means we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; have to put in lots of crazy work arounds like this.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Opinions welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Not all people use PA.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; We even have options in draksound in order to disable it...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hence we must still support the case were PA isn't around...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; can something be done with udev rules, like it happens with other types
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of devices?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not sure udev rules will fix this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess we could provide some default modprobe rule that just left space
+</I>&gt;<i> for the device 0...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards#Reordering_the_driver_for_a_particula">http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards#Reordering_the_driver_for_a_particula</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> r_card
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> options snd slots=,snd-usb-audio
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> These rules could only be used when PA is not used (via sound profile
+</I>&gt;<i> symlinks)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That will probably cover most bases and if users want to have more
+</I>&gt;<i> configuration when they do not use PA then they can write their own
+</I>&gt;<i> modprobe rules. I'd say that's an acceptable trade off.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+
+what i mean is to have some kind of udev rule generator, so that the ones you
+had when you started at first are kept in that order (they still can be added
+or removed, but the existing ones will keep their device name?
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 03/10/11 13:41 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Op maandag 03 oktober 2011 10:27:02 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 19/09/11 11:32 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 19 September 2011 11:44, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Did you fixed the war against webcam another way?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is this a problem of webcam mics not working if they are present
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> during boot? If not, can you remember the problem better?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If so, no I've not fixed, but will find an official way that we can
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> submit upstream.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Whoops, it seems this conversation went off list accidentally.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> TV clarified that the problem the snd-usb-audio modprobe rule solved
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> was that of webcams getting the card0 slot on boot and pushing the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> normal, built in audio system to card1.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As this problem attempts to resolve the underlying limitations of alsa
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (not preserving the audio device order) in a generic way (specific
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> index= arguments could be added to your own specific hardware to solve
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it also), and considering that device order really shouldn't matter
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> when PulseAudio is used (it has it's own built in system for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> determining the &quot;priority&quot; of devices when a first boot with a new
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> user is encountered so that the correct defaults will be picked on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> first boot and there after it's the user's choice), I'm not really
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> inclined to attempt to fix this &quot;bug&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If people feel super strongly about it I can look into it, but I think
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it's really a matter of &quot;tough love&quot; for the non-PA case if it means we
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> have to put in lots of crazy work arounds like this.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Opinions welcome.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Not all people use PA.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We even have options in draksound in order to disable it...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hence we must still support the case were PA isn't around...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can something be done with udev rules, like it happens with other types
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of devices?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not sure udev rules will fix this.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I guess we could provide some default modprobe rule that just left space
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for the device 0...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards#Reordering_the_driver_for_a_particula">http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards#Reordering_the_driver_for_a_particula</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> r_card
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> options snd slots=,snd-usb-audio
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> These rules could only be used when PA is not used (via sound profile
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> symlinks)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That will probably cover most bases and if users want to have more
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> configuration when they do not use PA then they can write their own
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> modprobe rules. I'd say that's an acceptable trade off.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> what i mean is to have some kind of udev rule generator, so that the ones you
+</I>&gt;<i> had when you started at first are kept in that order (they still can be added
+</I>&gt;<i> or removed, but the existing ones will keep their device name?
+</I>
+Potentially, tho' I'd much rather avoid complicated rules generators
+like that as it'll just lead to problems at some point when it stops
+working or syntax changes etc.
+
+IMO it's just added complexity for questionable gain.
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
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+<PRE>Can whoever uploaded freeglut please fix the mesa require tags.
+
+i.e. the fact that mesa-common-devel requires the mesa
+lib[64]mesaglut3-devel = 7.11
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 29 septembre 2011 &#224; 20:41 +0200, Erwan Velu a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 28/09/2011 22:13, D.Morgan a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Erwan Velu&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">erwanaliasr1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I'm currently updating Syslinux 4.04 and I'm currently facing a trouble as,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; historically speaking, we do remove the included libpng by the system one.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; The compilation process fails. I was wondering if we really consider
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; replacing the libpng of syslinux as a security issue.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Sec team ? What's your opinion on it ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i take my security hat on, we prefer when possible when we use the system libs.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i have not looked but which libpng is included ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It take the libpng-source to replace the current syslinux code.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The point is syslinux is a bootloader that obviously don't share libs
+</I>&gt;<i> with the rest of the system.
+</I>&gt;<i> Considering that we can attack the bootloader via a picture means you
+</I>&gt;<i> compromized the picture. If you can change the picture located at /boot,
+</I>&gt;<i> means that you can compromize the booting parameters too.
+</I>
+No, that's not the way it work.
+
+The problem by bundling libpng is the following :
+- imagine there is a security issue in libpng ( like it did in the past,
+and like it happened on libz, or others ). Let's suppose also the
+problem is a simple buffer overflow. So using this buffer overflow,
+someone reading a image would trigger the error, who could be crafted to
+erase the stack, and inject code in the process.
+
+So if the error is not fixed, I can simply say on irc : &quot;oh, here is a
+picture of a cute duck on <A HREF="http://example.org/~misc/duck.png">http://example.org/~misc/duck.png</A>&quot;. You
+download, you execute my code, you have lost.
+
+But since the libpng would be fixed, this would not work. Except that we
+cannot garantee that it is fixed everywhere.
+
+Except if I start to replace this by &quot;here is a nice syslinux boot image
+with a duck&quot;. And then my code is run by syslinux, just because someone
+took my png picture.
+
+So no, bundling is not without causing trouble.
+
+&gt;<i> So if we take this road of removing bootloader's libs, shall we also
+</I>&gt;<i> remove the jpeg/gz/gcc/... libs too, and maybe for other bootloaders too ?
+</I>
+&gt;<i> I do understand the need for the application that runs under linux...
+</I>&gt;<i> but about the bootloaders...
+</I>
+Unless I am wrong, a bootloader run on ring 0 or can even ( like xen )
+be used to run the kernel in a specific separate memory space ( ie,
+virtualisation ). This could open a whole new range of problem ( like
+the Blue Pill concept code published 5 years ago by Joanna Rutkowska )
+
+So I think that bootloader requires more consideration than regular
+application.
+
+&gt;<i> What's your thoughts about it ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Would you agree on keep syslinux untouched regarding the png lib ?
+</I>
+For reasons explained before, I would rather disagree.
+
+
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+<PRE>Op maandag 03 oktober 2011 15:38:34 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 03/10/11 13:41 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op maandag 03 oktober 2011 10:27:02 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 19/09/11 11:32 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On 19 September 2011 11:44, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;
+</I>wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Did you fixed the war against webcam another way?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Is this a problem of webcam mics not working if they are present
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; during boot? If not, can you remember the problem better?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; If so, no I've not fixed, but will find an official way that we can
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; submit upstream.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Whoops, it seems this conversation went off list accidentally.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; TV clarified that the problem the snd-usb-audio modprobe rule solved
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; was that of webcams getting the card0 slot on boot and pushing the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; normal, built in audio system to card1.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; As this problem attempts to resolve the underlying limitations of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; alsa (not preserving the audio device order) in a generic way
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; (specific index= arguments could be added to your own specific
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; hardware to solve it also), and considering that device order really
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; shouldn't matter when PulseAudio is used (it has it's own built in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; system for determining the &quot;priority&quot; of devices when a first boot
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; with a new user is encountered so that the correct defaults will be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; picked on first boot and there after it's the user's choice), I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; not really inclined to attempt to fix this &quot;bug&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; If people feel super strongly about it I can look into it, but I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; think it's really a matter of &quot;tough love&quot; for the non-PA case if it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; means we have to put in lots of crazy work arounds like this.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Opinions welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Not all people use PA.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We even have options in draksound in order to disable it...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hence we must still support the case were PA isn't around...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; can something be done with udev rules, like it happens with other types
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; of devices?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I'm not sure udev rules will fix this.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I guess we could provide some default modprobe rule that just left space
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; for the device 0...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards#Reordering_the_driver_for_a_partic">http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards#Reordering_the_driver_for_a_partic</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ula r_card
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; options snd slots=,snd-usb-audio
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; These rules could only be used when PA is not used (via sound profile
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; symlinks)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; That will probably cover most bases and if users want to have more
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; configuration when they do not use PA then they can write their own
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; modprobe rules. I'd say that's an acceptable trade off.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Col
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; what i mean is to have some kind of udev rule generator, so that the ones
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; you had when you started at first are kept in that order (they still can
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; be added or removed, but the existing ones will keep their device name?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Potentially, tho' I'd much rather avoid complicated rules generators
+</I>&gt;<i> like that as it'll just lead to problems at some point when it stops
+</I>&gt;<i> working or syntax changes etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMO it's just added complexity for questionable gain.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+
+debian uses this system to make sure devices have the same device names and
+numbers as long as they are uniquely identifyable.
+
+perhaps we can take a look at how debian does it?
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+<PRE>Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Can whoever uploaded freeglut please fix the mesa require tags.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i.e. the fact that mesa-common-devel requires the mesa
+</I>&gt;<i> lib[64]mesaglut3-devel = 7.11
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Bug 2891
+
+it seems there is only one line to modify in mesa spec file :
+line 18
+17# freeglut should replace mesaglut soon
+18 %define with_mesaglut 1
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+It may be enough to write
+18 %define with_mesaglut 0
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+And that's all folks (Thanks to Thierry who prepared this some months ago)
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+<PRE>Thomas Spuhler a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tuesday, September 27, 2011 03:49:56 pm Philippe DIDIER wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> D.Morgan a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:54 AM, Jani V&#228;limaa &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jani.valimaa at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/9/27 Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Monday, September 26, 2011 07:33:20 pm Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Monday, September 26, 2011 08:34:30 am Anssi Hannula wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 26.09.2011 15:47, nicolas vigier wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011, Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But are you sure about texlive providing it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know. It looks like it's not in the texlive package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My impression (from a few years back I think) is that standalone
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> texi2html is the texlive-era replacement for tetex-texi2html.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Since I need it for lilypond, I'll fix those requires that had a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> require for tetex-texi2html
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it's also needed for gcomprise. It doesn't build without.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But here comes an interesting twist.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> BuildRequires: texi2html in gcomprise is just being ignored, on the BS
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> as well as on the local VM
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Installing it let's me build the package, after uninstalling texi2html
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it doesn't build, but the requires is ignored.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If I change it to something else such as BuildRequires: texi3html
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Then it tells me rightfully texi2html is missing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Your BR isn't ignored, texi2html is also provided by texlive and it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gets installed instead of texi2html.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i am working on new texlive, i can take a look to this issue.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Olav Vitters has rebuilt texlive (with new libpng15) after boklm had
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> erased the wrong Provides : texi2html
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now, if BR texi2html is in a spec, texi2html.rpm will be installed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You may now push ffmpeg, gcompris, to be built...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You may try lilypond
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Remind that lash, qemu, and xen need to have BR modified
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from BR: tetex-texi2html to BR: texi2html too
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Olav Vitters seems to have taken care of quagga
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks a lot.
+</I>
+One package remains with a wrong BR
+Xen spec file still have BR: tetex-texi2html
+if it is rebuilt it needs to be now BR: texi2html
+
+need to provide a bug report ?
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Philippe DIDIER at 03/10/11 18:52 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can whoever uploaded freeglut please fix the mesa require tags.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i.e. the fact that mesa-common-devel requires the mesa
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib[64]mesaglut3-devel = 7.11
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bug 2891
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it seems there is only one line to modify in mesa spec file :
+</I>&gt;<i> line 18
+</I>&gt;<i> 17# freeglut should replace mesaglut soon
+</I>&gt;<i> 18 %define with_mesaglut 1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It may be enough to write
+</I>&gt;<i> 18 %define with_mesaglut 0
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And that's all folks (Thanks to Thierry who prepared this some months ago)
+</I>
+Ahh fair point, an easy change indeed.
+
+OK, bumped it and submitted.
+
+Col
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+<PRE>On Monday, 3 October 2011 15:58:36 Michael Scherer wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Except if I start to replace this by &quot;here is a nice syslinux boot image
+</I>&gt;<i> with a duck&quot;. And then my code is run by syslinux, just because someone
+</I>&gt;<i> took my png picture.
+</I>
+And the same person could say, &quot;Here is my cool plymouth splash screen, use my
+initrd&quot;, and there are 1000 easier ways to exploit this (than trying to
+generate a PNG image with exploit code that someone would like enough to use
+syslinux).
+
+&lt;troll&gt;
+Maybe we need to adopt secure UEFI, and sign our kernels and initial ram disks
+...
+&lt;/troll&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> So no, bundling is not without causing trouble.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So if we take this road of removing bootloader's libs, shall we also
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; remove the jpeg/gz/gcc/... libs too, and maybe for other bootloaders too
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I do understand the need for the application that runs under linux...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; but about the bootloaders...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Unless I am wrong, a bootloader run on ring 0 or can even ( like xen )
+</I>&gt;<i> be used to run the kernel in a specific separate memory space ( ie,
+</I>&gt;<i> virtualisation ). This could open a whole new range of problem ( like
+</I>&gt;<i> the Blue Pill concept code published 5 years ago by Joanna Rutkowska )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I think that bootloader requires more consideration than regular
+</I>&gt;<i> application.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What's your thoughts about it ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Would you agree on keep syslinux untouched regarding the png lib ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For reasons explained before, I would rather disagree.
+</I>
+But, users foolish enough to be tricked into booting malicious code can't
+really be helped.
+
+I think it would be better if syslinux was compatible with current upstream
+libpng, so, if:
+1)There is an upstream bug filed regarding support for current libpng
+2)We have a registry of software building statically or with internal copies
+of libraries, and syslinux is added with a reference to the upstream bug
+
+then I think it is reasonable to build syslinux with internal libpng. Unless
+you are going to mitigate *all* other attack vectors based on 'here, boot my
+random binaries on your system'.
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+Regards,
+Buchan
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+ <B>Michael scherer</B>
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+<PRE>On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 11:30:29AM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Monday, 3 October 2011 15:58:36 Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Except if I start to replace this by &quot;here is a nice syslinux boot image
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; with a duck&quot;. And then my code is run by syslinux, just because someone
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; took my png picture.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And the same person could say, &quot;Here is my cool plymouth splash screen, use my
+</I>&gt;<i> initrd&quot;, and there are 1000 easier ways to exploit this (than trying to
+</I>&gt;<i> generate a PNG image with exploit code that someone would like enough to use
+</I>&gt;<i> syslinux).
+</I>
+Sure, but we can also upload the pics on some gnome-art or something like that.
+
+Now, if we consider every possible exploit requires opening a document as a non
+problem, I guess it would surely reduce our workload on security issue, and
+for sure enhance the confidence.
+
+And while I was not aware of it when I wrote my mail, it already happened :
+
+MDKSA-2006:210
+
+--
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+<PRE>Le 04/10/2011 16:50, Michael scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 11:30:29AM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Monday, 3 October 2011 15:58:36 Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Except if I start to replace this by &quot;here is a nice syslinux boot image
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with a duck&quot;. And then my code is run by syslinux, just because someone
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> took my png picture.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And the same person could say, &quot;Here is my cool plymouth splash screen, use my
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> initrd&quot;, and there are 1000 easier ways to exploit this (than trying to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> generate a PNG image with exploit code that someone would like enough to use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> syslinux).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sure, but we can also upload the pics on some gnome-art or something like that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now, if we consider every possible exploit requires opening a document as a non
+</I>&gt;<i> problem, I guess it would surely reduce our workload on security issue, and
+</I>&gt;<i> for sure enhance the confidence.
+</I>Those situations are not really comparable. Opening a document with the
+corresponding application is a normal usage scenario, whereas
+configuring the boot process is a system administration scenario,
+requiring explicit context change.
+
+&gt;<i> And while I was not aware of it when I wrote my mail, it already happened :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> MDKSA-2006:210
+</I>Nobody said it didn't happened, just than forcing build against system
+version of the library would requires more effort right now, without
+avoiding the need to also rebuild syslinux in case of vulnerability in
+libpng, as it is statically linked. It would just make easier to track
+vulnerability by having a single version, and avoid to patch twice.
+
+--
+Guillaume
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+ <B>JA Magallon</B>
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+Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Actually, that was gnome-settings-daemon, and it was affecting both
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; login screen and user sessions...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I've just submitted a fix (from upstream git).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My package could not be submitted because of the
+</I>&gt;<i> module-init-tools/ldetect issues...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Have you been able to submit it yet ?
+
+TIA
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+&gt;<i> Name : terminator
+</I>&gt;<i> lebedov &lt;lebedov&gt; 0.96-1.mga1:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 151564
+</I>&gt;<i> - Update to 0.96.
+</I>Why ?
+
+(And there are some python-* in updates_testing without bug report for
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+Nearly 3000 Mageia packages are on the unmaintained list. I've prepared
+more detailed version. Here is the list <A HREF="http://kamil.mageia.org.pl/">http://kamil.mageia.org.pl/</A> I
+hope it can help!
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+You can also find on the website some related statistics. This page is
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+I'm beginning to really enjoy mageia, so I wish to be helpful to it. I begin to check packages that I use and that need maintainers [01]
+
+I updated gscan2pdf as a new upstream release was published some days ago.
+
+I didn't see any recommended form for mentor/sponsor requests. The package is located here :
+ <A HREF="http://www.netyl.org/mageia/gscan2pdf-1.0.0-1.mga2.src.rpm">http://www.netyl.org/mageia/gscan2pdf-1.0.0-1.mga2.src.rpm</A>
+ <A HREF="http://www.netyl.org/mageia/gscan2pdf-1.0.0-1.mga2.noarch.rpm">http://www.netyl.org/mageia/gscan2pdf-1.0.0-1.mga2.noarch.rpm</A>
+ <A HREF="http://www.netyl.org/mageia/gscan2pdf.spec">http://www.netyl.org/mageia/gscan2pdf.spec</A>
+
+As I want to help with packaging in a first time, I hope that a mentor will accept to help me in this way.
+
+Thanks to have a look on this package and for your comments.
+
+/Yann
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+<PRE>Received from Manuel Hiebel on Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 06:39:58PM EDT:
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 05 octobre 2011 &#224; 00:35 +0200, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Name : terminator
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; lebedov &lt;lebedov&gt; 0.96-1.mga1:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 151564
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Update to 0.96.
+</I>&gt;<i> Why ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (And there are some python-* in updates_testing without bug report for
+</I>&gt;<i> the QA.)
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> Nearly 3000 Mageia packages are on the unmaintained list. I've prepared
+</I>&gt;<i> more detailed version.
+</I>
+I notice that, according to this list, rsh is still provided. Why?
+Isn't OpenSSH a complete, secure, replacement?
+
+Telnet I can understand, as it is also used to debug network problems.
+rsh should be dumped in order to urge the use of secure alternatives like OpenSSH, in my oppinion.
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+<PRE>Le Mercredi 5 Octobre 2011 00:49:17 Yann a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi dev,
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm beginning to really enjoy mageia, so I wish to be helpful to it. I begin
+</I>&gt;<i> to check packages that I use and that need maintainers [01]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I updated gscan2pdf as a new upstream release was published some days ago.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I didn't see any recommended form for mentor/sponsor requests.
+</I>There's an hidden link in the wiki for that
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring&amp;s[">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring&amp;s[</A>]=packaging
+In summary you need to
+1) create an account on identity
+2) find a mentor
+3) once you get a mentor open a bug report on bugzilla to request an account
+with your ssh key &amp; the name of your mentor
+
+I can help for 2) if needed :p
+
+[...]
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+Regards,
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+
+Sent from my Motorola ATRIX&#8482; 4G on AT&amp;T
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+-----Original message-----
+From: Philippe DIDIER &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">philippedidier at laposte.net</A>&gt;
+To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>
+Sent: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 18:30:41 GMT+00:00
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] texi2html
+
+Thomas Spuhler a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tuesday, September 27, 2011 03:49:56 pm Philippe DIDIER wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> D.Morgan a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:54 AM, Jani V&#228;limaa &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jani.valimaa at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/9/27 Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Monday, September 26, 2011 07:33:20 pm Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Monday, September 26, 2011 08:34:30 am Anssi Hannula wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 26.09.2011 15:47, nicolas vigier wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011, Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But are you sure about texlive providing it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know. It looks like it's not in the texlive package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My impression (from a few years back I think) is that standalone
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> texi2html is the texlive-era replacement for tetex-texi2html.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Since I need it for lilypond, I'll fix those requires that had a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> require for tetex-texi2html
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it's also needed for gcomprise. It doesn't build without.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But here comes an interesting twist.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> BuildRequires: texi2html in gcomprise is just being ignored, on the BS
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> as well as on the local VM
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Installing it let's me build the package, after uninstalling texi2html
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it doesn't build, but the requires is ignored.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If I change it to something else such as BuildRequires: texi3html
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Then it tells me rightfully texi2html is missing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Your BR isn't ignored, texi2html is also provided by texlive and it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gets installed instead of texi2html.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i am working on new texlive, i can take a look to this issue.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Olav Vitters has rebuilt texlive (with new libpng15) after boklm had
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> erased the wrong Provides : texi2html
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now, if BR texi2html is in a spec, texi2html.rpm will be installed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You may now push ffmpeg, gcompris, to be built...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You may try lilypond
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Remind that lash, qemu, and xen need to have BR modified
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from BR: tetex-texi2html to BR: texi2html too
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Olav Vitters seems to have taken care of quagga
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks a lot.
+</I>
+One package remains with a wrong BR
+Xen spec file still have BR: tetex-texi2html
+if it is rebuilt it needs to be now BR: texi2html
+
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+ <B>Florian Hubold</B>
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+<PRE>Am 29.07.2011 10:17, schrieb nicolas vigier:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, 24 Jul 2011, Florian Hubold wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 18.07.2011 20:43, schrieb Oliver Burger:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I didn't look closely enough.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The handbrake make file downloads several archives including the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> license critical faac, while compiling. So this package should be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> removed from Cauldron. Florian Hunold (aka doktor5000) told me, he's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> on it together with Ansi to make it build cleanly.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So please remove the existing handbrake from Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ping? Somebody please remove it from mirrors.
+</I>&gt;<i> Removed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>As per the last meeting nonfree+tainted packages should be removed,
+please also remove handbrake as it currently links to a bundled copy of libfaac.
+It's only in cauldron so far.
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+<PRE>Le mardi 04 octobre 2011 &#224; 18:44 -0400, Lev Givon a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Received from Manuel Hiebel on Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 06:39:58PM EDT:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mercredi 05 octobre 2011 &#224; 00:35 +0200, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Name : terminator
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; lebedov &lt;lebedov&gt; 0.96-1.mga1:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; + Revision: 151564
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - Update to 0.96.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Why ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (And there are some python-* in updates_testing without bug report for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the QA.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Where should they go?
+</I>
+according the policy:
+
+For the most part, an update should consist of a patched build of the
+same version of the package released with the distribution, with a few
+exceptions:
+
+ * Software versions that are no longer supported upstream with
+ updates (firefox and thunderbird seem to fall into this category
+ these days)
+ * Software that is version-bound to an online service (games,
+ virus scanners?) and will only work with the latest version.
+ * We will make exceptions for packages that did not make it
+ into mga1 and are additions to the distribution, provided they
+ do not impact any other packages and can pass full QA.
+
+Updates are not the appropriate place for packages created to satisfy
+certain user's urges for &#8220;the latest&#8221;. These types of builds belong in
+backports.
+
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy</A>
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+&gt;<i> L.G.
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+<PRE>Received from Manuel Hiebel on Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 06:32:04AM EDT:
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 04 octobre 2011 &#224; 18:44 -0400, Lev Givon a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Received from Manuel Hiebel on Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 06:39:58PM EDT:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Le mercredi 05 octobre 2011 &#224; 00:35 +0200, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Name : terminator
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; lebedov &lt;lebedov&gt; 0.96-1.mga1:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; + Revision: 151564
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; - Update to 0.96.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Why ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; (And there are some python-* in updates_testing without bug report for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; the QA.)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Where should they go?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> according the policy:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the most part, an update should consist of a patched build of the
+</I>&gt;<i> same version of the package released with the distribution, with a few
+</I>&gt;<i> exceptions:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Software versions that are no longer supported upstream with
+</I>&gt;<i> updates (firefox and thunderbird seem to fall into this category
+</I>&gt;<i> these days)
+</I>&gt;<i> * Software that is version-bound to an online service (games,
+</I>&gt;<i> virus scanners?) and will only work with the latest version.
+</I>&gt;<i> * We will make exceptions for packages that did not make it
+</I>&gt;<i> into mga1 and are additions to the distribution, provided they
+</I>&gt;<i> do not impact any other packages and can pass full QA.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Updates are not the appropriate place for packages created to satisfy
+</I>&gt;<i> certain user's urges for &#8220;the latest&#8221;. These types of builds belong in
+</I>&gt;<i> backports.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy</A>
+</I>
+Has any decision been made on when the backports repository be
+open for submissions?
+
+ L.G.
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 5 octobre 2011 15:56:58, Lev Givon a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Received from Manuel Hiebel on Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 06:32:04AM EDT:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mardi 04 octobre 2011 &#224; 18:44 -0400, Lev Givon a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Received from Manuel Hiebel on Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 06:39:58PM EDT:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Le mercredi 05 octobre 2011 &#224; 00:35 +0200, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Name : terminator
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; lebedov &lt;lebedov&gt; 0.96-1.mga1:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; + Revision: 151564
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; - Update to 0.96.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Why ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; (And there are some python-* in updates_testing without bug report
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; for the QA.)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Where should they go?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; according the policy:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; For the most part, an update should consist of a patched build of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; same version of the package released with the distribution, with a few
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; exceptions:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * Software versions that are no longer supported upstream with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; updates (firefox and thunderbird seem to fall into this category
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; these days)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * Software that is version-bound to an online service (games,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; virus scanners?) and will only work with the latest version.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * We will make exceptions for packages that did not make it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; into mga1 and are additions to the distribution, provided they
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; do not impact any other packages and can pass full QA.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Updates are not the appropriate place for packages created to satisfy
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; certain user's urges for &#8220;the latest&#8221;. These types of builds belong in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; backports.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Has any decision been made on when the backports repository be
+</I>&gt;<i> open for submissions?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> L.G.
+</I>
+Yes and no. Decision is : as soon as sysadmins are ready. Practically, this
+means that a sysadmin has to find the time to do it, and the proposed technical
+solution can take time to implement. That's why I proposed 2 other solutions
+that would allow to open really soon but haven't really got an answer.
+
+I'll try to have it added as the subject to tonight's packager meeting.
+
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 5 octobre 2011 15:56:58, Lev Givon a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Has any decision been made on when the backports repository be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; open for submissions?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; L.G.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes and no. Decision is : as soon as sysadmins are ready. Practically, this
+</I>&gt;<i> means that a sysadmin has to find the time to do it, and the proposed technical
+</I>&gt;<i> solution can take time to implement. That's why I proposed 2 other solutions
+</I>&gt;<i> that would allow to open really soon but haven't really got an answer.
+</I>
+I would prefer that we do things correctly instead of using temporary
+fix, as it doesn't take much more time. I have started doing this but
+not finished yet.
+
+And we also need to finish the script that would allow qa-team to move
+packages from backports_testing to backports repository, if we don't
+want to be overloaded with package move requests on bugzilla.
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, 05 Oct 2011, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mercredi 5 octobre 2011 15:56:58, Lev Givon a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Has any decision been made on when the backports repository be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; open for submissions?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; L.G.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yes and no. Decision is : as soon as sysadmins are ready. Practically,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this means that a sysadmin has to find the time to do it, and the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; proposed technical solution can take time to implement. That's why I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; proposed 2 other solutions that would allow to open really soon but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; haven't really got an answer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would prefer that we do things correctly instead of using temporary
+</I>&gt;<i> fix, as it doesn't take much more time. I have started doing this but
+</I>&gt;<i> not finished yet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And we also need to finish the script that would allow qa-team to move
+</I>&gt;<i> packages from backports_testing to backports repository, if we don't
+</I>&gt;<i> want to be overloaded with package move requests on bugzilla.
+</I>
+Glad to hear that someone is working on it. My proposal was also a means to
+try to get a result rather than no result at all (a small task being easier to
+start at all than a big one), but if you're working on it I think I can
+withdraw it.
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+Just to say that KDE SC 4.7.2 is available on svn but won't be pushed
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just to say that KDE SC 4.7.2 is available on svn &#160;but won't be pushed
+</I>&gt;<i> because i'm not sure that i can push it currently due to the ldetect
+</I>&gt;<i> issue (kdepimlibs &amp; related package can't have their BR ).
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course if you put the missing library (from mageia1) in your own
+</I>&gt;<i> chroot you'll be able to rebuild everything if you can't wait :p
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll take this time to try also to build &#160;KDE with the gold linker &#160;(
+</I>&gt;<i> as suggested by thierry probably one month ago already ) &amp; if
+</I>&gt;<i> everything is ok i'll commit the change on the BS too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Balcaen John
+</I>&gt;<i> Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+</I>the ldetect issue is workarounded so i think you can push and that it
+will build.
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+<PRE>Le Mercredi 05 Octobre 2011 18:09:07 D.Morgan a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 5:57 PM, John Balcaen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Just to say that KDE SC 4.7.2 is available on svn but won't be pushed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; because i'm not sure that i can push it currently due to the ldetect
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; issue (kdepimlibs &amp; related package can't have their BR ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Of course if you put the missing library (from mageia1) in your own
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; chroot you'll be able to rebuild everything if you can't wait :p
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'll take this time to try also to build KDE with the gold linker (
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; as suggested by thierry probably one month ago already ) &amp; if
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; everything is ok i'll commit the change on the BS too.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Balcaen John
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the ldetect issue is workarounded so i think you can push and that it
+</I>&gt;<i> will build.
+</I>&gt;<i> send me a mail if any pbs i will look at it
+</I>
+how did you workarrounded ?
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+ <B>John Balcaen</B>
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> the ldetect issue is workarounded so i think you can push and that it
+</I>&gt;<i> will build.
+</I>&gt;<i> send me a mail if any pbs i will look at it
+</I>Maybe check.mageia.org is broken because it still reporting ldetect as broken.
+
+Anyway i'll push it then (&amp; redirect the mail about a possible half
+uploaded kde to you :p )
+Thanks for the info,
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+Regards
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+[...]
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> how did you workarrounded ?
+</I>using the same trick as i did locally in fact (i just check my local mirror ) :
+ls *modprobe*
+lib64modprobe0-3.6-17.mga1.x86_64.rpm
+lib64modprobe1-devel-3.16-2.mga2.x86_64.rpm
+lib64modprobe1-3.16-2.mga2.x86_64.rpm
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+Our weekly meeting will take place at 19hUTC on #mageia-dev.
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+&gt;<i> Well, for X.org I did get reports back which drivers were working or not.
+</I>&gt;<i> But I did have to send ping reminders though.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> At least, it would enables more people to:
+</I>&gt;<i> - test
+</I>&gt;<i> - be able to downgrade server &amp; drivers if anything went wrong
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;(wouldn't be possible if x-1.11.0 is put directly in core/release)
+</I>&gt;<i> - contribute fixes (tmb helped fixed bogus drivers for 1.10.0)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> my 2 cents...
+</I>
+So time to push xserver-1.11 into testing
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+<PRE>Le 05/10/2011 01:44, Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 05 October 2011 00:42, Kamil Rytarowski wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Nearly 3000 Mageia packages are on the unmaintained list. I've prepared
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> more detailed version.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I notice that, according to this list, rsh is still provided. Why?
+</I>&gt;<i> Isn't OpenSSH a complete, secure, replacement?
+</I>Security isn't always a concern, and other issues may be more important
+in some context. HPC is a perfect example. Also, they are secure usage
+of rsh (and other tools relying on clear-text protocols), such as OTP
+and kerberos tokens.
+
+&gt;<i> Telnet I can understand, as it is also used to debug network problems.
+</I>&gt;<i> rsh should be dumped in order to urge the use of secure alternatives like OpenSSH, in my oppinion.
+</I>Only old timers use this kind of tools, I guess they know better than
+packagers what they should do... So, as long as there is a volonteer to
+maintain a package, I don't see how dropping it would make the situation
+better for anyone.
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+<PRE>On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 21:18:56 -0300 Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> There's an hidden link in the wiki for that
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring&amp;s[">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring&amp;s[</A>]=packaging
+</I>&gt;<i> In summary you need to
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) create an account on identity
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) find a mentor
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) once you get a mentor open a bug report on bugzilla to request an account
+</I>&gt;<i> with your ssh key &amp; the name of your mentor
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can help for 2) if needed :p
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hi John,
+
+I already checked this pages and some others. It looked like quite &quot;soft&quot; comparing to another wellknown distribution ;-)
+For 1) it's already done since my first mageia install
+For 2), I would appreciate, you know how to contact me ;-)
+
+Regards,
+/Yann
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+&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 3.35-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 152062
+</I>&gt;<i> - new release
+</I>&gt;<i> - disable all the tarballs removed by blino
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;+ blino &lt;blino&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- add back posix man pages (3p) after 3 years of run away
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160;(welcome back pthread_*!)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- add matching posix patches from Fedora
+</I>
+Tu corrigera ce que tu as enlev&#233; par erreur....
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+</I>&gt;<i> Tu corrigera ce que tu as enlev&#233; par erreur....
+</I>Sure :)
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 5 octobre 2011 19:03:18, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Name : kdenlive Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 0.8 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 4.mga2 Build Date: Wed Oct 5 18:54:13
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011 Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Graphical desktop/KDE Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 3700341 License: GPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.kdenlive.org/">http://www.kdenlive.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : A non-linear video editing application for KDE
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Kdenlive is a non-linear video editor for KDE. It relies on a separate
+</I>&gt;<i> renderer, piave, to handle it's rendering. Kdenlive supports multitrack
+</I>&gt;<i> editing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> juancho &lt;juancho&gt; 0.8-4.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 151221
+</I>&gt;<i> - Fixed BUG: 2882
+</I>
+Before tv says it, please add a meaningful short description of the bug you
+are fixing next time :)
+
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+&gt;<i> Le 04/10/2011 16:50, Michael scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 11:30:29AM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Monday, 3 October 2011 15:58:36 Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Except if I start to replace this by &quot;here is a nice syslinux boot image
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; with a duck&quot;. And then my code is run by syslinux, just because someone
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; took my png picture.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; And the same person could say, &quot;Here is my cool plymouth splash screen, use my
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; initrd&quot;, and there are 1000 easier ways to exploit this (than trying to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; generate a PNG image with exploit code that someone would like enough to use
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; syslinux).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Sure, but we can also upload the pics on some gnome-art or something like that.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Now, if we consider every possible exploit requires opening a document as a non
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; problem, I guess it would surely reduce our workload on security issue, and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for sure enhance the confidence.
+</I>&gt;<i> Those situations are not really comparable. Opening a document with the
+</I>&gt;<i> corresponding application is a normal usage scenario, whereas
+</I>&gt;<i> configuring the boot process is a system administration scenario,
+</I>&gt;<i> requiring explicit context change.
+</I>
+This depend on the ease of use. If we have something easy to use to
+change the boot process, I would not consider that as a system
+administration task ( at least, that's not what i do as a sysadmin most
+of the time ).
+
+And the question is that if we start to have exception for boot process
+because that's too complex to do, and because there is likely no
+problem, we are just being lazy. That would not be the first time, nor
+the last, and I do not think we will get ride of bundled libraries
+( since more expert community with more people have trouble to do that,
+and we already traded sanity for convenience the day we packaged firefox
+and chrome ), but not even trying will just make things worst in the
+future.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; And while I was not aware of it when I wrote my mail, it already happened :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; MDKSA-2006:210
+</I>&gt;<i> Nobody said it didn't happened, just than forcing build against system
+</I>&gt;<i> version of the library would requires more effort right now, without
+</I>&gt;<i> avoiding the need to also rebuild syslinux in case of vulnerability in
+</I>&gt;<i> libpng, as it is statically linked. It would just make easier to track
+</I>&gt;<i> vulnerability by having a single version, and avoid to patch twice.
+</I>
+Which is already useful by itself.
+
+If it requires more work for now, that's also because everybody think
+&quot;someone else should do it, I will see later&quot;. Maybe next time, we
+should not push a newer version of anything, and let the other do the
+work. This worked fine for Mageia 1, this worked fine for Debian, so
+maybe we could just go that way if that's easier.
+
+But in the same time pushing latest version of low level and higher
+level component and then complain this make work is just wrong.
+
+Packager like to push newer stuff, except when it mean work for them
+( like mass rebuild and fixing, like gnutls, libpng, python ). That's
+not consistent.
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> juancho &lt;juancho&gt; 0.8-4.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 151221
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Fixed BUG: 2882
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Before tv says it, please add a meaningful short description of the bug you
+</I>&gt;<i> are fixing next time :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Why isn't enough a reference to the bug it self ? if you are
+interested on it you can go and check it out on bugzilla and get all
+the details you want :)
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> juancho &lt;juancho&gt; 0.8-4.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 151221
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Fixed BUG: 2882
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Before tv says it, please add a meaningful short description of the bug you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are fixing next time :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why isn't enough a reference to the bug it self ? if you are
+</I>&gt;<i> interested on it you can go and check it out on bugzilla and get all
+</I>&gt;<i> the details you want :)
+</I>
+The goal is to be able to know what it fixes w/o going though the bugzilla.
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+a good commit log should be:
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+ <B>Erwan Velu</B>
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+I'll rephrase my wondering differently.
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+Syslinux is a modern bootloader and use some libs (a zlib, a png one, a jpeg
+one, maybe other ...).
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+The patch I was talking about is about to change the png lib with the main
+argument about the security. A possible scenario with a png attack.
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+My point is that if we care about the security of the bootloaders regarding
+this kind of scenario, our work is very partial.
+If we want to stay consitent, we have to remove the jpeg lib too, the
+compression libs also.
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+And this is true about all the other bootloaders. Did someone already
+thought about managing the security of the builtin libs inside gfxboot ?
+Do we care about the gunzip code of grub ?
+
+Being that intrusive regarding the static inclusion of this libs inside the
+bootloaders is just a work to report upstream and not the distro side.
+Only focusing on changing the libpng or not of syslinux isn't enough....
+
+Honestly, for me this really sounds like cutting hairs in 4 with a hammer.
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+</I>&gt;<i> The goal is to be able to know what it fixes w/o going though the bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> a good commit log should be:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - in some words what it fixes ( mga #123 )
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Ok I'll have it present next time.
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+--
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+&gt;<i> 2011/10/5 D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the ldetect issue is workarounded so i think you can push and that it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> will build.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> send me a mail if any pbs i will look at it
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe check.mageia.org is broken &#160;because it still reporting ldetect as broken.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyway i'll push it then (&amp; redirect the mail about a possible half
+</I>&gt;<i> uploaded kde to you :p )
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for the info,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>ok KDE SC 4.7.2 is build :)
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+Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just a small headsup...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've just submitted core kernel-3.1.0-0.rc9.1.mga2 to the buildsystem so
+</I>&gt;<i> it will probably start showing up on the mirrors in ~ 4 - 8 hours.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Have fun...
+</I>
+I had ;)...
+
+Works fine in most of boxes, but I have a 'little' problem with others.
+They have IDE disks, and 3.1 kernel insists on driving them with IDE driver
+(pata_acpi) instead of SATA emulation (ata_piix). So those boxes
+which booted/mounted root via UUID survived and at least booted, using
+hda as root. But others where I had drives named by device /sed/sda1, did
+not even boot.
+
+For the moment I could try to change the boot to LABEL or UUID, but I think this
+is a bug, or at least a change wrt previous kernels.
+
+I don't know if it is a problem with in-kernel detection or with the generation
+of initrds, as new module-init-tools make initrd scripts complain about:
+
+direwolf:~# bootloader-config --action rebuild-initrds
+WARNING: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated, please use /etc/modprobe.d
+WARNING: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+
+Some of this I think can be corrected:
+/lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat -&gt; /etc/modprobe.d/compat.conf
+ (btw, is it still needed ? it was for migration from 2.4 to 2.6 and we are at 3.1 :-O )
+/etc/modules &lt;==== I think it is unused !
+/etc/modprobe.preload -&gt; deprectated for /etc/modprobe.preload.d
+/etc/modprobe.conf -&gt; /etc/modprobe.d/modprobe.conf
+ or split in /etc/modprobe.d/[scsi-host.conf, usb.conf, ....]
+
+But this late one generates other problem, /sbin/mkinitrd-mkinitrd references
+/etc/modprobe.conf everywhere. If it just changes location, it is just a change,
+but if it is split, ????
+
+werewolf:~# egrep mod.*conf /sbin/mkinitrd-mkinitrd
+modulefile=/etc/modules.conf &lt;============ ?????
+modulefile=/etc/modprobe.conf
+ modulefile=/etc/conf.modules
+ echo &quot;options $module $options&quot; &gt;&gt; $MNTIMAGE/etc/modprobe.conf
+ if [ &quot;$module&quot; = &quot;zfcp&quot; -a -f /etc/zfcp.conf ]; then
+
+And last, are modprobe binaries in initrd the same as in distro ? If the answer is yes,
+then probably the $MNTIMAGE/etc/modprobe.conf generated for initrd should also be relocated....
+
+In short, a little chaos. I don't know if it is affecting something actually.
+
+Hope this helps, at least as a detection of the problem.
+
+by
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+&gt;<i> Name : logrotate Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> shlomif &lt;shlomif&gt; 3.8.1-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 152482
+</I>&gt;<i> - New version by barjac
+</I>by barjac ?
+what does it mean ?
+is it a fork ?
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 01:08:14 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Actually, that was gnome-settings-daemon, and it was affecting both
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; login screen and user sessions...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I've just submitted a fix (from upstream git).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My package could not be submitted because of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> module-init-tools/ldetect issues...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Have you been able to submit it yet ?
+</I>
+Yep, it's gone through last night, after the ldetect/modprobe fix.
+It should be available now.
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+&gt;<i> On 5 October 2011 20:40, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 3.35-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 152062
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - new release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - disable all the tarballs removed by blino
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;+ blino &lt;blino&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- add back posix man pages (3p) after 3 years of run away
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160;(welcome back pthread_*!)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- add matching posix patches from Fedora
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Tu corrigera ce que tu as enlev&#233; par erreur....
+</I>
+Uh?
+I removed nothing, but you have removed all the stuff I added
+previously...
+
+Please explain why you did this
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 3.35-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 152062
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - new release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - disable all the tarballs removed by blino
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;+ blino &lt;blino&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- add back posix man pages (3p) after 3 years of run away
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160;(welcome back pthread_*!)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- add matching posix patches from Fedora
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Tu corrigera ce que tu as enlev&#233; par erreur....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Uh?
+</I>&gt;<i> I removed nothing, but you have removed all the stuff I added
+</I>&gt;<i> previously...
+</I>
+Come on, you're big boy, you can checkout older svn or browse history
+on your own...
+
+&gt;<i> Please explain why you did this
+</I>
+B/c you mistakely removed every tarball
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/man-pages/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst?view=log">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/man-pages/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst?view=log</A>
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/man-pages/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst?r1=5398&amp;r2=132412">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/man-pages/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst?r1=5398&amp;r2=132412</A>
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+&gt;<i> On 6 October 2011 19:50, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 3.35-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 152062
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - new release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - disable all the tarballs removed by blino
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;+ blino &lt;blino&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- add back posix man pages (3p) after 3 years of run away
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160;(welcome back pthread_*!)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- add matching posix patches from Fedora
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Tu corrigera ce que tu as enlev&#233; par erreur....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Uh?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I removed nothing, but you have removed all the stuff I added
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> previously...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Come on, you're big boy, you can checkout older svn or browse history
+</I>&gt;<i> on your own...
+</I>
+Yeah, I removed nothing in the spec file.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Please explain why you did this
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> B/c you mistakely removed every tarball
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/man-pages/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst?view=log">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/man-pages/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst?view=log</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/man-pages/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst?r1=5398&amp;r2=132412">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/man-pages/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst?r1=5398&amp;r2=132412</A>
+</I>
+That's what mdvsync did, because the removed tarballs are commented out
+and unused in the spec file.
+
+Please add back the tarballs I added for POSIX man pages.
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+<PRE>On 6 October 2011 20:01, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Please explain why you did this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> B/c you mistakely removed every tarball
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/man-pages/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst?view=log">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/man-pages/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst?view=log</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/man-pages/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst?r1=5398&amp;r2=132412">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/man-pages/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst?r1=5398&amp;r2=132412</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's what mdvsync did, because the removed tarballs are commented out
+</I>&gt;<i> and unused in the spec file.
+</I>
+No.
+Look again.
+It's not me who removed them
+It's you.
+
+&gt;<i> Please add back the tarballs I added for POSIX man pages.
+</I>
+I didn't removed them.
+You didn't actually upload them but removed everything else.
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+<PRE>Hi fellows,
+
+I should have started by writting this email, but later is better that
+never.
+I'd like to share with you the work I started on syslinux : I
+registered myself of maintainer of it.
+
+Under Mandriva, we were running Syslinux 3.8x with the following
+configuration
+- gfxboot patch (unsupported upstream as very intrusive)
+- isohybrid patch from pterjan
+- a remplacement of the built-in pnglib
+- a packaging with 3 versions of isolinux to load a different
+configuration file regarding the processor capabilities (x86/x64)
+
+I did upgrade to 4.04 for
+- using the gfxboot com32 module which is now upsteam
+- using a single version of isolinux
+- simplifying the integration of upstream releases into mga
+- an up to date version of HDT
+
+Gfxboot module requested an update of the gfxboot tools &amp; theme. This
+work is already done and works properly.
+
+The pnglib patch management is under discussions in another thread.
+
+The isohybrid patch have to be reworked as isohybrid is now named
+isohybrid.pl, a C version of isohybrid now exists also. Rework of this
+patch should be quite easy to do once we'll have understood all the
+tricks inside ;) That's shouldn't be a big deal though.
+
+My plan for using a single version of isolinux is the following :
+Using syslinux's capability to load various kernel &amp; configuration files
+regarding some hw capabilites (the cpu in this case). I'm ending a
+prototype that will simulate the loading of different entries regarding
+the cpu arch. This will greatly simplify the management of the boot
+procedure and especially for the dual arch isos.
+
+I'm also working for having some specific entries for the virtualized
+world like kvm or virtualbox (cf bug 44).
+
+4.04 is also now providing a new package called extlinux which provides
+extlinux &amp; the mbr file needed to make a very powerful bootloader for
+ext* &amp; btrfs filesystems (more to come).
+
+Switching to this new scheme will ease updates by using upstream's
+version of syslinux.
+This will also require working on BCD to integrate this new
+configuration files. That shouldn't be hard neither.
+
+I'm part of the upstream project, so if some more features/ideas are
+coming, I'll be more than happy to help you.
+
+Cheers,
+Erwan
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+Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Le Jeudi 6 Octobre 2011 18:16:11 Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Name : logrotate Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; shlomif &lt;shlomif&gt; 3.8.1-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 152482
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - New version by barjac
+</I>&gt;<i> by barjac ?
+</I>&gt;<i> what does it mean ?
+</I>&gt;<i> is it a fork ?
+</I>
+No, it's not a fork. I just submitted a new version of the package after I
+applied a patch by &quot;barjac&quot;, who is one of my apprentices. Nothing to worry
+about.
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+<PRE>Op donderdag 06 oktober 2011 20:18:30 schreef Erwan Velu:
+&gt;<i> Hi fellows,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I should have started by writting this email, but later is better that
+</I>&gt;<i> never.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd like to share with you the work I started on syslinux : I
+</I>&gt;<i> registered myself of maintainer of it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Under Mandriva, we were running Syslinux 3.8x with the following
+</I>&gt;<i> configuration
+</I>&gt;<i> - gfxboot patch (unsupported upstream as very intrusive)
+</I>&gt;<i> - isohybrid patch from pterjan
+</I>&gt;<i> - a remplacement of the built-in pnglib
+</I>&gt;<i> - a packaging with 3 versions of isolinux to load a different
+</I>&gt;<i> configuration file regarding the processor capabilities (x86/x64)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did upgrade to 4.04 for
+</I>&gt;<i> - using the gfxboot com32 module which is now upsteam
+</I>&gt;<i> - using a single version of isolinux
+</I>&gt;<i> - simplifying the integration of upstream releases into mga
+</I>&gt;<i> - an up to date version of HDT
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Gfxboot module requested an update of the gfxboot tools &amp; theme. This
+</I>&gt;<i> work is already done and works properly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The pnglib patch management is under discussions in another thread.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The isohybrid patch have to be reworked as isohybrid is now named
+</I>&gt;<i> isohybrid.pl, a C version of isohybrid now exists also. Rework of this
+</I>&gt;<i> patch should be quite easy to do once we'll have understood all the
+</I>&gt;<i> tricks inside ;) That's shouldn't be a big deal though.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My plan for using a single version of isolinux is the following :
+</I>&gt;<i> Using syslinux's capability to load various kernel &amp; configuration files
+</I>&gt;<i> regarding some hw capabilites (the cpu in this case). I'm ending a
+</I>&gt;<i> prototype that will simulate the loading of different entries regarding
+</I>&gt;<i> the cpu arch. This will greatly simplify the management of the boot
+</I>&gt;<i> procedure and especially for the dual arch isos.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm also working for having some specific entries for the virtualized
+</I>&gt;<i> world like kvm or virtualbox (cf bug 44).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 4.04 is also now providing a new package called extlinux which provides
+</I>&gt;<i> extlinux &amp; the mbr file needed to make a very powerful bootloader for
+</I>&gt;<i> ext* &amp; btrfs filesystems (more to come).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Switching to this new scheme will ease updates by using upstream's
+</I>&gt;<i> version of syslinux.
+</I>&gt;<i> This will also require working on BCD to integrate this new
+</I>&gt;<i> configuration files. That shouldn't be hard neither.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm part of the upstream project, so if some more features/ideas are
+</I>&gt;<i> coming, I'll be more than happy to help you.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Erwan
+</I>
+nice work!
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+&gt;<i> On 6 October 2011 20:01, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Please explain why you did this
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> B/c you mistakely removed every tarball
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/man-pages/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst?view=log">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/man-pages/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst?view=log</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/man-pages/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst?r1=5398&amp;r2=132412">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/man-pages/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst?r1=5398&amp;r2=132412</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's what mdvsync did, because the removed tarballs are commented out
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and unused in the spec file.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No.
+</I>&gt;<i> Look again.
+</I>&gt;<i> It's not me who removed them
+</I>&gt;<i> It's you.
+</I>
+Yes, if you mentionned the old and unused tarballs, I removed them (that
+was an automatic action through mgarepo sync).
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Please add back the tarballs I added for POSIX man pages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I didn't removed them.
+</I>&gt;<i> You didn't actually upload them but removed everything else.
+</I>
+That's really weird, the package managed to build with my new POSIX
+man-pages, but the sha1.lst was actually empty.
+I don't know how it could became empty, I use the mgarepo upload
+and sync commands...
+
+I guess the tarballs have been removed during the switch to http, maybe
+because sha1.lst was empty.
+
+That was quite some confusion :)
+I'll restore the tarballs, but I don't know who to blame!
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+<PRE>Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Please add back the tarballs I added for POSIX man pages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I didn't removed them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You didn't actually upload them but removed everything else.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's really weird, the package managed to build with my new POSIX
+</I>&gt;<i> man-pages, but the sha1.lst was actually empty.
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know how it could became empty, I use the mgarepo upload
+</I>&gt;<i> and sync commands...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess the tarballs have been removed during the switch to http, maybe
+</I>&gt;<i> because sha1.lst was empty.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That was quite some confusion :)
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll restore the tarballs, but I don't know who to blame!
+</I>
+Done now, I added back the files I &quot;added&quot; 2 revisions before.
+That's still a mistery, since man-pages-3.32-3.mga2 from the repo really
+contained the POSIX man pages, and I did not modify the package after that.
+
+Thanks for the hint, but don't blame so fast next time :p
+
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+&gt;&gt;<i> I'm part of the upstream project, so if some more features/ideas are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> coming, I'll be more than happy to help you.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> nice work!
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+And he's not the only culprit.
+I have noticed that users of these mailinglists have a habbit of quoting the entire previous posts and responds with either a top-, or &quot;bottom&quot;-post.
+Some even responds in the quoted text, like they should, but forget to only quote the relevant part.
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+I've also been thinking of starting to respond to such posts and point out that they are polluting the list with useless garbage.
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 06 octobre 2011 &#224; 10:54 +0200, Erwan Velu a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I think part of the point I noticed didn't got understood/seen by
+</I>&gt;<i> people answering on this topic.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll rephrase my wondering differently.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Syslinux is a modern bootloader and use some libs (a zlib, a png one,
+</I>&gt;<i> a jpeg one, maybe other ...).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The patch I was talking about is about to change the png lib with the
+</I>&gt;<i> main argument about the security. A possible scenario with a png
+</I>&gt;<i> attack.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My point is that if we care about the security of the bootloaders
+</I>&gt;<i> regarding this kind of scenario, our work is very partial.
+</I>
+Being unfinished and partial do not mean it should not be started.
+
+&gt;<i> If we want to stay consitent, we have to remove the jpeg lib too, the
+</I>&gt;<i> compression libs also.
+</I>
+The question is not remove, but rather &quot;not bundle a library&quot; which is
+different. IE follow the policy, because it ease update and tracking of
+security issues ( and in fact issues that are not security related ).
+
+For example, using a bundled library mean fixing the same security bug
+several time, but also the same regular bug twice, be it runtime bug, or
+just compilation problem. A library who suffer from such issues is
+ffmpeg, bundled several time everywhere ( and worst, that make no effort
+to ease the work of unbundling it ).
+
+So far, the 2 arguments ( or at least, those that I understood ) are :
+
+- there is others problem, so why should we fix this one ?
+Which is just a bad reason.
+
+- that's intrusive, that translate to &quot;we have to maintain it and that
+take ressources&quot;, and I would say that maintainance would maybe less a
+issue if we pushed the change to upstream ( or at least correctly
+explain our problem with bundling library, and given similar policies
+exist for Fedora and Debian
+( <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:No_Bundled_Libraries">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:No_Bundled_Libraries</A> ), that
+should not be a too orthodox point of view . But yes, maintainance is a
+issue.
+
+So again and as said before, if using libpng 1.5 is such a problem, and
+by extension any other important upgrade like gnutls 3.0 for example,
+but the same could apply to python, etc ), maybe we should decide to not
+upgrade lower level components at all until others distros did the hard
+work. Fedora would surely take care of that sooner or later, and since
+they push upstream their patches, we can just wait some months.
+
+Of course, the side effect would be to have slightly older softwares
+( which would not be so bad ), and to not attract people who like
+innovation, need newer libraries or who like to fix things ( who
+unfortunately are also the kind of people we need to do the distribution
+).
+
+&gt;<i> And this is true about all the other bootloaders. Did someone already
+</I>&gt;<i> thought about managing the security of the builtin libs inside
+</I>&gt;<i> gfxboot ?
+</I>
+Well, since you mention it, yes, we should investigate. But I guess that
+since that's not a fun task, no one will be motivated to do it.
+
+&gt;<i> Do we care about the gunzip code of grub ?
+</I>
+Grub developpers do care of what they include, and according to the
+snapshot of grub 2 sitting on my disk, they completely forked some code
+from inflate.c dating back to 1992 to add several features. At least,
+that's the part I found about gunzip code.
+
+They also rewrote a png loader ( because they do not need write
+operation, just read ) among others.
+
+( grub legacy being dead, no one care about anything about its code )
+
+&gt;<i> Being that intrusive regarding the static inclusion of this libs
+</I>&gt;<i> inside the bootloaders is just a work to report upstream and not the
+</I>&gt;<i> distro side.
+</I>
+That's the job of the maintainer of the package to report the issue
+upstream. But I think upstream do not usualy have the same vision as
+distribution about this ( or he would not have bundled code in the first
+place ).
+
+&gt;<i> Only focusing on changing the libpng or not of syslinux isn't
+</I>&gt;<i> enough....
+</I>
+That's why I think we have a (maybe unwritten, but for sure a quite old
+) policy of avoiding bundled library and use system one instead. Several
+are unnoticed ( because people do not care about this, or because that's
+too hard and not fun ), and that's quite bad, but that's IMHO not a
+reason to deliberately do it. So that's not about syslinux and libpng
+only.
+
+
+And if you think this is not enough, you can surely help us to get to
+the goal of &quot;being enough&quot;.
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+<PRE>Le 07/10/2011 01:44, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> So far, the 2 arguments ( or at least, those that I understood ) are :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - there is others problem, so why should we fix this one ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Which is just a bad reason.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - that's intrusive, that translate to &quot;we have to maintain it and that
+</I>&gt;<i> take ressources&quot;, and I would say that maintainance would maybe less a
+</I>&gt;<i> issue if we pushed the change to upstream ( or at least correctly
+</I>&gt;<i> explain our problem with bundling library, and given similar policies
+</I>&gt;<i> exist for Fedora and Debian
+</I>&gt;<i> ( <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:No_Bundled_Libraries">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:No_Bundled_Libraries</A> ), that
+</I>&gt;<i> should not be a too orthodox point of view . But yes, maintainance is a
+</I>&gt;<i> issue.
+</I>You're missing the point: this is not 'statically linking against a
+private version of a library instead of dynamically linking the system
+one', but 'statically linking against a private version of a library
+instead of statically linking againt the system one', which makes the
+comparaison cases slightly biased.
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> in cauldron we now have the latest texlive version.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Please tell me if some builds are broken with this.
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
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+</I>&gt;<i> in cauldron we now have the latest texlive version.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please tell me if some builds are broken with this.
+</I>
+Installation failed: file /usr/bin/updmap from install of
+ texlive-texmf-20110705-1.mga2.noarch conflicts with file from
+ package texlive-20100722-39.mga2.x86_64
+ texlive-texmf = 20110705 is needed by texlive-20110705-1.mga2.x86_64
+ texlive-texmf &lt; 20110705 conflicts with texlive-20110705-1.mga2.x86_64
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and nicolas vigier at 07/10/11 11:34 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 07 Oct 2011, D.Morgan wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in cauldron we now have the latest texlive version.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please tell me if some builds are broken with this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Installation failed: file /usr/bin/updmap from install of
+</I>&gt;<i> texlive-texmf-20110705-1.mga2.noarch conflicts with file from
+</I>&gt;<i> package texlive-20100722-39.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> texlive-texmf = 20110705 is needed by texlive-20110705-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> texlive-texmf &lt; 20110705 conflicts with texlive-20110705-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I got that too. Worked fine if I installed them in the same txn from the
+command line. Likely just needs some conflicts to ease upgrades.
+
+I'd collect any other errors first before submitting a new build just
+for this as the 350Mb download may be a bit much for some :D
+
+Good work!
+
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> dmorgan &lt;dmorgan&gt; 20100722-37.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 119211
+</I>&gt;<i> - Backport mdv commit 641574
+</I>
+Another collateral damage:
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
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+</I>&gt;<i> Just a small headsup...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've just submitted core kernel-3.1.0-0.rc9.1.mga2 to the buildsystem so it
+</I>&gt;<i> will probably start showing up on the mirrors in ~ 4 - 8 hours.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Have fun...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Great!!
+
+For the ones with Intel gfx cards out there, expect some nice performance
+improvements for free (
+<A HREF="http://dodonov.net/blog/2011/10/03/a-first-post-about-intel-linux-graphics-and-their-friends/">http://dodonov.net/blog/2011/10/03/a-first-post-about-intel-linux-graphics-and-their-friends/</A>)
+:<i>)
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+
+Maybe this question will demonstrate that I have no experience with 64 bits systems, but I don't mind it :)
+
+When installing the git package, several dependencies are pulled, but two of them come from 32 bits media:
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at localhost</A> ~]# LC_ALL=C urpmi git
+To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed:
+ Package Version Release Arch
+(medium &quot;Core Release&quot;)
+ cvs 1.12.13 18.mga1 x86_64 (suggested)
+ git 1.7.4.4 2.mga1 x86_64
+ git-arch 1.7.4.4 2.mga1 x86_64 (suggested)
+ git-core 1.7.4.4 2.mga1 x86_64
+ git-core-oldies 1.7.4.4 2.mga1 x86_64 (suggested)
+ git-cvs 1.7.4.4 2.mga1 x86_64 (suggested)
+ git-email 1.7.4.4 2.mga1 x86_64
+ git-prompt 1.7.4.4 2.mga1 x86_64 (suggested)
+ git-svn 1.7.4.4 2.mga1 x86_64
+ gitk 1.7.4.4 2.mga1 x86_64
+ perl-Digest-HMAC 1.20.0 2.mga1 noarch (suggested)
+ perl-Git 1.7.4.4 2.mga1 x86_64
+(medium &quot;Core Updates&quot;)
+ perl-SVN 1.6.17 1.1.mga1 x86_64
+(medium &quot;Core 32bit Release&quot;)
+ perl-Authen-SASL 2.150.0 3.mga1 noarch (suggested)
+ perl-Error 0.170.160 1.mga1 noarch
+23MB of additional disk space will be used.
+4.7MB of packages will be retrieved.
+
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+I don't understand why perl-Authen-SASL and perl-Error are installed from 32 bits media instead of the 64 bits Core Release.
+
+Do you have any clue?
+
+Samuel
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+<PRE>On 7 October 2011 21:28, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe this question will demonstrate that I have no experience with 64 bits systems, but I don't mind it :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When installing the git package, several dependencies are pulled, but two of them come from 32 bits media:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at localhost</A> ~]# LC_ALL=C urpmi git
+</I>&gt;<i> To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; Package &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Version &#160; &#160; &#160;Release &#160; &#160; &#160; Arch
+</I>&gt;<i> (medium &quot;Core Release&quot;)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;cvs &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;1.12.13 &#160; &#160; &#160;18.mga1 &#160; &#160; &#160; x86_64 &#160;(suggested)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;git &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;1.7.4.4 &#160; &#160; &#160;2.mga1 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;git-arch &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 1.7.4.4 &#160; &#160; &#160;2.mga1 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;x86_64 &#160;(suggested)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;git-core &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 1.7.4.4 &#160; &#160; &#160;2.mga1 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;git-core-oldies &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;1.7.4.4 &#160; &#160; &#160;2.mga1 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;x86_64 &#160;(suggested)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;git-cvs &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;1.7.4.4 &#160; &#160; &#160;2.mga1 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;x86_64 &#160;(suggested)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;git-email &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;1.7.4.4 &#160; &#160; &#160;2.mga1 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;git-prompt &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 1.7.4.4 &#160; &#160; &#160;2.mga1 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;x86_64 &#160;(suggested)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;git-svn &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;1.7.4.4 &#160; &#160; &#160;2.mga1 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;gitk &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 1.7.4.4 &#160; &#160; &#160;2.mga1 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;perl-Digest-HMAC &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 1.20.0 &#160; &#160; &#160; 2.mga1 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;noarch &#160;(suggested)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;perl-Git &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 1.7.4.4 &#160; &#160; &#160;2.mga1 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> (medium &quot;Core Updates&quot;)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;perl-SVN &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 1.6.17 &#160; &#160; &#160; 1.1.mga1 &#160; &#160; &#160;x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> (medium &quot;Core 32bit Release&quot;)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;perl-Authen-SASL &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 2.150.0 &#160; &#160; &#160;3.mga1 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;noarch &#160;(suggested)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;perl-Error &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 0.170.160 &#160; &#160;1.mga1 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> 23MB of additional disk space will be used.
+</I>&gt;<i> 4.7MB of packages will be retrieved.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't understand why perl-Authen-SASL and perl-Error are installed from 32 bits media instead of the 64 bits Core Release.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you have any clue?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+They are noarch - so it doesn't matter overly where it comes from.
+
+There was a thread a few weeks ago about moving where the noarch
+packages are stored, but I cant remeber the title of the thread.
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+<PRE>Samuel Verschelde skrev 7.10.2011 23:28:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe this question will demonstrate that I have no experience with 64 bits systems, but I don't mind it :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When installing the git package, several dependencies are pulled, but two of them come from 32 bits media:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (medium &quot;Core 32bit Release&quot;)
+</I>&gt;<i> perl-Authen-SASL 2.150.0 3.mga1 noarch (suggested)
+</I>&gt;<i> perl-Error 0.170.160 1.mga1 noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> 23MB of additional disk space will be used.
+</I>&gt;<i> 4.7MB of packages will be retrieved.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't understand why perl-Authen-SASL and perl-Error are installed from 32 bits media instead of the 64 bits Core Release.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you have any clue?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Because they are noarch we dont care from wich arch repo it comes from
+as it's the same package.
+
+--
+Thomas
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+ <B>Scott Chevalley</B>
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+<PRE>About a month ago I transisitioned from Mandriva Cooker over to Mageia Cauldron,
+basically by creating another partition and doing a clean install of Mageia on
+it, but mounting my old boot and home partitions. I've noticed something
+strange and would like to know how to fix it.
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+I just updated and the new kernels (3.0.6) got installed. I went and looked and
+the UUID for the resume/swap partition is that of an old partition I used to
+have and is not the current UUID of my swap partition. I'm wondering what is
+putting that in there and where is it getting if from. It's annoying having to
+go edit the grub menu.lst file after installing a kernel to fix that line.
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
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+</I>&gt;<i> in cauldron we now have the latest texlive version.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please tell me if some builds are broken with this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The update added these to texlive-texmf:
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+Is there really a reason to use those here?
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+AFAIK the only big advantage is shortened build time, but doesn't this
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+&gt;<i> About a month ago I transisitioned from Mandriva Cooker over to Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> Cauldron, basically by creating another partition and doing a clean
+</I>&gt;<i> install of Mageia on it, but mounting my old boot and home partitions.
+</I>&gt;<i> I've noticed something strange and would like to know how to fix it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just updated and the new kernels (3.0.6) got installed. I went and
+</I>&gt;<i> looked and the UUID for the resume/swap partition is that of an old
+</I>&gt;<i> partition I used to have and is not the current UUID of my swap partition.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm wondering what is putting that in there and where is it getting if
+</I>&gt;<i> from. It's annoying having to go edit the grub menu.lst file after
+</I>&gt;<i> installing a kernel to fix that line.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Scott
+</I>
+they are noarch packages.
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+ie: can be used for any arch
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+&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde skrev 7.10.2011 23:28:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe this question will demonstrate that I have no experience with 64 bits
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> systems, but I don't mind it :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> When installing the git package, several dependencies are pulled, but two of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> them come from 32 bits media:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (medium &quot;Core 32bit Release&quot;)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> perl-Authen-SASL 2.150.0 3.mga1 noarch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (suggested)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> perl-Error 0.170.160 1.mga1 noarch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 23MB of additional disk space will be used.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 4.7MB of packages will be retrieved.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't understand why perl-Authen-SASL and perl-Error are installed from 32
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bits media instead of the 64 bits Core Release.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Do you have any clue?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Because they are noarch we dont care from wich arch repo it comes from as
+</I>&gt;<i> it's the same package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>AFAICT there is an actual problem underneath this, f.ex. when using virtual
+provides to install packages,
+but the cases are really rare where this happens to non-noarch-packages. But
+i've seen a case where
+an i586 package was preferred over x86_64, but can't really remember which :(
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> About a month ago I transisitioned from Mandriva Cooker over to Mageia
+</I>Cauldron,
+&gt;<i> basically by creating another partition and doing a clean install of
+</I>Mageia on
+&gt;<i> it, but mounting my old boot and home partitions. I've noticed something
+</I>&gt;<i> strange and would like to know how to fix it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just updated and the new kernels (3.0.6) got installed. I went and
+</I>looked and
+&gt;<i> the UUID for the resume/swap partition is that of an old partition I used
+</I>to
+&gt;<i> have and is not the current UUID of my swap partition. I'm wondering what
+</I>is
+&gt;<i> putting that in there and where is it getting if from. It's annoying
+</I>having to
+&gt;<i> go edit the grub menu.lst file after installing a kernel to fix that line.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Scott
+</I>
+Maybe Mageia is using both swaps? And because of that just uses the older
+one in grub?
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+&gt;<i> About a month ago I transisitioned from Mandriva Cooker over to Mageia Cauldron,
+</I>&gt;<i> basically by creating another partition and doing a clean install of Mageia on
+</I>&gt;<i> it, but mounting my old boot and home partitions. I've noticed something
+</I>&gt;<i> strange and would like to know how to fix it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just updated and the new kernels (3.0.6) got installed. I went and looked and
+</I>&gt;<i> the UUID for the resume/swap partition is that of an old partition I used to
+</I>&gt;<i> have and is not the current UUID of my swap partition. I'm wondering what is
+</I>&gt;<i> putting that in there and where is it getting if from. It's annoying having to
+</I>&gt;<i> go edit the grub menu.lst file after installing a kernel to fix that line.
+</I>
+You should give us the file you're using, and what you're changing,
+because it's not really clear.
+
+For me, the previous resume value is kept when installing a new kernel.
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+</I>&gt;<i> On Oct 8, 2011 12:50 AM, &quot;Scott Chevalley&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">avalon at osguru.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">avalon at osguru.org</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I just updated and the new kernels (3.0.6) got installed. I went
+</I>&gt;<i> and looked and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the UUID for the resume/swap partition is that of an old partition I
+</I>&gt;<i> used to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; have and is not the current UUID of my swap partition.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Maybe Mageia is using both swaps? And because of that just uses the
+</I>&gt;<i> older one in grub?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Does a swap partition with the old UUID still exist ? If so, then
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+I've just pushed some changes that disable OSS sound under PulseAudio
+sound profile.
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+If you want to use OSS apps with PulseAudio, please install &quot;ossp&quot;
+package which I've also just submitted.
+
+I think ultimately we'll disable ALSA OSS emulation completely and use
+ossp in both PA and non-PA modes but I hear that the non-PA usage isn't
+quite as nice, so I'm holding off doing this just yet.
+
+The benefit of this is that we can remove soundwrapper and all the
+various patches and kludges added for that.
+
+We'll hopefully see some support for mmap mode in ossp soon and then we
+should have a fairly robust system for supporting legacy apps (such as
+some old, but still perfectly playable games) which only speak OSS.
+
+After installing ossp, you'll have to enable it with &quot;systemctl enable
+osspd.service&quot;
+
+Note: At the moment, there is an issue setting ACL on /dev/dsp so you'll
+need to run something like:
+
+ sudo setfacl -m user:$USER:rw- /dev/{dsp,mixer}
+
+after logging in until I can work out how this is done :D
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> tv&lt;tv&gt; 1:6.14.2-2.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 153086
+</I>&gt;<i> - rebuild for xserver-1.11
+</I>
+Unfortunately no, as Colin pushed 1.11.1 to core/updates_testing, not
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+&gt;&gt;<i> tv&lt;tv&gt; &#160;1:6.14.2-2.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 153086
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - rebuild for xserver-1.11
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+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunately no, as Colin pushed 1.11.1 to core/updates_testing, not
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+&gt;<i> I've just pushed some changes that disable OSS sound under PulseAudio
+</I>&gt;<i> sound profile.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want to use OSS apps with PulseAudio, please install &quot;ossp&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> package which I've also just submitted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think ultimately we'll disable ALSA OSS emulation completely and use
+</I>&gt;<i> ossp in both PA and non-PA modes but I hear that the non-PA usage isn't
+</I>&gt;<i> quite as nice, so I'm holding off doing this just yet.
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I ran Claire's depcheck script (in its latest version) against all packages in
+</I>&gt;<i> Core Updates. It ran almost all night, and here are the results:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> *** akonadi-devel ***
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Running checks for &quot;akonadi-devel&quot; using media
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Core Release&quot; and &quot;Core Updates&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia release 1 (Official) for i586
+</I>&gt;<i> Latest version found in &quot;Core Release&quot; is akonadi-devel-1.5.2-2.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> Latest version found in &quot;Core Updates&quot; is akonadi-devel-1.5.3-0.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> The following packages will require linking:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> libaio1-0.3.109-2.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libboost_program_options1.44.0-1.44.0-6.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> perl-DBI-1.616.0-3.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> qt4-database-plugin-mysql-4.7.3-1.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> qt4-database-plugin-mysql-4.7.4-1.2.mga1 (Core Updates Testing)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> // Note: after the qt4 update will be pushed qt4-database-plugin-mysql will
+</I>&gt;<i> not require linking anymore
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> *** calibre ***
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Running checks for &quot;calibre&quot; using media
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Core Release&quot; and &quot;Core Updates&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia release 1 (Official) for i586
+</I>&gt;<i> Latest version found in &quot;Core Release&quot; is calibre-0.7.32-3.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> Latest version found in &quot;Core Updates&quot; is calibre-0.8.6-0.1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> The following packages will require linking:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> fonts-ttf-liberation-1.06.0-5.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> *** kdebase4-runtime ***
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Running checks for &quot;kdebase4-runtime&quot; using media
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Core Release&quot; and &quot;Core Updates&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia release 1 (Official) for i586
+</I>&gt;<i> Latest version found in &quot;Core Release&quot; is kdebase4-runtime-4.6.3-2.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> Latest version found in &quot;Core Updates&quot; is kdebase4-runtime-4.6.5-1.1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> The following packages will require linking:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> libclucene0-0.9.21b-3.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libiodbc2-3.52.7-2.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> virtuoso-opensource-6.1.2-1.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> *** kdebase4-workspace-devel ***
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Running checks for &quot;kdebase4-workspace-devel&quot; using media
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Core Release&quot; and &quot;Core Updates&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia release 1 (Official) for i586
+</I>&gt;<i> Latest version found in &quot;Core Release&quot; is kdebase4-workspace-
+</I>&gt;<i> devel-4.6.3-7.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> Latest version found in &quot;Core Updates&quot; is kdebase4-workspace-
+</I>&gt;<i> devel-4.6.5-1.3.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> The following packages will require linking:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> canberra-common-0.27-2.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libbluez3-4.92-1.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libcanberra0-0.27-2.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libcln6-1.3.1-2.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libdmtx0-0.7.2-1.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libgpsd19-2.95-4.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> liblm_sensors4-3.2.0-1.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libpolkit-qt-agent-1_1-0.99.0-1.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libqalculate5-0.9.7-7.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libqalculate-data-0.9.7-7.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libqimageblitz4-0.0.6-3.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libsmbclient0-3.5.8-1.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libssh4-0.4.7-1.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libtalloc2-2.0.5-2.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libwbclient0-3.5.8-1.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia-kde-translation-1-2.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> polkit-kde-agent-1-0.99.0-2.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> sound-theme-freedesktop-0.7-5.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> xmessage-1.0.3-2.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> *** me-tv ***
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Running checks for &quot;me-tv&quot; using media
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Core Release&quot; and &quot;Core Updates&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia release 1 (Official) for i586
+</I>&gt;<i> Latest version found in &quot;Core Release&quot; is me-tv-1.3.6-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> Latest version found in &quot;Core Updates&quot; is me-tv-1.3.6-1.1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> The following packages will require linking:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> dvb-apps-1.1.1-8.hg1412.1.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libdvbapps-1.1.1-8.hg1412.1.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> *** mgarepo ***
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Running checks for &quot;mgarepo&quot; using media
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Core Release&quot; and &quot;Core Updates&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia release 1 (Official) for i586
+</I>&gt;<i> Latest version found in &quot;Core Release&quot; is mgarepo-1.9.10-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> Latest version found in &quot;Core Updates&quot; is mgarepo-1.10.0-2.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> The following packages will require linking:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> python-httplib2-0.6.0-3.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> *** perl-CPANPLUS ***
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Running checks for &quot;perl-CPANPLUS&quot; using media
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Core Release&quot; and &quot;Core Updates&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia release 1 (Official) for i586
+</I>&gt;<i> Latest version found in &quot;Core Release&quot; is perl-CPANPLUS-0.910.300-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> Latest version found in &quot;Core Updates&quot; is perl-CPANPLUS-0.910.300-1.1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> The following packages will require linking:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> perl-Archive-Extract-0.500.0-1.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> perl-IPC-Cmd-0.700.0-2.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> *** soprano ***
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Running checks for &quot;soprano&quot; using media
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Core Release&quot; and &quot;Core Updates&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia release 1 (Official) for i586
+</I>&gt;<i> Latest version found in &quot;Core Release&quot; is soprano-2.5.63-2.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> Latest version found in &quot;Core Updates&quot; is soprano-2.6.0-0.1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> The following packages will require linking:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> libiodbc2-3.52.7-2.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libraptor1-1.4.21-2.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> virtuoso-opensource-6.1.2-1.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> *** vuze ***
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Running checks for &quot;vuze&quot; using media
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Core Release&quot; and &quot;Core Updates&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia release 1 (Official) for i586
+</I>&gt;<i> Latest version found in &quot;Core Release&quot; is vuze-4.3.0.4-2.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> Latest version found in &quot;Core Updates&quot; is vuze-4.6.0.4-1.1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> The following packages will require linking:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> apache-commons-cli-1.2-5.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> liblog4j-java-1.2.16-13.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> log4j-1.2.16-13.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> xml-commons-apis-1.4.01-5.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do the results seem ok to you?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm running the script for Tainted and Nonfree Updates too, and will give the
+</I>&gt;<i> results.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+i beg to disagree with all this because you act like if ppl were
+installing from scratch the rpms from updates. ( like :
+
+
+*** kdebase4-workspace-devel ***
+----------------------------------------
+Running checks for &quot;kdebase4-workspace-devel&quot; using media
+&quot;Core Release&quot; and &quot;Core Updates&quot;.
+----------------------------------------
+Mageia release 1 (Official) for i586
+Latest version found in &quot;Core Release&quot; is kdebase4-workspace-
+devel-4.6.3-7.mga1
+Latest version found in &quot;Core Updates&quot; is kdebase4-workspace-
+devel-4.6.5-1.3.mga1
+----------------------------------------
+The following packages will require linking:
+
+canberra-common-0.27-2.mga1 (Core Release)
+libbluez3-4.92-1.mga1 (Core Release)
+libcanberra0-0.27-2.mga1 (Core Release)
+libcln6-1.3.1-2.mga1 (Core Release)
+libdmtx0-0.7.2-1.mga1 (Core Release)
+libgpsd19-2.95-4.mga1 (Core Release)
+liblm_sensors4-3.2.0-1.mga1 (Core Release)
+libpolkit-qt-agent-1_1-0.99.0-1.mga1 (Core Release)
+libqalculate5-0.9.7-7.mga1 (Core Release)
+libqalculate-data-0.9.7-7.mga1 (Core Release)
+libqimageblitz4-0.0.6-3.mga1 (Core Release)
+libsmbclient0-3.5.8-1.mga1 (Core Release)
+libssh4-0.4.7-1.mga1 (Core Release)
+libtalloc2-2.0.5-2.mga1 (Core Release)
+libwbclient0-3.5.8-1.mga1 (Core Release)
+mageia-kde-translation-1-2.mga1 (Core Release)
+polkit-kde-agent-1-0.99.0-2.mga1 (Core Release)
+sound-theme-freedesktop-0.7-5.mga1 (Core Release)
+xmessage-1.0.3-2.mga1 (Core Release)
+
+
+mageia-kde-translation is for ex alrady required by kde in mageia and
+not only added in updates, so ALL ppl having kde install WILL have it
+installed so linking this is useless, and i think this can be valid
+for a lot of deps listed too.
+
+For vuze:
+
+apache-commons-cli-1.2-5.mga1 (Core Release)
+liblog4j-java-1.2.16-13.mga1 (Core Release)
+log4j-1.2.16-13.mga1 (Core Release)
+xml-commons-apis-1.4.01-5.mga1 (Core Release)
+
+i think ( i can be wrong ) that all those packages were already
+required by vuze )
+because then, why not add java6 too :)
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+</I>&gt;<i> extlinux &amp; the mbr file needed to make a very powerful bootloader for
+</I>&gt;<i> ext* &amp; btrfs filesystems (more to come).
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+&gt;<i> You may know it or not, many packages have no maintainer. This is due to the
+</I>&gt;<i> fact that we had no maintainer database when we boostrapped the distribution.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Excluding perl packages (a lot of packages, all maintained by jq), we have :
+</I>&gt;<i> 1118 packages with a maintainer
+</I>&gt;<i> 4931 without a maintainer !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Full list: <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/maintdb.txt">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/maintdb.txt</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As a result, many bugs are sleeping in bugzilla, because the triage team
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't know who to assign them to. If we want our distribution to succeed,
+</I>&gt;<i> this is a situation that can't continue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> Packagers with submit rights can participate, but apprentices too, because we
+</I>&gt;<i> really need everybody's help here ! If your mentor agrees to take the
+</I>&gt;<i> maintainership instead of you until you get commit rights, tell him what
+</I>&gt;<i> packages you want to maintain.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In the following days, all your keyboard should see is:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb set packagename yourlogin
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde, going to grab some packages
+</I>Ok, I&#8217;m grabbing my packages there are quite a lot of them that should
+disappear now.
+
+Though, I&#8217;m in the process of moving to another city atm, so I&#8217;m very
+busy at the moment and can&#8217;t do a lot wrt maintainance of my packages.
+
+Hopefully everything will get sorted sooner or later, but I don&#8217;t expect
+to have much time until christmas&#8230;
+
+Sorry for not announcing this earlier, but personal life got in the way
+sooner than I expected :/
+
+Please don&#8217;t hesitate to contact me by direct mail if you&#8217;re stuck on
+some of my packages like Stormi did a few days ago, I read them (but not
+daily)
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+I've taken maintainership of drupal (since it was unmaintained and I will have
+to use it at work in the future) and am about to change some things:
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+First I'm cleaning it up a bit. As it is, the package doesn't work out of the
+box, the webserver is giving a http 400
+
+And second I'd like to rename the package to drupal7, major version changes of
+drupal (and other cms as well) tend to bring incompatibilities with them so
+it is imho better to maintain several lines as e.g. fedora does as well and we
+do with other packages like postgres.
+
+Any complaints/ideas about that? Of course I will do all the needed
+obsoletes/provides in the spec...
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:06:07PM +0200, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You may know it or not, many packages have no maintainer. This is due to the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fact that we had no maintainer database when we boostrapped the distribution.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Excluding perl packages (a lot of packages, all maintained by jq), we have :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1118 packages with a maintainer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 4931 without a maintainer !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Full list: <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/maintdb.txt">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/maintdb.txt</A>
+</I>Should be a bit shorter now
+&gt;<i> Ok, I&#8217;m grabbing my packages there are quite a lot of them that should
+</I>&gt;<i> disappear now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Though, I&#8217;m in the process of moving to another city atm, so I&#8217;m very
+</I>&gt;<i> busy at the moment and can&#8217;t do a lot wrt maintainance of my packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hopefully everything will get sorted sooner or later, but I don&#8217;t expect
+</I>&gt;<i> to have much time until christmas&#8230;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry for not announcing this earlier, but personal life got in the way
+</I>&gt;<i> sooner than I expected :/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please don&#8217;t hesitate to contact me by direct mail if you&#8217;re stuck on
+</I>&gt;<i> some of my packages like Stormi did a few days ago, I read them (but not
+</I>&gt;<i> daily)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> R&#233;my CLOUARD
+</I>&gt;<i> () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail
+</I>&gt;<i> /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments
+</I>I&#8217;ve taken packages I imported and plan to maintain, hop I didn&#8217;t forget
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 08/10/11 20:05 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 8 October 2011 19:35, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've just pushed some changes that disable OSS sound under PulseAudio
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sound profile.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you want to use OSS apps with PulseAudio, please install &quot;ossp&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package which I've also just submitted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think ultimately we'll disable ALSA OSS emulation completely and use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ossp in both PA and non-PA modes but I hear that the non-PA usage isn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> quite as nice, so I'm holding off doing this just yet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> then task-pa should suggests ossp...
+</I>
+I'm undecided about this. I'm not sure if the default setup should
+include OSS sound support or not. Perhaps it would be better left as
+something that users install if they need it.
+
+As we'll eventually have to go through all the packages that require
+soundwrapper, perhaps we could either:
+
+a) Replace the soundwrapper require with a ossp require.
+b) Patch soundwrapper such that it's a noop if osspd is running and make
+it require ossp.
+
+The latter would mean less churn on packages, but it's arguably just
+delaying the inevitable work of doing it eventually.
+
+Thoughts?
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>On 9 October 2011 13:34, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I've just pushed some changes that disable OSS sound under PulseAudio
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sound profile.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If you want to use OSS apps with PulseAudio, please install &quot;ossp&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> package which I've also just submitted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think ultimately we'll disable ALSA OSS emulation completely and use
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ossp in both PA and non-PA modes but I hear that the non-PA usage isn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> quite as nice, so I'm holding off doing this just yet.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then task-pa should suggests ossp...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm undecided about this. I'm not sure if the default setup should
+</I>&gt;<i> include OSS sound support or not. Perhaps it would be better left as
+</I>&gt;<i> something that users install if they need it.
+</I>
+We'd support for&#160;OSS, I don't see any reason to drop that support
+gratuitously
+
+&gt;<i> As we'll eventually have to go through all the packages that require
+</I>&gt;<i> soundwrapper, perhaps we could either:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> a) Replace the soundwrapper require with a ossp require.
+</I>&gt;<i> b) Patch soundwrapper such that it's a noop if osspd is running and make
+</I>&gt;<i> it require ossp.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The latter would mean less churn on packages, but it's arguably just
+</I>&gt;<i> delaying the inevitable work of doing it eventually.
+</I>
+Or both
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+Exactly same description, but the changelog is very small, not like our
+changelogs including all the mandriva authors'contributions :-/
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+urpmq --changelog get-skype
+* Mon Oct 3 2011 Andrey Bondrov &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">abondrov at mandriva.org</A>&gt; 2.2.0.35-1mdv2010.1
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+&gt;<i> Maybe it is my mistake, but I don't remember it was on mandriva when I left :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Exactly same description, but the changelog is very small, not like our
+</I>&gt;<i> changelogs including all the mandriva authors'contributions :-/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmq --changelog get-skype
+</I>&gt;<i> * Mon Oct 3 2011 Andrey Bondrov &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">abondrov at mandriva.org</A>&gt; 2.2.0.35-1mdv2010.1
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 702497
+</I>&gt;<i> - imported package get-skype
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Chris.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Actually that's what MIB always did, so no surprise there.
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+&gt;<i> Maybe it is my mistake, but I don't remember it was on mandriva when I
+</I>&gt;<i> left :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Exactly same description, but the changelog is very small, not like our
+</I>&gt;<i> changelogs including all the mandriva authors'contributions :-/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmq --changelog get-skype
+</I>&gt;<i> * Mon Oct 3 2011 Andrey Bondrov &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">abondrov at mandriva.org</A>&gt; 2.2.0.35-1mdv2010.1
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 702497
+</I>&gt;<i> - imported package get-skype
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Chris.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I><A HREF="http://koryavov.net/post/11099091361/skype-for-mandriva-2011">http://koryavov.net/post/11099091361/skype-for-mandriva-2011</A>
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+&quot;UPD: Thanks to our Mageia friends for a package!&quot;
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+<PRE>Am 09.10.2011 20:15, schrieb Manuel Hiebel:
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 09 octobre 2011 &#224; 19:28 +0200, eatdirt a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe it is my mistake, but I don't remember it was on mandriva when I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> left :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Exactly same description, but the changelog is very small, not like our
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> changelogs including all the mandriva authors'contributions :-/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> urpmq --changelog get-skype
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * Mon Oct 3 2011 Andrey Bondrov&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">abondrov at mandriva.org</A>&gt; 2.2.0.35-1mdv2010.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 702497
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - imported package get-skype
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Chris.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://koryavov.net/post/11099091361/skype-for-mandriva-2011">http://koryavov.net/post/11099091361/skype-for-mandriva-2011</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;UPD: Thanks to our Mageia friends for a package!&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Well, after one of the blogdrake guys explicitly asked for it, yes :(
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+&gt;<i> First I'm cleaning it up a bit. As it is, the package doesn't work out of the
+</I>&gt;<i> box, the webserver is giving a http 400
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+</I>&gt;<i> And second I'd like to rename the package to drupal7, major version changes of
+</I>&gt;<i> drupal (and other cms as well) tend to bring incompatibilities with them so
+</I>&gt;<i> it is imho better to maintain several lines as e.g. fedora does as well and we
+</I>&gt;<i> do with other packages like postgres.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any complaints/ideas about that? Of course I will do all the needed
+</I>&gt;<i> obsoletes/provides in the spec...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Sounds good to me. More packages should specify major versions.
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+&gt;<i> Name &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: tortoisehg &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version &#160; &#160; : 2.1.4 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release &#160; &#160; : 1.mga2 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Build Date: Sun Oct &#160;9 23:58:13 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;<i> Group &#160; &#160; &#160; : Development/Other &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: 8953031 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;License: GPLv2
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature &#160; : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager &#160; &#160;: Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; : <A HREF="http://tortoisehg.bitbucket.org/">http://tortoisehg.bitbucket.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary &#160; &#160; : Mercurial GUI command line tool thg
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> This package contains the thg command line tool, which provides a graphical
+</I>&gt;<i> user interface to the Mercurial distributed revision control system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> matteo &lt;matteo&gt; 2.1.4-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 153595
+</I>&gt;<i> - upgraded to version 2.1.4
+</I>
+Do you want to fix the typo in the description or should I? Or is
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+--auto-update&quot; like &quot;adding 16777 new rpms not available in existing
+hdlist&quot; which holds up the urpmi processing for literally minutes, and
+one does not.
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+Does anyone know what this message indicates, what processing is
+occurring during the long delay, and any reason why it should occur on
+one system but not the other ?
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+&gt;<i> I have two virtually identical cauldron systems which update from the
+</I>&gt;<i> same local cauldron tree. One consistently gets messages during &quot;urpmi
+</I>&gt;<i> --auto-update&quot; like &quot;adding 16777 new rpms not available in existing
+</I>&gt;<i> hdlist&quot; which holds up the urpmi processing for literally minutes, and
+</I>&gt;<i> one does not.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Does anyone know what this message indicates, what processing is
+</I>&gt;<i> occurring during the long delay, and any reason why it should occur on
+</I>&gt;<i> one system but not the other ?
+</I>
+You're probably using a local media without a hdlist inside.
+--
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+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 9 octobre 2011 19:10:49 Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have two virtually identical cauldron systems which update from the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> same local cauldron tree. One consistently gets messages during &quot;urpmi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --auto-update&quot; like &quot;adding 16777 new rpms not available in existing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hdlist&quot; which holds up the urpmi processing for literally minutes, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> one does not.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Does anyone know what this message indicates, what processing is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> occurring during the long delay, and any reason why it should occur on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> one system but not the other ?
+</I>&gt;<i> You're probably using a local media without a hdlist inside.
+</I>I don't see how. Both systems install using HTTP from the same distro
+tree and use the same script to delete and recreate media from that tree
+after install:
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+********************************************************
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at ftgme2</A> bin]$ cat customizeUrpmi.sh
+#!/bin/sh
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+#
+# Create urpmi sources
+#
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+echo &quot;Deleting existing urpmi sources&quot;
+urpmi.removemedia -a
+echo &quot;Creating urpmi sources&quot;
+urpmi.addmedia --no-md5sum --probe-hdlist --distrib
+<A HREF="file:///mnt/cauldron/$HOSTTYPE">file:///mnt/cauldron/$HOSTTYPE</A>
+urpmi.update --no-ignore &quot;Core Release Debug&quot; &quot;Core 32bit Release Debug&quot;
+&quot;Nonfree Release Debug&quot; &quot;Nonfree Release&quot; &quot;Tainted Release&quot;
+urpmi.update -a
+********************************************************
+
+
+The urpmi.cfg files are virtually identical:
+
+***************************************
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ftglap</A> urpmi]# cmp -b /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg
+/mnt/ftgme2/etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg
+/etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg /mnt/ftgme2/etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg differ: byte 2907,
+line 135 is 40 175 }
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+</I>&gt;<i> i will be on vacations for the next 2 weeks. This mean that i will
+</I>&gt;<i> have less internet than before ( but i choosed my hotel to have
+</I>&gt;<i> internet anyway but i won't be on irc a lot ( or not at all ) .
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+<PRE>Le 09/10/2011 18:20, Thierry Vignaud a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 9 October 2011 13:34, Colin Guthrie&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I've just pushed some changes that disable OSS sound under PulseAudio
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sound profile.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If you want to use OSS apps with PulseAudio, please install &quot;ossp&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> package which I've also just submitted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think ultimately we'll disable ALSA OSS emulation completely and use
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ossp in both PA and non-PA modes but I hear that the non-PA usage isn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> quite as nice, so I'm holding off doing this just yet.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> then task-pa should suggests ossp...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm undecided about this. I'm not sure if the default setup should
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> include OSS sound support or not. Perhaps it would be better left as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> something that users install if they need it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We'd support for OSS, I don't see any reason to drop that support
+</I>&gt;<i> gratuitously
+</I>Just for curiosity, where is OSS support needed nowadays ? Quake and co ?
+
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+I'm sure that not only xboard has such requirements, and more programs
+requires 75 or 100 dpi fonts.
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+What do you thing about providing something common? For example
+&quot;xorg-x11-fonts&quot;?
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+$ urpmq --provides xorg-x11-100dpi-fonts
+XFree86-ISO8859-2-100dpi-fonts
+XFree86-ISO8859-9-100dpi-fonts
+XFree86-100dpi-fonts[== 7.6-2.mga2]
+X11-100dpi-fonts
+xorg-x11-100dpi-fonts[== 7.6-2.mga2]
+xorg-x11-100dpi-fonts(x86-64)[== 7.6-2.mga2]
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+XFree86-75dpi-fonts[== 7.6-2.mga2]
+X11-75dpi-fonts
+xorg-x11-75dpi-fonts[== 7.6-2.mga2]
+xorg-x11-75dpi-fonts(x86-64)[== 7.6-2.mga2]
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+&gt;<i> Le 09/10/2011 12:21, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And second I'd like to rename the package to drupal7, major version
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; changes of drupal (and other cms as well) tend to bring
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; postgres.
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+</I>&gt;<i> As long as there is no other drupalX package, this seems to be
+</I>&gt;<i> gratuitous complexity.
+</I>
+That maybe true, but it would help us, when drupal-8 is released (rumours say
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+If we now leave the name &quot;drupal&quot; then what do we do? Keep the name drupal to
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+That's not really logical.
+Rename drupal-7.x to drupal7 and name drupal-8.x drupal?
+This will lead to existing drupal installations being updated to the 8.x
+branch which will likely break loads of things.
+Renaming drupal-7.x to drupal7 and naming the 8.x branch drupal8? That will
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+<PRE>On 10 October 2011 11:20, Guillaume Rousse &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If you want to use OSS apps with PulseAudio, please install &quot;ossp&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> package which I've also just submitted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think ultimately we'll disable ALSA OSS emulation completely and use
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ossp in both PA and non-PA modes but I hear that the non-PA usage isn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> quite as nice, so I'm holding off doing this just yet.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> then task-pa should suggests ossp...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm undecided about this. I'm not sure if the default setup should
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> include OSS sound support or not. Perhaps it would be better left as
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> something that users install if they need it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We'd support for OSS, I don't see any reason to drop that support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gratuitously
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just for curiosity, where is OSS support needed nowadays ? Quake and co ?
+</I>
+Last time I checked (6 monthes ago), yes some old quake[12] games.
+
+Historically, we also have (had?) cases of apps not supporting alsa,
+or not supporting alsa new api (1.0.9+ ?), ...
+
+OSS support doesn't cost anything to us, so I see no reason to not
+enable us by default like we do for years.
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+ <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B>
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+<PRE>On Monday 10 October 2011 12:02, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+&gt;<i> OSS support doesn't cost anything to us, so I see no reason to not
+</I>&gt;<i> enable us by default like we do for years.
+</I>
+I agree.
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+<PRE>Le 10/10/2011 11:55, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Am Montag, 10. Oktober 2011, 09:14:12 schrieb Guillaume Rousse:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 09/10/2011 12:21, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And second I'd like to rename the package to drupal7, major version
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> changes of drupal (and other cms as well) tend to bring
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> incompatibilities with them so it is imho better to maintain several
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lines as e.g. fedora does as well and we do with other packages like
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> postgres.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As long as there is no other drupalX package, this seems to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gratuitous complexity.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That maybe true, but it would help us, when drupal-8 is released (rumours say
+</I>&gt;<i> in the middle of 2012).
+</I>&gt;<i> If we now leave the name &quot;drupal&quot; then what do we do? Keep the name drupal to
+</I>&gt;<i> the 7.x branch and name drupal-8.x drupal8?
+</I>&gt;<i> That's not really logical.
+</I>That's the usual mandriva approache to have one default branch
+(unversioned), and non-default ones (versioned). See Openldap, mysql,
+php, cfengine, etc... The goal is 'keep it stupid simple as long as
+possible'.
+
+The 'let's version every package right from the start', as done in
+postgresql, is rather the exception here. That's Debian practice, tough.
+
+&gt;<i> Rename drupal-7.x to drupal7 and name drupal-8.x drupal?
+</I>&gt;<i> This will lead to existing drupal installations being updated to the 8.x
+</I>&gt;<i> branch which will likely break loads of things.
+</I>What's the problem if it is documented, and non-destructive ? Also, you
+can wait one or two release before changing default version.
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 09 octobre 2011 &#224; 15:02 -0700, Donald Stewart a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 9 October 2011 15:00, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Name : tortoisehg Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Version : 2.1.4 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Release : 1.mga2 Build Date: Sun Oct 9 23:58:13 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Group : Development/Other Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Size : 8953031 License: GPLv2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; URL : <A HREF="http://tortoisehg.bitbucket.org/">http://tortoisehg.bitbucket.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Summary : Mercurial GUI command line tool thg
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This package contains the thg command line tool, which provides a graphical
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; user interface to the Mercurial distributed revision control system.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; matteo &lt;matteo&gt; 2.1.4-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 153595
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - upgraded to version 2.1.4
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you want to fix the typo in the description or should I? Or is
+</I>&gt;<i> there a naming convention that all &quot;e&quot; get changed to &quot;h&quot; with
+</I>&gt;<i> mercurial tools like there is for &quot;c&quot; in kde?
+</I>
+The name is thg, for tortoise hg, hg being the chemical name of
+mercurial, and the name of the command line tool.
+
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+<PRE>On 10 October 2011 12:16, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 09 octobre 2011 &#224; 15:02 -0700, Donald Stewart a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 9 October 2011 15:00, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Name &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: tortoisehg &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Version &#160; &#160; : 2.1.4 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Release &#160; &#160; : 1.mga2 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Build Date: Sun Oct &#160;9 23:58:13 2011
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Install Date: (not installed) &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Group &#160; &#160; &#160; : Development/Other &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Size &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: 8953031 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;License: GPLv2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Signature &#160; : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Packager &#160; &#160;: Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; URL &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; : <A HREF="http://tortoisehg.bitbucket.org/">http://tortoisehg.bitbucket.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Summary &#160; &#160; : Mercurial GUI command line tool thg
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; This package contains the thg command line tool, which provides a graphical
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; user interface to the Mercurial distributed revision control system.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; matteo &lt;matteo&gt; 2.1.4-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 153595
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; - upgraded to version 2.1.4
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Do you want to fix the typo in the description or should I? Or is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> there a naming convention that all &quot;e&quot; get changed to &quot;h&quot; with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mercurial tools like there is for &quot;c&quot; in kde?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The name is thg, for tortoise hg, hg being the chemical name of
+</I>&gt;<i> mercurial, and the name of the command line tool.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I just re read the description..... I feel stupid and will go and hide
+under a rock.
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+Sorry for the noise.
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+<PRE>Am Montag, 10. Oktober 2011, 13:04:01 schrieb Guillaume Rousse:
+&gt;<i> Le 10/10/2011 11:55, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Rename drupal-7.x to drupal7 and name drupal-8.x drupal?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This will lead to existing drupal installations being updated to the 8.x
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; branch which will likely break loads of things.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What's the problem if it is documented, and non-destructive ? Also, you
+</I>&gt;<i> can wait one or two release before changing default version.
+</I>I think with server software like databases and cms we have to be aware of the
+following thing:
+Many people do write software depending on it and mostly it takes quite some
+work to adapt that software to new upstream versions.
+Just updating the database or cms may break your own software so you need some
+time.
+That's why we do provide postgresql in versioned lines. And that's why Debian
+as server distro is doing that with many of its software.
+I have seen at work, what kind of complexity aou do have when updating drupal
+to a new major version (6 to 7 in that case) and I would prefer to have
+several lines so people can continue running their software when upgrading
+their distribution.
+Ok, the Mandriva way was not to do that - with exceptions like postgres - but
+Debian and Fedora do it differently (as you have pointed out).
+In my opinion it's not sensible to keep to the Mandriva way just because it
+was the Mandriva way and I haven't seen any logical arguments supporting the
+Mandriva way, but I have seen logical arguments to adapt the Debian/Fedora
+way.
+Note, I'm only talking about server software like databases and cms, which
+tend to break things with new major versions, not everyday desktop software.
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+<PRE>hi,
+
+I tried to submit &quot;celtx&quot;. The build was interrupted after a while.
+As the log is huge, because I was seeking which build-requires are missing, I wonder what can stop a submit build :
+- huge log (96MB)
+- too long build time (in my system, it built successfully in 2 hours)
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+If this is not the problem, can someone give me a hint : the log ends with a success!
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+ <B>Thomas Backlund</B>
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+<PRE>Jos&#233; Jorge skrev 10.10.2011 14:27:
+&gt;<i> hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I tried to submit &quot;celtx&quot;. The build was interrupted after a while.
+</I>&gt;<i> As the log is huge, because I was seeking which build-requires are missing, I wonder what can stop a submit build :
+</I>&gt;<i> - huge log (96MB)
+</I>&gt;<i> - too long build time (in my system, it built successfully in 2 hours)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If this is not the problem, can someone give me a hint : the log ends with a success!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Seems to be the huge log:
+
+W: [iurt2] [iurt2] WARNING: killing current command because of log size
+exceeding limit (100714773 &gt; 100M)
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+--
+Thomas
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+ <B>Frank Griffin</B>
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+<PRE>Before I enter a bug report for this, I'd like to be a little more
+certain of the nature of the problem.
+
+I have a wine-based Windows app that is launched nightly by cron on a
+system running 24x7. It puts up a window that says it will start a
+download in 30 seconds, and then refreshes the window counting down to
+zero, at which point it starts.
+
+For the last week or two in cauldron, the app launches from cron, but
+the countdown does not begin until I come down in the morning and hit a
+key to clear the screensaver. It looks to me as though the act of
+opening the window is being blocked by the screensaver, effectively
+suspending the app. Prior to &quot;recently&quot;, this has been working fine.
+
+This is a pretty unique situation, so I won't bother asking if anyone
+else is seeing it, but does anyone familiar with the newer KDE release
+in cauldron have any idea what's causing this ?
+
+So far, all I can think of to do is, one-by-one, disable the screensaver
+and then any display power management to see what's causing it, but
+possibly kwin is now refusing to deliver window events when the SS is
+active ?
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Do you want to fix the typo in the description or should I? Or is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> there a naming convention that all &quot;e&quot; get changed to &quot;h&quot; with
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mercurial tools like there is for &quot;c&quot; in kde?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The name is thg, for tortoise hg, hg being the chemical name of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mercurial, and the name of the command line tool.
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+</I>&gt;<i> I just re read the description..... I feel stupid and will go and hide
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+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry for the noise.
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+<PRE>Note sure why I am getting this long list of errors during an update:
+
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+perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>defaulting background resolution to 1024x768
+perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>defaulting background resolution to 1024x768
+perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+please use /etc/modprobe.d
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> Not a directory
+</I>defaulting background resolution to 1024x768
+removing installed rpms
+(mageia-theme-kde-background-1.5.0.18-2.mga2.noarch.rpm
+mageia-theme-Default-screensaver-1.5.0.18-2.mga2.noarch.rpm
+mageia-theme-Default-1.5.0.18-2.mga2.noarch.rpm
+mageia-theme-common-1.5.0.18-2.mga2.noarch.rpm)
+from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+unlocking urpmi database
+unlocking rpm database
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> rfox]#
+
+Cheers,
+R.Fox
+
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+ <B>Florian Hubold</B>
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+<PRE>Am 28.09.2011 14:40, schrieb Florian Hubold:
+&gt;<i> Am 22.09.2011 21:37, schrieb Florian Hubold:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 22.09.2011 00:09, schrieb Luc Menut:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My own opinion is we should do both 1 and 3 in your list of options
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1/ Change the defaults in /etc/security/msec/level.* and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3/ make dma a suggest for msec
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If these two changes were introduced as updates to Mageia 1 then the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> consequences would I believe be.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a/ Users with default configuration :-
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Changing the defaults in /etc/security/msec/level.* will not affect an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> existing installation unless they change their security level.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mail would go into /var/spool/mail/root instead of /root/dead.letter They
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> probably would still not see the mail because they are unlikely to know
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> how to configure another user to receive roots mail. The only change they
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would notice is when logging in at a root console they would see a message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> saying &quot;You have new mail&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> b/ Users who have configured a real mail address in msec
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Installing dma as a require will cause these mails to actually start being
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> delivered. Since the user has put the real mail address in the msec
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> configuration we have to assume they actually want the mails to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> delivered so that is a &quot;good thing&quot;. If their ISP will only accept mail
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from a real MTA as mentioned by Frank Griffin then the message will not be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> delivered unless a relay host is defined in dma. Since they are already
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not being delivered nothing will have changed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> c/ New users of Mageia 2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Changing the defaults in /etc/security/msec/level.* will suppress emails
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other than to those users who have specifically requested them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hope that helps
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Derek
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So if nobody objects or sees other problem with this, i'll modify
+</I>&gt;<i> the defaults in /etc/security/msec/level.* to not send email by default
+</I>&gt;<i> and making dma a suggest for msec.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>This poses another problem:
+
+On a default configuration, we would enable sending reports by installing dma with
+the msec update, but also disable sending of all reports by changing the
+default settings,
+which will apply for everybody who has not run msec-gui or configured msec
+manually.
+So this change would be quite antipodal.
+
+I'm for not changing the default to send mail to root, as this would enable
+sending of
+reports on default configurations, and change nothing for configurations where
+people
+want those reports sent by mail.
+
+Opinions, please?
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+&gt;<i> On 10/08/2011 04:31 AM, Sander Lepik wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Oct 8, 2011 12:50 AM, &quot;Scott Chevalley&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">avalon at osguru.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">avalon at osguru.org</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I just updated and the new kernels (3.0.6) got installed. I went and looked and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; the UUID for the resume/swap partition is that of an old partition I used to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; have and is not the current UUID of my swap partition.
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe Mageia is using both swaps? And because of that just uses the older one
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in grub?
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+</I>&gt;<i> Does a swap partition with the old UUID still exist ? If so, then Sander is right.
+</I>
+No, there's only one swap partition.
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+I just did a test based on a previous comment about new kernels defaulting to
+old swap partitions. I removed a kernel (in this case kernel-tmb-desktop-3.0.6)
+and then reinstalled it and it put the old swap uuid in. I then went and
+removed all references to that old swap in the menu.lst file, uninstalled and
+reinstalled the kernel and it picked up the new swap uuid.
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+Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
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+I would invite all of you for another meeting of the doc team and any
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+We will meet as usual at 18.00 UTC in the #mageia-doc channel on the Freenode
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+&gt;<i> Revision 153680 Author shlomif Date 2011-10-10 18:33:07 +0200 (Mon, 10 Oct
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011)
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+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
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+</I>&gt;<i> Fixed the /usr/share/applications/.desktop file to make it more standard
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+</I>===================================================================
+&gt;<i> --- cauldron/shutter/current/SPECS/shutter.spec 2011-10-10 16:02:37 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;<i> 153679)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ cauldron/shutter/current/SPECS/shutter.spec 2011-10-10 16:33:07 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;<i> 153680)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary: Feature-rich screenshot application
+</I>&gt;<i> Name: shutter
+</I>&gt;<i> Version: 0.87.3
+</I>&gt;<i> -Release: %mkrel 2
+</I>&gt;<i> +Release: %mkrel 3
+</I>&gt;<i> License: GPLv3
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+FYI, there's no need to bump rel if the previous submit was failed.
+Just fix the problem and submit the pkg again with same rel.
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+&gt;<i> Le 10/10/2011 18:43, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi out there,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I would invite all of you for another meeting of the doc team and any
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; interested people out there who haven't joined us till now.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We will meet as usual at 18.00 UTC in the #mageia-doc channel on the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Freenode network.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; See you then,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Which day ? thursday ?
+</I>Oups, sorry.
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+As usual it would be Tuesday aka the one day without any other meeting aka
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+I saw vlc.1.1.11-0.1-mga1 added in mageia1/core/backports_testing
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+I looked into Revision 153535 and Revision 153536
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+<PRE>Marja van Waes a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> Has anything been decided on this request?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>It was indeed more a discuss than a bug report !
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+Indeed, since april, final Mageia1 was published ( june 1st )
+something was decided :
+8 liveCD : 4 localised KDE CD ; 4 Localised Gnome CD
+2 monoarch install DVD (1 for 32 bits, 1 for 64 bits)
+1 dual arch install CD
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+The reason why not to make an install from a LiveDVD was clearly
+explained in Comment 8 ... (and having a glance to Mandriva's forums
+shows which problems occurs with an install from a LiveDVD :-(
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+Nevertheless : since june, more than 1 Go of updates have been
+provided... If you install now, you will need to have a good internet
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+It's time to think again to provide a solution for limited speed or
+limited download quotas...
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+needing QA
+- the easiest being to provide an iso for a DVD of updated rpms (to add
+as a new source for updates, prior than mirrors) eventually with a
+script allowing a simple way to add it... (but bug 2317 may not allow
+easily to use it !!!!)
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+In both cases burned DVD may easily be shipped to people willing to
+install but not able to update through internet (with the risk of a half
+aborted update if the access is broken when downloading)
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+But this is not the better place to discuss about it !!!
+Perhaps need a new thread on user or dev mailing list ...
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+Actually, the title of the bug report and its description had its answer
+:<i> WontFix for Mageia1...
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+&gt;<i> @ Olivier
+</I>&gt;<i> @ Philippe
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+</I>&gt;<i> Any news on this bug?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Same problem with Mageia1 KDE LiveCD but it seems to be an unclear
+patent issue !
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+If you use a LiveCD as a demo, and if you want to show that Mageia is
+able to read mp3 files : you must now first that
+1) you need to have a working internet access
+2) you need to launch CCM
+3) you need to launch rpmdrake
+4) you need to add sources
+5) you need to choose to add gstreamer-plugins-ugly (which allows to
+read mp3 files and nevertheless is in core repo but not on the LiveCD ?! )
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+Then you demonstrate that Mageia is very easy to use for a newbie who
+surely must know what is missing and how to install it !!! :(
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+More seriously : that's not clearly explained when you try to read a mp3
+file : there's a quite useless message ...
+
+you may also read this closed bug : Bug 219
+
+ I complained on Mandriva Bugzilla for the same problem since Mandriva
+One 2010.0 (liveCD) ; until 2008.1, LiveCD could read mp3 files out of
+the box ... for 2009.0 and 2009.1 I don't know : I never could even
+correctly boot with those LiveCD freezing )
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+<PRE>Am Dienstag, 11. Oktober 2011, 02:51:58 schrieb Philippe DIDIER:
+&gt;<i> 5) you need to choose to add gstreamer-plugins-ugly (which allows to
+</I>&gt;<i> read mp3 files and nevertheless is in core repo but not on the LiveCD ?! )
+</I>Since in core repo are how many GigaBytes of packages and you have 700MB of
+space on a CD. Are you seriously asking why one package isn't included in the
+CD?
+I don't say, this special package shouldn't be included, but it wasn't. In
+this case you could say: shit happens...
+But do you have any idea how hard it is to select the right packages for
+having as much features as possible and still staying under 700MB?
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+&gt;<i> I complained on Mandriva Bugzilla for the same problem since Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> One 2010.0 (liveCD) ; until 2008.1, LiveCD could read mp3 files out of
+</I>&gt;<i> the box ... for 2009.0 and 2009.1 I don't know : I never could even
+</I>&gt;<i> correctly boot with those LiveCD freezing )
+</I>To be honest, what are you doing about those issues you are naming on the
+lists, besides complaining about them?
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+----- &quot;Oliver Burger&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> Am Dienstag, 11. Oktober 2011, 02:51:58 schrieb Philippe DIDIER:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 5) you need to choose to add gstreamer-plugins-ugly (which allows
+</I>&gt;<i> to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; read mp3 files and nevertheless is in core repo but not on the
+</I>&gt;<i> LiveCD ?! )
+</I>&gt;<i> Since in core repo are how many GigaBytes of packages and you have
+</I>&gt;<i> 700MB of
+</I>&gt;<i> space on a CD. Are you seriously asking why one package isn't included
+</I>&gt;<i> in the
+</I>&gt;<i> CD?
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't say, this special package shouldn't be included, but it
+</I>&gt;<i> wasn't. In
+</I>&gt;<i> this case you could say: shit happens...
+</I>&gt;<i> But do you have any idea how hard it is to select the right packages
+</I>&gt;<i> for
+</I>&gt;<i> having as much features as possible and still staying under 700MB?
+</I>
+I agree this is hard. And maybe the problem is that gstreamer-plugins-ugly should be required by amarok, as long as there is no codeina equivalent to install codecs when needed.
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oot at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# urpmi teamviewer_linux.rpm
+A requested package cannot be installed:
+teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386 (due to unsatisfied libXdamage(x86-32))
+Continue installation anyway? (Y/n) y
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# rpm -qa | grep libXdamage
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# urpmi libXdamage
+No package named libXdamage
+The following packages contain libXdamage: libxdamage-devel,
+libxdamage-static-devel, libxdamage1
+You should use &quot;-a&quot; to use all of them
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# urpmi libXdamage1
+Package libxdamage1-1.1.3-1.mga1.i586 is already installed
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# rpm -qa | grep libXdamage
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# updatedb
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# locate libXdamage
+/usr/lib/libXdamage.so.1
+/usr/lib/libXdamage.so.1.1.0
+/usr/lib64/libXdamage.la
+/usr/lib64/libXdamage.so
+/usr/lib64/libXdamage.so.1
+/usr/lib64/libXdamage.so.1.1.0
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]#
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+Any help would be appreciated.
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+Cheers,
+R.Fox
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+ <B>Oliver Burger</B>
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+<PRE>Am Dienstag, 11. Oktober 2011, 09:36:27 schrieb Jos&#233; Jorge:
+&gt;<i> I agree this is hard. And maybe the problem is that gstreamer-plugins-ugly
+</I>&gt;<i> should be required by amarok, as long as there is no codeina equivalent to
+</I>&gt;<i> install codecs when needed.
+</I>I'm not so sure, what should require ir, being one of those stubborn people
+using phonon-xine even after all kinds of people told me I was wrong :D
+But to be serious, if we add a gstreamer plugin to an application like amarok,
+we would force gstreamer upon people who might prefer another phonon backend.
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+Oliver
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
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+</I>&gt;<i> Just for reference, I've update to x11-server locally. I've thus
+</I>&gt;<i> migrated the patches and such, so no need for it to be done again, just
+</I>&gt;<i> ping me!
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+</I>&gt;<i> As for submitting it, I've only tested the intel, synaptics and evdev
+</I>&gt;<i> drivers (working fine as I type).
+</I>
+Updated status:
+=============
+Tested (OK):
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+Major video drivers : ati, intel
+Major input drivers: evdev, synaptics
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+Untested:
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+Major video drivers : fb[1], vesa[1], fglrx, nouveau, nvidia
+Somewhat less important drivers: virtualbox, vmware, qxl
+Minor video drivers: sis
+Major input drivers: wacom.
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+I'll test wacom ASAP
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+[1] used by the installer, tried in that order
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+<PRE>----- &quot;Oliver Burger&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> But to be serious, if we add a gstreamer plugin to an application like
+</I>&gt;<i> amarok,
+</I>&gt;<i> we would force gstreamer upon people who might prefer another phonon
+</I>&gt;<i> backend.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>We will just force it to be installed, not to be used.
+Anyway, that's just a taste of a virtual provides, no?
+
+What we need is a backend that actually plays Vorbis/MP3/AAC files, or amarok will end in the trash bin : the first time I had the problem, I installed Clementine as I had no idea of how to solve.
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+ <B>Oliver Burger</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5BBug%201050%5D%20unable%20to%20read%20mp3%20with%20KDE-liveCD%0A%09beta2%20%3A%20possible%20solutions&In-Reply-To=%3C3439664.sHTqA9V3JT%40beteigeuze.oli-home%3E"
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+<PRE>Am Dienstag, 11. Oktober 2011, 10:23:57 schrieb Jos&#233; Jorge:
+&gt;<i> ----- &quot;Oliver Burger&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But to be serious, if we add a gstreamer plugin to an application like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; amarok,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; we would force gstreamer upon people who might prefer another phonon
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; backend.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We will just force it to be installed, not to be used.
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyway, that's just a taste of a virtual provides, no?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What we need is a backend that actually plays Vorbis/MP3/AAC files, or
+</I>&gt;<i> amarok will end in the trash bin : the first time I had the problem, I
+</I>&gt;<i> installed Clementine as I had no idea of how to solve.
+</I>
+I would rather use suggests on good, bad and ugly on gstreamer.
+After all, amarok just uses the backend, it's the backend that may miss
+functionalities, not amarok.
+And I would prefer to make it suggests instead of requires, I prefer not
+impose things on users.
+
+Oliver
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+&gt;<i> I can't seem to get TeamViewer to install:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oot at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# urpmi teamviewer_linux.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> A requested package cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;<i> teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386 (due to unsatisfied libXdamage(x86-32))
+</I>&gt;<i> Continue installation anyway? (Y/n) y
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# rpm -qa | grep libXdamage
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# urpmi libXdamage
+</I>&gt;<i> No package named libXdamage
+</I>&gt;<i> The following packages contain libXdamage: libxdamage-devel,
+</I>&gt;<i> libxdamage-static-devel, libxdamage1
+</I>&gt;<i> You should use &quot;-a&quot; to use all of them
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# urpmi libXdamage1
+</I>&gt;<i> Package libxdamage1-1.1.3-1.mga1.i586 is already installed
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# rpm -qa | grep libXdamage
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# updatedb
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# locate libXdamage
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libXdamage.so.1
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libXdamage.so.1.1.0
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/libXdamage.la
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/libXdamage.so
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/libXdamage.so.1
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/libXdamage.so.1.1.0
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]#
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any help would be appreciated.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> R.Fox
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Simply install it with urpmi --allow-force --allow-nodeps as it will always ask
+you for that
+dependency and you can't satisfy it because the provide of our package is slightly
+different. These are the provides of our libXdamage:
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+ [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at mageia1</A> ~]$ rpm -q --provides libxdamage1
+ libxdamage = 1.1.3
+ libXdamage.so.1
+ libxdamage1 = 1.1.3-1.mga1
+ libxdamage1(x86-32) = 1.1.3-1.mga1
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+You see, libxdamage*1*(x86-32) != libXdamage(x86-32)
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+<PRE>Am 05.10.2011 11:20, schrieb Florian Hubold:
+&gt;<i> Am 29.07.2011 10:17, schrieb nicolas vigier:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, 24 Jul 2011, Florian Hubold wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 18.07.2011 20:43, schrieb Oliver Burger:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I didn't look closely enough.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The handbrake make file downloads several archives including the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> license critical faac, while compiling. So this package should be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> removed from Cauldron. Florian Hunold (aka doktor5000) told me, he's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> on it together with Ansi to make it build cleanly.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So please remove the existing handbrake from Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Ping? Somebody please remove it from mirrors.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Removed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As per the last meeting nonfree+tainted packages should be removed,
+</I>&gt;<i> please also remove handbrake as it currently links to a bundled copy of libfaac.
+</I>&gt;<i> It's only in cauldron so far.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Ping?
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+<PRE>Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Am 28.09.2011 14:40, schrieb Florian Hubold:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 22.09.2011 21:37, schrieb Florian Hubold:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 22.09.2011 00:09, schrieb Luc Menut:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My own opinion is we should do both 1 and 3 in your list of options
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1/ Change the defaults in /etc/security/msec/level.* and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 3/ make dma a suggest for msec
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If these two changes were introduced as updates to Mageia 1 then the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> consequences would I believe be.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a/ Users with default configuration :-
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Changing the defaults in /etc/security/msec/level.* will not affect an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> existing installation unless they change their security level.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mail would go into /var/spool/mail/root instead of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /root/dead.letter They
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> probably would still not see the mail because they are unlikely to know
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> how to configure another user to receive roots mail. The only change
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> they
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> would notice is when logging in at a root console they would see a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> message
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> saying &quot;You have new mail&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> b/ Users who have configured a real mail address in msec
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Installing dma as a require will cause these mails to actually start
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> being
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> delivered. Since the user has put the real mail address in the msec
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> configuration we have to assume they actually want the mails to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> delivered so that is a &quot;good thing&quot;. If their ISP will only accept
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mail
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> from a real MTA as mentioned by Frank Griffin then the message
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> will not be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> delivered unless a relay host is defined in dma. Since they are already
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> not being delivered nothing will have changed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> c/ New users of Mageia 2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Changing the defaults in /etc/security/msec/level.* will suppress
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> emails
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> other than to those users who have specifically requested them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hope that helps
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Derek
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So if nobody objects or sees other problem with this, i'll modify
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the defaults in /etc/security/msec/level.* to not send email by default
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and making dma a suggest for msec.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This poses another problem:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On a default configuration, we would enable sending reports by
+</I>&gt;<i> installing dma with
+</I>&gt;<i> the msec update, but also disable sending of all reports by changing
+</I>&gt;<i> the default settings,
+</I>&gt;<i> which will apply for everybody who has not run msec-gui or configured
+</I>&gt;<i> msec manually.
+</I>&gt;<i> So this change would be quite antipodal.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm for not changing the default to send mail to root, as this would
+</I>&gt;<i> enable sending of
+</I>&gt;<i> reports on default configurations, and change nothing for
+</I>&gt;<i> configurations where people
+</I>&gt;<i> want those reports sent by mail.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Opinions, please?
+</I>
+Option 1 disables sending reports by default.
+Option 3 ensures that if the user decides to enable sending reports,
+everything needed to send reports locally is already installed.
+Considering that dma is only adds 64 k, and yields gracefully if another
+MTA is installed, that is not a big overhead.
+
+However note that ignored messages quickly accumulate and will end up
+occupying a lot of disk space, which would be problematic after a while
+for users with limited space on their / partition.
+Because of this, I would suggest another change :
+(maybe call it option 1+ ?)
+1) No default destination. (It is now MAIL_USER=root for all security
+levels.)
+and
+2) To make this effective, msec will have to be changed so that if there
+is no email adresse (or userid) is entered, then no email is sent, even
+if sending is inadvertantly enabled.
+
+I've tested msec, and if
+1) sending a security alert is enabled, and
+2) there is no default defined (stored as MAIL_USER= in
+/etc/security/msec/level.*), and
+3) there is an empty send-to field (stored as MAIL_USER= in
+/etc/security/msec/security.conf),
+an email is now sent to root.
+
+It may be that msec is sending the email without an addressee, and it is
+automatically routed it to root by my MTA (sendmail).
+
+This change should be relatively simple to implement (once we find the
+place in the code), as instead of sending an alert email to a default
+destination (root) if the user hasn't entered one, the alert is simply
+not sent.
+
+my 2 cents :-)
+
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+Andr&#233;
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+</I>&gt;<i> After all, amarok just uses the backend, it's the backend that may
+</I>&gt;<i> miss
+</I>&gt;<i> functionalities, not amarok.
+</I>&gt;<i> And I would prefer to make it suggests instead of requires, I prefer
+</I>&gt;<i> not
+</I>&gt;<i> impose things on users.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
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+&gt;<i> Am Dienstag, 11. Oktober 2011, 09:36:27 schrieb Jos&#233; Jorge:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I agree this is hard. And maybe the problem is that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; gstreamer-plugins-ugly should be required by amarok, as long as there
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is no codeina equivalent to install codecs when needed.
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+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not so sure, what should require ir, being one of those stubborn people
+</I>&gt;<i> using phonon-xine even after all kinds of people told me I was wrong :D
+</I>&gt;<i> But to be serious, if we add a gstreamer plugin to an application like
+</I>&gt;<i> amarok, we would force gstreamer upon people who might prefer another
+</I>&gt;<i> phonon backend.
+</I>phonon-xine is deprecated by upstream and not maintained any more.
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+&gt;<i> I agree this is hard. And maybe the problem is that gstreamer-plugins-ugly
+</I>&gt;<i> should be required by amarok, as long as there is no codeina equivalent to
+</I>&gt;<i> install codecs when needed.
+</I>and why should you force an user to use only gstreamer backend when he might
+want to use for example the vlc backend ?
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+<PRE>----- &quot;Balcaen John&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> and why should you force an user to use only gstreamer backend when he
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+<PRE>Am Dienstag, 11. Oktober 2011, 11:38:31 schrieb Jos&#233; Jorge:
+&gt;<i> ----- &quot;Balcaen John&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and why should you force an user to use only gstreamer backend when he
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; might
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; want to use for example the vlc backend ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This will not force : one can still choose the backend he wants when more
+</I>&gt;<i> than one is installed!
+</I>Of course it will not force the user to use that backend, but why force him to
+install it in the first place?
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+I think we can have the needed gstreamer plugins in the live cd without
+forcing users not installing from the live cd to install a gstreamer backend,
+when they might want to use vlc instead.
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+&gt;<i> I'm not so sure, what should require ir, being one of those stubborn people
+</I>&gt;<i> using phonon-xine even after all kinds of people told me I was wrong :D
+</I>&gt;<i> But to be serious, if we add a gstreamer plugin to an application like amarok,
+</I>&gt;<i> we would force gstreamer upon people who might prefer another phonon backend.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I'm as studborn as you are because I used phonon-xine too !
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+For Mandriva having tested beta and rc livecd I proposed to use Xine
+instead of gstreamer on livecd as a solution (no need to add several
+plugins)
+I was replied what mikala just said :
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+&gt;<i> phonon-xine is deprecated by upstream and not maintained any more.
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+&gt;<i> I think we can have the needed gstreamer plugins in the live cd
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+</I>&gt;<i> when they might want to use vlc instead.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+That's what I meant with virtual provides :
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+Requires: mp3-decoder in amarok
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+<PRE>Le mardi 11 octobre 2011 11:38:31 Jos&#233; Jorge a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> ----- &quot;Balcaen John&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and why should you force an user to use only gstreamer backend when he
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; might
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; want to use for example the vlc backend ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This will not force : one can still choose the backend he wants when more
+</I>&gt;<i> than one is installed!
+</I>If you're adding a requires you're forcing the user to have this package
+installed in all case and then you're adding uncessary requirements to a
+package like amarok.
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+<PRE>Le mardi 11 octobre 2011 11:52:32 Jos&#233; Jorge a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> ----- &quot;Oliver Burger&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think we can have the needed gstreamer plugins in the live cd
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; without
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; forcing users not installing from the live cd to install a gstreamer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; backend,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; when they might want to use vlc instead.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's what I meant with virtual provides :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Provides : mp3-decoder in vlc-phonon, xine-phonon and gstreamer-plugins-ugly
+</I>again xine-phonon is dead (&amp; not available anymore in cauldron)
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+&gt;<i> Requires: mp3-decoder in amarok
+</I>
+That's still won't solve the problem of space disk available on the live cd
+for KDE.
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+&gt;<i> To be honest, what are you doing about those issues you are naming on the
+</I>&gt;<i> lists, besides complaining about them?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Are you talking about my bug reports on Mageia bugzilla ?
+I do what I am able to do.
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+1) I tested beta livecd and wrote bug reports, proposing solution when I
+know one
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+2) I listed and sorted the rpms that are installed on my computer and my
+friend's computers.
+I listed and sorted the rpms we can find on Mageia1
+I extracted from these a list of missing rpms and proposed it as a bug
+report :
+I have found some problems that a new Mageia user may encounter and that
+mageia dev might not know...
+(packages needing to be proposed as updates because present in Mandriva
+and needed for a smooth upgrade)
+I propose sometimes solutions when I have (spec files or patches)
+
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+3) I helped as far as I could to switch Mageia cauldron from mesaglut to
+freeglut making
+- list (tracker to have a place to coordinate the job) after having
+discussed on the dev mailing list for weeks
+- individual bug reports (looking for hidden dependencies, I found some)
+- I proposed corrections for spec files
+
+Maybe i'm wrong but i thought i was not only bringing sterile complaints
+
+But I can't, for now, neither be a maintainer nor a committer.
+I certainly wouldn't maintain all the packages I have written bug
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+&gt;<i> On 30 August 2011 14:46, Colin Guthrie&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just for reference, I've update to x11-server locally. I've thus
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> migrated the patches and such, so no need for it to be done again, just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ping me!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As for submitting it, I've only tested the intel, synaptics and evdev
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> drivers (working fine as I type).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Updated status:
+</I>&gt;<i> =============
+</I>&gt;<i> Tested (OK):
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Major video drivers : ati, intel
+</I>&gt;<i> Major input drivers: evdev, synaptics
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Untested:
+</I>&gt;<i> ------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Major video drivers : fb[1], vesa[1], fglrx, nouveau, nvidia
+</I>&gt;<i> Somewhat less important drivers: virtualbox, vmware, qxl
+</I>&gt;<i> Minor video drivers: sis
+</I>&gt;<i> Major input drivers: wacom.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll test wacom ASAP
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [1] used by the installer, tried in that order
+</I>
+
+To keep nvidia driver happy, we apparently need:
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+<A HREF="http://svn.mandriva.com/viewvc/packages/cooker/x11-server/current/SOURCES/110_nvidia_slowdow_fix.patch?view=markup">http://svn.mandriva.com/viewvc/packages/cooker/x11-server/current/SOURCES/110_nvidia_slowdow_fix.patch?view=markup</A>
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+&gt;<i> Am Dienstag, 11. Oktober 2011, 02:51:58 schrieb Philippe DIDIER:
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Since in core repo are how many GigaBytes of packages and you have 700MB of
+</I>&gt;<i> space on a CD. Are you seriously asking why one package isn't included in the
+</I>&gt;<i> CD?
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't say, this special package shouldn't be included, but it wasn't. In
+</I>&gt;<i> this case you could say: shit happens...
+</I>I think
+that a liveCD must show the ability of a distribution
+that every newbie will look for what he uses more often on his computer
+that reading mp3 is a basic feature
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+I know that a CD is 700MB : a choice must be done, the lighter being the
+best...
+which is the lightest (counting dependencies) phonon-xine
+phonon-gstreamer or phonon-vlc to allow mp3 reading ?
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+But perhaps it is not allowed to have a liveCD reading mp3 out of the
+box because of patent problems.
+In this case it needs an easy automatic way to download the codec !
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+&gt;<i> Nevertheless : since june, more than 1 Go of updates have been
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+</I>&gt;<i> access !!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's time to think again to provide a solution for limited speed or
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+</I>
+Are delta rpms supported by the buildsystem?
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:31:22AM +0200, Philippe DIDIER wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Nevertheless : since june, more than 1 Go of updates have been
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; provided... If you install now, you will need to have a good internet
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; access !!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It's time to think again to provide a solution for limited speed or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; limited download quotas...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Are delta rpms supported by the buildsystem?
+</I>
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+Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless
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+-----Mensaje original-----
+De: Florian Hubold &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt;
+Para: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>
+Enviado: martes 11 de octubre de 2011 09:04:08 GMT+00:00
+Asunto: Re: [Mageia-dev] TeamViewer under Cauldron x86_64
+
+Am 11.10.2011 09:51, schrieb Robert Fox:
+&gt;<i> I can't seem to get TeamViewer to install:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oot at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# urpmi teamviewer_linux.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> A requested package cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;<i> teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386 (due to unsatisfied libXdamage(x86-32))
+</I>&gt;<i> Continue installation anyway? (Y/n) y
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# rpm -qa | grep libXdamage
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# urpmi libXdamage
+</I>&gt;<i> No package named libXdamage
+</I>&gt;<i> The following packages contain libXdamage: libxdamage-devel,
+</I>&gt;<i> libxdamage-static-devel, libxdamage1
+</I>&gt;<i> You should use &quot;-a&quot; to use all of them
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# urpmi libXdamage1
+</I>&gt;<i> Package libxdamage1-1.1.3-1.mga1.i586 is already installed
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# rpm -qa | grep libXdamage
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# updatedb
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# locate libXdamage
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libXdamage.so.1
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libXdamage.so.1.1.0
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/libXdamage.la
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/libXdamage.so
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/libXdamage.so.1
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/libXdamage.so.1.1.0
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]#
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any help would be appreciated.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> R.Fox
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Simply install it with urpmi --allow-force --allow-nodeps as it will always ask
+you for that
+dependency and you can't satisfy it because the provide of our package is slightly
+different. These are the provides of our libXdamage:
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+ [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at mageia1</A> ~]$ rpm -q --provides libxdamage1
+ libxdamage = 1.1.3
+ libXdamage.so.1
+ libxdamage1 = 1.1.3-1.mga1
+ libxdamage1(x86-32) = 1.1.3-1.mga1
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+&gt;<i> dlucio &lt;dlucio&gt; 4:0.1.7-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 153934
+</I>&gt;<i> - 0.1.7
+</I>&gt;<i> - 0.1.6
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;some specs to keep compatibility between mandriva and mageia
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+summary and descriptions should be different....
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+&gt;<i> Updated status:
+</I>
+Updated status:
+=============
+Tested (OK):
+----------------
+Major video drivers : ati, intel
+Major input drivers: evdev, synaptics, wacom
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+Untested:
+------------
+Major video drivers : fb[1], vesa[1], fglrx, nouveau, nvidia
+Somewhat less important drivers: virtualbox, vmware, qxl
+Minor video drivers: sis
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+[1] used by the installer, tried in that order
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+ <I>Tue Oct 11 23:32:58 CEST 2011</I>
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+I just see this posted on opensuse's website:
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+&quot;The openSUSE Project announces the 1.0 release of the unique
+cross-distribution-capable, fully automated testing framework openQA.
+openQA is the only comprehensive testing tool which can run tests on
+every level of the OS, from core functionality like the bootloader and
+booting the kernel up to testing applications like Firefox and
+LibreOffice. It shows the results in a convenient web interface and
+allows testers to see screenshots and even videos of the issues
+found.&quot;
+
+It seems really really interesting.
+
+<A HREF="http://news.opensuse.org/2011/10/11/opensuse-announces-first-public-release-of-openqa/">http://news.opensuse.org/2011/10/11/opensuse-announces-first-public-release-of-openqa/</A>
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 11 Oct 2011, Olav Vitters wrote:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:31:22AM +0200, Philippe DIDIER wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Nevertheless : since june, more than 1 Go of updates have been
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> provided... If you install now, you will need to have a good internet
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> access !!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It's time to think again to provide a solution for limited speed or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> limited download quotas...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Are delta rpms supported by the buildsystem?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No
+</I>
+deltarpm hasn't been imported either.
+We could always base deltas on the last release, to simplifies the usage.
+To back out, we would go back to release and advance to whatever
+previous delta, if any.
+Many (if not most) users will have a release iso with the release packages.
+
+Other than deltas, we could release update isos, &#224; la mdv2010.2, with
+all non-updated release packages + updates. (Excluding any backports.)
+With our release cycle of 9 months, we could release these update isos
+every 3 months.
+That would considerably reduce update downloads on new installs.
+And maybe eventually a way to produce such update isos dynamically, at
+the time of download ?
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+Andr&#233;
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+It would be great if someone mastering wireless network issues could at least
+have a look to the bug report.
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+&gt;<i> forwarded from mageia-discuss
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+</I>&gt;<i> It would be great if someone mastering wireless network issues could at
+</I>&gt;<i> least have a look to the bug report.
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+<PRE>Hey there,
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+i'd like to start a poll or request for comments to change the default scanning
+application for hplip. Currently for hplip the default would be xsane, and it
+also searches for kooka (which is deprecated and was replaced by skanlite IIRC)
+and for xscanimage, in that order. As in my opinion xsane is quite complicated
+and not user-friendly for scanning, i want to change the default to
+simple-scan, to improve the user experience. All the others are kept, maybe
+replacing kooka by skanlite, only simple-scan would then be first in search order.
+
+This should be done first for cauldron. Debian/*buntu has already changed their
+defaults (seems logical as simple-scan was developed by an Ubuntu developer).
+For more information on simple-scan, you might have a look at
+<A HREF="https://launchpad.net/simple-scan">https://launchpad.net/simple-scan</A> or
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanner_Access_Now_Easy#Simple_Scan">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanner_Access_Now_Easy#Simple_Scan</A>
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+Please give your opinions.
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+<PRE>On Wednesday 12 October 2011 11:59, Florian Hubold wrote:
+&gt;<i> As in my opinion xsane is quite complicated
+</I>&gt;<i> and not user-friendly for scanning, i want to change the default to
+</I>&gt;<i> simple-scan, to improve the user experience. All the others are kept, maybe
+</I>&gt;<i> replacing kooka by skanlite, only simple-scan would then be first in search order.
+</I>
+Sounds like a good idea.
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+<PRE>Hey there,
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+currently nspluginwrapper tries to wrap x86_64 plugins (like native x86_64
+flash player plugin), but there is only i386 npviewer which is needed to run
+the plugins. You can see the problem from the following output, which are a
+more verbose form of the scripts run through nspluginwrapper filetrigger:
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+$ nspluginwrapper -v -i /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
+*** NSPlugin Viewer *** ERROR: /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so:
+wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
+nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for
+/usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
+
+In my and Anssi's opinion, nspluginwrapper.script (from nspluginwrapper
+filetrigger,
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/nspluginwrapper/current/SOURCES/nspluginwrapper.script?view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/nspluginwrapper/current/SOURCES/nspluginwrapper.script?view=markup</A>
+) should be modified by excluding /usr/lib64. BTW the scripts run during
+nspluginwrapper installation/removal get it right by only using /usr/lib:
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/nspluginwrapper/current/SPECS/nspluginwrapper.spec?view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/nspluginwrapper/current/SPECS/nspluginwrapper.spec?view=markup</A>
+Anybody more knowledgeable on nspluginwrapper care to share his opinion, or are
+there other reasons for objections?
+
+
+Also are there good reasons to still use nspluginwraper for flash player at
+all, as all current browser support out-of-thread execution of plugins and
+flash-player-plugin is available as native i586 and x86_64 plugins?
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+<PRE>On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:24, Florian Hubold &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hey there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> currently nspluginwrapper tries to wrap x86_64 plugins (like native x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> flash player plugin), but there is only i386 npviewer which is needed to run
+</I>&gt;<i> the plugins.
+</I>
+I'm quite sure we used to have the x86-64 version too
+
+&gt;<i> You can see the problem from the following output, which are a
+</I>&gt;<i> more verbose form of the scripts run through nspluginwrapper filetrigger:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ nspluginwrapper -v -i /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
+</I>&gt;<i> *** NSPlugin Viewer &#160;*** ERROR:
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
+</I>&gt;<i> nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In my and Anssi's opinion, nspluginwrapper.script (from nspluginwrapper
+</I>&gt;<i> filetrigger,
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/nspluginwrapper/current/SOURCES/nspluginwrapper.script?view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/nspluginwrapper/current/SOURCES/nspluginwrapper.script?view=markup</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> ) should be modified by excluding /usr/lib64. BTW the scripts run during is
+</I>&gt;<i> nspluginwrapper installation/removal get it right by only using /usr/lib:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/nspluginwrapper/current/SPECS/nspluginwrapper.spec?view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/nspluginwrapper/current/SPECS/nspluginwrapper.spec?view=markup</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anybody more knowledgeable on nspluginwrapper care to share his opinion, or
+</I>&gt;<i> are there other reasons for objections?
+</I>
+It used to be a good way to separate plugin execution into another
+process which is good for security/stability but browsers include that
+feature now
+
+&gt;<i> Also are there good reasons to still use nspluginwraper for flash player at
+</I>&gt;<i> all, as all current browser support out-of-thread execution of plugins and
+</I>&gt;<i> flash-player-plugin is available as native i586 and x86_64 plugins?
+</I>
+Indeed it is now less useful
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+&gt;<i> - added patches for .htaccess and shebang removal
+</I>patching is not the easiest way to do remove .htaccess files, and
+doesn't offer any garanty all relevant files are removed, especially as
+the software evolves. You'd better do it from the spec file directly:
+find . -name .htaccess | xargs rm -f
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+--
+BOFH excuse #116:
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+the real ttys became pseudo ttys and vice-versa.
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+<PRE>Am 12.10.2011 12:29, schrieb Pascal Terjan:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:24, Florian Hubold&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hey there,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> currently nspluginwrapper tries to wrap x86_64 plugins (like native x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> flash player plugin), but there is only i386 npviewer which is needed to run
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the plugins.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm quite sure we used to have the x86-64 version too
+</I>Well, seems not from looking at the history of our nspluginwrapper. Also seems
+Mandrivas SVN history
+got wiped out and so we can only look in changelog, nothing obvious about
+x86_64 npviewer there.
+Do you have any links?
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> You can see the problem from the following output, which are a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> more verbose form of the scripts run through nspluginwrapper filetrigger:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> $ nspluginwrapper -v -i /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> *** NSPlugin Viewer *** ERROR:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In my and Anssi's opinion, nspluginwrapper.script (from nspluginwrapper
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> filetrigger,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/nspluginwrapper/current/SOURCES/nspluginwrapper.script?view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/nspluginwrapper/current/SOURCES/nspluginwrapper.script?view=markup</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ) should be modified by excluding /usr/lib64. BTW the scripts run during is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nspluginwrapper installation/removal get it right by only using /usr/lib:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/nspluginwrapper/current/SPECS/nspluginwrapper.spec?view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/nspluginwrapper/current/SPECS/nspluginwrapper.spec?view=markup</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anybody more knowledgeable on nspluginwrapper care to share his opinion, or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are there other reasons for objections?
+</I>&gt;<i> It used to be a good way to separate plugin execution into another
+</I>&gt;<i> process which is good for security/stability but browsers include that
+</I>&gt;<i> feature now
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Also are there good reasons to still use nspluginwraper for flash player at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> all, as all current browser support out-of-thread execution of plugins and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> flash-player-plugin is available as native i586 and x86_64 plugins?
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed it is now less useful
+</I>Can i take that as +1 to exclude flash-player-plugin from wrapping?
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+ <B>Joaquin Mandriva</B>
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+The package Lazarus in Cauldron only works on gtk2. For working with qt
+is neccesary to change the line of the file spec 'export LCL_PLATFORM=gtk2'
+to 'export LCL_PLATFORM=qt'.
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+Find an example of file spec here:
+<A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947">https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947</A>
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+Afterwards, do what it is shown on the section &quot;Quick start guide for Linux&quot;
+of the website:
+<A HREF="http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Qt_Interface">http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Qt_Interface</A>
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+Which says:
+ - To visit: <A HREF="http://users.telenet.be/Jan.Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/fpcqt4.html">http://users.telenet.be/Jan.Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/fpcqt4.html</A>
+ - To download:
+<A HREF="http://users.telenet.be/Jan.Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/V2.4/bin-qt4pas-V2.4_Qt4.5.3.tar.gz">http://users.telenet.be/Jan.Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/V2.4/bin-qt4pas-V2.4_Qt4.5.3.tar.gz</A>
+ - To unpack: bin-qt4pas-V2.4_Qt4.5.3.tar.gz
+ - To copy files to /usr/lib
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+Lazarus QT is neccessary to pack Double Commander 0.5.1.
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+Regards,
+Joaquin.
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+ <B>Florian Hubold</B>
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+<PRE>Am 11.10.2011 11:21, schrieb andre999:
+&gt;<i> Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 28.09.2011 14:40, schrieb Florian Hubold:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 22.09.2011 21:37, schrieb Florian Hubold:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 22.09.2011 00:09, schrieb Luc Menut:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My own opinion is we should do both 1 and 3 in your list of options
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1/ Change the defaults in /etc/security/msec/level.* and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 3/ make dma a suggest for msec
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If these two changes were introduced as updates to Mageia 1 then the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> consequences would I believe be.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a/ Users with default configuration :-
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Changing the defaults in /etc/security/msec/level.* will not affect an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> existing installation unless they change their security level.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mail would go into /var/spool/mail/root instead of /root/dead.letter They
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> probably would still not see the mail because they are unlikely to know
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> how to configure another user to receive roots mail. The only change they
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> would notice is when logging in at a root console they would see a message
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> saying &quot;You have new mail&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> b/ Users who have configured a real mail address in msec
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Installing dma as a require will cause these mails to actually start being
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> delivered. Since the user has put the real mail address in the msec
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> configuration we have to assume they actually want the mails to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> delivered so that is a &quot;good thing&quot;. If their ISP will only accept mail
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> from a real MTA as mentioned by Frank Griffin then the message will not be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> delivered unless a relay host is defined in dma. Since they are already
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> not being delivered nothing will have changed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> c/ New users of Mageia 2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Changing the defaults in /etc/security/msec/level.* will suppress emails
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> other than to those users who have specifically requested them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hope that helps
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Derek
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So if nobody objects or sees other problem with this, i'll modify
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the defaults in /etc/security/msec/level.* to not send email by default
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and making dma a suggest for msec.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This poses another problem:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On a default configuration, we would enable sending reports by installing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dma with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the msec update, but also disable sending of all reports by changing the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> default settings,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which will apply for everybody who has not run msec-gui or configured msec
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> manually.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So this change would be quite antipodal.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm for not changing the default to send mail to root, as this would enable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sending of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reports on default configurations, and change nothing for configurations
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> where people
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> want those reports sent by mail.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Opinions, please?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Option 1 disables sending reports by default.
+</I>&gt;<i> Option 3 ensures that if the user decides to enable sending reports,
+</I>&gt;<i> everything needed to send reports locally is already installed.
+</I>&gt;<i> Considering that dma is only adds 64 k, and yields gracefully if another MTA
+</I>&gt;<i> is installed, that is not a big overhead.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However note that ignored messages quickly accumulate and will end up
+</I>&gt;<i> occupying a lot of disk space, which would be problematic after a while for
+</I>&gt;<i> users with limited space on their / partition.
+</I>&gt;<i> Because of this, I would suggest another change :
+</I>&gt;<i> (maybe call it option 1+ ?)
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) No default destination. (It is now MAIL_USER=root for all security levels.)
+</I>&gt;<i> and
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) To make this effective, msec will have to be changed so that if there is
+</I>&gt;<i> no email adresse (or userid) is entered, then no email is sent, even if
+</I>&gt;<i> sending is inadvertantly enabled.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've tested msec, and if
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) sending a security alert is enabled, and
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) there is no default defined (stored as MAIL_USER= in
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/security/msec/level.*), and
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) there is an empty send-to field (stored as MAIL_USER= in
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/security/msec/security.conf),
+</I>&gt;<i> an email is now sent to root.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It may be that msec is sending the email without an addressee, and it is
+</I>&gt;<i> automatically routed it to root by my MTA (sendmail).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This change should be relatively simple to implement (once we find the place
+</I>&gt;<i> in the code), as instead of sending an alert email to a default destination
+</I>&gt;<i> (root) if the user hasn't entered one, the alert is simply not sent.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> my 2 cents :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>This sounds like a rather big change for a purely bugfix update, because it
+would also need changes in msec code.
+Any other opinions on this?
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+ <B>andre999</B>
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+ <I>Wed Oct 12 12:57:06 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>Joaquin Mandriva a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The package Lazarus in Cauldron only works on gtk2. For working with qt
+</I>&gt;<i> is neccesary to change the line of the file spec 'export
+</I>&gt;<i> LCL_PLATFORM=gtk2'
+</I>&gt;<i> to 'export LCL_PLATFORM=qt'.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Find an example of file spec here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947">https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947">https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Afterwards, do what it is shown on the section &quot;Quick start guide for
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> of the website:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Qt_Interface">http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Qt_Interface</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Which says:
+</I>&gt;<i> - To visit: <A HREF="http://users.telenet.be/Jan.Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/fpcqt4.html">http://users.telenet.be/Jan.Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/fpcqt4.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> - To download:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://users.telenet.be/Jan.Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/V2.4/bin-qt4pas-V2.4_Qt4.5.3.tar.gz">http://users.telenet.be/Jan.Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/V2.4/bin-qt4pas-V2.4_Qt4.5.3.tar.gz</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> - To unpack: bin-qt4pas-V2.4_Qt4.5.3.tar.gz
+</I>&gt;<i> - To copy files to /usr/lib
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Lazarus QT is neccessary to pack Double Commander 0.5.1.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Joaquin.
+</I>
+You're suggesting to make a companion package that works with QT ?
+Or removing the gtk2 version ?
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+--
+Andr&#233;
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+&gt;<i> Le 12/10/2011 11:52, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - added patches for .htaccess and shebang removal
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> patching is not the easiest way to do remove .htaccess files, and
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't offer any garanty all relevant files are removed, especially as
+</I>&gt;<i> the software evolves. You'd better do it from the spec file directly:
+</I>&gt;<i> find . -name .htaccess | xargs rm -f
+</I>I see now, my commit message wasn't quite clear...
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+I didn't remove the .htacces by this patch. I patched some things inside the
+.htaccess and I added a patch to remove the shebang out of some scripts as
+it's done by Fedora.
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+I will work on my commit messages in the future :/
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+&gt;<i> Can i take that as +1 to exclude flash-player-plugin from wrapping?
+</I>
+I don't know the technical ins and outs but when 64 bit
+flash-player-plugin was updated to the native 64 bit flash it was
+necessary to first uninstall the 32 bit plugin. As we currently have no
+obvious way to let people know to do things like that, it could have
+caused problems for people. That obviously doesn't do anything to
+improve the Mageia experience, so a non technical +1 from me if that counts.
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+<PRE>Le 12/10/2011 10:39, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> forwarded from mageia-discuss
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+</I>&gt;<i> It would be great if someone mastering wireless network issues could at least
+</I>&gt;<i> have a look to the bug report.
+</I>As for every other problem involving drakxtools (or any other
+configuration tool), it would help to test either manual wireless
+access, either with another configuration tool (network-manager comes to
+my mind) to distinguish between problems in configuration code and
+problems in actual connectivity tools.
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+--
+BOFH excuse #280:
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+Traceroute says that there is a routing problem in the backbone. It's
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+ <B>Joaquin Mandriva</B>
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+<PRE>2011/10/12 andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Joaquin Mandriva a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The package Lazarus in Cauldron only works on gtk2. For working with qt
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is neccesary to change the line of the file spec 'export
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> LCL_PLATFORM=gtk2'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to 'export LCL_PLATFORM=qt'.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Find an example of file spec here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/**package/view_file?file=**">https://build.opensuse.org/**package/view_file?file=**</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=**lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%**3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=**
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a09**47&lt;<A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947">https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947</A>&gt;&lt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/**package/view_file?file=**">https://build.opensuse.org/**package/view_file?file=**</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=**lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%**3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=**
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a09**47&lt;<A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947">https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Afterwards, do what it is shown on the section &quot;Quick start guide for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Linux&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of the website:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.lazarus.**freepascal.org/Qt_Interface&lt;http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Qt_Interface">http://wiki.lazarus.**freepascal.org/Qt_Interface&lt;http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Qt_Interface</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Which says:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - To visit: <A HREF="http://users.telenet.be/Jan.**Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/fpcqt4.**">http://users.telenet.be/Jan.**Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/fpcqt4.**</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> html &lt;<A HREF="http://users.telenet.be/Jan.Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/fpcqt4.html">http://users.telenet.be/Jan.Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/fpcqt4.html</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - To download: <A HREF="http://users.telenet.be/Jan.**">http://users.telenet.be/Jan.**</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/V2.4/bin-**qt4pas-V2.4_Qt4.5.3.tar.gz&lt;<A HREF="http://users.telenet.be/Jan.Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/V2.4/bin-qt4pas-V2.4_Qt4.5.3.tar.gz">http://users.telenet.be/Jan.Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/V2.4/bin-qt4pas-V2.4_Qt4.5.3.tar.gz</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - To unpack: bin-qt4pas-V2.4_Qt4.5.3.tar.gz
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - To copy files to /usr/lib
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Lazarus QT is neccessary to pack Double Commander 0.5.1.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Joaquin.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+&gt;<i> You're suggesting to make a companion package that works with QT ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yes, it's necessary (for example) to pack Double Commander 0.5.1.
+<A HREF="http://doublecmd.sourceforge.net/">http://doublecmd.sourceforge.net/</A>
+
+Or removing the gtk2 version?
+&gt;<i>
+</I>No, in OpenSuse exists both versions.
+
+lazarus-qt:
+<A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947">https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947</A>
+
+lazarus:
+<A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus.spec&amp;package=lazarus&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=81e9d884632483ac9e97498d4d12b567">https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus.spec&amp;package=lazarus&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=81e9d884632483ac9e97498d4d12b567</A>
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>Le 12/10/2011 13:02, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Am Mittwoch, 12. Oktober 2011, 12:31:31 schrieb Guillaume Rousse:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 12/10/2011 11:52, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - added patches for .htaccess and shebang removal
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> patching is not the easiest way to do remove .htaccess files, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> doesn't offer any garanty all relevant files are removed, especially as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the software evolves. You'd better do it from the spec file directly:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> find . -name .htaccess | xargs rm -f
+</I>&gt;<i> I see now, my commit message wasn't quite clear...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I didn't remove the .htacces by this patch. I patched some things inside the
+</I>&gt;<i> .htaccess and I added a patch to remove the shebang out of some scripts as
+</I>&gt;<i> it's done by Fedora.
+</I>That's not a proper practice to rely on multiple .htaccess files
+scattered among individual directories to configure an application when
+you have total control on apache configuration, you're supposed to use a
+unique apache configuration file:
+<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Policies/Web_Applications#Configuration">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Policies/Web_Applications#Configuration</A>
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+<PRE>Am Mittwoch, 12. Oktober 2011, 13:30:21 schrieb Guillaume Rousse:
+&gt;<i> That's not a proper practice to rely on multiple .htaccess files
+</I>&gt;<i> scattered among individual directories to configure an application when
+</I>&gt;<i> you have total control on apache configuration, you're supposed to use a
+</I>&gt;<i> unique apache configuration file:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Policies/Web_Applications#Configuration">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Policies/Web_Applications#Configuration</A>
+</I>Guilty as charged. I did overread that part of the policy. Will fix it.
+
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 11/10/11 19:45 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 11 October 2011 09:59, Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Updated status:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Updated status:
+</I>&gt;<i> =============
+</I>&gt;<i> Tested (OK):
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Major video drivers : ati, intel
+</I>&gt;<i> Major input drivers: evdev, synaptics, wacom
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Untested:
+</I>&gt;<i> ------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Major video drivers : fb[1], vesa[1], fglrx, nouveau, nvidia
+</I>&gt;<i> Somewhat less important drivers: virtualbox, vmware, qxl
+</I>&gt;<i> Minor video drivers: sis
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [1] used by the installer, tried in that order
+</I>
+FWIW, I think there are still several packages not in testing...
+certainly my normal update process recommends several as potentially
+being available from release, but none from testing... Are more still
+needed to be bumped and pushed there?
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Robert Fox at 11/10/11 08:51 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> I can't seem to get TeamViewer to install:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oot at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# urpmi teamviewer_linux.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> A requested package cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;<i> teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386 (due to unsatisfied libXdamage(x86-32))
+</I>&gt;<i> Continue installation anyway? (Y/n) y
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# rpm -qa | grep libXdamage
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# urpmi libXdamage
+</I>&gt;<i> No package named libXdamage
+</I>&gt;<i> The following packages contain libXdamage: libxdamage-devel,
+</I>&gt;<i> libxdamage-static-devel, libxdamage1
+</I>&gt;<i> You should use &quot;-a&quot; to use all of them
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# urpmi libXdamage1
+</I>&gt;<i> Package libxdamage1-1.1.3-1.mga1.i586 is already installed
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# rpm -qa | grep libXdamage
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# updatedb
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# locate libXdamage
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libXdamage.so.1
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libXdamage.so.1.1.0
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/libXdamage.la
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/libXdamage.so
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/libXdamage.so.1
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/libXdamage.so.1.1.0
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]#
+</I>
+rpm -q --provides -f /usr/lib/libXdamage.so.1
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+But as others have said, the package being installed is simply not built
+with our deps in mind, so either create a dummy &quot;bridging&quot; package that
+requires our libxdamage1(x86-32) and provides libXdamange(x86-32) or
+just force the install.
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+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Robert Fox at 10/10/11 14:14 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Note sure why I am getting this long list of errors during an update:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> defaulting background resolution to 1024x768
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> defaulting background resolution to 1024x768
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong
+</I>&gt;<i> into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : Not a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> defaulting background resolution to 1024x768
+</I>&gt;<i> removing installed rpms
+</I>&gt;<i> (mageia-theme-kde-background-1.5.0.18-2.mga2.noarch.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia-theme-Default-screensaver-1.5.0.18-2.mga2.noarch.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia-theme-Default-1.5.0.18-2.mga2.noarch.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia-theme-common-1.5.0.18-2.mga2.noarch.rpm)
+</I>&gt;<i> from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+</I>&gt;<i> unlocking urpmi database
+</I>&gt;<i> unlocking rpm database
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> rfox]#
+</I>
+This is probably just showing up for you now on your 64 bit setup since
+a bug in module-init-tools was fixed.
+
+
+I don't think it's a huge problem overall.
+
+Col
+
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+ <B>Thomas Backlund</B>
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+<PRE>Colin Guthrie skrev 12.10.2011 15:37:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 11/10/11 19:45 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 11 October 2011 09:59, Thierry Vignaud&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Updated status:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Updated status:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> =============
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Tested (OK):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ----------------
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Major video drivers : ati, intel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Major input drivers: evdev, synaptics, wacom
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Untested:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ------------
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Major video drivers : fb[1], vesa[1], fglrx, nouveau, nvidia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Somewhat less important drivers: virtualbox, vmware, qxl
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Minor video drivers: sis
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [1] used by the installer, tried in that order
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> FWIW, I think there are still several packages not in testing...
+</I>&gt;<i> certainly my normal update process recommends several as potentially
+</I>&gt;<i> being available from release, but none from testing... Are more still
+</I>&gt;<i> needed to be bumped and pushed there?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yeah. Thierry forgot to bump release before re-pushing to testing, so
+the same release is in both /release and /updates_testing for several
+rpms...
+
+I did a: urpmi --auto-update --media &quot;Core Updates Testing&quot; to work
+around it here.
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Johnny A. Solbu at 10/10/11 11:08 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Monday 10 October 2011 12:02, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OSS support doesn't cost anything to us, so I see no reason to not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> enable us by default like we do for years.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree.
+</I>
+It does cost something. It costs a user process and it costs a kernel
+module and various other bits and bobs on a running system. Either that
+or it costs the pain of maintaning soundwrapper and patching all the
+packages that we know to use oss sound to use it. To say it costs us
+nothing is just not true.
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+We should also be good citizens and try to discourage the use of legacy
+systems, just like we're doing with esound.
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+I'm all for providing the support, but I'm not convinced it should be
+enabled by default. Just an option that can be enabled for users that
+need it and is well documented.
+
+Col
+
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 12/10/11 13:49 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;&gt;<i> FWIW, I think there are still several packages not in testing...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> certainly my normal update process recommends several as potentially
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> being available from release, but none from testing... Are more still
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> needed to be bumped and pushed there?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah. Thierry forgot to bump release before re-pushing to testing, so
+</I>&gt;<i> the same release is in both /release and /updates_testing for several
+</I>&gt;<i> rpms...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did a: urpmi --auto-update --media &quot;Core Updates Testing&quot; to work
+</I>&gt;<i> around it here.
+</I>
+Ahh right. I only did --searchmedia, not --media. Hey ho!
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Joaquin Mandriva a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011/10/12 andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Joaquin Mandriva a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The package Lazarus in Cauldron only works on gtk2. For
+</I>&gt;<i> working with qt
+</I>&gt;<i> is neccesary to change the line of the file spec 'export
+</I>&gt;<i> LCL_PLATFORM=gtk2'
+</I>&gt;<i> to 'export LCL_PLATFORM=qt'.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Find an example of file spec here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947">https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947">https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947">https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947">https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947</A>&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Afterwards, do what it is shown on the section &quot;Quick start
+</I>&gt;<i> guide for Linux&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> of the website:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Qt_Interface">http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Qt_Interface</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Which says:
+</I>&gt;<i> - To visit:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://users.telenet.be/Jan.Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/fpcqt4.html">http://users.telenet.be/Jan.Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/fpcqt4.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> - To download:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://users.telenet.be/Jan.Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/V2.4/bin-qt4pas-V2.4_Qt4.5.3.tar.gz">http://users.telenet.be/Jan.Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/V2.4/bin-qt4pas-V2.4_Qt4.5.3.tar.gz</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> - To unpack: bin-qt4pas-V2.4_Qt4.5.3.tar.gz
+</I>&gt;<i> - To copy files to /usr/lib
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Lazarus QT is neccessary to pack Double Commander 0.5.1.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Joaquin.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You're suggesting to make a companion package that works with QT ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, it's necessary (for example) to pack Double Commander 0.5.1.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://doublecmd.sourceforge.net/">http://doublecmd.sourceforge.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Following the various links from there, there is a gtk2 version of
+Double Commander 0.5.1 for Mandriva 2010.1 (called doublecmd-gtk)
+<A HREF="http://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=home:Alexx2000&amp;package=doublecmd-gtk">http://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=home:Alexx2000&amp;package=doublecmd-gtk</A>
+(Click the Mandriva icon.)
+It is in the official Mandriva repos. (i586, x86_64, and src.rpm packages)
+So it could be imported as an update.
+
+Unless of course you want to avoid gtk2.
+
+Since we are only talking about buildrequires between the Lazarus and
+Lazarus-qt, the difference is essentially requiring QT vs. resquiring gtk2.
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+Regards,
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+Andr&#233;
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Robert Fox at 11/10/11 08:51 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can't seem to get TeamViewer to install:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oot at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# urpmi teamviewer_linux.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A requested package cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386 (due to unsatisfied libXdamage(x86-32))
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Continue installation anyway? (Y/n) y
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# rpm -qa | grep libXdamage
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# urpmi libXdamage
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No package named libXdamage
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The following packages contain libXdamage: libxdamage-devel,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libxdamage-static-devel, libxdamage1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You should use &quot;-a&quot; to use all of them
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# urpmi libXdamage1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Package libxdamage1-1.1.3-1.mga1.i586 is already installed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# rpm -qa | grep libXdamage
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# updatedb
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]# locate libXdamage
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libXdamage.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libXdamage.so.1.1.0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/libXdamage.la
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/libXdamage.so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/libXdamage.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/libXdamage.so.1.1.0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ThinkFox</A> Downloads]#
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm -q --provides -f /usr/lib/libXdamage.so.1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But as others have said, the package being installed is simply not built
+</I>&gt;<i> with our deps in mind, so either create a dummy &quot;bridging&quot; package that
+</I>&gt;<i> requires our libxdamage1(x86-32) and provides libXdamange(x86-32) or
+</I>&gt;<i> just force the install.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Or maybe do like with skype and whip up a get-teamviewer package ...
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+Unless there are some topics to be discussed on IRC, there is no
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+&gt;&gt;<i> As in my opinion xsane is quite complicated
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and not user-friendly for scanning, i want to change the default to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> simple-scan, to improve the user experience. All the others are kept, maybe
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> replacing kooka by skanlite, only simple-scan would then be first in search order.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Sounds like a good idea.
+</I>
+It doesn't integrate within gimp
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 12 octobre 2011 20:40:51, philippe makowski a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2011/9/14 Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You may know it or not, many packages have no maintainer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If I do a mgarepo maintdb get | grep python- | grep nobody | wc -l
+</I>&gt;<i> I get 148
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> if nobody stand, may be I can take them
+</I>&gt;<i> but with the idea that if someone else than me touch these packages to
+</I>&gt;<i> maintain them, I will be pleased ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> or can we set up teams ?
+</I>
+(answering on the mageia-dev list)
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+Teams would not be a bad thing, I think we may have to set up them if we want
+some of the remaining unmaintained packages find maintainers. Until then (I
+don't know when we will have them), if you think you can maintain python
+packages, I sure won't cry if 148 packages find a maintainer :)
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+Are there other packagers who would be interested in maintaining python
+packages within a group ?
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+Samuel
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+how and when will we make the move ?
+should we need to provide native systemd service files for Mageia 2 ?
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+some doc from Fedora for packaging :
+<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines:Systemd">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines:Systemd</A>
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+<PRE>2011/10/12 Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
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+</I>&gt;<i> Are there other packagers who would be interested in maintaining python
+</I>&gt;<i> packages within a group ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I would, when I am a packager.
+I'm just starting mentorship, but I am interested in python packages,
+and a group would be a good means to gain experience.
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+Regards,
+R&#233;mi / Akien
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+&gt;<i> how and when will we make the move ?
+</I>&gt;<i> should we need to provide native systemd service files for Mageia 2 ?
+</I>
+Would you have tried to install Cauldron, you would know it's enabled
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 12 octobre 2011 19:23:13 Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Name : akonadi-google Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 0.2 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 0.git.20110717.2.mga2 Build Date: Wed Oct 12 18:29:18
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011 Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Graphical desktop/KDE Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 271339 License: GPLv3+
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://progdan.cz/category/akonadi-google/">http://progdan.cz/category/akonadi-google/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : Akonadi ressource for accessing Goolge Services
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> An Akonadi Resource for accessing Google services, like Google Calendar and
+</I>&gt;<i> Google Contacts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> dlucio &lt;dlucio&gt; 0.2-0.git.20110717.2.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 154131
+</I>&gt;<i> - Rebuild to see if we void core dumps
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> + mikala &lt;mikala&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> - imported package akonadi-google
+</I>It won't fix it.
+The problem is more related to kdepimlibs (&amp; if i'm not wrong i did open a bug
+report about it).
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+&gt;<i> On 12 October 2011 12:09, Johnny A. Solbu&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As in my opinion xsane is quite complicated
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and not user-friendly for scanning, i want to change the default to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> simple-scan, to improve the user experience. All the others are kept, maybe
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> replacing kooka by skanlite, only simple-scan would then be first in search order.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sounds like a good idea.
+</I>&gt;<i> It doesn't integrate within gimp
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>You still can launch xsane from gimp, if you like, or do you mean
+that you can directly call gimp from xsane? Also please remember, this
+is only about the default scanning application for hplip (hp-scan).
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+<PRE>&#22312; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 04:08:48 +0800, Thierry Vignaud
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
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+&gt;<i> On 12 October 2011 21:00, philippe makowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">makowski.mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> how and when will we make the move ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should we need to provide native systemd service files for Mageia 2 ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would you have tried to install Cauldron, you would know it's enabled
+</I>&gt;<i> by default.
+</I>I know colin had explained before, but my cauldron still lost sound in the
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+last update and I got no idea how to get it back. Any idea, guys?
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+I looked into /etc/pam.d and renamed system-auth.rpmnew to system-auth,
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+but after doing so I still got no sound.
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+<PRE>On 13 October 2011 03:19, Florian Hubold &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As in my opinion xsane is quite complicated
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and not user-friendly for scanning, i want to change the default to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> simple-scan, to improve the user experience. All the others are kept,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> maybe
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> replacing kooka by skanlite, only simple-scan would then be first in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> search order.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sounds like a good idea.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It doesn't integrate within gimp
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You still can launch xsane from gimp, if you like, or do you mean
+</I>&gt;<i> that you can directly call gimp from xsane? Also please remember, this
+</I>&gt;<i> is only about the default scanning application for hplip (hp-scan).
+</I>
+xsane is ugly and needs a replacement.
+simple-scan looks nice but cannot be called from within gimp.
+Maybe should we just change the user workflow
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+&gt;<i> Would you have tried to install Cauldron, you would know it's enabled
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>;)
+ok
+
+so let me express this another way :
+are we taking the decision to have mandatory move from SysV initscript
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+<PRE>philippe makowski skrev 13.10.2011 09:58:
+&gt;<i> 2011/10/12 Thierry Vignaud&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Would you have tried to install Cauldron, you would know it's enabled
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> by default.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> ok
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so let me express this another way :
+</I>&gt;<i> are we taking the decision to have mandatory move from SysV initscript
+</I>&gt;<i> to systemd unit file for our packages that use SysV initscript ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> any doc, recommandation on how we manage this migration in our spec ?
+</I>
+
+No, it's not mandatory.
+(but yes we forced it for now on Cauldron to get more systemd testers)
+
+For Mageia 2 we will support both initscripts and systemd
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+Mageia 3 will probably be systemd only.
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+&gt;<i> No, it's not mandatory.
+</I>&gt;<i> (but yes we forced it for now on Cauldron to get more systemd testers)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For Mageia 2 we will support both initscripts and systemd
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>ok
+any howto available ?
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+where do we put systemd files ?
+is %{_unitdir} the correct place ?
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+any doc, scriptlet on how to deal with intscripts removing and systemd
+settings ?
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+what do we do with %_post_service and %_preun_service ?
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+is there in cauldron a spec that already implemented the move from
+initscripts to systemd ?
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+<PRE>Le 13/10/2011 10:08, philippe makowski a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2011/10/13 Thomas Backlund&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No, it's not mandatory.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (but yes we forced it for now on Cauldron to get more systemd testers)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For Mageia 2 we will support both initscripts and systemd
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ok
+</I>&gt;<i> any howto available ?
+</I>no
+
+&gt;<i> where do we put systemd files ?
+</I>&gt;<i> is %{_unitdir} the correct place ?
+</I>yes
+
+&gt;<i> any doc, scriptlet on how to deal with intscripts removing and systemd
+</I>&gt;<i> settings ?
+</I>no
+
+&gt;<i> what do we do with %_post_service and %_preun_service ?
+</I>Those macros will have to be enhanced to handle new behaviours, without
+having to modify packages.
+
+&gt;<i> is there in cauldron a spec that already implemented the move from
+</I>&gt;<i> initscripts to systemd ?
+</I>Not really &quot;moved from initscripts&quot;, rather &quot;with additional systemd
+support&quot;: apache, openssh, mysql, ntpd... BTW, the easiest way is to
+look in fedora git repository:
+pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb
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+&gt;<i> On 13 October 2011 03:19, Florian Hubold&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As in my opinion xsane is quite complicated
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and not user-friendly for scanning, i want to change the default to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> simple-scan, to improve the user experience. All the others are kept,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> maybe
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> replacing kooka by skanlite, only simple-scan would then be first in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> search order.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sounds like a good idea.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It doesn't integrate within gimp
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You still can launch xsane from gimp, if you like, or do you mean
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that you can directly call gimp from xsane? Also please remember, this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is only about the default scanning application for hplip (hp-scan).
+</I>&gt;<i> xsane is ugly and needs a replacement.
+</I>That's what i meant. *buntu at least seem to have switched to using
+simple-scan as default, maybe they have some patches for gimp? I'll take a look.
+&gt;<i> simple-scan looks nice but cannot be called from within gimp.
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe should we just change the user workflow
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Kira at 13/10/11 06:08 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> &#22312; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 04:08:48 +0800, Thierry Vignaud
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 12 October 2011 21:00, philippe makowski
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">makowski.mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> how and when will we make the move ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> should we need to provide native systemd service files for Mageia 2 ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Would you have tried to install Cauldron, you would know it's enabled
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> by default.
+</I>&gt;<i> I know colin had explained before, but my cauldron still lost sound in the
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> last update and I got no idea how to get it back. Any idea, guys?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I looked into /etc/pam.d and renamed system-auth.rpmnew to system-auth,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but after doing so I still got no sound.
+</I>
+Then you need to check systemd-loginctl to see if your user is listed.
+If it's not then that is the primary problem. If you are not listed,
+then you need say which DM you use (e.g. gdm or kdm) and we can take it
+further.
+
+If you are listed, make sure you have permissions on the sound device
+nodes (getfacl /dev/snd/pcm*)
+
+Col
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
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+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Day Job:
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>&gt;&gt;<i> what do we do with %_post_service and %_preun_service ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Those macros will have to be enhanced to handle new behaviours, without
+</I>&gt;<i> having to modify packages.
+</I>???
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+&gt;&gt;<i> is there in cauldron a spec that already implemented the move from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> initscripts to systemd ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not really &quot;moved from initscripts&quot;, rather &quot;with additional systemd
+</I>&gt;<i> support&quot;: apache, openssh, mysql, ntpd...
+</I>I will take a look
+looking at openssh both scripts are provided ?
+I'm lost
+
+&gt;<i> BTW, the easiest way is to look in
+</I>&gt;<i> fedora git repository:
+</I>I know
+but I guess that Mageia have some rules that Fedora don't have and vice versa
+and about Fedora, for next 16 coming, they make the &quot;move&quot;
+<A HREF="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=713562">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=713562</A>
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+<PRE>&#22312; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:23:57 +0800, Colin Guthrie
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
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+</I>&gt;<i> Then you need to check systemd-loginctl to see if your user is listed.
+</I>&gt;<i> If it's not then that is the primary problem. If you are not listed,
+</I>&gt;<i> then you need say which DM you use (e.g. gdm or kdm) and we can take it
+</I>&gt;<i> further.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I got nothing listed in the output of the command.
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+I am using KDM without auto-login.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 13/10/11 09:44 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 13/10/2011 10:08, philippe makowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what do we do with %_post_service and %_preun_service ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Those macros will have to be enhanced to handle new behaviours, without
+</I>&gt;<i> having to modify packages.
+</I>
+/usr/share/rpm-helper/add-service already has some systemd support....
+what's still missing?
+
+Col
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
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+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Day Job:
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+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Kira at 13/10/11 10:28 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> &#22312; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:23:57 +0800, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then you need to check systemd-loginctl to see if your user is listed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If it's not then that is the primary problem. If you are not listed,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then you need say which DM you use (e.g. gdm or kdm) and we can take it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> further.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I got nothing listed in the output of the command.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am using KDM without auto-login.
+</I>
+Well that is the problem. That combination works for me (or did when I
+last tested it a while ago). It'll be a pam issue in some capacity. Make
+sure you have the systemd registration in the relevant pam.d file used
+(I presume /etc/pam.d/kdm these days?) Here, it has both the
+pam_loginuid.so and the system-auth include which are both needed.
+
+Make sure your system-auth has:
+-session optional pam_systemd.so
+
+in it.
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Le 13/10/2011 11:29, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 13/10/11 09:44 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 13/10/2011 10:08, philippe makowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> what do we do with %_post_service and %_preun_service ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Those macros will have to be enhanced to handle new behaviours, without
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> having to modify packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/rpm-helper/add-service already has some systemd support....
+</I>&gt;<i> what's still missing?
+</I>I wasn't aware.
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+Looking at the code, I don't see any call to 'systemctl daemon-reload'
+in add-service, whereas it is present in del-service. Shouldn't we use a
+filetrigger instead to automatically manage this kind of issue, so as to
+not rely on the package ? Also, they are other kind of systemd units to
+handle.
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+BOFH excuse #334:
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+<PRE>&#22312; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:33:22 +0800, Colin Guthrie
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well that is the problem. That combination works for me (or did when I
+</I>&gt;<i> last tested it a while ago). It'll be a pam issue in some capacity. Make
+</I>&gt;<i> sure you have the systemd registration in the relevant pam.d file used
+</I>&gt;<i> (I presume /etc/pam.d/kdm these days?) Here, it has both the
+</I>&gt;<i> pam_loginuid.so and the system-auth include which are both needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Make sure your system-auth has:
+</I>&gt;<i> -session optional pam_systemd.so
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> in it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Okay, it works now. Adding -session optional pam_system.so into system-auth
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Kira at 13/10/11 10:50 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> &#22312; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:33:22 +0800, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well that is the problem. That combination works for me (or did when I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> last tested it a while ago). It'll be a pam issue in some capacity. Make
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sure you have the systemd registration in the relevant pam.d file used
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (I presume /etc/pam.d/kdm these days?) Here, it has both the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pam_loginuid.so and the system-auth include which are both needed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Make sure your system-auth has:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -session optional pam_systemd.so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Okay, it works now. Adding -session optional pam_system.so into system-auth
+</I>
+Hmm, OK, but the question is, where did it go? This should have been in
+the system-auth.rpmnew file... perhaps you purged it before without
+properly resolving it?
+
+Col
+
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+--
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+<PRE>hi, I am willing to get AdHoc WiFi working automaticaly on Mageia 1. For now, with drakxtools :
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+- BAD : no IP address is assigned if no dhcp daemon is found.
+- CORRECTION : launch &quot;avahi-autoipd ethX&quot;
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+So it does not work without CLI. So questions to have this working at least on MGA2:
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+2. Does anyone with drakxtools knowledge think it can be patched it to do that?
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+<PRE>On 10/13/2011 05:29 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 13/10/11 09:44 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 13/10/2011 10:08, philippe makowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> what do we do with %_post_service and %_preun_service ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Those macros will have to be enhanced to handle new behaviours, without
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> having to modify packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/rpm-helper/add-service already has some systemd support....
+</I>&gt;<i> what's still missing?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>The del-service helper has some support, but it gets mighty unhappy when
+you're not actually using systemd. :)
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+# urpme ipsec-tools
+removing ipsec-tools-0.7.3-4.mga1.x86_64
+process 8398: arguments to dbus_connection_send_with_reply_and_block()
+were incorrect, assertion &quot;connection != NULL&quot; failed in file
+dbus-connection.c line 3483.
+This is normally a bug in some application using the D-Bus library.
+ D-Bus not built with -rdynamic so unable to print a backtrace
+/usr/share/rpm-helper/del-service: line 32: 8398
+Aborted (core dumped) /bin/systemctl daemon-reload
+process 8431: arguments to dbus_connection_send_with_reply_and_block()
+were incorrect, assertion &quot;connection != NULL&quot; failed in file
+dbus-connection.c line 3483.
+This is normally a bug in some application using the D-Bus library.
+ D-Bus not built with -rdynamic so unable to print a backtrace
+/usr/share/rpm-helper/del-service: line 32: 8431
+Aborted (core dumped) /bin/systemctl daemon-reload
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+<PRE>&#22312; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 21:20:59 +0800, Colin Guthrie
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+&gt;<i> Hmm, OK, but the question is, where did it go? This should have been in
+</I>&gt;<i> the system-auth.rpmnew file... perhaps you purged it before without
+</I>&gt;<i> properly resolving it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>I discovered that I foolishly modified system-auth.rpmnew, rather than
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Kira at 13/10/11 17:29 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> &#22312; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 21:20:59 +0800, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hmm, OK, but the question is, where did it go? This should have been in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the system-auth.rpmnew file... perhaps you purged it before without
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> properly resolving it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i> I discovered that I foolishly modified system-auth.rpmnew, rather than
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> system-auth in the first mail.....
+</I>
+Ahh :) Cool, that explains it.
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Philippe DIDIER at 10/10/11 19:04 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> @ shlomif
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I saw vlc.1.1.11-0.1-mga1 added in mageia1/core/backports_testing
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's maybe an error as we can find the same version in
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia1/core/updates ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I looked into Revision 153535 and Revision 153536
+</I>&gt;<i> perhaps a typo line 322 Builrequires instead of BuildRequires
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe an explanation for missing devel dependencies and build failure
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hope it will help
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Just for reference (I know you know!) 1.1.12 is now in backports_testing
+for mga1
+
+Col
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+--
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+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Philippe DIDIER at 10/10/11 19:04 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @ shlomif
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I saw vlc.1.1.11-0.1-mga1 added in mageia1/core/backports_testing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's maybe an error as we can find the same version in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mageia1/core/updates &#160;...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I looked into Revision 153535 and Revision 153536
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> perhaps a typo line 322 Builrequires instead of BuildRequires
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe an explanation for missing devel dependencies and build failure
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hope it will help
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just for reference (I know you know!) 1.1.12 is now in backports_testing
+</I>&gt;<i> for mga1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+should be in update_testing as this is related to a CVE :/
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and D.Morgan at 13/10/11 17:41 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> should be in update_testing as this is related to a CVE :/
+</I>
+Yeah that's what I meant... more info here:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2267">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2267</A>
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+Open Source:
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+<PRE>Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and D.Morgan at 13/10/11 17:41 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should be in update_testing as this is related to a CVE :/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah that's what I meant... more info here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2267">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2267</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+And maybe in tainted/update_testing too :)
+
+... a parte
+
+You probably will think I'm what we call in french &quot;la mouche du coche&quot;
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+(a fly that is teasing horses pulling a heavy coach and which thinks
+they wouldn't have been able to do this job without its help...)
+
+But I can't keep my mouth closed when I think something looks wrong
+Better say something stupid than nothing if it would be useful to talk...
+I don't have any shame ! I really wish Mageia as perfect as it may be
+
+But if you feel annoyied by my posts, don't hesitate to tell me !!!
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 12 octobre 2011 20:45:50 Balcaen John a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 12 octobre 2011 19:23:13 Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Name : akonadi-google Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Version : 0.2 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Release : 0.git.20110717.2.mga2 Build Date: Wed Oct 12
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 18:29:18 2011 Install Date: (not installed) Build Host:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ecosse Group : Graphical desktop/KDE Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Size : 271339 License: GPLv3+
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; URL : <A HREF="http://progdan.cz/category/akonadi-google/">http://progdan.cz/category/akonadi-google/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Summary : Akonadi ressource for accessing Goolge Services
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; An Akonadi Resource for accessing Google services, like Google Calendar
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and Google Contacts.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; dlucio &lt;dlucio&gt; 0.2-0.git.20110717.2.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 154131
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Rebuild to see if we void core dumps
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + mikala &lt;mikala&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - imported package akonadi-google
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It won't fix it.
+</I>&gt;<i> The problem is more related to kdepimlibs (&amp; if i'm not wrong i did open a
+</I>&gt;<i> bug report about it).
+</I>Ok in fact it's not due to kdepimlibs (like i thought) but to shared-mime-info
+update
+
+cf <A HREF="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=283615">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=283615</A>
+
+There's a workaround there (by editing a desktop file :p ) if you want to give
+a try, but we probably need to wait for a propre fix from upstream.
+
+Regards,
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+--
+Balcaen John
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+ <B>You-Cheng Hsieh</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Add%20i18n-zh_tw%40ml.mageia.org%20to%20bug%20CC%20list%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCAOkW%3Dmw-Bx5GN8%2BSpth6o-Arc2_dcSt0pn%3DS5MSXCsu_NXFKxA%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+Is it possible to add a mailing list to bug CC list?
+Currently many bugs related to Traditional Chinese issues are reported
+by person. But I think it would be more helpful if the bug changes can
+be CC to our mailing list so that more users can track and receive
+progress. If the bug reporter cannot test or unavailable to response,
+other users who subscribed the mailing list can help test it.
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+I tried add mail address to CC list but get a &quot;Match Failed&quot; error:
+
+Bugzilla was unable to make any match at all for one or more of the
+names and/or email addresses you entered on the previous page.
+
+Please go back and try other names or email addresses.
+
+
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+
+CC: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org</A> did not match anything
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+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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+I would like to know if it can be done this way or require more work
+to be done.
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+Thanks,
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+You-Cheng Hsieh
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it possible to add a mailing list to bug CC list?
+</I>&gt;<i> Currently many bugs related to Traditional Chinese issues are reported
+</I>&gt;<i> by person. But I think it would be more helpful if the bug changes can
+</I>&gt;<i> be CC to our mailing list so that more users can track and receive
+</I>&gt;<i> progress. If the bug reporter cannot test or unavailable to response,
+</I>&gt;<i> other users who subscribed the mailing list can help test it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I tried add mail address to CC list but get a &quot;Match Failed&quot; error:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bugzilla was unable to make any match at all for one or more of the
+</I>&gt;<i> names and/or email addresses you entered on the previous page.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please go back and try other names or email addresses.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> CC: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org</A> did not match anything
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would like to know if it can be done this way or require more work
+</I>&gt;<i> to be done.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>Maybe you could use a new identity &quot;taiwanese mailinglist&quot; with e-mail
+address
+
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org</A>
+
+to report this as a bug in Bugzilla. I'm curious to see if you'll be
+able to cc to that address once the address is known in Bugzilla
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+<PRE>You-Cheng Hsieh a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it possible to add a mailing list to bug CC list?
+</I>&gt;<i> Currently many bugs related to Traditional Chinese issues are reported
+</I>&gt;<i> by person. But I think it would be more helpful if the bug changes can
+</I>&gt;<i> be CC to our mailing list so that more users can track and receive
+</I>&gt;<i> progress. If the bug reporter cannot test or unavailable to response,
+</I>&gt;<i> other users who subscribed the mailing list can help test it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I tried add mail address to CC list but get a &quot;Match Failed&quot; error:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bugzilla was unable to make any match at all for one or more of the
+</I>&gt;<i> names and/or email addresses you entered on the previous page.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please go back and try other names or email addresses.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> CC: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org</A> did not match anything
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would like to know if it can be done this way or require more work
+</I>&gt;<i> to be done.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Your problem was a bit of a challenge, so I found a solution.
+Of course, if sysadmin would make changes allowing you to forward to the
+list, that would be easier for you, but more complicated for sysadmin.
+
+Gmail (like many other email providers) allows forwarding email received.
+But you can only forward to adresses that can respond, which excludes
+forwarding to mailing lists.
+Gmail allows you to forward to more than one adresse, and even to filter
+which emails you wish to forward.
+
+So I suggest:
+1) Create a new gmail account that is easy to type, something like
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mga-zh_tw at gmail.com</A>
+You could use an existing account, but a dedicated account would be
+easier to manage.
+
+2) On your new gmail account, under email parameters -&gt; Transfers and
+POP/IMAP, in the section Transfers, add all the email adresses of those
+in your group.
+Gmail lets you can add filters, so you could filter all email not coming
+from Mageia to not forward spam.
+But you might instead want to use this new adresse to communicate
+between members of your group.
+
+3) You use this new account for CC's to your group.
+
+The down side is that each member you forward to has to accept before
+emails will be sent to them, and for each new member, you have to
+remember to add their email adresse.
+But at least it will work, and you can implement it right away.
+
+
+Regards :-)
+
+--
+Andr
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+</I>&gt;<i> CC: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org</A> did not match anything
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would like to know if it can be done this way or require more work
+</I>&gt;<i> to be done.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">4E97D608.2040600 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>You-Cheng Hsieh a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>Is it possible to add a mailing list to bug CC list?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Your problem was a bit of a challenge, so I found a solution.
+</I>&gt;<i>Of course, if sysadmin would make changes allowing you to forward to
+</I>&gt;<i>the list, that would be easier for you, but more complicated for
+</I>&gt;<i>sysadmin.
+</I>
+&lt;...&gt;
+
+Hi Andre,
+
+While I admire your creativity in coming up with this work around, I do
+feel it is a hack that's not really needed. For example, mageia-i18n or
+sysadmin-bugs are addresses that can be assigned bugs even when they are
+not registered users.
+
+At the moment such changes require action by the sysadm team. Perhaps it
+would be possible to allow the bugsquad team leader to carry out this
+action?
+
+Regards,
+
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+philippe makowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">makowski.mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> how and when will we make the move ?
+</I>&gt;<i> should we need to provide native systemd service files for Mageia 2 ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i> some doc from Fedora for packaging :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines:Systemd">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines:Systemd</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:ScriptletSnippets#Systemd">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:ScriptletSnippets#Systemd</A>
+</I>
+I've had a very bad experience upgrading to systemd-sysvinit on my desktop Core
+i3 machine. The boot took forever, and I ended up giving up, booting from a
+LiveCD, and restoring the &quot;sysvinit&quot; package, which made booting the system OK
+again. Here are the relevant logs from #systemd on Freenode (I am rindolf):
+
+Oct 13 09:30:40 &lt;rindolf&gt; Hi all.
+Oct 13 09:31:02 &lt;rindolf&gt; Today systemd-sysvinit replaced sysvinit (on my Mageia 2 system after a urpmi upgrade), but after I rebooted my system won't boot. It got hang at the udev step (the first one). I recall that when I rebooted, it warned me that it couldn't find libsystemd-daemons.so.1 or something like that. How can I restore booting?
+Oct 13 09:45:28 &lt;rindolf&gt; Anyone?
+Oct 13 09:46:37 &lt;MK_FG&gt; rindolf, I suspect it just hangs not being able to detect your hard drives for some reason
+Oct 13 09:46:49 &lt;MK_FG&gt; rindolf, In that case, it should time out after a while
+Oct 13 09:47:07 &lt;MK_FG&gt; rindolf, But in any case, it should help to enable debug output
+Oct 13 09:47:10 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: well, now after I hit Ctrl+C it continues, but hangs again.
+Oct 13 09:47:17 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: how can I enable debug output?
+Oct 13 09:47:21 &lt;MK_FG&gt; <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Systemd_problems">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Systemd_problems</A>
+Oct 13 09:48:01 &lt;MK_FG&gt; But it's all in the mans, too, if you'll end up w/o a browser
+Oct 13 09:49:14 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: I have a second computer.
+Oct 13 10:01:29 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: now it gets stuck on loading shorewall.
+Oct 13 10:01:36 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: it got stuck several times before
+Oct 13 10:01:51 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: and no matter how many times I press Ctrl+C it won't stop that.
+Oct 13 10:01:59 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: booting is slower than ever this way.
+Oct 13 10:02:07 &lt;MK_FG&gt; It should timeout eventually
+Oct 13 10:02:07 &lt;rindolf&gt; I thought systemd was supposed to make booting faster.
+Oct 13 10:02:17 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: &quot;eventually&quot; is the key word here.
+Oct 13 10:02:17 &lt;sztanpet&gt; works for me
+Oct 13 10:02:38 &lt;MK_FG&gt; Yeah, a minute or two by default
+Oct 13 10:02:38 &lt;rindolf&gt; sztanpet: what does work for you?
+Oct 13 10:02:49 &lt;sztanpet&gt; systemd operating as expected
+Oct 13 10:03:00 &lt;sztanpet&gt; but then again, i dont have your distro
+Oct 13 10:03:20 &lt;MK_FG&gt; But it's abnormal behavior, something should be fixed, not timeout and be killed on every boot
+Oct 13 10:05:48 &lt;rindolf&gt; sztanpet: someone once told me that &quot;works for me&quot; is the oldest excuse in the programmer's book.
+Oct 13 10:05:52 &lt;rindolf&gt; And it's not very helpful.
+Oct 13 10:06:15 &lt;sztanpet&gt; indeed
+Oct 13 10:06:26 &lt;MK_FG&gt; Neither is unconstructive criticism like &quot;nothing works!&quot;
+Oct 13 10:06:38 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: well, I told you what doesn't work for me.
+Oct 13 10:06:55 &lt;MK_FG&gt; I think you know what I mean
+Oct 13 10:07:15 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: no, I don't.
+Oct 13 10:07:25 &lt;MK_FG&gt; Well, nevermind then ;)
+Oct 13 10:09:50 &lt;bochecha&gt; rindolf, the default timeout can be 5 minutes (for services with legacy init scripts), did you wait that long?
+Oct 13 10:16:55 &lt;rindolf&gt; bochecha: some of the times.
+Oct 13 10:17:20 &lt;rindolf&gt; bochecha: I now tried a &#8220;failsafe&#8221; boot and systemd gets stuck on an infinite &quot;Trying to load D-Bus&quot; loop.
+Oct 13 10:18:29 &lt;bochecha&gt; possibly dbus doesn't start, and systemd tries again, and again and... ?
+
+Regards,
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+ Shlomi Fish
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+ <B>Marja van Waes</B>
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 02:26:16AM -0400, andre999 wrote in
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">4E97D608.2040600 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You-Cheng Hsieh a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is it possible to add a mailing list to bug CC list?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> At the moment such changes require action by the sysadm team. Perhaps
+</I>&gt;<i> it would be possible to allow the bugsquad team leader to carry out
+</I>&gt;<i> this action?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Remco
+</I>
+Hi Remco,
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+That wouldn't help, we have a Team council representative (he would
+undoubtedly be willing to do this), but we don't have team leader. Maybe
+you'd like to reconsider becoming team leader of the Bug Squad?
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+ *
+ Team leaders: ?
+ *
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+ representative: Manuel Hiebel (leuhmanu)
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+<PRE>Op 14-10-11 08:47, Jos&#233; Jorge schreef:
+&gt;<i> ----- &quot;You-Cheng Hsieh&quot;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">yochenhsieh at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> CC: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org</A> did not match anything
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would like to know if it can be done this way or require more work
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to be done.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think you only need to create a bugzilla account with this email address....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I think Jos&#233; is right, my suggestion to file a bug report as a reporter
+with this e-mail address, is probably overdone ;)
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+<PRE>Le 14/10/2011 08:53, Shlomi Fish a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:00:58 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> philippe makowski&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">makowski.mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> how and when will we make the move ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should we need to provide native systemd service files for Mageia 2 ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> some doc from Fedora for packaging :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines:Systemd">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines:Systemd</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:ScriptletSnippets#Systemd">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:ScriptletSnippets#Systemd</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've had a very bad experience upgrading to systemd-sysvinit on my desktop Core
+</I>&gt;<i> i3 machine. The boot took forever, and I ended up giving up, booting from a
+</I>&gt;<i> LiveCD, and restoring the &quot;sysvinit&quot; package, which made booting the system OK
+</I>&gt;<i> again. Here are the relevant logs from #systemd on Freenode (I am rindolf):
+</I>But why did you the change this way ? Using 'init=/bin/systemd' on
+kernel command line is enough to switch to systemd, and allows you to
+fallback to sysinit if needed.
+--
+BOFH excuse #100:
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+</I>&gt;<i> It seems that check.mageia.org haven't updated its own repository of
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 14/10/11 08:51 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 14/10/2011 08:53, Shlomi Fish a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:00:58 +0200
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> philippe makowski&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">makowski.mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> how and when will we make the move ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> should we need to provide native systemd service files for Mageia 2 ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> some doc from Fedora for packaging :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines:Systemd">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines:Systemd</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:ScriptletSnippets#Systemd">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:ScriptletSnippets#Systemd</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've had a very bad experience upgrading to systemd-sysvinit on my
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> desktop Core
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i3 machine. The boot took forever, and I ended up giving up, booting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> LiveCD, and restoring the &quot;sysvinit&quot; package, which made booting the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> system OK
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> again. Here are the relevant logs from #systemd on Freenode (I am
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rindolf):
+</I>
+&gt;<i> But why did you the change this way ? Using 'init=/bin/systemd' on
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel command line is enough to switch to systemd, and allows you to
+</I>&gt;<i> fallback to sysinit if needed.
+</I>
+It's the default for the moment is it not - to try and encourage more
+testing? That said, for the case like this, it's a bit of a pain to
+recover when something goes horribly wrong!
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Shlomi Fish at 14/10/11 07:53 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:00:58 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> philippe makowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">makowski.mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> how and when will we make the move ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should we need to provide native systemd service files for Mageia 2 ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> some doc from Fedora for packaging :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines:Systemd">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines:Systemd</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:ScriptletSnippets#Systemd">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:ScriptletSnippets#Systemd</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've had a very bad experience upgrading to systemd-sysvinit on my desktop Core
+</I>&gt;<i> i3 machine. The boot took forever, and I ended up giving up, booting from a
+</I>&gt;<i> LiveCD, and restoring the &quot;sysvinit&quot; package, which made booting the system OK
+</I>&gt;<i> again. Here are the relevant logs from #systemd on Freenode (I am rindolf):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 09:30:40 &lt;rindolf&gt; Hi all.
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 09:31:02 &lt;rindolf&gt; Today systemd-sysvinit replaced sysvinit (on my Mageia 2 system after a urpmi upgrade), but after I rebooted my system won't boot. It got hang at the udev step (the first one). I recall that when I rebooted, it warned me that it couldn't find libsystemd-daemons.so.1 or something like that. How can I restore booting?
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 09:45:28 &lt;rindolf&gt; Anyone?
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 09:46:37 &lt;MK_FG&gt; rindolf, I suspect it just hangs not being able to detect your hard drives for some reason
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 09:46:49 &lt;MK_FG&gt; rindolf, In that case, it should time out after a while
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 09:47:07 &lt;MK_FG&gt; rindolf, But in any case, it should help to enable debug output
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 09:47:10 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: well, now after I hit Ctrl+C it continues, but hangs again.
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 09:47:17 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: how can I enable debug output?
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 09:47:21 &lt;MK_FG&gt; <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Systemd_problems">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Systemd_problems</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 09:48:01 &lt;MK_FG&gt; But it's all in the mans, too, if you'll end up w/o a browser
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 09:49:14 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: I have a second computer.
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 10:01:29 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: now it gets stuck on loading shorewall.
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 10:01:36 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: it got stuck several times before
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 10:01:51 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: and no matter how many times I press Ctrl+C it won't stop that.
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 10:01:59 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: booting is slower than ever this way.
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 10:02:07 &lt;MK_FG&gt; It should timeout eventually
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 10:02:07 &lt;rindolf&gt; I thought systemd was supposed to make booting faster.
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 10:02:17 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: &quot;eventually&quot; is the key word here.
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 10:02:17 &lt;sztanpet&gt; works for me
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 10:02:38 &lt;MK_FG&gt; Yeah, a minute or two by default
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 10:02:38 &lt;rindolf&gt; sztanpet: what does work for you?
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 10:02:49 &lt;sztanpet&gt; systemd operating as expected
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 10:03:00 &lt;sztanpet&gt; but then again, i dont have your distro
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 10:03:20 &lt;MK_FG&gt; But it's abnormal behavior, something should be fixed, not timeout and be killed on every boot
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 10:05:48 &lt;rindolf&gt; sztanpet: someone once told me that &quot;works for me&quot; is the oldest excuse in the programmer's book.
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 10:05:52 &lt;rindolf&gt; And it's not very helpful.
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 10:06:15 &lt;sztanpet&gt; indeed
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 10:06:26 &lt;MK_FG&gt; Neither is unconstructive criticism like &quot;nothing works!&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 10:06:38 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: well, I told you what doesn't work for me.
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 10:06:55 &lt;MK_FG&gt; I think you know what I mean
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 10:07:15 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: no, I don't.
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 10:07:25 &lt;MK_FG&gt; Well, nevermind then ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 10:09:50 &lt;bochecha&gt; rindolf, the default timeout can be 5 minutes (for services with legacy init scripts), did you wait that long?
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 10:16:55 &lt;rindolf&gt; bochecha: some of the times.
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 10:17:20 &lt;rindolf&gt; bochecha: I now tried a &#8220;failsafe&#8221; boot and systemd gets stuck on an infinite &quot;Trying to load D-Bus&quot; loop.
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 13 10:18:29 &lt;bochecha&gt; possibly dbus doesn't start, and systemd tries again, and again and... ?
+</I>
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+Well I'm afraid that as the guys on #systemd said, it's nigh on
+impossible to say what your problem actually is without more debugging etc.
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+For example if you manage to get the boot to work by waiting patiently
+enough then the output from systemd-analyze might point to the cause.
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+I suspect to be honest that it relates to some binfmt stuff or other
+modprobe setups that just ultimately stall things.
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+It's obviously not a problem that affects other people other than
+yourself so you have to ask yourself why your system is different, try
+with a clean install and then add back your config until you find the issue.
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+<PRE>On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 09:51:00 +0200
+Guillaume Rousse &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Le 14/10/2011 08:53, Shlomi Fish a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:00:58 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; philippe makowski&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">makowski.mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; how and when will we make the move ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; should we need to provide native systemd service files for Mageia 2 ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; some doc from Fedora for packaging :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines:Systemd">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines:Systemd</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:ScriptletSnippets#Systemd">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:ScriptletSnippets#Systemd</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I've had a very bad experience upgrading to systemd-sysvinit on my desktop Core
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i3 machine. The boot took forever, and I ended up giving up, booting from a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; LiveCD, and restoring the &quot;sysvinit&quot; package, which made booting the system OK
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; again. Here are the relevant logs from #systemd on Freenode (I am rindolf):
+</I>&gt;<i> But why did you the change this way ? Using 'init=/bin/systemd' on
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel command line is enough to switch to systemd, and allows you to
+</I>&gt;<i> fallback to sysinit if needed.
+</I>
+Because that's what urpmi --auto --auto-select wanted me to do.
+
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 14 octobre 2011 &#224; 08:47 +0200, Jos&#233; Jorge a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> ----- &quot;You-Cheng Hsieh&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">yochenhsieh at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; CC: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org</A> did not match anything
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I would like to know if it can be done this way or require more work
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to be done.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think you only need to create a bugzilla account with this email address....
+</I>
+And so anybody can request a password reset and have it send in clear to
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+&gt;<i> And so anybody can request a password reset and have it send in clear
+</I>&gt;<i> to
+</I>&gt;<i> the ml ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>This is another problem, where of course you must ensure your ML is not public.
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+&gt;<i> 2011/10/12 andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You're suggesting to make a companion package that works with QT ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, it's necessary (for example) to pack Double Commander 0.5.1.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://doublecmd.sourceforge.net/">http://doublecmd.sourceforge.net/</A>
+</I>
+According to
+<A HREF="http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/doublecmd/index.php?title=Development">http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/doublecmd/index.php?title=Development</A>
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+And I do not see how the toolkit used by a IDE should have a impact on
+the code created by someone using the same compiler. This doesn't make
+much sense.
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+perl 5.14.2 is on its way to the build system, i don't expect breakage.
+as always, some packages will need to be rebuilt, but not that much
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+On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 09:35:07 +0100
+Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Shlomi Fish at 14/10/11 07:53 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:00:58 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; philippe makowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">makowski.mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; how and when will we make the move ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; should we need to provide native systemd service files for Mageia 2 ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; some doc from Fedora for packaging :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines:Systemd">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines:Systemd</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:ScriptletSnippets#Systemd">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:ScriptletSnippets#Systemd</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I've had a very bad experience upgrading to systemd-sysvinit on my desktop Core
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i3 machine. The boot took forever, and I ended up giving up, booting from a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; LiveCD, and restoring the &quot;sysvinit&quot; package, which made booting the system OK
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; again. Here are the relevant logs from #systemd on Freenode (I am rindolf):
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 09:30:40 &lt;rindolf&gt; Hi all.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 09:31:02 &lt;rindolf&gt; Today systemd-sysvinit replaced sysvinit (on my Mageia 2 system after a urpmi upgrade), but after I rebooted my system won't boot. It got hang at the udev step (the first one). I recall that when I rebooted, it warned me that it couldn't find libsystemd-daemons.so.1 or something like that. How can I restore booting?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 09:45:28 &lt;rindolf&gt; Anyone?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 09:46:37 &lt;MK_FG&gt; rindolf, I suspect it just hangs not being able to detect your hard drives for some reason
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 09:46:49 &lt;MK_FG&gt; rindolf, In that case, it should time out after a while
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 09:47:07 &lt;MK_FG&gt; rindolf, But in any case, it should help to enable debug output
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 09:47:10 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: well, now after I hit Ctrl+C it continues, but hangs again.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 09:47:17 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: how can I enable debug output?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 09:47:21 &lt;MK_FG&gt; <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Systemd_problems">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Systemd_problems</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 09:48:01 &lt;MK_FG&gt; But it's all in the mans, too, if you'll end up w/o a browser
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 09:49:14 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: I have a second computer.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 10:01:29 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: now it gets stuck on loading shorewall.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 10:01:36 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: it got stuck several times before
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 10:01:51 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: and no matter how many times I press Ctrl+C it won't stop that.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 10:01:59 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: booting is slower than ever this way.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 10:02:07 &lt;MK_FG&gt; It should timeout eventually
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 10:02:07 &lt;rindolf&gt; I thought systemd was supposed to make booting faster.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 10:02:17 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: &quot;eventually&quot; is the key word here.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 10:02:17 &lt;sztanpet&gt; works for me
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 10:02:38 &lt;MK_FG&gt; Yeah, a minute or two by default
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 10:02:38 &lt;rindolf&gt; sztanpet: what does work for you?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 10:02:49 &lt;sztanpet&gt; systemd operating as expected
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 10:03:00 &lt;sztanpet&gt; but then again, i dont have your distro
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 10:03:20 &lt;MK_FG&gt; But it's abnormal behavior, something should be fixed, not timeout and be killed on every boot
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 10:05:48 &lt;rindolf&gt; sztanpet: someone once told me that &quot;works for me&quot; is the oldest excuse in the programmer's book.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 10:05:52 &lt;rindolf&gt; And it's not very helpful.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 10:06:15 &lt;sztanpet&gt; indeed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 10:06:26 &lt;MK_FG&gt; Neither is unconstructive criticism like &quot;nothing works!&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 10:06:38 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: well, I told you what doesn't work for me.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 10:06:55 &lt;MK_FG&gt; I think you know what I mean
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 10:07:15 &lt;rindolf&gt; MK_FG: no, I don't.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 10:07:25 &lt;MK_FG&gt; Well, nevermind then ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 10:09:50 &lt;bochecha&gt; rindolf, the default timeout can be 5 minutes (for services with legacy init scripts), did you wait that long?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 10:16:55 &lt;rindolf&gt; bochecha: some of the times.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 10:17:20 &lt;rindolf&gt; bochecha: I now tried a &#8220;failsafe&#8221; boot and systemd gets stuck on an infinite &quot;Trying to load D-Bus&quot; loop.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 13 10:18:29 &lt;bochecha&gt; possibly dbus doesn't start, and systemd tries again, and again and... ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well I'm afraid that as the guys on #systemd said, it's nigh on
+</I>&gt;<i> impossible to say what your problem actually is without more debugging etc.
+</I>
+Then it may be a limitation of systemd's architecture.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For example if you manage to get the boot to work by waiting patiently
+</I>&gt;<i> enough then the output from systemd-analyze might point to the cause.
+</I>
+OK. I'll try it now.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I suspect to be honest that it relates to some binfmt stuff or other
+</I>&gt;<i> modprobe setups that just ultimately stall things.
+</I>
+How can I investigate that and fix that?
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's obviously not a problem that affects other people other than
+</I>&gt;<i> yourself so you have to ask yourself why your system is different, try
+</I>&gt;<i> with a clean install and then add back your config until you find the issue.
+</I>
+A clean install of what? There's no way I can &#8220;cleanly&#8221; install Mageia Cauldron
+because it doesn't have an installation medium. And I'm not overwriting my
+current system. No way, Jose.
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
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+<PRE>Remco Rijnders a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 02:26:16AM -0400, andre999 wrote in
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">4E97D608.2040600 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You-Cheng Hsieh a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is it possible to add a mailing list to bug CC list?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Your problem was a bit of a challenge, so I found a solution.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Of course, if sysadmin would make changes allowing you to forward to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the list, that would be easier for you, but more complicated for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sysadmin.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;...&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Andre,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While I admire your creativity in coming up with this work around, I
+</I>&gt;<i> do feel it is a
+</I>
+That's half the fun of computer field :-)
+
+&gt;<i> hack that's not really needed. For example, mageia-i18n or
+</I>&gt;<i> sysadmin-bugs are addresses that can be assigned bugs even when they
+</I>&gt;<i> are not registered users.
+</I>
+There must be some sort of exceptions coded, since apparently the
+mailing lists reject messages not coming from mailing list subscibers.
+Presumably the same thing could be done for the CC field. No idea how
+much coding would be involved.
+
+&gt;<i> At the moment such changes require action by the sysadm team. Perhaps
+</I>&gt;<i> it would be possible to allow the bugsquad team leader to carry out
+</I>&gt;<i> this action?
+</I>
+I suspect that the exceptions are hard-coded (and not some value entered
+in a field).
+If so, it wouldn't be advisable for someone outside of admin to play
+with the code.
+Although from the user side, it certainly would be nice if the bug team
+leaders could handle such changes.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Remco
+</I>
+Regards,
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+&gt;<i> Hello Colin,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 09:35:07 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well I'm afraid that as the guys on #systemd said, it's nigh on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> impossible to say what your problem actually is without more debugging etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then it may be a limitation of systemd's architecture.
+</I>
+Since when is it a limitation of something when you have to do some
+debugging to find out what went wrong? Moreso when it seems to be an
+individual problem in your system?
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> It's obviously not a problem that affects other people other than
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> yourself so you have to ask yourself why your system is different, try
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with a clean install and then add back your config until you find the issue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A clean install of what? There's no way I can &#8220;cleanly&#8221; install Mageia Cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> because it doesn't have an installation medium. And I'm not overwriting my
+</I>&gt;<i> current system. No way, Jose.
+</I>
+You can use the boot.iso in distrib/cauldron/i586/install/images/ to
+boot and install Cauldron.
+Cauldron is a system under development, using it means being prepared
+to do new/clean installations now or then.
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+&gt;<i> 2011/10/12 Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Are there other packagers who would be interested in maintaining python
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages within a group ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would, when I am a packager.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm just starting mentorship, but I am interested in python packages,
+</I>&gt;<i> and a group would be a good means to gain experience.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>ok,
+so let say that I take them
+but feel free (as others too) to update, debug them when you want
+let say that I will be the &quot;default&quot; maintainer, but not the &quot;owner&quot;
+of these package
+by the way that's true for all package that I maintain, if somebody
+else than me jump and fix a bug for &quot;my&quot; package, it will not hurt me
+at all ;)
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it possible to add a mailing list to bug CC list?
+</I>&gt;<i> Currently many bugs related to Traditional Chinese issues are reported
+</I>&gt;<i> by person. But I think it would be more helpful if the bug changes can
+</I>&gt;<i> be CC to our mailing list so that more users can track and receive
+</I>&gt;<i> progress. If the bug reporter cannot test or unavailable to response,
+</I>&gt;<i> other users who subscribed the mailing list can help test it.
+</I>
+If there is bugs specific to one language frequently, we can create
+i18n-[language]<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">-bugs at ml.mageia.org</A> mailing lists for each language, and
+add them to bugzilla.
+
+But if there is only few bugs related to one language, adding a list for
+each language is maybe overkill, and using a single list for all
+translation bugs can probably be enough.
+
+How often is there bugs like this ?
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+of sharing work and
+coordinating efforts with others, while inviting others to contribute:
+<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO</A>
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+While it's certainly written from a vendor POV (and also rather crude
+for the moment), I'm cross-posting
+this one as it's of potential interest to others as well and the idea
+is for things to be as generic as
+possible anyhows.. :)
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+So I invite others with the interest to contribute to the discussion
+on the list and wiki, proposing
+ideas, gather a list of issues that needs to be addressed, and do some
+general brainstorming
+and uhm.. &quot;stuff&quot;. ;)
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+&gt;<i> perl 5.14.2 is on its way to the build system, i don't expect breakage.
+</I>&gt;<i> as always, some packages will need to be rebuilt, but not that much
+</I>&gt;<i> since it's a minor release.
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+perl 5.14.2 upgrade is finished (apart for bioperl).
+no breakage encountered afaict.
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+&gt;<i> On 10/13/2011 05:29 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 13/10/11 09:44 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 13/10/2011 10:08, philippe makowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> what do we do with %_post_service and %_preun_service ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Those macros will have to be enhanced to handle new behaviours, without
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> having to modify packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/share/rpm-helper/add-service already has some systemd support....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what's still missing?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The del-service helper has some support, but it gets mighty unhappy when
+</I>&gt;<i> you're not actually using systemd. :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> # urpme ipsec-tools
+</I>&gt;<i> removing ipsec-tools-0.7.3-4.mga1.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> process 8398: arguments to dbus_connection_send_with_reply_and_block()
+</I>&gt;<i> were incorrect, assertion &quot;connection != NULL&quot; failed in file
+</I>&gt;<i> dbus-connection.c line 3483.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is normally a bug in some application using the D-Bus library.
+</I>&gt;<i> D-Bus not built with -rdynamic so unable to print a backtrace
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/rpm-helper/del-service: line 32: 8398 Aborted (core dumped)
+</I>&gt;<i> /bin/systemctl daemon-reload
+</I>&gt;<i> process 8431: arguments to dbus_connection_send_with_reply_and_block()
+</I>&gt;<i> were incorrect, assertion &quot;connection != NULL&quot; failed in file
+</I>&gt;<i> dbus-connection.c line 3483.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is normally a bug in some application using the D-Bus library.
+</I>&gt;<i> D-Bus not built with -rdynamic so unable to print a backtrace
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/rpm-helper/del-service: line 32: 8431 Aborted (core dumped)
+</I>&gt;<i> /bin/systemctl daemon-reload
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes, I reported that here :-
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2865">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2865</A>
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+&gt;<i> jquelin &lt;jquelin&gt; 2:5.14.2-3.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 155117
+</I>&gt;<i> - perl 5.14.2 rebuild
+</I>&gt;<i> - rebuild
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+<PRE>On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen wrote:
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+&gt;<i> I've started to ramble on some of the features, issues, ideas etc. to
+</I>&gt;<i> work on and consider
+</I>&gt;<i> for our (Mandriva Linux) next development cycle, and in the interest
+</I>&gt;<i> of sharing work and
+</I>&gt;<i> coordinating efforts with others, while inviting others to contribute:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While it's certainly written from a vendor POV (and also rather crude
+</I>&gt;<i> for the moment), I'm cross-posting
+</I>&gt;<i> this one as it's of potential interest to others as well and the idea
+</I>&gt;<i> is for things to be as generic as
+</I>&gt;<i> possible anyhows.. :)
+</I>
+Just in case you don't know, Mageia is using rpm.org, not rpm5. So
+discussing rpm5 features is offtopic on mageia-dev. If you want to
+discuss rpm.org features, then the correct list is probably
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rpm-maint at lists.rpm.org</A>, not mageia-dev.
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+<PRE>&#22312; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 22:36:55 +0800, nicolas vigier
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+&gt;<i> Just in case you don't know, Mageia is using rpm.org, not rpm5. So
+</I>&gt;<i> discussing rpm5 features is offtopic on mageia-dev. If you want to
+</I>&gt;<i> discuss rpm.org features, then the correct list is probably
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rpm-maint at lists.rpm.org</A>, not mageia-dev.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>He knows about it and he has been here always persuading us to cooperate
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+with Mandriva.....
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've started to ramble on some of the features, issues, ideas etc. to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> work on and consider
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for our (Mandriva Linux) next development cycle, and in the interest
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of sharing work and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> coordinating efforts with others, while inviting others to contribute:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> While it's certainly written from a vendor POV (and also rather crude
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for the moment), I'm cross-posting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this one as it's of potential interest to others as well and the idea
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is for things to be as generic as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> possible anyhows.. :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just in case you don't know, Mageia is using rpm.org, not rpm5. So
+</I>&gt;<i> discussing rpm5 features is offtopic on mageia-dev. If you want to
+</I>&gt;<i> discuss rpm.org features, then the correct list is probably
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rpm-maint at lists.rpm.org</A>, not mageia-dev.
+</I>I don't really give a damn about which rpm version or not, I'm asking
+for R&amp;D purposes
+and with the idea of it being of interest and use to others.
+
+With much of work of mine that's already in use wrt. rpm on mageia (be
+it something ported
+from rpm5, written independent of either specific project or not++), I
+don't see why this has to
+be made into another boring discussion about rpm5 vs rpm.org.
+
+The thought was is to attempt some better collaboration, be it around
+just simply exchanging
+ideas or more specific about implementation details.
+
+It's still rpm and it's still of relevance, why make it into something else?
+
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+Regards,
+Per &#216;yvind
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+<PRE>On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> 2011/10/14 nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I've started to ramble on some of the features, issues, ideas etc. to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; work on and consider
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; for our (Mandriva Linux) next development cycle, and in the interest
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; of sharing work and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; coordinating efforts with others, while inviting others to contribute:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; While it's certainly written from a vendor POV (and also rather crude
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; for the moment), I'm cross-posting
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; this one as it's of potential interest to others as well and the idea
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; is for things to be as generic as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; possible anyhows.. :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Just in case you don't know, Mageia is using rpm.org, not rpm5. So
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; discussing rpm5 features is offtopic on mageia-dev. If you want to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; discuss rpm.org features, then the correct list is probably
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rpm-maint at lists.rpm.org</A>, not mageia-dev.
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't really give a damn about which rpm version or not, I'm asking
+</I>&gt;<i> for R&amp;D purposes
+</I>&gt;<i> and with the idea of it being of interest and use to others.
+</I>
+Then again, why don't you discuss this on <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rpm-maint at lists.rpm.org</A> ?
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 5 octobre 2011 17:37:00, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 5 octobre 2011 17:03:17, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Wed, 05 Oct 2011, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Le mercredi 5 octobre 2011 15:56:58, Lev Givon a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Has any decision been made on when the backports repository be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; open for submissions?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; L.G.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Yes and no. Decision is : as soon as sysadmins are ready. Practically,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; this means that a sysadmin has to find the time to do it, and the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; proposed technical solution can take time to implement. That's why I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; proposed 2 other solutions that would allow to open really soon but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; haven't really got an answer.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I would prefer that we do things correctly instead of using temporary
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fix, as it doesn't take much more time. I have started doing this but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; not finished yet.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And we also need to finish the script that would allow qa-team to move
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packages from backports_testing to backports repository, if we don't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; want to be overloaded with package move requests on bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Glad to hear that someone is working on it. My proposal was also a means to
+</I>&gt;<i> try to get a result rather than no result at all (a small task being easier
+</I>&gt;<i> to start at all than a big one), but if you're working on it I think I can
+</I>&gt;<i> withdraw it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+I know I'm being impatient, but is there an ETA for backports opening?
+
+Best regards
+
+Samuel
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+<PRE>2011/10/14 nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/10/14 nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I've started to ramble on some of the features, issues, ideas etc. to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; work on and consider
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; for our (Mandriva Linux) next development cycle, and in the interest
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; of sharing work and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; coordinating efforts with others, while inviting others to contribute:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; While it's certainly written from a vendor POV (and also rather crude
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; for the moment), I'm cross-posting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; this one as it's of potential interest to others as well and the idea
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; is for things to be as generic as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; possible anyhows.. :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Just in case you don't know, Mageia is using rpm.org, not rpm5. So
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; discussing rpm5 features is offtopic on mageia-dev. If you want to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; discuss rpm.org features, then the correct list is probably
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rpm-maint at lists.rpm.org</A>, not mageia-dev.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't really give a damn about which rpm version or not, I'm asking
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for R&amp;D purposes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and with the idea of it being of interest and use to others.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then again, why don't you discuss this on <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rpm-maint at lists.rpm.org</A> ?
+</I>Because I had more interest in the users of rpm on distros (initially) based on
+Mandriva Linux, keep in mind that that the 'rpm' package alone doesn't make
+up nearly all of it's distro integration (think of in terms of
+policies, additional
+helper scripts, policies, tools, dependency solver etc.)..
+
+Reason for posting to rpm5.org and not rpm.org is simply because I'm actively
+involved in that project and it's where I will do most of my
+development directly.
+
+For any new features and ideas (be it from this or in general), it's
+usually trivial
+to port it across different rpm versions, regardless of originally
+being implemented
+in rpm 4.9/5.3/4.4/3.14159/x.y.z, and I'd be happy to assist with it
+in one direction
+or the other. :)
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+I do believe you guys have an interest in R&amp;D, with ideas and features requests
+as well? :)
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+Per &#216;yvind
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+<PRE>Am 14.10.2011 16:19, schrieb Per &#216;yvind Karlsen:
+&gt;<i> I've started to ramble on some of the features, issues, ideas etc. to
+</I>&gt;<i> work on and consider
+</I>&gt;<i> for our (Mandriva Linux) next development cycle, and in the interest
+</I>&gt;<i> of sharing work and
+</I>&gt;<i> coordinating efforts with others, while inviting others to contribute:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While it's certainly written from a vendor POV (and also rather crude
+</I>&gt;<i> for the moment), I'm cross-posting
+</I>&gt;<i> this one as it's of potential interest to others as well and the idea
+</I>&gt;<i> is for things to be as generic as
+</I>&gt;<i> possible anyhows.. :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I invite others with the interest to contribute to the discussion
+</I>&gt;<i> on the list and wiki, proposing
+</I>&gt;<i> ideas, gather a list of issues that needs to be addressed, and do some
+</I>&gt;<i> general brainstorming
+</I>&gt;<i> and uhm.. &quot;stuff&quot;. ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Per &#216;yvind
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I'm curious, following whole RPM5 &quot;discussions&quot; over the last months/year
+on Cooker and also from my humble and polite POV some rather disappointing
+threads/answers about RPM5. Also i somehow feel sorry for jbj as he only
+offered his help for free and what he had to take from some people :(
+
+What would be maybe interesting to many people actually interested in RPM5,
+is what does it actually bring to the table for the end users? So far ACAICT
+from what i have observed it adds supports for ACID
+&lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACID">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACID</A>&gt;. On the other side
+it seems quite a bit slower in some cases, means much work for you as
+one of the implementers and a whole lot of work for maintainers just
+to keep the packages working as they did before. Yeah, there are some
+added benefits like notice/removal od some dependency loops but
+this is not something which is useful for the end user directly IMHO.
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 5 octobre 2011 17:37:00, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le mercredi 5 octobre 2011 17:03:17, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 05 Oct 2011, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le mercredi 5 octobre 2011 15:56:58, Lev Givon a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Has any decision been made on when the backports repository be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> open for submissions?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> L.G.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes and no. Decision is : as soon as sysadmins are ready. Practically,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this means that a sysadmin has to find the time to do it, and the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> proposed technical solution can take time to implement. That's why I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> proposed 2 other solutions that would allow to open really soon but
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> haven't really got an answer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would prefer that we do things correctly instead of using temporary
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fix, as it doesn't take much more time. I have started doing this but
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> not finished yet.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And we also need to finish the script that would allow qa-team to move
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packages from backports_testing to backports repository, if we don't
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> want to be overloaded with package move requests on bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Glad to hear that someone is working on it. My proposal was also a means to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> try to get a result rather than no result at all (a small task being easier
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to start at all than a big one), but if you're working on it I think I can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> withdraw it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I know I'm being impatient, but is there an ETA for backports opening?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I> From a BOFH point of view reply should be: After receiving your mail, +1 week
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+<PRE>2011/10/14 Florian Hubold &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Am 14.10.2011 16:19, schrieb Per &#216;yvind Karlsen:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've started to ramble on some of the features, issues, ideas etc. to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> work on and consider
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for our (Mandriva Linux) next development cycle, and in the interest
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of sharing work and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> coordinating efforts with others, while inviting others to contribute:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> While it's certainly written from a vendor POV (and also rather crude
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for the moment), I'm cross-posting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this one as it's of potential interest to others as well and the idea
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is for things to be as generic as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> possible anyhows.. :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So I invite others with the interest to contribute to the discussion
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on the list and wiki, proposing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ideas, gather a list of issues that needs to be addressed, and do some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> general brainstorming
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and uhm.. &quot;stuff&quot;. ;)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Per &#216;yvind
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm curious, following whole RPM5 &quot;discussions&quot; over the last months/year
+</I>&gt;<i> on Cooker and also from my humble and polite POV &#160;some rather disappointing
+</I>&gt;<i> threads/answers about RPM5. Also i somehow feel sorry for jbj as he only
+</I>&gt;<i> offered his help for free and what he had to take from some people :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What would be maybe interesting to many people actually interested in RPM5,
+</I>&gt;<i> is what does it actually bring to the table for the end users? So far ACAICT
+</I>&gt;<i> from what i have observed it adds supports for ACID
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACID">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACID</A>&gt;. On the other side
+</I>&gt;<i> it seems quite a bit slower in some cases, means much work for you as
+</I>&gt;<i> one of the implementers and a whole lot of work for maintainers just
+</I>&gt;<i> to keep the packages working as they did before. Yeah, there are some
+</I>&gt;<i> added benefits like notice/removal od some dependency loops but
+</I>&gt;<i> this is not something which is useful for the end user directly IMHO.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So actually my main question is: What main advantages does RPM5
+</I>&gt;<i> bring and for what costs?
+</I>Ihk, my intentions was minsinterpreted in the wrong way, with both good and
+negative response.. :p
+
+I'm not advocating RPM5 here at all and need to stress again that I'm trying to
+collect ideas, issues people feel like should be addressed, or
+anything else people
+would throw in a potential TODO list for rpm in general (ignoring the
+whole fork politics
+issue) in the world of distros (initially) based on Mandriva (they're
+still more similar to
+each other than to any other distros).
+
+I've answered various questions regarding rpm5 in the past, while
+always pointing
+out that I'm not really advocating it, but merely answering peoples'
+questions, yet
+always been labelled as the-bad-guy-who-tries-to-force-rpm5-on-mageia, so for
+obvious reasons I won't go down that road again.. ;)
+
+There's been several responses answering this question in various
+aspects on cooker
+list in the past though, maybe I should collect some of them and write
+up an article on
+my blog or something about why the choice of it in rpm5 later or
+something to give some
+better overview of the situation and work put into it. (I still feel
+like pointing out that
+ACID didn't have that much to do with the adoption of it in Mandriva though)
+But it's still off-topic for this thread (and seemingly for this list
+as well;)..
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+Regards,
+Per &#216;yvind
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+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I know I'm being impatient, but is there an ETA for backports opening?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> From a BOFH point of view reply should be: After receiving your mail, +1
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+1 week would be good, the &quot;at least&quot; part is more annoying :)
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 14 octobre 2011 16:19:18, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I've started to ramble on some of the features, issues, ideas etc. to
+</I>&gt;<i> work on and consider
+</I>&gt;<i> for our (Mandriva Linux) next development cycle, and in the interest
+</I>&gt;<i> of sharing work and
+</I>&gt;<i> coordinating efforts with others, while inviting others to contribute:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While it's certainly written from a vendor POV (and also rather crude
+</I>&gt;<i> for the moment), I'm cross-posting
+</I>&gt;<i> this one as it's of potential interest to others as well and the idea
+</I>&gt;<i> is for things to be as generic as
+</I>&gt;<i> possible anyhows.. :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I invite others with the interest to contribute to the discussion
+</I>&gt;<i> on the list and wiki, proposing
+</I>&gt;<i> ideas, gather a list of issues that needs to be addressed, and do some
+</I>&gt;<i> general brainstorming
+</I>&gt;<i> and uhm.. &quot;stuff&quot;. ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+I don't know RPM internals well, the only thing that comes to my mind is
+improved packagekit support for Mandriva / Mageia.
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 14 octobre 2011 19:30:01, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 14 octobre 2011 16:19:18, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I've started to ramble on some of the features, issues, ideas etc. to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; work on and consider
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for our (Mandriva Linux) next development cycle, and in the interest
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of sharing work and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; coordinating efforts with others, while inviting others to contribute:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; While it's certainly written from a vendor POV (and also rather crude
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for the moment), I'm cross-posting
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this one as it's of potential interest to others as well and the idea
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is for things to be as generic as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; possible anyhows.. :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So I invite others with the interest to contribute to the discussion
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; on the list and wiki, proposing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ideas, gather a list of issues that needs to be addressed, and do some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; general brainstorming
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and uhm.. &quot;stuff&quot;. ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know RPM internals well, the only thing that comes to my mind is
+</I>&gt;<i> improved packagekit support for Mandriva / Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Maybe also the package management related items in the Mageia 2 specs can be
+of interest:
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification#package_management_infrastructure">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification#package_management_infrastructure</A>
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+<PRE>2011/10/14 Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 14 octobre 2011 16:19:18, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've started to ramble on some of the features, issues, ideas etc. to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> work on and consider
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of sharing work and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> coordinating efforts with others, while inviting others to contribute:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> While it's certainly written from a vendor POV (and also rather crude
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for the moment), I'm cross-posting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this one as it's of potential interest to others as well and the idea
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is for things to be as generic as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> possible anyhows.. :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So I invite others with the interest to contribute to the discussion
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on the list and wiki, proposing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ideas, gather a list of issues that needs to be addressed, and do some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> general brainstorming
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and uhm.. &quot;stuff&quot;. ;)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know RPM internals well, the only thing that comes to my mind is
+</I>&gt;<i> improved packagekit support for Mandriva / Mageia.
+</I>I've improved the packagekit support some already, you'll find my branch on
+gitorious.org (I'll try remember getting around to pushing it to
+master branch sometime
+next week). I *think* it shouldn't break any compatibility with older
+urpmi versions,
+if it does, lemme know and I'll be sure to fix.
+
+I'm not sure if I'm planning on developing it further though, as
+suggested on my TODO list
+I'd rather write a new one from scratch using rpmlib directly for most
+purposes where it'll
+be able to do the job, with some hooks for smart and/or urpmi where required.
+This is similar to how the 'zif' packagekit backend works, which
+exists for yum, and I'll be
+looking a lot more closer at it for inspiration and possibly code..
+
+IMO using such a backend (when/if done) would be a better alternative
+to 'mdvsys' used by
+MPM in Mandriva, and would be a whole lot easier to maintain while be
+of greater use to
+others as well..
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+Regards,
+Per &#216;yvind
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+&gt;<i> And I do not see how the toolkit used by a IDE should have a impact on
+</I>&gt;<i> the code created by someone using the same compiler. This doesn't make
+</I>&gt;<i> much sense.
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+The IDE compiled with a widgetset can generate programs for the other, provided the
+LCL (lazarus component library) has been built for both.
+The LCL will be built with the same widgetset used for the IDE (be it gtk or qt),
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+<PRE>2011/10/14 Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 14 octobre 2011 19:30:01, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 14 octobre 2011 16:19:18, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I've started to ramble on some of the features, issues, ideas etc. to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; work on and consider
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; for our (Mandriva Linux) next development cycle, and in the interest
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; of sharing work and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; coordinating efforts with others, while inviting others to contribute:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; While it's certainly written from a vendor POV (and also rather crude
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; for the moment), I'm cross-posting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; this one as it's of potential interest to others as well and the idea
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; is for things to be as generic as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; possible anyhows.. :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; So I invite others with the interest to contribute to the discussion
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; on the list and wiki, proposing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; ideas, gather a list of issues that needs to be addressed, and do some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; general brainstorming
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; and uhm.. &quot;stuff&quot;. ;)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know RPM internals well, the only thing that comes to my mind is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> improved packagekit support for Mandriva / Mageia.
+</I>Don't necessarily need to know RPM internals for proposing features,
+or issues you'd
+like to see be solved. :)
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe also the package management related items in the Mageia 2 specs can be
+</I>&gt;<i> of interest:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification#package_management_infrastructure">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification#package_management_infrastructure</A>
+</I>Ah, yes, most certainly. :)
+
+I can leave some comments on your wiki, while adding what I personally
+find useful and interesting to my
+wiki page where I'll keep track of it's current progress (at my end at least;).
+
+Thx for the pointer btw., this was kinda more the response I was hoping for! :o)
+
+--
+Regards,
+Per &#216;yvind
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 14 octobre 2011 20:33:29, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2011/10/14 Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le vendredi 14 octobre 2011 19:30:01, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Le vendredi 14 octobre 2011 16:19:18, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; I've started to ramble on some of the features, issues, ideas etc. to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; work on and consider
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; for our (Mandriva Linux) next development cycle, and in the interest
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; of sharing work and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; coordinating efforts with others, while inviting others to contribute:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; While it's certainly written from a vendor POV (and also rather crude
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; for the moment), I'm cross-posting
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; this one as it's of potential interest to others as well and the idea
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; is for things to be as generic as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; possible anyhows.. :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; So I invite others with the interest to contribute to the discussion
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; on the list and wiki, proposing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; ideas, gather a list of issues that needs to be addressed, and do some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; general brainstorming
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; and uhm.. &quot;stuff&quot;. ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I don't know RPM internals well, the only thing that comes to my mind is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; improved packagekit support for Mandriva / Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't necessarily need to know RPM internals for proposing features,
+</I>&gt;<i> or issues you'd
+</I>&gt;<i> like to see be solved. :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe also the package management related items in the Mageia 2 specs can
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; be of interest:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification#package_m">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification#package_m</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; anagement_infrastructure
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ah, yes, most certainly. :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can leave some comments on your wiki, while adding what I personally
+</I>&gt;<i> find useful and interesting to my
+</I>&gt;<i> wiki page where I'll keep track of it's current progress (at my end at
+</I>&gt;<i> least;).
+</I>
+Please note that this wiki page is readonly (don't trust the wiki if it lets
+you edit it). The place for discussion is bugzilla (each item should have an
+entry in bugzilla, even if it's not the case currently).
+
+Best regards
+
+Samuel
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+</I>&gt;<i> I know I'm being impatient, but is there an ETA for backports opening?
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+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 14 octobre 2011 20:33:29, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/10/14 Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Le vendredi 14 octobre 2011 19:30:01, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Le vendredi 14 octobre 2011 16:19:18, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; I've started to ramble on some of the features, issues, ideas etc. to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; work on and consider
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; for our (Mandriva Linux) next development cycle, and in the interest
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; of sharing work and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; coordinating efforts with others, while inviting others to contribute:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; While it's certainly written from a vendor POV (and also rather crude
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; for the moment), I'm cross-posting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; this one as it's of potential interest to others as well and the idea
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; is for things to be as generic as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; possible anyhows.. :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; So I invite others with the interest to contribute to the discussion
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; on the list and wiki, proposing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; ideas, gather a list of issues that needs to be addressed, and do some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; general brainstorming
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; and uhm.. &quot;stuff&quot;. ;)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I don't know RPM internals well, the only thing that comes to my mind is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; improved packagekit support for Mandriva / Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Don't necessarily need to know RPM internals for proposing features,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or issues you'd
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> like to see be solved. :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe also the package management related items in the Mageia 2 specs can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; be of interest:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification#package_m">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification#package_m</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; anagement_infrastructure
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ah, yes, most certainly. :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can leave some comments on your wiki, while adding what I personally
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> find useful and interesting to my
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wiki page where I'll keep track of it's current progress (at my end at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> least;).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please note that this wiki page is readonly (don't trust the wiki if it lets
+</I>&gt;<i> you edit it). The place for discussion is bugzilla (each item should have an
+</I>&gt;<i> entry in bugzilla, even if it's not the case currently).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Improving packagekit would be great, not having a qt based package
+manager is annoying.
+
+The only other thing that I would like to see, although i think it is
+more or a urpm issue than rpm is adding parallel downloads, so that
+when packages are being installed, it keeps on downloading the next
+set to be installed.
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+<PRE>Le samedi 8 octobre 2011 22:55:49, vous avez &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;
+</I>wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I ran Claire's depcheck script (in its latest version) against all
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packages in Core Updates. It ran almost all night, and here are the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; results:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i beg to disagree with all this because you act like if ppl were
+</I>&gt;<i> installing from scratch the rpms from updates.
+</I>
+That's not true: we're doing as if the people only have basesystem-minimal + X
++ rpmdrake + the package being updated and all its dependencies, recursively.
+Except in case of a bug in our script, the listed packages are not present in
+such a system before the update, and are required from Release media for the
+update.
+
+If we were doing as if people were installing from scratch, the list would be
+the output of urpmq --requires-recursive, just test and check that there's a
+really huge difference :)
+
+
+&gt;<i> ( like :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> *** kdebase4-workspace-devel ***
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Running checks for &quot;kdebase4-workspace-devel&quot; using media
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Core Release&quot; and &quot;Core Updates&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia release 1 (Official) for i586
+</I>&gt;<i> Latest version found in &quot;Core Release&quot; is kdebase4-workspace-
+</I>&gt;<i> devel-4.6.3-7.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> Latest version found in &quot;Core Updates&quot; is kdebase4-workspace-
+</I>&gt;<i> devel-4.6.5-1.3.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> The following packages will require linking:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> canberra-common-0.27-2.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libbluez3-4.92-1.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libcanberra0-0.27-2.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libcln6-1.3.1-2.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libdmtx0-0.7.2-1.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libgpsd19-2.95-4.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> liblm_sensors4-3.2.0-1.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libpolkit-qt-agent-1_1-0.99.0-1.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libqalculate5-0.9.7-7.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libqalculate-data-0.9.7-7.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libqimageblitz4-0.0.6-3.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libsmbclient0-3.5.8-1.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libssh4-0.4.7-1.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libtalloc2-2.0.5-2.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> libwbclient0-3.5.8-1.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia-kde-translation-1-2.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> polkit-kde-agent-1-0.99.0-2.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> sound-theme-freedesktop-0.7-5.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> xmessage-1.0.3-2.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia-kde-translation is for ex alrady required by kde in mageia and
+</I>&gt;<i> not only added in updates, so ALL ppl having kde install WILL have it
+</I>&gt;<i> installed so linking this is useless, and i think this can be valid
+</I>&gt;<i> for a lot of deps listed too.
+</I>
+Either there's a bug in our script, or kdebase4-workspace-devel in Core
+Release didn't require any of those packages, directly or via its
+dependencies.
+
+Now, we probably can find lots of cases where there's a &quot;high&quot; chance that some
+of the listed packages are already present on the user system, and those can
+be discussed. But the QA team already put hours and hours of work trying to
+workaround bug #2317 so I hope it's not a big deal if we link a few packages
+more than what is really needed for most users. Trying to be more precise (and
+we already are quite precise) would just make us go insane (and next step we'd
+all stop validating packages to go learn perl and rpmdrake internals in order
+to change MageiaUpdate's behaviour).
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For vuze:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> apache-commons-cli-1.2-5.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> liblog4j-java-1.2.16-13.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> log4j-1.2.16-13.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i> xml-commons-apis-1.4.01-5.mga1 (Core Release)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i think ( i can be wrong ) that all those packages were already
+</I>&gt;<i> required by vuze )
+</I>&gt;<i> because then, why not add java6 too :)
+</I>
+They weren't required according to urpmq --requires-recursive, but there's a
+limitation in urpmq --requires-recursive when there are alternatives : if
+package A requires B or C, then urpmq won't list the dependencies of B and C
+recursively. Some call that a bug, I prefer to call that a &quot;how the hell could
+we do differently?&quot; feature :)
+
+Best regards
+
+Samuel
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+<PRE>2011/10/14 Donald Stewart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">watersnowrock at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 14 October 2011 11:36, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 14 octobre 2011 20:33:29, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/10/14 Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Le vendredi 14 octobre 2011 19:30:01, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Le vendredi 14 octobre 2011 16:19:18, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; I've started to ramble on some of the features, issues, ideas etc. to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; work on and consider
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; for our (Mandriva Linux) next development cycle, and in the interest
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; of sharing work and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; coordinating efforts with others, while inviting others to contribute:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; While it's certainly written from a vendor POV (and also rather crude
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; for the moment), I'm cross-posting
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; this one as it's of potential interest to others as well and the idea
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; is for things to be as generic as
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; possible anyhows.. :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; So I invite others with the interest to contribute to the discussion
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; on the list and wiki, proposing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; ideas, gather a list of issues that needs to be addressed, and do some
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; general brainstorming
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; and uhm.. &quot;stuff&quot;. ;)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I don't know RPM internals well, the only thing that comes to my mind is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; improved packagekit support for Mandriva / Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Don't necessarily need to know RPM internals for proposing features,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> or issues you'd
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> like to see be solved. :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe also the package management related items in the Mageia 2 specs can
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; be of interest:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification#package_m">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification#package_m</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; anagement_infrastructure
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Ah, yes, most certainly. :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I can leave some comments on your wiki, while adding what I personally
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> find useful and interesting to my
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wiki page where I'll keep track of it's current progress (at my end at
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> least;).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please note that this wiki page is readonly (don't trust the wiki if it lets
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you edit it). The place for discussion is bugzilla (each item should have an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> entry in bugzilla, even if it's not the case currently).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Improving packagekit would be great, not having a qt based package
+</I>&gt;<i> manager is annoying.
+</I>Yupp, you'll find several new features the urpmi backend was lacking
+implemented in my branch.
+Keep in mind though that packagekit is designed in a very generic way,
+with the features that packagekit lacks, it's not as simple as just going
+ahead and implement it in the backend, support also needs to be
+implemented in the frontend as well.
+And if you want some new feature making it into packagekit upstream,
+you need to have some consencus on it and take other distros into
+consideration as well, so there might potentially be features of rpmdrake
+that will be hard, if ever to get properly implemented in packagekit
+and maintained upstream..
+
+In the scenario for how I'd like to see packagekit adopted for Mandriva and MPM
+for instance, I'm kinda expecting having to go ahead and just
+implement and maintain
+some features in our own backend only that might not be part of
+packagekit's features
+or supported by other frontends for it etc. (at least not immediately).
+
+Well, that's just some thoughts I've had on the potential challenges
+of packagekit
+and to warn against having too high expectations towards packagekit
+frontends replacing
+existing ones.. :)
+
+Is there any particular features in the packagekit feature matrix
+you're missing btw.?
+('what-provides' has already been implemented in my branch &lt;/FYI&gt;:)
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The only other thing that I would like to see, although i think it is
+</I>&gt;<i> more or a urpm issue than rpm is adding parallel downloads, so that
+</I>&gt;<i> when packages are being installed, it keeps on downloading the next
+</I>&gt;<i> set to be installed.
+</I>Yupp, already on urpmi's suggested feature list since a while ago,
+although it would have
+to be implemented at a much higher level in urpmi perl code by adding
+separate threads
+downloading and package installation.. I'm a wuzz at perl and awaiting
+for a new perl
+maintainer to arrive to hand of such very perly details to implement,
+so it's on the list,
+but likely not to be done (in urpmi) by me. :)
+
+--
+Regards,
+Per &#216;yvind
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+<PRE>On 14 October 2011 16:13, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">peroyvind at mandriva.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2011/10/14 Donald Stewart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">watersnowrock at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 14 October 2011 11:36, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 14 octobre 2011 20:33:29, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/10/14 Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Le vendredi 14 octobre 2011 19:30:01, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Le vendredi 14 octobre 2011 16:19:18, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; I've started to ramble on some of the features, issues, ideas etc. to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; work on and consider
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; for our (Mandriva Linux) next development cycle, and in the interest
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; of sharing work and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; coordinating efforts with others, while inviting others to contribute:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/TODO</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; While it's certainly written from a vendor POV (and also rather crude
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; for the moment), I'm cross-posting
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; this one as it's of potential interest to others as well and the idea
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; is for things to be as generic as
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; possible anyhows.. :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; So I invite others with the interest to contribute to the discussion
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; on the list and wiki, proposing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; ideas, gather a list of issues that needs to be addressed, and do some
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; general brainstorming
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; and uhm.. &quot;stuff&quot;. ;)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I don't know RPM internals well, the only thing that comes to my mind is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; improved packagekit support for Mandriva / Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Don't necessarily need to know RPM internals for proposing features,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> or issues you'd
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> like to see be solved. :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe also the package management related items in the Mageia 2 specs can
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; be of interest:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification#package_m">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification#package_m</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; anagement_infrastructure
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Ah, yes, most certainly. :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I can leave some comments on your wiki, while adding what I personally
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> find useful and interesting to my
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wiki page where I'll keep track of it's current progress (at my end at
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> least;).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Please note that this wiki page is readonly (don't trust the wiki if it lets
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you edit it). The place for discussion is bugzilla (each item should have an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> entry in bugzilla, even if it's not the case currently).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Improving packagekit would be great, not having a qt based package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> manager is annoying.
+</I>&gt;<i> Yupp, you'll find several new features the urpmi backend was lacking
+</I>&gt;<i> implemented in my branch.
+</I>&gt;<i> Keep in mind though that packagekit is designed in a very generic way,
+</I>&gt;<i> with the features that packagekit lacks, it's not as simple as just going
+</I>&gt;<i> ahead and implement it in the backend, support also needs to be
+</I>&gt;<i> implemented in the frontend as well.
+</I>&gt;<i> And if you want some new feature making it into packagekit upstream,
+</I>&gt;<i> you need to have some consencus on it and take other distros into
+</I>&gt;<i> consideration as well, so there might potentially be features of rpmdrake
+</I>&gt;<i> that will be hard, if ever to get properly implemented in packagekit
+</I>&gt;<i> and maintained upstream..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In the scenario for how I'd like to see packagekit adopted for Mandriva and MPM
+</I>&gt;<i> for instance, I'm kinda expecting having to go ahead and just
+</I>&gt;<i> implement and maintain
+</I>&gt;<i> some features in our own backend only that might not be part of
+</I>&gt;<i> packagekit's features
+</I>&gt;<i> or supported by other frontends for it etc. (at least not immediately).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, that's just some thoughts I've had on the potential challenges
+</I>&gt;<i> of packagekit
+</I>&gt;<i> and to warn against having too high expectations towards packagekit
+</I>&gt;<i> frontends replacing
+</I>&gt;<i> existing ones.. :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there any particular features in the packagekit feature matrix
+</I>&gt;<i> you're missing btw.?
+</I>&gt;<i> ('what-provides' has already been implemented in my branch &lt;/FYI&gt;:)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The only other thing that I would like to see, although i think it is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> more or a urpm issue than rpm is adding parallel downloads, so that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> when packages are being installed, it keeps on downloading the next
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> set to be installed.
+</I>&gt;<i> Yupp, already on urpmi's suggested feature list since a while ago,
+</I>&gt;<i> although it would have
+</I>&gt;<i> to be implemented at a much higher level in urpmi perl code by adding
+</I>&gt;<i> separate threads
+</I>&gt;<i> downloading and package installation.. I'm a wuzz at perl and awaiting
+</I>&gt;<i> for a new perl
+</I>&gt;<i> maintainer to arrive to hand of such very perly details to implement,
+</I>&gt;<i> so it's on the list,
+</I>&gt;<i> but likely not to be done (in urpmi) by me. :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Per &#216;yvind
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The thing about packagekit, well most graphical frontends package
+management (pm) is that they dont really need to be that functional.
+By that I mean that yes it is great to be able to query nearly all of
+urpmi's features in rpmdrake, however, isn't it much faster to just do
+urpmf --files file-name. I guess what I am getting at is that as long
+as basic functionality, eg searching, add/remove and repo
+configurations are handled by the pm and done properly, ie not causing
+any breakage, then I feel that it is fair enough to say that more
+advanced functions should be done on the cl, firstly because that way
+is easier, secondly because that way encourages less breakage from
+just point and click and see.
+One feature of rpmdrake that i do really like is that you can
+configure it to search by {name,description.......} this helps a lot
+for finding software that you don't know the specifics for before
+hand, and the only real case where a gui frontend comes into its own
+for pm so I guess that as long as that is supported, with being able
+to see arch, and release numbers, I am happy to have a basic pm
+system.
+
+I remember seeing that list somewhere, hence why i wasn't sure. Well,
+I am about as good at speaking pearl as i am at finding perl's so i
+guess that counts me out :)
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+<PRE>Philippe DIDIER a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and D.Morgan at 13/10/11 17:41 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> should be in update_testing as this is related to a CVE :/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah that's what I meant... more info here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2267">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2267</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And maybe in tainted/update_testing too :)
+</I>
+Thanks to Dexter !
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+<PRE>2011/10/15 Donald Stewart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">watersnowrock at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> The thing about packagekit, well most graphical frontends package
+</I>&gt;<i> management (pm) is that they dont really need to be that functional.
+</I>I pretty much agree on that, but I'm not sure if everyone does though..
+
+&gt;<i> By that I mean that yes it is great to be able to query nearly all of
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi's features in rpmdrake, however, isn't it much faster to just do
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmf --files file-name. I guess what I am getting at is that as long
+</I>&gt;<i> as basic functionality, eg searching, add/remove and repo
+</I>&gt;<i> configurations are handled by the pm and done properly, ie not causing
+</I>&gt;<i> any breakage, then I feel that it is fair enough to say that more
+</I>&gt;<i> advanced functions should be done on the cl, firstly because that way
+</I>&gt;<i> is easier, secondly because that way encourages less breakage from
+</I>&gt;<i> just point and click and see.
+</I>&gt;<i> One feature of rpmdrake that i do really like is that you can
+</I>&gt;<i> configure it to search by {name,description.......} this helps a lot
+</I>&gt;<i> for finding software that you don't know the specifics for before
+</I>&gt;<i> hand, and the only real case where a gui frontend comes into its own
+</I>&gt;<i> for pm so I guess that as long as that is supported, with being able
+</I>&gt;<i> to see arch, and release numbers, I am happy to have a basic pm
+</I>&gt;<i> system.
+</I>IIRC packagekit supports this and I think support was already in place for it,
+or I might've added support for it if it wasn't, while also adding
+support for some
+additional &quot;filters&quot; (packagekit's different ways of categorizing metadata to
+search through) as well.
+Some of these might've been tied to Mandriva's layout and repository naming
+etc. due to (current) lack of support for the necessary information to more
+correctly identify this.
+I'd like to look into extending the current metadata format to add
+ehr.. metadata
+about the metadata for this in Mandriva, the relevance of this to
+Mageia of course
+depends on actual interest in adopting this of course, so if anyone
+has any interest
+in coordinating anything and discussing this subject, this interest
+should be expressed
+ASAP as the changes should ideally last for a while and not frequently change.
+
+I see proposals of adopting the repomd xml format used by yum on Mageia's list,
+for Mandriva I'm not really considering this at all as I don't really
+see any real benefits,
+while I clearly see drawbacks of it's regarding bloat affecting the
+size and speed of
+loading it, whereas for URPM the synthesis metadata is very light,
+incredibly easy and
+fast to load and parse. I see some issues with the additional metadata
+used by urpmi that's
+stored in xml though (ie. files.xml.lzma only listing all files with
+no information about whether
+being directory, symlink, regular file or any other attributes that
+would make it more usable
+for things beyond just informational purposes to user)..
+I'm digressing with too lenghty discussions of matters that might not
+be all that interesting
+to everyone, so I guess I'll rather continue covering this on the wiki
+pages in stead.. ;)
+
+Anyways, for packagekit, I did most of the work back in May though and
+haven't touched it
+much since, I guess it wouldn't hurt revisiting it, but you're likely
+to be able to get around to
+take a look and confirm/report any bugs/(missing) features before me
+if you have the interest
+yourself.
+I'm personally not really using packagekit myself ATM, so I have to
+rely on any potential bugs
+getting reported back to me.. ;)
+
+--
+Regards,
+Per &#216;yvind
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">20111014140300.GQ21938 at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, You-Cheng Hsieh wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is it possible to add a mailing list to bug CC list?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Currently many bugs related to Traditional Chinese issues are reported
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> by person. But I think it would be more helpful if the bug changes can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be CC to our mailing list so that more users can track and receive
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> progress. If the bug reporter cannot test or unavailable to response,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other users who subscribed the mailing list can help test it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>If there is bugs specific to one language frequently, we can create
+</I>&gt;<i>i18n-[language]<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">-bugs at ml.mageia.org</A> mailing lists for each language, and
+</I>&gt;<i>add them to bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>But if there is only few bugs related to one language, adding a list for
+</I>&gt;<i>each language is maybe overkill, and using a single list for all
+</I>&gt;<i>translation bugs can probably be enough.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>How often is there bugs like this ?
+</I>
+I'd say I've seen about 10 or so in total... so it's really not that
+common. But please note that when (if) we get maintainer groups etc. we'll
+have the same issue there.
+
+Perhaps have it possible to add anything@*.mageia.org into any of the
+bugzilla fields taking email addresses even when that address is not known
+to bugzilla?
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+&gt;<i> The thing about packagekit, well most graphical frontends package
+</I>&gt;<i> management (pm) is that they dont really need to be that functional.
+</I>&gt;<i> By that I mean that yes it is great to be able to query nearly all of
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi's features in rpmdrake, however, isn't it much faster to just do
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmf --files file-name.
+</I>
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+The people most likely to use a graphical program like rpmdrake are
+probably not so comfortable typing cryptic and distribution-specific
+shell commands!
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+&gt;<i> I guess what I am getting at is that as long
+</I>&gt;<i> as basic functionality, eg searching, add/remove and repo
+</I>&gt;<i> configurations are handled by the pm and done properly, ie not causing
+</I>&gt;<i> any breakage, then I feel that it is fair enough to say that more
+</I>&gt;<i> advanced functions should be done on the cl, firstly because that way
+</I>&gt;<i> is easier, secondly because that way encourages less breakage from
+</I>&gt;<i> just point and click and see.
+</I>
+The right answer is that point-and-click-and-see should not break
+things.
+
+Years ago I used to recommend Mandrake Linux when I spoke at
+conferences, and one reason was that the admin tools had a log that
+showed you what commands were being run, and, if you ran the commands
+yourself, the same thing would happen. So it was a way for people to
+learn.
+
+Liam
+
+--
+Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, <A HREF="http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/">http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/</A>
+Pictures from old books: <A HREF="http://fromoldbooks.org/">http://fromoldbooks.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> On 14 October 2011 14:40, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; jquelin &lt;jquelin&gt; 2:5.14.2-3.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 155117
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - perl 5.14.2 rebuild
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - rebuild
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> uh?
+</I>
+pebkac when trying to automate rebuilding some pkgs. :-)
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The thing about packagekit, well most graphical frontends package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> management (pm) is that they dont really need to be that functional.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> By that I mean that yes it is great to be able to query nearly all of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> urpmi's features in rpmdrake, however, isn't it much faster to just do
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> urpmf --files file-name.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The people most likely to use a graphical program like rpmdrake are
+</I>&gt;<i> probably not so comfortable typing cryptic and distribution-specific
+</I>&gt;<i> shell commands!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;I guess what I am getting at is that as long
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as basic functionality, eg searching, add/remove and repo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> configurations are handled by the pm and done properly, ie not causing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> any breakage, then I feel that it is fair enough to say that more
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> advanced functions should be done on the cl, firstly because that way
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is easier, secondly because that way encourages less breakage from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just point and click and see.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The right answer is that point-and-click-and-see should not break
+</I>&gt;<i> things.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Years ago I used to recommend Mandrake Linux when I spoke at
+</I>&gt;<i> conferences, and one reason was that the admin tools had a log that
+</I>&gt;<i> showed you what commands were being run, and, if you ran the commands
+</I>&gt;<i> yourself, the same thing would happen. So it was a way for people to
+</I>&gt;<i> learn.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Liam
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, <A HREF="http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/">http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Pictures from old books: <A HREF="http://fromoldbooks.org/">http://fromoldbooks.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+That is what I am saying. A frontend should cover every feature that
+is required and can be done sensibly from a gui - without the risk of
+allowing a system to break. I don't care how perfect a gui is, it will
+always increase the risk of something breaking, I am not saying that
+we should remove the option for users to configure things from the
+gui, but before we go and implement advanced features - like the
+orphan feature - we need to make sure that they work properly, both as
+tools and in there communincation, unlike the orphan feature, it did
+break many systems.
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I know I'm being impatient, but is there an ETA for backports opening?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When it's done.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Can't argue with that ;-)
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Marja van Waes at 14/10/11 19:59 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is anyone willing to look into bug 3047
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3047">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3047</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and share your ideas from a developer's point of view?
+</I>
+Just as a general comment, when posting bugs numbers to the list, it's
+best to include a subject and summary in the email to pique peoples'
+interest!
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+<PRE>On Tuesday, October 04, 2011 05:18:11 pm Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+&gt;<i> If there is no maintainer I will rebuild it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sent from my Motorola ATRIX&#8482; 4G on AT&amp;T
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+</I>&gt;<i> -----Original message-----
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Philippe DIDIER &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">philippedidier at laposte.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sent: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 18:30:41 GMT+00:00
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] texi2html
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas Spuhler a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tuesday, September 27, 2011 03:49:56 pm Philippe DIDIER wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; D.Morgan a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:54 AM, Jani V&#228;limaa &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jani.valimaa at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 2011/9/27 Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Monday, September 26, 2011 07:33:20 pm Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Monday, September 26, 2011 08:34:30 am Anssi Hannula wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On 26.09.2011 15:47, nicolas vigier wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Sat, 24 Sep 2011, Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; But are you sure about texlive providing it?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I don't know. It looks like it's not in the texlive package.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; My impression (from a few years back I think) is that standalone
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; texi2html is the texlive-era replacement for tetex-texi2html.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Since I need it for lilypond, I'll fix those requires that had a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; require for tetex-texi2html
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; it's also needed for gcomprise. It doesn't build without.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; But here comes an interesting twist.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; BuildRequires: texi2html in gcomprise is just being ignored, on the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; BS as well as on the local VM
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Installing it let's me build the package, after uninstalling
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; texi2html it doesn't build, but the requires is ignored.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; If I change it to something else such as BuildRequires: texi3html
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Then it tells me rightfully texi2html is missing.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Your BR isn't ignored, texi2html is also provided by texlive and it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; gets installed instead of texi2html.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; i am working on new texlive, i can take a look to this issue.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Olav Vitters has rebuilt texlive (with new libpng15) after boklm had
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; erased the wrong Provides : texi2html
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Now, if BR texi2html is in a spec, texi2html.rpm will be installed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; You may now push ffmpeg, gcompris, to be built...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; You may try lilypond
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Remind that lash, qemu, and xen need to have BR modified
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; from BR: tetex-texi2html to BR: texi2html too
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Olav Vitters seems to have taken care of quagga
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks a lot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One package remains with a wrong BR
+</I>&gt;<i> Xen spec file still have BR: tetex-texi2html
+</I>&gt;<i> if it is rebuilt it needs to be now BR: texi2html
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> need to provide a bug report ?
+</I>XEN currently doesn't build. There is an issue filed upstreams
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+activity. There are bug reposts, but none has closed for at least 2 years
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+&gt;<i> I just rebuilt lash. In order to get it built, I had to remove
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{python_sitelib}/*
+</I>&gt;<i> Can someone who uses it please test it?
+</I>
+In the previous build (march)
+python-lash rpm was created
+it could install a directory
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+You said you had to remove -%{python_sitelib}/* in the spec file
+because there was nothing there (so your python-lash rpm seems to be
+empty !)
+If nothing was created in the buildroot (and no file found to be
+packaged) it's perhaps a problem of config : if python was not found
+(configure.ac seems to look for a path to PYTHON 2.3 !!! ) this these 4
+files were not created and there's indeed nothing to install...
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+Perhaps a problem with the update of python since july ?
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+Did you get an error message complaining about a missing optional
+dependency (even if that doesn't prevent to &quot;make&quot; what is not optional
+:<i> configure seems to allow to make without creating python-lash)
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+<PRE>On Saturday, October 15, 2011 07:16:19 pm Philippe DIDIER wrote:
+&gt;<i> Thomas Spuhler a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I just rebuilt lash. In order to get it built, I had to remove
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; -%{python_sitelib}/*
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Can someone who uses it please test it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In the previous build (march)
+</I>&gt;<i> python-lash rpm was created
+</I>&gt;<i> it could install a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/
+</I>&gt;<i> wich contained 4 files
+</I>&gt;<i> _lash.a
+</I>&gt;<i> _lash.la
+</I>&gt;<i> _lash.so
+</I>&gt;<i> lash.py
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You said you had to remove -%{python_sitelib}/* in the spec file
+</I>&gt;<i> because there was nothing there (so your python-lash rpm seems to be
+</I>&gt;<i> empty !)
+</I>&gt;<i> If nothing was created in the buildroot (and no file found to be
+</I>&gt;<i> packaged) it's perhaps a problem of config : if python was not found
+</I>&gt;<i> (configure.ac seems to look for a path to PYTHON 2.3 !!! ) this these 4
+</I>&gt;<i> files were not created and there's indeed nothing to install...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps a problem with the update of python since july ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Did you get an error message complaining about a missing optional
+</I>&gt;<i> dependency (even if that doesn't prevent to &quot;make&quot; what is not optional
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> : configure seems to allow to make without creating python-lash)
+</I>
+No, I didn't see any error messages.
+--
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+&gt;<i> Revision 155472 Author spuhler Date 2011-10-16 04:13:39 +0200 (Sun, 16 Oct
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> added 2.14.2 sources
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+</I>===================================================================
+&gt;<i> --- updates/1/lilypond/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst 2011-10-16 02:05:09 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;<i> 155471)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ updates/1/lilypond/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst 2011-10-16 02:13:39 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;<i> 155472)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1,2 +1,4 @@
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+</I>&gt;<i> lilypond-2.12.3-2.documentation.tar.bz2
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+</I>&gt;<i> +da2e66a604c06ff55e66e11ec8812c2c32b4cf6f
+</I>&gt;<i> lilypond-2.14.2-1.documentation.tar.bz2
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+</I>How exactly are you doing the upload of new sources as the old sources
+are never removed from sha1.lst? Old sources should be removed
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+&gt;<i> php-ffmpeg doesn't build anymore and their WEBsite dosn't show any
+</I>&gt;<i> development activity. There are bug reposts, but none has closed for at
+</I>&gt;<i> least 2 years I propose to drop this package. I don't think there are any
+</I>&gt;<i> deps that need it.
+</I>
+I agree with this drop. Another php question :
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+I am trying to build maniadrive in Mageia. To strip the embedded libs, it
+needs the file /usr/lib/libphp5.so . We currently do not build it in the php
+packages. Fedora does it and it ends in the rpm php-embedded.
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+1. Do you agree to add it to our php SPEC?
+2. Do you want to do it, or can I just submit?
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+<PRE>Thomas Spuhler a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Saturday, October 15, 2011 07:16:19 pm Philippe DIDIER wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas Spuhler a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I just rebuilt lash. In order to get it built, I had to remove
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -%{python_sitelib}/*
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can someone who uses it please test it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In the previous build (march)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> python-lash rpm was created
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it could install a directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wich contained 4 files
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _lash.a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _lash.la
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _lash.so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lash.py
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You said you had to remove -%{python_sitelib}/* in the spec file
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> because there was nothing there (so your python-lash rpm seems to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> empty !)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If nothing was created in the buildroot (and no file found to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packaged) it's perhaps a problem of config : if python was not found
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (configure.ac seems to look for a path to PYTHON 2.3 !!! ) this these 4
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> files were not created and there's indeed nothing to install...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Perhaps a problem with the update of python since july ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Did you get an error message complaining about a missing optional
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dependency (even if that doesn't prevent to &quot;make&quot; what is not optional
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> : configure seems to allow to make without creating python-lash)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, I didn't see any error messages.
+</I>
+
+It really looks as if the python path was not found ... (configure looks
+for python path with this list : python2 python2.5 python2.4 python2.3
+python2.2 python2.1 python2.0 python1.6 python1.5)
+The python version in mageia is 2.7 !!!
+
+if no python path is found configure may disable pylash building
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+You may look in the log and try to find :
+build_pylash=&quot;disabled&quot;
+It may be disabled without warning !!! as it doesn't prevent from
+building the other components
+but when creating the rpm python-lash you have no file to put into it
+
+Suppressing the line :
+-%{python_sitelib}/*
+in the spec file hides the symptom and provides an empty and useless rpm
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+That's my hypothesis but I'm not very able !
+Maybe you may ask to an old packager !!!
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+<PRE>On 26/09/2011 17:34, Anssi Hannula wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 26.09.2011 15:47, nicolas vigier wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011, Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But are you sure about texlive providing it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know. It looks like it's not in the texlive package.
+</I>&gt;<i> My impression (from a few years back I think) is that standalone
+</I>&gt;<i> texi2html is the texlive-era replacement for tetex-texi2html.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>It's not like this. The misalignment in having multiple versions comes
+from having different source of packages. tetex had it's own texi2html
+(so I guess texlive), which is certified and well QA and integrated with
+that tetex version, so it provides &quot;texi2html&quot;. At a certain point newer
+versions of texi2html were placed in contrib because they were newer
+(there were also other packages in this situation, xdvi, prosper, etc.)
+and because of not touching the main tetex package. To handle this kind
+of misalignment a good way to proceed would be to go in the main package
+providing it (i.e. tetex/texlive) and try to merge the newer texi2html
+with the new one, then redoing the tests. This often doesn't happen
+because it takes a lot of amount of time, and require to handle with the
+main and bigger package (texlive/tetex), and people often don't do this
+if they are doing &quot;snack packaging&quot;.
+
+The other way, which is to transform everything as &quot;pluggable&quot; (e.g.
+split packages at source, so for instance not having tetex providing
+texi2html) IMHO doesn't provide the same amount of certification,
+because the packager (packager not necessarely means the maintainer)
+just upgrade the version number, without taking care of re-testing, and
+in case he doesn't know in deep about that package what he does as side
+effect is to give away the upstream tetex/texlive certification
+(certification that the included, so older, texi2html package works well
+and has no flaws with the rest of the tetex/texlive distro) in favour of
+a newer version (hoping that if something goes wrong or of some bug some
+end-user would file a bug on bugzilla...).
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+G.
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+<PRE>Philippe DIDIER a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Joaquin Mandriva a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My name is Joaquin, belonging to <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/">http://blogdrake.net/</A>&gt; team. I am
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> writing to you because I would like to let you know that we have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> created a repository with a big amount of good programs for Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Our final target is to upload all of them to the official Mageia's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> repositories.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We are currently uploading all these packages to the Mageia's BS step
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> by step, because there are few people of us to do so. Also, also we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> don't have too much time because we also take care of Blogdrake,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia's news and the translations English to Spanish.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Meanwhile, you can use and enjoy our repository in this way:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib <A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The x86_64 repository is not finished yet, but you still can add it in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this way:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hello
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks to you...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just one thing to correct : your repos addresses are :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> nevertheless I could surf through your repos :
+</I>&gt;<i> Some of the rpms you propose reply to rpm requests already done or that
+</I>&gt;<i> I was going to write (reading my thoughts ?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First thing I must say : it's a very good idea to upload these packages
+</I>&gt;<i> to the BS and join the packagers team instead of providing third party
+</I>&gt;<i> repos that will soon create compatibility problems (as in the past for
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandrake and Mandriva with Thac's or MIB or others)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The second thing is : before uploading them you will have to be careful
+</I>&gt;<i> with the repos policy (core tainted non-free)
+</I>&gt;<i> In your own repo, there is a problematic package : faac (and libfaac0
+</I>&gt;<i> libfaac-devel) which is both non-free and tainted ...
+</I>&gt;<i> After long dicussions on the mailing list a meeting decision was not to
+</I>&gt;<i> provide it at the moment (nor the packages built with it...)
+</I>&gt;<i> If a non-free-&amp;-tainted repo is created for Mageia2, in the future, it
+</I>&gt;<i> will be then allowed ... wait and see !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I was thinking about a workaround to the problem of &quot;non-free_&amp;_tainted&quot;
+rpms in Mageia
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+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833</A>
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+Some multimedia programs can't correctly handle files containing aac
+sound (*.aac *.mp4 *.m4a) because faac and faac-devel are not provided.
+And that's really missing !!!
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+They can't and won't be backported to Mageia1 official repos...
+
+Perhaps a new &quot;non-free &amp; tainted&quot; repo will exist for Mageia2
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+Actually for Mageia1 Blogdrake might provide a third repo for this dozen
+of srpms (even if the existence of third repo is not riskless)
+
+Picking their last spec file from Mageia, and modifying the plf or
+tainted conditionnal building options to allow building with
+faac-devel... wouldn't be too much difficult and wouldn't bring much
+compatibility problems
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+If the version number is the same as in mageia repos, a &quot;twisted&quot;
+distsuffix would allow to &quot;update&quot; to them from core or tainted version
+(the same way as &quot;tainted&quot; distsuffix allows to update from a core release)
+and wouldn't prevent to update to a core or tainted new version later if
+provided in official updates repo
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+But... there's the :
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317</A>
+would it add other problems to this ?
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+But too there wouldn't exist QA for them
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+What do you think (on Mageia side and on Blogdrake side) ?
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+<PRE>Philippe DIDIER a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Thomas Spuhler a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Saturday, October 15, 2011 07:16:19 pm Philippe DIDIER wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas Spuhler a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I just rebuilt lash. In order to get it built, I had to remove
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -%{python_sitelib}/*
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can someone who uses it please test it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In the previous build (march)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> python-lash rpm was created
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it could install a directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wich contained 4 files
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> _lash.a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> _lash.la
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> _lash.so
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lash.py
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You said you had to remove -%{python_sitelib}/* in the spec file
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> because there was nothing there (so your python-lash rpm seems to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> empty !)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If nothing was created in the buildroot (and no file found to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packaged) it's perhaps a problem of config : if python was not found
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (configure.ac seems to look for a path to PYTHON 2.3 !!! ) this these 4
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> files were not created and there's indeed nothing to install...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Perhaps a problem with the update of python since july ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Did you get an error message complaining about a missing optional
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> dependency (even if that doesn't prevent to &quot;make&quot; what is not optional
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> : configure seems to allow to make without creating python-lash)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No, I didn't see any error messages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It really looks as if the python path was not found ... (configure looks
+</I>&gt;<i> for python path with this list : python2 python2.5 python2.4 python2.3
+</I>&gt;<i> python2.2 python2.1 python2.0 python1.6 python1.5)
+</I>&gt;<i> The python version in mageia is 2.7 !!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> if no python path is found configure may disable pylash building
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You may look in the log and try to find :
+</I>&gt;<i> build_pylash=&quot;disabled&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> It may be disabled without warning !!! as it doesn't prevent from
+</I>&gt;<i> building the other components
+</I>&gt;<i> but when creating the rpm python-lash you have no file to put into it
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Suppressing the line :
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{python_sitelib}/*
+</I>&gt;<i> in the spec file hides the symptom and provides an empty and useless rpm
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's my hypothesis but I'm not very able !
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe you may ask to an old packager !!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Funda Wang is our silent guardian angel :
+He just fixed it (and we may see how he could in revision 155500)!
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+<PRE>Hello guys,
+
+as i'm writing this, hplip-3.11.10 should be available for cauldron.
+I've removed some of the Fedora patches after checking back with Tim Waugh
+and Ji&#345;&#237; Popelka, both Fedora hplip maintainers. The patches were used for:
+<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/AutomaticPrintDriverInstallation">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/AutomaticPrintDriverInstallation</A>
+and i've removed them to be nearer to original upstream behavior.
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+
+hplip-3.11.10 adds support for these printers:
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+- HP DeskJet 3070 B611 series
+- HP Envy 110 e-All-in-One
+- HP LaserJet Enterprise 500 Color M551
+- HP OfficeJet Pro 8100
+- HP Officejet Pro 8600
+- HP PhotoSmart 5510 e-All-in-One
+- HP PhotoSmart 6510 e-All-in-one
+- HP PhotoSmart 7510 e-All-in-One
+
+Additionally, ADF scan issues on Officejet 6500 models were fixed.
+
+Full changelog is available upstream:
+<A HREF="http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/release_notes.html">http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/release_notes.html</A>
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+<PRE>On Saturday, October 15, 2011 10:45:19 pm Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2011/10/16 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Revision 155472 Author spuhler Date 2011-10-16 04:13:39 +0200 (Sun, 16
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oct 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; added 2.14.2 sources
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --- updates/1/lilypond/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst 2011-10-16 02:05:09 UTC
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (rev 155471)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +++ updates/1/lilypond/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst 2011-10-16 02:13:39 UTC
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (rev 155472)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; @@ -1,2 +1,4 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; a06e894148c0458a93d2c6f9ea1e621c665b0a54
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; lilypond-2.12.3-2.documentation.tar.bz2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; f36072d5f57b2a3d3877e82879be375d548aa951 lilypond-2.12.3.tar.gz
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +da2e66a604c06ff55e66e11ec8812c2c32b4cf6f
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; lilypond-2.14.2-1.documentation.tar.bz2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +0ea657bb184d9d6a2e3f6bca91e6b0d62a3a013e lilypond-2.14.2.tar.gz
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How exactly are you doing the upload of new sources as the old sources
+</I>&gt;<i> are never removed from sha1.lst? Old sources should be removed
+</I>&gt;<i> automatically when using 'mgarepo sync'..
+</I>
+I use mgarepo upload
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+&gt;<i> Philippe DIDIER a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thomas Spuhler a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Saturday, October 15, 2011 07:16:19 pm Philippe DIDIER wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Thomas Spuhler a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I just rebuilt lash. In order to get it built, I had to remove
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; -%{python_sitelib}/*
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Can someone who uses it please test it?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; In the previous build (march)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; python-lash rpm was created
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; it could install a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; wich contained 4 files
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; _lash.a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; _lash.la
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; _lash.so
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; lash.py
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; You said you had to remove -%{python_sitelib}/* in the spec file
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; because there was nothing there (so your python-lash rpm seems to be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; empty !)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; If nothing was created in the buildroot (and no file found to be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; packaged) it's perhaps a problem of config : if python was not found
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; (configure.ac seems to look for a path to PYTHON 2.3 !!! ) this these 4
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; files were not created and there's indeed nothing to install...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Perhaps a problem with the update of python since july ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Did you get an error message complaining about a missing optional
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; dependency (even if that doesn't prevent to &quot;make&quot; what is not optional
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; : configure seems to allow to make without creating python-lash)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; No, I didn't see any error messages.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It really looks as if the python path was not found ... (configure looks
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for python path with this list : python2 python2.5 python2.4 python2.3
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; python2.2 python2.1 python2.0 python1.6 python1.5)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The python version in mageia is 2.7 !!!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; if no python path is found configure may disable pylash building
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You may look in the log and try to find :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; build_pylash=&quot;disabled&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It may be disabled without warning !!! as it doesn't prevent from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; building the other components
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; but when creating the rpm python-lash you have no file to put into it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Suppressing the line :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; -%{python_sitelib}/*
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in the spec file hides the symptom and provides an empty and useless rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That's my hypothesis but I'm not very able !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe you may ask to an old packager !!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Funda Wang is our silent guardian angel :
+</I>&gt;<i> He just fixed it (and we may see how he could in revision 155500)!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks Funda
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+Thanks Funda. I will look it up just to learn how you did it.
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+<PRE>Am 12.10.2011 12:47, schrieb Florian Hubold:
+&gt;<i> Am 11.10.2011 11:21, schrieb andre999:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 28.09.2011 14:40, schrieb Florian Hubold:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 22.09.2011 21:37, schrieb Florian Hubold:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 22.09.2011 00:09, schrieb Luc Menut:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My own opinion is we should do both 1 and 3 in your list of options
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1/ Change the defaults in /etc/security/msec/level.* and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 3/ make dma a suggest for msec
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If these two changes were introduced as updates to Mageia 1 then the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> consequences would I believe be.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a/ Users with default configuration :-
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Changing the defaults in /etc/security/msec/level.* will not affect an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> existing installation unless they change their security level.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mail would go into /var/spool/mail/root instead of /root/dead.letter They
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> probably would still not see the mail because they are unlikely to know
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> how to configure another user to receive roots mail. The only change they
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> would notice is when logging in at a root console they would see a message
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> saying &quot;You have new mail&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> b/ Users who have configured a real mail address in msec
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Installing dma as a require will cause these mails to actually start being
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> delivered. Since the user has put the real mail address in the msec
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> configuration we have to assume they actually want the mails to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> delivered so that is a &quot;good thing&quot;. If their ISP will only accept mail
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> from a real MTA as mentioned by Frank Griffin then the message will
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> not be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> delivered unless a relay host is defined in dma. Since they are already
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> not being delivered nothing will have changed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> c/ New users of Mageia 2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Changing the defaults in /etc/security/msec/level.* will suppress emails
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> other than to those users who have specifically requested them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hope that helps
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Derek
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So if nobody objects or sees other problem with this, i'll modify
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the defaults in /etc/security/msec/level.* to not send email by default
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and making dma a suggest for msec.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This poses another problem:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On a default configuration, we would enable sending reports by installing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> dma with
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the msec update, but also disable sending of all reports by changing the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> default settings,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> which will apply for everybody who has not run msec-gui or configured msec
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> manually.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So this change would be quite antipodal.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm for not changing the default to send mail to root, as this would enable
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sending of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> reports on default configurations, and change nothing for configurations
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> where people
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> want those reports sent by mail.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Opinions, please?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Option 1 disables sending reports by default.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Option 3 ensures that if the user decides to enable sending reports,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> everything needed to send reports locally is already installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Considering that dma is only adds 64 k, and yields gracefully if another MTA
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is installed, that is not a big overhead.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However note that ignored messages quickly accumulate and will end up
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> occupying a lot of disk space, which would be problematic after a while for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> users with limited space on their / partition.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Because of this, I would suggest another change :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (maybe call it option 1+ ?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1) No default destination. (It is now MAIL_USER=root for all security levels.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2) To make this effective, msec will have to be changed so that if there is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> no email adresse (or userid) is entered, then no email is sent, even if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sending is inadvertantly enabled.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've tested msec, and if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1) sending a security alert is enabled, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2) there is no default defined (stored as MAIL_USER= in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /etc/security/msec/level.*), and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3) there is an empty send-to field (stored as MAIL_USER= in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /etc/security/msec/security.conf),
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> an email is now sent to root.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It may be that msec is sending the email without an addressee, and it is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> automatically routed it to root by my MTA (sendmail).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This change should be relatively simple to implement (once we find the place
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in the code), as instead of sending an alert email to a default destination
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (root) if the user hasn't entered one, the alert is simply not sent.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> my 2 cents :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This sounds like a rather big change for a purely bugfix update, because it
+</I>&gt;<i> would also need changes in msec code.
+</I>&gt;<i> Any other opinions on this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Well, if there are no other proposals or no patch for this proposal till next
+weekend,
+i'll drop the change to msec default settings to not send email by default
+and will issue the update as is.
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+Seems to me noone is interested in msec anymore.
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+&gt;<i> &gt; It won't fix it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The problem is more related to kdepimlibs (&amp; if i'm not wrong i did open
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; a bug report about it).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok in fact it's not due to kdepimlibs (like i thought) but to
+</I>&gt;<i> shared-mime-info update
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cf <A HREF="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=283615">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=283615</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There's a workaround there (by editing a desktop file :p ) if you want to
+</I>&gt;<i> give a try, but we probably need to wait for a propre fix from upstream.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Ok then i was not that wrong, a fix [1] has been pushed for that on kdepimlibs
+:<i>)
+</I>I'll push it soon :)
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+
+[1]
+<A HREF="http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kdepimlibs.git&amp;a=commit&amp;h=e86bd47521fffd2d28d048c7d8ab6c4e6a4d909a">http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kdepimlibs.git&amp;a=commit&amp;h=e86bd47521fffd2d28d048c7d8ab6c4e6a4d909a</A>
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+Regards,
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; How exactly are you doing the upload of new sources as the old sources
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; are never removed from sha1.lst? Old sources should be removed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; automatically when using 'mgarepo sync'..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I use mgarepo upload
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, 16 Oct 2011, Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; How exactly are you doing the upload of new sources as the old sources
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; are never removed from sha1.lst? Old sources should be removed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; automatically when using 'mgarepo sync'..
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I use mgarepo upload
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You should also remove old ones, using 'mgarepo del', or 'mgarepo sync',
+</I>&gt;<i> or by editing sha1.lst.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I tend to upload sources by first downloading new sources, editing new
+version to .spec and then using 'mgarepo sync' which uploads new
+sources automatically and edits sha1.lst. After that I only need to
+commit my changes to .spec and sha1.lst.
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+Sometimes, when I'm lazy, I also use 'mgarepo sync -d' which downloads
+new sources from upstream and uploads them to mageia binrepos.
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+&gt;<i> Seems to me noone is interested in msec anymore.
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+&gt;<i> 2011/10/16 nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sun, 16 Oct 2011, Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; How exactly are you doing the upload of new sources as the old sources
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; are never removed from sha1.lst? Old sources should be removed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; automatically when using 'mgarepo sync'..
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I use mgarepo upload
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You should also remove old ones, using 'mgarepo del', or 'mgarepo sync',
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; or by editing sha1.lst.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I tend to upload sources by first downloading new sources, editing new
+</I>&gt;<i> version to .spec and then using 'mgarepo sync' which uploads new
+</I>&gt;<i> sources automatically and edits sha1.lst. After that I only need to
+</I>&gt;<i> commit my changes to .spec and sha1.lst.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sometimes, when I'm lazy, I also use 'mgarepo sync -d' which downloads
+</I>&gt;<i> new sources from upstream and uploads them to mageia binrepos.
+</I>
+I usually remove the old sources after the new sources have been built
+successfully.
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+&gt;<i> On Sunday, October 16, 2011 09:32:35 am Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/10/16 nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On Sun, 16 Oct 2011, Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; How exactly are you doing the upload of new sources as the old sources
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; are never removed from sha1.lst? Old sources should be removed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; automatically when using 'mgarepo sync'..
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I use mgarepo upload
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; You should also remove old ones, using 'mgarepo del', or 'mgarepo sync',
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; or by editing sha1.lst.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I tend to upload sources by first downloading new sources, editing new
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> version to .spec and then using 'mgarepo sync' which uploads new
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sources automatically and edits sha1.lst. After that I only need to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> commit my changes to .spec and sha1.lst.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sometimes, when I'm lazy, I also use 'mgarepo sync -d' which downloads
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> new sources from upstream and uploads them to mageia binrepos.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I usually remove the old sources after the new sources have been built
+</I>&gt;<i> successfully.
+</I>
+If you decide to do so in the future too, please use SILENT in commit
+msg as removing/adding sources without it pollutes the %changelog.
+IMHO there's no need to mention in pkg %changelog when sources are
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+noarch packages are not being replaced there
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+&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://people.ecsc.co.uk/~matt/downloads/rpms/gtksourceview/">http://people.ecsc.co.uk/~matt/downloads/rpms/gtksourceview/</A>
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+&gt;<i> 2011/10/16 Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sunday, October 16, 2011 09:32:35 am Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2011/10/16 nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; On Sun, 16 Oct 2011, Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; How exactly are you doing the upload of new sources as the old
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; sources are never removed from sha1.lst? Old sources should be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; removed automatically when using 'mgarepo sync'..
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I use mgarepo upload
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; You should also remove old ones, using 'mgarepo del', or 'mgarepo
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; sync', or by editing sha1.lst.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I tend to upload sources by first downloading new sources, editing new
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; version to .spec and then using 'mgarepo sync' which uploads new
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; sources automatically and edits sha1.lst. After that I only need to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; commit my changes to .spec and sha1.lst.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Sometimes, when I'm lazy, I also use 'mgarepo sync -d' which downloads
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; new sources from upstream and uploads them to mageia binrepos.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I usually remove the old sources after the new sources have been built
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; successfully.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you decide to do so in the future too, please use SILENT in commit
+</I>&gt;<i> msg as removing/adding sources without it pollutes the %changelog.
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO there's no need to mention in pkg %changelog when sources are
+</I>&gt;<i> added or deleted.
+</I>
+is there a procedure in the wiki (or somewhere else) explaning this?
+I upload source packages with mgarepo upload.
+This adds the package to the local sha1.lst file
+The the local sha1.lst change has to be committed to the repo and a log entry
+is requires, isn't it?
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+<PRE>2011/10/16 Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Sunday, October 16, 2011 10:55:46 am Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/10/16 Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On Sunday, October 16, 2011 09:32:35 am Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2011/10/16 nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; On Sun, 16 Oct 2011, Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; How exactly are you doing the upload of new sources as the old
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; sources are never removed from sha1.lst? Old sources should be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; removed automatically when using 'mgarepo sync'..
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I use mgarepo upload
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; You should also remove old ones, using 'mgarepo del', or 'mgarepo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; sync', or by editing sha1.lst.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I tend to upload sources by first downloading new sources, editing new
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; version to .spec and then using 'mgarepo sync' which uploads new
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; sources automatically and edits sha1.lst. After that I only need to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; commit my changes to .spec and sha1.lst.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Sometimes, when I'm lazy, I also use 'mgarepo sync -d' which downloads
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; new sources from upstream and uploads them to mageia binrepos.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I usually remove the old sources after the new sources have been built
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; successfully.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you decide to do so in the future too, please use SILENT in commit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> msg as removing/adding sources without it pollutes the %changelog.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IMHO there's no need to mention in pkg %changelog when sources are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> added or deleted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> is there a procedure in the wiki (or somewhere else) explaning &#160;this?
+</I>&gt;<i> I upload source packages with mgarepo upload.
+</I>&gt;<i> This adds the package to the local sha1.lst file
+</I>&gt;<i> The the local sha1.lst change has to be committed to the repo and a log entry
+</I>&gt;<i> is requires, isn't it?
+</I>
+Yes, every commit needs a log message to explain what changed. This
+commit/log message ends to a pkg %changelog when our BS is building
+the pkg. You can prevent all this by &quot;silencing the commit msg&quot;. See:
+<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Packaging/RepositorySystem#.22SILENT.22_changelog_messages">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Packaging/RepositorySystem#.22SILENT.22_changelog_messages</A>
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+<PRE>On Sunday, October 16, 2011 04:05:52 am Giuseppe Ghib&#242; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 26/09/2011 17:34, Anssi Hannula wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 26.09.2011 15:47, nicolas vigier wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Sat, 24 Sep 2011, Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; But are you sure about texlive providing it?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I don't know. It looks like it's not in the texlive package.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; My impression (from a few years back I think) is that standalone
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; texi2html is the texlive-era replacement for tetex-texi2html.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's not like this. The misalignment in having multiple versions comes
+</I>&gt;<i> from having different source of packages. tetex had it's own texi2html
+</I>&gt;<i> (so I guess texlive), which is certified and well QA and integrated with
+</I>&gt;<i> that tetex version, so it provides &quot;texi2html&quot;. At a certain point newer
+</I>&gt;<i> versions of texi2html were placed in contrib because they were newer
+</I>&gt;<i> (there were also other packages in this situation, xdvi, prosper, etc.)
+</I>&gt;<i> and because of not touching the main tetex package. To handle this kind
+</I>&gt;<i> of misalignment a good way to proceed would be to go in the main package
+</I>&gt;<i> providing it (i.e. tetex/texlive) and try to merge the newer texi2html
+</I>&gt;<i> with the new one, then redoing the tests. This often doesn't happen
+</I>&gt;<i> because it takes a lot of amount of time, and require to handle with the
+</I>&gt;<i> main and bigger package (texlive/tetex), and people often don't do this
+</I>&gt;<i> if they are doing &quot;snack packaging&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The other way, which is to transform everything as &quot;pluggable&quot; (e.g.
+</I>&gt;<i> split packages at source, so for instance not having tetex providing
+</I>&gt;<i> texi2html) IMHO doesn't provide the same amount of certification,
+</I>&gt;<i> because the packager (packager not necessarely means the maintainer)
+</I>&gt;<i> just upgrade the version number, without taking care of re-testing, and
+</I>&gt;<i> in case he doesn't know in deep about that package what he does as side
+</I>&gt;<i> effect is to give away the upstream tetex/texlive certification
+</I>&gt;<i> (certification that the included, so older, texi2html package works well
+</I>&gt;<i> and has no flaws with the rest of the tetex/texlive distro) in favour of
+</I>&gt;<i> a newer version (hoping that if something goes wrong or of some bug some
+</I>&gt;<i> end-user would file a bug on bugzilla...).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bye.
+</I>&gt;<i> G.
+</I>Thanks for the explanation.
+It seems you are pretty versed in texlive. Would you mind to look as why
+muscore doesn't build anymore with the current texlive:
+Font metrics written on mscore1-20.tfm.
+Output written on mscore1-20.600gf (18 characters, 7172 bytes).
+Transcript written on mscore1-20.log.
+This is MetaPost, version 1.504 (kpathsea version 6.0.1)
+(../mf2pt1.mp (/usr/share/texmf-dist/metapost/base/mfplain.mp
+Preloading the plain base, version 0.99: preliminaries,
+ basic constants and mathematical macros,
+ macros for converting units,
+ macros and tables for various modes of operation,
+ macros for drawing and filling,
+ macros for proof labels and rules,
+ macros for character and font administration,
+and a few last-minute items.))
+Transcript written on mf2pt1.log.
+Invoking &quot;mpost -mem=mf2pt1 -progname=mpost '\mode:=localfont; mag:=100;
+bpppix 0.02; input feta20.mf'&quot;...
+
+Sorry, I can't find the 'mf2pt1' preload file; will try 'plain'.This is
+MetaPost, version 1.504 (kpathsea version 6.0.1)
+(plain.mp
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+It lloks as if mf2pt1 is missing, The script is available on it's own, put old
+texlive and tetex didn't show this problem.
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+&gt;<i>Seems to me noone is interested in msec anymore.
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+To me msec is useful and does not require any change (I use postfix).
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+&gt;<i> In the scenario for how I'd like to see packagekit adopted for Mandriva and MPM
+</I>&gt;<i> for instance, I'm kinda expecting having to go ahead and just
+</I>&gt;<i> implement and maintain
+</I>&gt;<i> some features in our own backend only that might not be part of
+</I>&gt;<i> packagekit's features
+</I>&gt;<i> or supported by other frontends for it etc. (at least not immediately).
+</I>
+I really like packagekit as a simplified tool. For more advanced usage,
+I think it is fine if another tool exists.
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+Stuff that atm is not nicely working in 'packagekit':
+* sometimes hangs when updating
+* doesn't differentiate security updates vs &quot;core os&quot; vs application
+ updates
+ --&gt; packagekit under gnome3 will automatically apply all security
+ updates, plus provide a simplified overview
+* pretty slow IMO, mgaapplet is *much* faster
+* GNOME3 update check is only done 1x/week or so, while mgaapplet checks
+ every 3 hours (that is a gnome3 -dconf- setting, just think it should
+ be aligned)
+* when packagekit works reliably, IMO nicest to only have packagekit as
+ the updater instead of mgaapplet
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+&gt;<i> You can prevent all this by &quot;silencing the commit msg&quot;.
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+Is there documented somewhere what type of changes is to be silenced, and why?
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+&gt;<i> To me msec is useful and does not require any change
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+I feel the same. It works just nice.
+And I have the feeling that most users find it to be working fine. Things that just works tends to not get much feedback from users because it works as they expect it to operate.
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+&gt;<i> (I use postfix).
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+As do many, if not most of us. :-)=
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+&gt;<i> On Sunday 16 October 2011 23:16, Dick Gevers wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To me msec is useful and does not require any change
+</I>&gt;<i> I feel the same. It works just nice.
+</I>&gt;<i> And I have the feeling that most users find it to be working fine. Things that just works tends to not get much feedback from users because it works as they expect it to operate.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (I use postfix).
+</I>&gt;<i> As do many, if not most of us. :-)=
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I beg to differ. If most of the developers are running an MTA,
+does not mean that this works on a default install which most users
+are running. So please also think of the majority of Mageia users which
+this update is targeted at ...
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+&gt;<i> On Sunday 16 October 2011 21:59, Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You can prevent all this by &quot;silencing the commit msg&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there documented somewhere what type of changes is to be silenced, and why?
+</I>
+The ones who are not interesting in package changelog.
+
+If changelog is :
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+5.1.2
+- Update to new version
+- Update patches
+- Oops commit the updated patches
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+5.1.1
+...
+
+The &quot;Oops&quot; line is not useful to someone reading the changelog.
+It just means that you used two commits to &quot;Update patches&quot; instead of
+one, that does not need to appear in changelog so should be SILENCEd.
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+that way cmake fails with &quot;install TARGETS given no LIBRARY
+DESTINATION for shared library target&quot; on 2.0 version of kid3. If I
+compile that version from sources without using the build directory
+and running &quot;cmake .&quot; on the root of the tarball then it builds fine.
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+Any ideas of how to fix this so the cmake macro runs correctly ?
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 16 octobre 2011 18:32:26 Juan Luis Baptiste a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm updating kid3 to the latest's 2.0 version, but I'm having some
+</I>&gt;<i> problems with %cmake_kde4 macro. That macro creates a build dir, cd to
+</I>&gt;<i> it and then runs cmake there with a bunch of parameters, but when ran
+</I>&gt;<i> that way cmake fails with &quot;install TARGETS given no LIBRARY
+</I>&gt;<i> DESTINATION for shared library target&quot; on 2.0 version of kid3. If I
+</I>&gt;<i> compile that version from sources without using the build directory
+</I>&gt;<i> and running &quot;cmake .&quot; on the root of the tarball then it builds fine.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any ideas of how to fix this so the cmake macro runs correctly ?
+</I>The macro is correct, the bug is in kid3
+you can see this bug report here :
+<A HREF="http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&amp;aid=3405853&amp;group_id=70849&amp;atid=529221">http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&amp;aid=3405853&amp;group_id=70849&amp;atid=529221</A>
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+&amp; the fix is available on the git here :
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+<A HREF="http://kid3.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=kid3/kid3;a=commitdiff;h=ed22f2027b56af1207a936fb7a518e4d68ba3242;hp=638fe80a29bf23feb97276079067d3800fed25d6">http://kid3.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=kid3/kid3;a=commitdiff;h=ed22f2027b56af1207a936fb7a518e4d68ba3242;hp=638fe80a29bf23feb97276079067d3800fed25d6</A>
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+Regards,
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+Balcaen John
+Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The macro is correct, the bug is in kid3
+</I>&gt;<i> you can see this bug report here :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&amp;aid=3405853&amp;group_id=70849&amp;atid=529221">http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&amp;aid=3405853&amp;group_id=70849&amp;atid=529221</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &amp; the fix is available on the git here :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://kid3.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=kid3/kid3;a=commitdiff;h=ed22f2027b56af1207a936fb7a518e4d68ba3242;hp=638fe80a29bf23feb97276079067d3800fed25d6">http://kid3.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=kid3/kid3;a=commitdiff;h=ed22f2027b56af1207a936fb7a518e4d68ba3242;hp=638fe80a29bf23feb97276079067d3800fed25d6</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thank you John, as usual very helpful :)
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+&gt;<i> The &quot;Oops&quot; line is not useful to someone reading the changelog.
+</I>&gt;<i> It just means that you used two commits to &quot;Update patches&quot; instead of
+</I>&gt;<i> one, that does not need to appear in changelog so should be SILENCEd.
+</I>
+So if I comit a silent &quot;oops patch&quot; as the only reason and update release version as a result, won't someone starts complain that I didn't provide a reason for the commit?
+(I often see this on the cooker list)
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+And again: Is this documented anywhere, other that in the mailinglist archive?
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+<PRE>Philippe DIDIER a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Philippe DIDIER a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Joaquin Mandriva a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My name is Joaquin, belonging to <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/">http://blogdrake.net/</A>&gt; team. I am
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> writing to you because I would like to let you know that we have
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> created a repository with a big amount of good programs for Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Our final target is to upload all of them to the official Mageia's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> repositories.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We are currently uploading all these packages to the Mageia's BS step
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> by step, because there are few people of us to do so. Also, also we
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> don't have too much time because we also take care of Blogdrake,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia's news and the translations English to Spanish.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Meanwhile, you can use and enjoy our repository in this way:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib <A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The x86_64 repository is not finished yet, but you still can add it in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this way:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks to you...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just one thing to correct : your repos addresses are :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nevertheless I could surf through your repos :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Some of the rpms you propose reply to rpm requests already done or that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I was going to write (reading my thoughts ?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> First thing I must say : it's a very good idea to upload these packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to the BS and join the packagers team instead of providing third party
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> repos that will soon create compatibility problems (as in the past for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mandrake and Mandriva with Thac's or MIB or others)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The second thing is : before uploading them you will have to be careful
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with the repos policy (core tainted non-free)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In your own repo, there is a problematic package : faac (and libfaac0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libfaac-devel) which is both non-free and tainted ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> After long dicussions on the mailing list a meeting decision was not to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> provide it at the moment (nor the packages built with it...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If a non-free-&amp;-tainted repo is created for Mageia2, in the future, it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> will be then allowed ... wait and see !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I was thinking about a workaround to the problem of &quot;non-free_&amp;_tainted&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> rpms in Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some multimedia programs can't correctly handle files containing aac
+</I>&gt;<i> sound (*.aac *.mp4 *.m4a) because faac and faac-devel are not provided.
+</I>&gt;<i> And that's really missing !!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> They can't and won't be backported to Mageia1 official repos...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps a new &quot;non-free&amp; tainted&quot; repo will exist for Mageia2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Actually for Mageia1 Blogdrake might provide a third repo for this dozen
+</I>&gt;<i> of srpms (even if the existence of third repo is not riskless)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Picking their last spec file from Mageia, and modifying the plf or
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted conditionnal building options to allow building with
+</I>&gt;<i> faac-devel... wouldn't be too much difficult and wouldn't bring much
+</I>&gt;<i> compatibility problems
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If the version number is the same as in mageia repos, a &quot;twisted&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> distsuffix would allow to &quot;update&quot; to them from core or tainted version
+</I>&gt;<i> (the same way as &quot;tainted&quot; distsuffix allows to update from a core release)
+</I>&gt;<i> and wouldn't prevent to update to a core or tainted new version later if
+</I>&gt;<i> provided in official updates repo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But... there's the :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> would it add other problems to this ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But too there wouldn't exist QA for them
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think (on Mageia side and on Blogdrake side) ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+A personal POV from the Mageia side --
+It could be a good way to evaluate the need for a Nonfree+Tainted repo,
+as well as providing a ready source for those interested in such packages.
+
+Maybe another approach could be to try to separate nonfree and tainted
+parts, so that either
+- nonfree packages could optionally use &quot;tainted&quot; packages if installed, or
+- &quot;tainted&quot; packages could optionally use nonfree packages if installed,
+each in their respective current repos.
+Which won't work if a particular component is necessarily both nonfree
+and &quot;tainted&quot;.
+
+my 2 cents :-)
+
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+<PRE>On Monday 17 October 2011 04:19, andre999 wrote:
+&gt;<i> Maybe another approach could be to try to separate nonfree and tainted parts
+</I>
+That is a good idea. Then software who is only troublesome because of, for example, patents could be in a separate repo than the proprietary packages.
+
+PLF does this. They have both Free and Non-free repos.
+All of their packages in &quot;Free&quot; are legaly troublesome in USA but not in the entire world. Not all nations have software patents, hence packages who are in PLF &quot;Free&quot; due to patents are legal in those countries, like Russia and Norway.
+And the packages in &quot;Non-Free&quot; are not Free software, most is proprietary, I believe.
+
+Mageia should separate packages in the same maner. One repo/folder for taintet and one for proprietary/restricted.
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+ <B>Philippe DIDIER</B>
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+<PRE>andre999 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Philippe DIDIER a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Philippe DIDIER a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Joaquin Mandriva a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My name is Joaquin, belonging to <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/">http://blogdrake.net/</A>&gt; team. I am
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> writing to you because I would like to let you know that we have
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> created a repository with a big amount of good programs for Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Our final target is to upload all of them to the official Mageia's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> repositories.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We are currently uploading all these packages to the Mageia's BS step
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> by step, because there are few people of us to do so. Also, also we
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> don't have too much time because we also take care of Blogdrake,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia's news and the translations English to Spanish.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Meanwhile, you can use and enjoy our repository in this way:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The x86_64 repository is not finished yet, but you still can add it in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this way:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks to you...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Just one thing to correct : your repos addresses are :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nevertheless I could surf through your repos :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Some of the rpms you propose reply to rpm requests already done or that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I was going to write (reading my thoughts ?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> First thing I must say : it's a very good idea to upload these packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to the BS and join the packagers team instead of providing third party
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> repos that will soon create compatibility problems (as in the past for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mandrake and Mandriva with Thac's or MIB or others)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The second thing is : before uploading them you will have to be careful
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with the repos policy (core tainted non-free)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In your own repo, there is a problematic package : faac (and libfaac0
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libfaac-devel) which is both non-free and tainted ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> After long dicussions on the mailing list a meeting decision was not to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> provide it at the moment (nor the packages built with it...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If a non-free-&amp;-tainted repo is created for Mageia2, in the future, it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> will be then allowed ... wait and see !
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I was thinking about a workaround to the problem of &quot;non-free_&amp;_tainted&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpms in Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Some multimedia programs can't correctly handle files containing aac
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sound (*.aac *.mp4 *.m4a) because faac and faac-devel are not provided.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And that's really missing !!!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> They can't and won't be backported to Mageia1 official repos...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Perhaps a new &quot;non-free&amp; tainted&quot; repo will exist for Mageia2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Actually for Mageia1 Blogdrake might provide a third repo for this dozen
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of srpms (even if the existence of third repo is not riskless)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Picking their last spec file from Mageia, and modifying the plf or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tainted conditionnal building options to allow building with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> faac-devel... wouldn't be too much difficult and wouldn't bring much
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> compatibility problems
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If the version number is the same as in mageia repos, a &quot;twisted&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distsuffix would allow to &quot;update&quot; to them from core or tainted version
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (the same way as &quot;tainted&quot; distsuffix allows to update from a core
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> release)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and wouldn't prevent to update to a core or tainted new version later if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> provided in official updates repo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But... there's the :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would it add other problems to this ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But too there wouldn't exist QA for them
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What do you think (on Mageia side and on Blogdrake side) ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A personal POV from the Mageia side --
+</I>&gt;<i> It could be a good way to evaluate the need for a Nonfree+Tainted repo,
+</I>&gt;<i> as well as providing a ready source for those interested in such packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe another approach could be to try to separate nonfree and tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> parts, so that either
+</I>&gt;<i> - nonfree packages could optionally use &quot;tainted&quot; packages if installed, or
+</I>&gt;<i> - &quot;tainted&quot; packages could optionally use nonfree packages if installed,
+</I>&gt;<i> each in their respective current repos.
+</I>&gt;<i> Which won't work if a particular component is necessarily both nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> and &quot;tainted&quot;.
+</I>That's the problem : we have already tainted packages ... they have been
+built without faac-devel and don't require faac which is both tainted
+and non-free :-(
+If they are built with faac the binaries become non-free (not LGPL) and
+stay tainted ... (they can't be splitted in parts)
+it's true for avidemux, mencoder, handbrake, audiokonverter, and some
+others (the list is in the bug report
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833</A>)
+ it's an aporia !
+I don't want to argue again about the decision for the Mageia's repos !
+only need to find a way to get working binaries for my purpose... and I
+think I'm not alone to have to work with a quasi standard for multimedia
+files on internet.
+plf allowed that for Mandriva ...
+no third repo allows this for Mageia
+If I'm alone, never mind, I know how to build my own (two lines to
+modify in a spec file and =&gt; rpmbuild -ba ... that's all folks! )
+If newcomers try Mageia and has to be taught how to build a rpm, they
+better will use debian or fedora or ubuntu or opensuse that have quasi
+official third repos for this problem...
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> my 2 cents :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>my 2 &#955;&#949;&#960;&#964;&#949;&#962;
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+<PRE>2011/10/16 Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Thanks Funda. I will look it up just to learn how you did it.
+</I>The problem comes from the upgrading of swig, it tends to have such
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+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
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+<PRE>On 17 October 2011 08:10, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> tmb &lt;tmb&gt; 0.1.292-2.1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 155639
+</I>&gt;<i> - fix for mga #933 must filter on subvendor/subdevice in order to fix mga #1525
+</I>
+I don't want to be rude but:
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+1) what did you not understand in:
+ &quot;NO&#160;MORE&#160;PATCHES ACCEPTED,&#160;COMMIT&#160;IN&#160;SVN&#160;INSTEAD&quot;
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+2) why isn't this commited in <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/</A>
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+calendar - I get this error:
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+Unable to send item to calendar 'Robert Fox'. No such interface
+`org.gnome.evolution.dataserver.Calendar' on object at
+path /org/gnome/evolution/dataserv
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+&gt;<i> On 17 October 2011 08:10, Mageia Team&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tmb&lt;tmb&gt; 0.1.292-2.1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 155639
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - fix for mga #933 must filter on subvendor/subdevice in order to fix mga #1525
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't want to be rude but:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) what did you not understand in:
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;NO MORE PATCHES ACCEPTED, COMMIT IN SVN INSTEAD&quot;
+</I>
+As the next line stated:
++# (tmb) fix for #933 caused #1525, this is to test the fix, if it
+works, merge in svn
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) why isn't this commited in <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/</A>
+</I>
+It will be as soon as the fix is confirmed to work.
+
+I think rolling a new tarball in order to test a fix is overkill.
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+Thomas
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+&gt;<i> Well, if there are no other proposals or no patch for this proposal till
+</I>&gt;<i> next weekend,
+</I>&gt;<i> i'll drop the change to msec default settings to not send email by default
+</I>&gt;<i> and will issue the update as is.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Seems to me noone is interested in msec anymore.
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+&gt;<i> On Monday 17 October 2011 01:04, Pascal Terjan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The &quot;Oops&quot; line is not useful to someone reading the changelog.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It just means that you used two commits to &quot;Update patches&quot; instead of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> one, that does not need to appear in changelog so should be SILENCEd.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So if I comit a silent &quot;oops patch&quot; as the only reason and update release version as a result, won't someone starts complain that I didn't provide a reason for the commit?
+</I>&gt;<i> (I often see this on the cooker list)
+</I>You're confusing svn changelog and package changelog. An svn comment
+message with a 'SILENT' prefix will only hide changes in package changelog.
+--
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+<PRE>Guillaume Rousse skrev 17.10.2011 10:34:
+&gt;<i> Le 17/10/2011 02:36, Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Monday 17 October 2011 01:04, Pascal Terjan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The &quot;Oops&quot; line is not useful to someone reading the changelog.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It just means that you used two commits to &quot;Update patches&quot; instead of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> one, that does not need to appear in changelog so should be SILENCEd.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So if I comit a silent &quot;oops patch&quot; as the only reason and update release version as a result, won't someone starts complain that I didn't provide a reason for the commit?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (I often see this on the cooker list)
+</I>&gt;<i> You're confusing svn changelog and package changelog. An svn comment
+</I>&gt;<i> message with a 'SILENT' prefix will only hide changes in package changelog.
+</I>
+Well, if it's the only change between two releases (assuming the build
+succeeded with the &quot;broken patch&quot;) then the commit to fix the patch
+should _not_ be SILENT.
+
+--
+Thomas
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+<PRE>On 17 October 2011 09:12, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> I don't want to be rude but:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1) what did you not understand in:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &quot;NO MORE PATCHES ACCEPTED, COMMIT IN SVN INSTEAD&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As the next line stated:
+</I>&gt;<i> +# (tmb) fix for #933 caused #1525, this is to test the fix, if it works,
+</I>&gt;<i> merge in svn
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2) why isn't this commited in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It will be as soon as the fix is confirmed to work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think rolling a new tarball in order to test a fix is overkill.
+</I>
+Then I think it's better (&amp; faster) to ask the users to alter
+this file on their system and report if its works or not
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+ <B>Joaquin Mandriva</B>
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+<PRE>This package is in:
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+<A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/SRPMS/faac-1.28-1bdk.mga1.src.rpm">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/SRPMS/faac-1.28-1bdk.mga1.src.rpm</A>
+
+You can find a list with this package and much more in:
+<A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt</A>
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+Regards.
+
+2011/10/17 Philippe DIDIER &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">philippedidier at laposte.net</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> andre999 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Philippe DIDIER a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Philippe DIDIER a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Joaquin Mandriva a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; My name is Joaquin, belonging to <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/">http://blogdrake.net/</A>&gt; team. I am
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; writing to you because I would like to let you know that we have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; created a repository with a big amount of good programs for Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Our final target is to upload all of them to the official Mageia's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; repositories.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We are currently uploading all these packages to the Mageia's BS step
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; by step, because there are few people of us to do so. Also, also we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; don't have too much time because we also take care of Blogdrake,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Mageia's news and the translations English to Spanish.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Meanwhile, you can use and enjoy our repository in this way:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The x86_64 repository is not finished yet, but you still can add it in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; this way:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Hello
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks to you...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Just one thing to correct : your repos addresses are :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; nevertheless I could surf through your repos :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Some of the rpms you propose reply to rpm requests already done or that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; I was going to write (reading my thoughts ?)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; First thing I must say : it's a very good idea to upload these packages
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; to the BS and join the packagers team instead of providing third party
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; repos that will soon create compatibility problems (as in the past for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Mandrake and Mandriva with Thac's or MIB or others)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; The second thing is : before uploading them you will have to be careful
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; with the repos policy (core tainted non-free)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; In your own repo, there is a problematic package : faac (and libfaac0
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; libfaac-devel) which is both non-free and tainted ...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; After long dicussions on the mailing list a meeting decision was not to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; provide it at the moment (nor the packages built with it...)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; If a non-free-&amp;-tainted repo is created for Mageia2, in the future, it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; will be then allowed ... wait and see !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I was thinking about a workaround to the problem of &quot;non-free_&amp;_tainted&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; rpms in Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Some multimedia programs can't correctly handle files containing aac
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; sound (*.aac *.mp4 *.m4a) because faac and faac-devel are not provided.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; And that's really missing !!!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; They can't and won't be backported to Mageia1 official repos...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Perhaps a new &quot;non-free&amp; tainted&quot; repo will exist for Mageia2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Actually for Mageia1 Blogdrake might provide a third repo for this dozen
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; of srpms (even if the existence of third repo is not riskless)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Picking their last spec file from Mageia, and modifying the plf or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; tainted conditionnal building options to allow building with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; faac-devel... wouldn't be too much difficult and wouldn't bring much
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; compatibility problems
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; If the version number is the same as in mageia repos, a &quot;twisted&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; distsuffix would allow to &quot;update&quot; to them from core or tainted version
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (the same way as &quot;tainted&quot; distsuffix allows to update from a core
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; release)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; and wouldn't prevent to update to a core or tainted new version later if
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; provided in official updates repo
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; But... there's the :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; would it add other problems to this ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; But too there wouldn't exist QA for them
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; What do you think (on Mageia side and on Blogdrake side) ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; A personal POV from the Mageia side --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It could be a good way to evaluate the need for a Nonfree+Tainted repo,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; as well as providing a ready source for those interested in such
+</I>&gt;<i> packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe another approach could be to try to separate nonfree and tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; parts, so that either
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - nonfree packages could optionally use &quot;tainted&quot; packages if installed,
+</I>&gt;<i> or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - &quot;tainted&quot; packages could optionally use nonfree packages if installed,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; each in their respective current repos.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Which won't work if a particular component is necessarily both nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and &quot;tainted&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> That's the problem : we have already tainted packages ... they have been
+</I>&gt;<i> built without faac-devel and don't require faac which is both tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> and non-free :-(
+</I>&gt;<i> If they are built with faac the binaries become non-free (not LGPL) and
+</I>&gt;<i> stay tainted ... (they can't be splitted in parts)
+</I>&gt;<i> it's true for avidemux, mencoder, handbrake, audiokonverter, and some
+</I>&gt;<i> others (the list is in the bug report
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> it's an aporia !
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't want to argue again about the decision for the Mageia's repos !
+</I>&gt;<i> only need to find a way to get working binaries for my purpose... and I
+</I>&gt;<i> think I'm not alone to have to work with a quasi standard for multimedia
+</I>&gt;<i> files on internet.
+</I>&gt;<i> plf allowed that for Mandriva ...
+</I>&gt;<i> no third repo allows this for Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> If I'm alone, never mind, I know how to build my own (two lines to
+</I>&gt;<i> modify in a spec file and =&gt; rpmbuild -ba ... that's all folks! )
+</I>&gt;<i> If newcomers try Mageia and has to be taught how to build a rpm, they
+</I>&gt;<i> better will use debian or fedora or ubuntu or opensuse that have quasi
+</I>&gt;<i> official third repos for this problem...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; my 2 cents :-)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> my 2 &#955;&#949;&#960;&#964;&#949;&#962;
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+ <B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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+<PRE>Op maandag 10 oktober 2011 13:25:55 schreef Oliver Burger:
+&gt;<i> Am Montag, 10. Oktober 2011, 13:04:01 schrieb Guillaume Rousse:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 10/10/2011 11:55, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Rename drupal-7.x to drupal7 and name drupal-8.x drupal?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; This will lead to existing drupal installations being updated to the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 8.x branch which will likely break loads of things.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What's the problem if it is documented, and non-destructive ? Also, you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; can wait one or two release before changing default version.
+</I>[..]
+
+I would just like you to keep in mind that at work, we have a sort of
+generalized approach to using which drupal version:
+
+- for new projects, start using the next version, only when the one after it
+has been released.
+
+so, we still use drupal6, and will go to drupal7 when drupal8 is released, but
+ONLY for newer projects.
+
+keep in mind that when a new drupal version is released, the current modules
+_WILL_ be incompatible.
+
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> keep in mind that when a new drupal version is released, the current
+</I>&gt;<i> modules _WILL_ be incompatible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hell, afaik not all important modules have been converted for D7 yet...
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+I guess i want to say that upgrading sites in drupal versions will not work at
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+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I don't want to be rude but:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 1) what did you not understand in:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &quot;NO MORE PATCHES ACCEPTED, COMMIT IN SVN INSTEAD&quot;
+</I>I have almost the same question for drax-net : I have commited to SVN :
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx-">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx-</A>
+net/trunk/lib/network/connection/wireless.pm?view=log
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+shall I just build a new tarball,and push to core/updates_testing drakx-net ?
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+&gt;<i> I have almost the same question &#160;for drax-net : I have commited to SVN :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx-">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx-</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> net/trunk/lib/network/connection/wireless.pm?view=log
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> shall I just build a new tarball,and push to core/updates_testing drakx-net ?
+</I>
+On that one (changing default firmware for b43), I would has for blino's ack
+or thomas' one.
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+<PRE>Hi all,
+we have libfaac already packaged
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+<A HREF="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/</A>
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+It's a dependence of cinelerra
+
+Cheers
+
+2011/10/17 Joaquin Mandriva &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">joaquinmandriva at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> This package is in:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/SRPMS/faac-1.28-1bdk.mga1.src.rpm">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/SRPMS/faac-1.28-1bdk.mga1.src.rpm</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can find a list with this package and much more in:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011/10/17 Philippe DIDIER &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">philippedidier at laposte.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> andre999 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Philippe DIDIER a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Philippe DIDIER a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Joaquin Mandriva a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; My name is Joaquin, belonging to <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/">http://blogdrake.net/</A>&gt; team. I am
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; writing to you because I would like to let you know that we have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; created a repository with a big amount of good programs for Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Our final target is to upload all of them to the official Mageia's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; repositories.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We are currently uploading all these packages to the Mageia's BS step
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; by step, because there are few people of us to do so. Also, also we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; don't have too much time because we also take care of Blogdrake,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Mageia's news and the translations English to Spanish.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Meanwhile, you can use and enjoy our repository in this way:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The x86_64 repository is not finished yet, but you still can add it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; this way:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Cheers!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Hello
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks to you...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Just one thing to correct : your repos addresses are :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; nevertheless I could surf through your repos :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Some of the rpms you propose reply to rpm requests already done or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; I was going to write (reading my thoughts ?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; First thing I must say : it's a very good idea to upload these
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; to the BS and join the packagers team instead of providing third party
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; repos that will soon create compatibility problems (as in the past for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Mandrake and Mandriva with Thac's or MIB or others)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; The second thing is : before uploading them you will have to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> careful
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; with the repos policy (core tainted non-free)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; In your own repo, there is a problematic package : faac (and libfaac0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; libfaac-devel) which is both non-free and tainted ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; After long dicussions on the mailing list a meeting decision was not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; provide it at the moment (nor the packages built with it...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; If a non-free-&amp;-tainted repo is created for Mageia2, in the future, it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; will be then allowed ... wait and see !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I was thinking about a workaround to the problem of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;non-free_&amp;_tainted&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; rpms in Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Some multimedia programs can't correctly handle files containing aac
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; sound (*.aac *.mp4 *.m4a) because faac and faac-devel are not provided.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; And that's really missing !!!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; They can't and won't be backported to Mageia1 official repos...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Perhaps a new &quot;non-free&amp; tainted&quot; repo will exist for Mageia2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Actually for Mageia1 Blogdrake might provide a third repo for this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dozen
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; of srpms (even if the existence of third repo is not riskless)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Picking their last spec file from Mageia, and modifying the plf or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; tainted conditionnal building options to allow building with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; faac-devel... wouldn't be too much difficult and wouldn't bring much
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; compatibility problems
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; If the version number is the same as in mageia repos, a &quot;twisted&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; distsuffix would allow to &quot;update&quot; to them from core or tainted version
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (the same way as &quot;tainted&quot; distsuffix allows to update from a core
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; release)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; and wouldn't prevent to update to a core or tainted new version later
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; provided in official updates repo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; But... there's the :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; would it add other problems to this ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; But too there wouldn't exist QA for them
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; What do you think (on Mageia side and on Blogdrake side) ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; A personal POV from the Mageia side --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; It could be a good way to evaluate the need for a Nonfree+Tainted repo,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; as well as providing a ready source for those interested in such
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe another approach could be to try to separate nonfree and tainted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; parts, so that either
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; - nonfree packages could optionally use &quot;tainted&quot; packages if installed,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; - &quot;tainted&quot; packages could optionally use nonfree packages if installed,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; each in their respective current repos.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Which won't work if a particular component is necessarily both nonfree
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; and &quot;tainted&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's the problem : we have already tainted packages ... they have been
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> built without faac-devel and don't require faac which is both tainted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and non-free :-(
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If they are built with faac the binaries become non-free (not LGPL) and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> stay tainted ... (they can't be splitted in parts)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it's true for avidemux, mencoder, handbrake, audiokonverter, and some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> others (the list is in the bug report
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833</A>)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it's an aporia !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't want to argue again about the decision for the Mageia's repos !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> only need to find a way to get working binaries for my purpose... and I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> think I'm not alone to have to work with a quasi standard for multimedia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> files on internet.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> plf allowed that for Mandriva ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> no third repo allows this for Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If I'm alone, never mind, I know how to build my own (two lines to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> modify in a spec file and =&gt; rpmbuild -ba ... that's all folks! )
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If newcomers try Mageia and has to be taught how to build a rpm, they
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> better will use debian or fedora or ubuntu or opensuse that have quasi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> official third repos for this problem...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; my 2 cents :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> my 2 &#955;&#949;&#960;&#964;&#949;&#962;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
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+ <B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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+<PRE>Did anyone see this? this sounds very interesting imho...
+
+---------- Doorgestuurd bericht ----------
+
+Onderwerp: [Cooker] WANTED: the cyclic dependency Hell (aka Automated
+Bootstrapping)
+Datum: maandag 17 oktober 2011, 11:32:08
+Van: Franck Bui &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">franck.bui at mandriva.com</A>&gt;
+Aan: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maintainers at mandriva.com</A>, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at mandrivalinux.org</A>
+CC: Jeff Johnson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n3npq at mac.com</A>&gt;
+
+Hi Folks,
+
+,----[ Preface ]
+|<i> This is boring material simply because its main purpose is overall
+</I>|<i> quality improvement. But please keep on reading and contribute ! :)
+</I>`----
+
+,----[ Disclaimer ]
+|<i> I'm far from being an expert packager, actually it's quite the
+</I>|<i> opposite, so I'm probably saying a lot of obvious things, sorry again
+</I>|<i> for being boring.
+</I>`----
+
+Table of Contents
+=================
+1 Bootstrapping
+2 Cyclic dependencies
+ 2.1 Reasons
+3 &quot;Digraph&quot; tool
+ 3.1 Goals
+ 3.2 Examples
+4 &quot;Digraph&quot; application to Cooker main/release media
+ 4.1 First inconsistencies
+ 4.1.1 Example 1
+ 4.1.2 Example 2
+ 4.1.3 Example 3
+ 4.2 Get all of them
+ 4.3 Results
+5 Conclusion
+
+
+1 Bootstrapping
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+
+Bootstrapping cooker into a new architecture (or even into the same arch
+but with a new but incompatible ABI) is currently a pain and takes an
+insane amount of time (ask to pcpa for gory details :).
+
+First, what's a bootstrap ? It's the different steps/stages taken to
+rebuild all packages into a new ABI using a) some packages built for
+the old ABI (mostly the toolchain for cross compiling a very small set
+of programs to create a basic native rootfs) b) the package sources
+which are going to be build natively.
+
+Having an automated bootstrapping not only means less pain to switch to
+a new ABI but it also means that the distro is in a good shape since the
+bootstrap requires a consistent repository, no more cyclic dependence
+between packages, etc...
+
+Eventually having an automated bootstrapping means that the process is a
+repeatable and deterministic one. Since this process is pretty sensible
+to the coherency state of the distro, it could be run regularly to catch
+any new regressions.
+
+How are packages being built during the bootstrapping ?
+
+Let say that we want to build 'A' package. 'A' has a build-require on
+'B' which in its turn has a build-require on 'C': A -&gt; B -&gt; C
+
+To build/install 'A.rpm', we should:
+
+ - see if 'C.rpm' is already installed. If so then go to the next item
+ otherwise we have to build/install 'C.rpm' first (from C.src.rpm).
+
+ - Same as previous item but with 'B.rpm'.
+
+ - Finally build and install 'A.rpm'.
+
+Note: that both the build and the install steps have their own deps.
+
+You may think it's not that different from what's happening when you
+submit a package to the build-system. But it is simply because we start
+with an _empty_ rpm database. This means that when a build requirement
+is missing, rpm likely won't find the BR's binary package installed.
+Therefore the build-require will be considered for a build in its turn
+and so on.
+
+2 Cyclic dependencies
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+
+At this point you probably guess why the automated bootstrapping is
+currently not possible: the reason is: &quot;cyclic dependencies&quot;.
+
+How are they created ?
+
+2.1 Reasons
+============
+
+Here are the main reasons I could see:
+
+ 1/ Each package has build requirements specific to the generation of
+ the documentation that the package ships amongst the binaries.
+ Unfortunately tools used to generate documentation such as doxygen,
+ tex... are pretty 'high-level' tools and they require themself a
+ lot of other packages (having their own docs) to be built first.
+
+ 2/ Some packages provides a main functionality with light
+ requirements but also some additional/minor functionalities
+ (sometimes not use at all) with some strong requirements. Such
+ packages may be considered for being splitted. You can take a look
+ to libidn package for an example.
+
+ 3/ Some packages 'pull' a huge build dependency just for building a
+ useless module/example-code. For example, 'libalsa2' has a
+ buildrequires on python-devel simply in order to build a (useless)
+ python module example which won't be used at all.
+
+By far, the more problematic item is 1/. The reason is that it's
+currently not possible to disable easily the doc generation hence
+removing the associated requirements. Most of the packages are
+affected.
+
+Item 2/ and 3/ are less important IMO because they depend on
+packager's taste only. Moreover there should be many less packages
+following into these 2 categories.
+
+Therefore I think we should first focus on 1/. I'll try to come up
+with a simple/naive proposition in a next post mostly in order to
+initiate a reflexion on this subject.
+
+3 &quot;Digraph&quot; tool
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+
+Back to the cycle dependencies.
+
+As you know, all package relations can be represented by a directed
+graph. I wrote a basic tool which can be used to operate on directed
+graph: [<A HREF="https://github.com/fbuihuu/digraph">https://github.com/fbuihuu/digraph</A>].
+
+3.1 Goals
+==========
+
+The tool is in a very early stage and probably will stay as it is. But
+it can be used to:
+
+ - find all cycles in a graph.
+
+ - group each cycle into a single node making the resulting graph
+ (called condensation graph) acyclic.
+
+ - do a topological sort on an acyclic graph. This means that the tool
+ is able to tell you the order of the packages to be built.
+
+ - visualize graph with the help of graphviz.
+
+You simply need to describe the graph first in a text file. For an
+example, have a look to graph.txt, the syntax used is obvious.
+
+3.2 Examples
+=============
+
+This file gives an example of a graph description that can be visualized
+here:
+
+ [<A HREF="http://mes5devel.mandriva.com/~fbui/graph/graph1.pdf">http://mes5devel.mandriva.com/~fbui/graph/graph1.pdf</A>]
+
+Once your graph description is ready you can feed the tool with it:
+
+ $ ./digraph.py graph.txt
+ Connected components:
+ --------------------
+ * Group(c - 2): c, d
+ * Group(g - 2): g, f
+ * Group(y - 2): y, x
+ * Group(a - 3): a, b, e
+
+The tool by default shows you the cyclic groups (aka &quot;strongly connected
+components&quot;).
+
+If you want other information then you'll need to hack the current
+script but it's quite trivial to do so. See main() for a couple of
+examples.
+
+For example, you can create the condensation of the previous graph and
+ask it to plot it. Here's the result:
+
+ [<A HREF="http://mes5devel.mandriva.com/~fbui/graph/graph2.pdf">http://mes5devel.mandriva.com/~fbui/graph/graph2.pdf</A>]
+
+Or you can get a compact view to represent each group by a single
+node:
+
+ [<A HREF="http://mes5devel.mandriva.com/~fbui/graph/graph3.pdf">http://mes5devel.mandriva.com/~fbui/graph/graph3.pdf</A>]
+
+Eventually you can ask to the tool to do a topological sort of the
+nodes. Here's the result:
+
+ Topological order:
+ -----------------
+ h -&gt; j -&gt; Group(g - 2) -&gt; Group(c - 2) -&gt; Group(a - 3) -&gt; i -&gt; Group(y - 2)
+
+4 &quot;Digraph&quot; application to Cooker main/release media
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+
+As you probably guess, the purpose of this script is mainly for its
+application to the distro.
+
+The fist step is to generate a description of the packages relationship
+in cooker. The following script exactly do that:
+
+ [<A HREF="http://mes5devel.mandriva.com/~fbui/graph/dump-rpmdeps.py">http://mes5devel.mandriva.com/~fbui/graph/dump-rpmdeps.py</A>]
+
+How ? It simply parses a set of .rpm files, extracts some info such as
+the &quot;requires:&quot; and &quot;provides:&quot; tags and retrieve the src.rpm used to
+generate the .rpm. From the source package it extracts the
+&quot;buildrequires:&quot; tags. With those information, it dumps the dependencies
+into a description format used by &quot;digraph&quot; tool.
+
+BTW, if someone can figure out a faster method for achieving this, I'm
+listening :). It's currently slow mainly because it uses &quot;urpmq
+--sourcerpm &lt;rpm&gt;&quot; to extract the source package filename. If someone
+can figure out another mean with rpm(8) to do that...
+
+4.1 First inconsistencies
+==========================
+
+Running &quot;dump-rpmdeps.py&quot; script shows the first repository's
+inconsistencies. Following are some examples:
+
+4.1.1 Example 1
+----------------
+
+ Warning: source not found:
+/mnt/BIG/devel/cooker/SRPMS/main/release/ant-1.8.2-4.src.rpm (referenced by
+ant-commons-logging)
+
+In this case, the name of the source rpm is not exact since the file in
+the SRPMS directory that can be found is &quot;ant-1.8.2-4.1.src.rpm&quot;.
+
+4.1.2 Example 2
+----------------
+
+ Warning: unknown alias 'sepol-static-devel' used by 'libselinux'
+
+In this case 'libselinux' refers to 'sepol-static-devel' package which
+doesn't seem to exist, at least in the main/release media.
+
+4.1.3 Example 3
+----------------
+
+ Warning: unknown alias 'geronimo-jta-1.0.1B-api' used by 'jakarta-commons-
+transaction'
+
+'jakarta-commons-transaction' (in main/release) has a buildrquires on
+'geronimo-jta-1.0.1B-api', which is in contrib media.
+
+4.2 Get all of them
+====================
+
+For a full list of such inconsistencies, please see:
+
+ [<A HREF="http://mes5devel.mandriva.com/~fbui/graph/cooker-inconsistencies.log">http://mes5devel.mandriva.com/~fbui/graph/cooker-inconsistencies.log</A>]
+
+4.3 Results
+============
+
+This description can now be used it with &quot;digraph&quot; to see if there're
+some cycles and if so what they look like:
+
+ $ ./digraph.py cooker-i586-dependencies.txt
+ Connected components:
+ --------------------
+ * Group(asm2 - 2): asm2, objectweb-anttask
+ * Group(python-sphinx - 2): python-sphinx, python-nose
+ * Group(nant - 2): log4net, nant
+ * Group(gnome-js-common - 2): gnome-js-common, seed
+ * Group(vcdimager - 3): vcdimager, libcdio, libcddb
+ * Group(perl-Moose - 5): perl-Moose, perl-Test-Warn, perl-Array-Compare,
+perl-Package-DeprecationManager, perl-Package-Stash
+ * Group(ant - 461): flac, drakx-kbd-mouse-x11, xcb-util, gd, recode, gdbm,
+poppler, strigi, libxp, libsndfile, ...
+
+So &quot;only&quot; 7 cycles, BUT the last one involves 461 packages ! And the
+reason is mainly &quot;documentation generation&quot;.
+
+You can visualize those cycles, except the last one, by looking at the
+cyclic-*.pdf files at:
+
+ [<A HREF="http://mes5devel.mandriva.com/~fbui/graph/">http://mes5devel.mandriva.com/~fbui/graph/</A>]
+
+5 Conclusion
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+
+Please help to nuke this crazy dependency hell !
+
+The most important task IMHO is the need to find out how the
+documentation generation can be separated/disabled properly.
+
+Note that disabling generation of documentation is not only
+interesting for automated bootstrapping but also for architectures
+(such as ARM) which targets embedded devices with limited disk
+spaces.
+
+Also if the first inconsistencies found by the dumb tool are revelant,
+we want develop more sanity checkers and run them regularly to trap
+any new regressions introduced later.
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+<PRE>On Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:21:22 Jos&#233; Jorge wrote:
+&gt;<i> hi, I am willing to get AdHoc WiFi working automaticaly on Mageia 1. For
+</I>&gt;<i> now, with drakxtools :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - OK : connect to an existing AdHoc network
+</I>&gt;<i> - BAD : no IP address is assigned if no dhcp daemon is found.
+</I>
+I believe if you have zcip installed, it should get an IP address assigned,
+however:
+
+&gt;<i> - CORRECTION : launch &quot;avahi-autoipd ethX&quot;
+</I>
+I think we should be using avahi-autipd instead of zcip.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So it does not work without CLI. So questions to have this working at least
+</I>&gt;<i> on MGA2:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Should this be done on drakxtools or network-manager ?
+</I>
+initscripts. See line 380 of /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-eth
+
+&gt;<i> 2. Does anyone with drakxtools knowledge think it can be patched it to do
+</I>&gt;<i> that?
+</I>
+Sure, the script above could have zcip replaced with avahi-autoipd. However,
+the man page for avahi-autoipd points one at this wiki page:
+<A HREF="http://avahi.org/wiki/AvahiAutoipd">http://avahi.org/wiki/AvahiAutoipd</A>
+
+which recommends using the DHCP plugin instead. Maybe you could experiment,
+and see exactly what is necessary (sorry, all my wifi networks have DHCP
+servers).
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+Regards,
+Buchan
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+<PRE>Joaquin Mandriva a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> This package is in:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/SRPMS/faac-1.28-1bdk.mga1.src.rpm">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/SRPMS/faac-1.28-1bdk.mga1.src.rpm</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can find a list with this package and much more in:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes, I now your repo since I read your first post on september 30th
+
+we talked, then,
+
+- about the fact that it was better to propose a build of your rpms in
+the Mageia BuildSystem for official repos if they are missing...
+I saw you began to import them ... thank you for that !
+
+- and about the fact that some of your packages must not be built inside
+Mageia because of a strict policy about what can be in tainted, what can
+be in non-free and what must stay outside...
+
+
+What I'm talking now is only about this ugly package (FAAC) - spell it
+correctly :) - both non-totally-GPL (so non-free) and tainted : it
+can't be in non-free repo because tainted, and not in tainted because
+non-free !
+
+and so talking about :
+
+A) &quot;uglily&quot; built binaries using faac that you propose and which already
+exist, &quot;honestly&quot; built, (without faac) in Mageia1 or Cauldron :
+
+1) audiokonverter as provided by your repo needs faac (it is not the
+same thing in Mageia's repo)
+2) transcode as provided by your repo seems to need faac too (it is not
+the same thing in Mageia's repos)
+
+
+B) packages that you might provide with a special building using faac :
+
+1) mplayer (so that mencoder may work on aac, m4a and mp4 files)
+2) vlc (to be able to work on aac, m4a and mp4 files)
+3) avidemux (to be able to work on aac, m4a and mp4 files)
+3) libquicktime (to provide a libquicktime-faac rpm)
+4) mythtv ( to be able to work on aac, m4a and mp4 files)
+5) gstreamer-plugin-bad (for the same reason)
+
+
+C) your packages that may not be imported in Mageia exactly the same way
+you built them, and will need to coexist with Mageia's ones when they exist:
+
+1) cinelerra (built with BuildRequire faac)
+2) handbrake (its source provides a &quot;bundled&quot; faac source and itis built
+with this BuilRequire in your repo)
+
+
+and finally to find a way to have a coherency for version number and
+suffixes to allow &quot;updates&quot; from Mageia's to yours
+... if you are OK to become a kind of PLF repo for Mageia for this
+insoluble problem
+
+I hope it is clearer (but longer !)
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+<PRE>Jos&#233; Jorge &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> Le lundi 17 octobre 2011 10:29:33, Thierry Vignaud a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I don't want to be rude but:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 1) what did you not understand in:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &quot;NO MORE PATCHES ACCEPTED, COMMIT IN SVN INSTEAD&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> I have almost the same question for drax-net : I have commited to SVN :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx-">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx-</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> net/trunk/lib/network/connection/wireless.pm?view=log
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> shall I just build a new tarball,and push to core/updates_testing drakx-net ?
+</I>
+I don't think your change is going to work, it would be trying to
+install a b43-firmware package if the firmware file does not exist.
+You probably have to add this in the firmware hash :
+ package =&gt; &quot;b43-openfwwf&quot;,
+
+(see the small doc in the network/thirdparty.pm header)
+
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+Olivier Blin - blino
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+<PRE>On 16/10/2011 22:33, Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sunday, October 16, 2011 04:05:52 am Giuseppe Ghib&#242; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 26/09/2011 17:34, Anssi Hannula wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 26.09.2011 15:47, nicolas vigier wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011, Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But are you sure about texlive providing it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know. It looks like it's not in the texlive package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My impression (from a few years back I think) is that standalone
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> texi2html is the texlive-era replacement for tetex-texi2html.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's not like this. The misalignment in having multiple versions comes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from having different source of packages. tetex had it's own texi2html
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (so I guess texlive), which is certified and well QA and integrated with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that tetex version, so it provides &quot;texi2html&quot;. At a certain point newer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> versions of texi2html were placed in contrib because they were newer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (there were also other packages in this situation, xdvi, prosper, etc.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and because of not touching the main tetex package. To handle this kind
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of misalignment a good way to proceed would be to go in the main package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> providing it (i.e. tetex/texlive) and try to merge the newer texi2html
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with the new one, then redoing the tests. This often doesn't happen
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> because it takes a lot of amount of time, and require to handle with the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> main and bigger package (texlive/tetex), and people often don't do this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if they are doing &quot;snack packaging&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The other way, which is to transform everything as &quot;pluggable&quot; (e.g.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> split packages at source, so for instance not having tetex providing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> texi2html) IMHO doesn't provide the same amount of certification,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> because the packager (packager not necessarely means the maintainer)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just upgrade the version number, without taking care of re-testing, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in case he doesn't know in deep about that package what he does as side
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> effect is to give away the upstream tetex/texlive certification
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (certification that the included, so older, texi2html package works well
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and has no flaws with the rest of the tetex/texlive distro) in favour of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a newer version (hoping that if something goes wrong or of some bug some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> end-user would file a bug on bugzilla...).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Bye.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> G.
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for the explanation.
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems you are pretty versed in texlive. Would you mind to look as why
+</I>&gt;<i> muscore doesn't build anymore with the current texlive:
+</I>&gt;<i> Font metrics written on mscore1-20.tfm.
+</I>&gt;<i> Output written on mscore1-20.600gf (18 characters, 7172 bytes).
+</I>&gt;<i> Transcript written on mscore1-20.log.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is MetaPost, version 1.504 (kpathsea version 6.0.1)
+</I>&gt;<i> (../mf2pt1.mp (/usr/share/texmf-dist/metapost/base/mfplain.mp
+</I>&gt;<i> Preloading the plain base, version 0.99: preliminaries,
+</I>&gt;<i> basic constants and mathematical macros,
+</I>&gt;<i> macros for converting units,
+</I>&gt;<i> macros and tables for various modes of operation,
+</I>&gt;<i> macros for drawing and filling,
+</I>&gt;<i> macros for proof labels and rules,
+</I>&gt;<i> macros for character and font administration,
+</I>&gt;<i> and a few last-minute items.))
+</I>&gt;<i> Transcript written on mf2pt1.log.
+</I>&gt;<i> Invoking &quot;mpost -mem=mf2pt1 -progname=mpost '\mode:=localfont; mag:=100;
+</I>&gt;<i> bpppix 0.02; input feta20.mf'&quot;...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry, I can't find the 'mf2pt1' preload file; will try 'plain'.This is
+</I>&gt;<i> MetaPost, version 1.504 (kpathsea version 6.0.1)
+</I>&gt;<i> (plain.mp
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It lloks as if mf2pt1 is missing, The script is available on it's own, put old
+</I>&gt;<i> texlive and tetex didn't show this problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I've not an installation with the package you are talking about handy to
+check myself, but you may try to add the following line to the file
+`kpsewhich fmtutil.cnf` (backtick included):
+
+mpost mf2pt1 -
+-translate-file=cp227.tcx mf2pt1.mp
+
+(of course the file mf2pt1.mp should be provided somewhere [it's in
+CTAN:tex-archive/support/*mf2pt1*]), and then recreate the missed file
+with: fmtutil --missing (or --all).
+
+Bye
+Giuseppe.
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+ <B>nicolas vigier</B>
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+<PRE>On Sun, 16 Oct 2011, Florian Hubold wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Well, if there are no other proposals or no patch for this proposal till
+</I>&gt;<i> next weekend,
+</I>&gt;<i> i'll drop the change to msec default settings to not send email by default
+</I>&gt;<i> and will issue the update as is.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Seems to me noone is interested in msec anymore.
+</I>
+I think that :
+ - changing the default configuration in an update is wrong. If it's
+ better that msec do not send emails by default, I think this change
+ should be done in cauldron only, maybe with some note about this change
+ in the release notes for Mageia 2.
+ - adding a require or suggest on dma is wrong, especially in an update
+
+Installing dma with the update will silently replace /usr/sbin/sendmail
+to use dma instead of the previously installed mta, potentially breaking
+email for all programs using the sendmail command.
+
+If msec needs the sendmail command to send its email, it should require
+sendmail-command, not dma or any other mta in particular, so that the
+user can decide what he wants to use to send his emails.
+And if we want the users to have a working mta by default, it's the job
+of the installer to do it, not the msec package.
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+Already done, and it was decided that for now, Mageia does not provide
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+&gt;<i> Revision 155802 Author zezinho Date 2011-10-17 17:15:10 +0200 (Mon, 17 Oct
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011)
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+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
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+</I>&gt;<i> Update to fix crash #1816
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+</I>&gt;<i> Added Paths
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+<PRE>Le lundi 17 octobre 2011 16:39:14 nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+[...]
+&gt;<i> I think that :
+</I>&gt;<i> - changing the default configuration in an update is wrong. If it's
+</I>&gt;<i> better that msec do not send emails by default, I think this change
+</I>&gt;<i> should be done in cauldron only, maybe with some note about this change
+</I>&gt;<i> in the release notes for Mageia 2.
+</I>Agree.
+
+&gt;<i> - adding a require or suggest on dma is wrong, especially in an update
+</I>&gt;<i> Installing dma with the update will silently replace /usr/sbin/sendmail
+</I>&gt;<i> to use dma instead of the previously installed mta, potentially breaking
+</I>&gt;<i> email for all programs using the sendmail command.
+</I>Hum, if i'm not wrong dma has the lower priority (5) in the alternatives for
+sendmail-command so it should not replace the default mta :
+postfix has 30 , sendmail has 10.
+
+
+&gt;<i> If msec needs the sendmail command to send its email, it should require
+</I>&gt;<i> sendmail-command, not dma or any other mta in particular, so that the
+</I>&gt;<i> user can decide what he wants to use to send his emails.
+</I>Currently the default sendmail-command package is postfix which is probably too
+much for msec.
+[...]
+
+Regards,
+--
+Balcaen John
+Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+&gt;<i> zezinho &lt;zezinho&gt; 5.1-1.mga2:
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+&gt;<i> zezinho &lt;zezinho&gt; 5.0-7.1.mga1:
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+&gt;<i> Jos&#233; Jorge &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; shall I just build a new tarball,and push to core/updates_testing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; drakx-net ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think your change is going to work, it would be trying to
+</I>&gt;<i> install a b43-firmware package if the firmware file does not exist.
+</I>&gt;<i> You probably have to add this in the firmware hash :
+</I>&gt;<i> package =&gt; &quot;b43-openfwwf&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You are right. I could just test now with b43-openfwwf in updates_testing, and
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; updates/1/tftp/tftp/
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+</I>&gt;<i> Oopsie, I think you forgot to remove old dir before copying.
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+I'm not sure : in the SVN, everything seems clean to me?
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; drakx-net ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think your change is going to work, it would be trying to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> install a b43-firmware package if the firmware file does not exist.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You probably have to add this in the firmware hash :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package =&gt; &quot;b43-openfwwf&quot;,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You are right. I could just test now with b43-openfwwf in updates_testing, and
+</I>&gt;<i> added this line. It is commited in SVN, now should I submit an update of
+</I>&gt;<i> drakx-net to 1?
+</I>
+Looks good to me :)
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oopsie, I think you forgot to remove old dir before copying.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not sure : in the SVN, everything seems clean to me?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+There's extra dir in updates/1/tftp called tftp, which holds copy of
+tftp package structure from cauldron tree. See:
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+&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think your change is going to work, it would be trying to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> install a b43-firmware package if the firmware file does not exist.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You probably have to add this in the firmware hash :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; package =&gt; &quot;b43-openfwwf&quot;,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You are right. I could just test now with b43-openfwwf in updates_testing, and
+</I>&gt;<i> added this line. It is commited in SVN, now should I submit an update of
+</I>&gt;<i> drakx-net to 1?
+</I>
+You should:
+1) describe your changes first in NEWS prior to releasing
+2) bump the version number in Makefile &amp; NEWS
+3) run make dist to get the tarball
+4) use the NEWS entry for the package changelog
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+&gt;<i> On 18 October 2011 00:29, zezinho&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lists.jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think your change is going to work, it would be trying to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> install a b43-firmware package if the firmware file does not exist.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You probably have to add this in the firmware hash :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> package =&gt; &quot;b43-openfwwf&quot;,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You are right. I could just test now with b43-openfwwf in updates_testing, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> added this line. It is commited in SVN, now should I submit an update of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> drakx-net to 1?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You should:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) describe your changes first in NEWS prior to releasing
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) bump the version number in Makefile&amp; NEWS
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) run make dist to get the tarball
+</I>&gt;<i> 4) use the NEWS entry for the package changelog
+</I>
+And if you intend to push it to Mageia 1, you need to use that branch:
+
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx-net/branches/1/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx-net/branches/1/</A>
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+&gt;<i> There's extra dir in updates/1/tftp called tftp, which holds copy of
+</I>&gt;<i> tftp package structure from cauldron tree. See:
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+<PRE>Le mardi 18 octobre 2011 07:58:35, Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Thierry Vignaud skrev 18.10.2011 08:55:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You should:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1) describe your changes first in NEWS prior to releasing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2) bump the version number in Makefile&amp; NEWS
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 3) run make dist to get the tarball
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 4) use the NEWS entry for the package changelog
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And if you intend to push it to Mageia 1, you need to use that branch:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx-net/branches/1/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx-net/branches/1/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+I've done it, please check I didn't any mistake.
+
+Cauldron with version 0.99
+Mageia 1 with version 0.97.1
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+fallback if needed in case of regressions....
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+They seem to work ok here, but you never know...
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+So for those brave of you, please test them out...
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+If no (big/real) issues are found with them I'll push them to
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have updated glibc &amp; locales-* from 2.12.1 to 2.14.1 and I'll push
+</I>&gt;<i> them to core/updates_testing so people can test it out but have a
+</I>&gt;<i> fallback if needed in case of regressions....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> They seem to work ok here, but you never know...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So for those brave of you, please test them out...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If no (big/real) issues are found with them I'll push them to core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> by the end of this week.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Have fun :)
+</I>
+What a great news.
+Thanks a lot.
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+&gt;<i> Le mardi 18 octobre 2011 07:58:35, Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thierry Vignaud skrev 18.10.2011 08:55:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You should:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1) describe your changes first in NEWS prior to releasing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2) bump the version number in Makefile&amp; NEWS
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 3) run make dist to get the tarball
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 4) use the NEWS entry for the package changelog
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And if you intend to push it to Mageia 1, you need to use that branch:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx-net/branches/1/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx-net/branches/1/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've done it, please check I didn't any mistake.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I dont see any changes in the above branch, only in trunk!
+
+&gt;<i> Cauldron with version 0.99
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia 1 with version 0.97.1
+</I>
+And I have one concern...
+
+have you checked that b43 supports _all_ the hw that wl supports ?
+(I haven't checked it)
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+If not, this change will cause a regression for those that would need wl.
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+</I>&gt;<i> They seem to work ok here, but you never know...
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+</I>&gt;<i> So for those brave of you, please test them out...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If no (big/real) issues are found with them I'll push them to core/release
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+</I>
+Great :-)
+One thing less off TODO&#160;list...
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+&gt;&gt;<i> I have updated glibc &amp; locales-* from 2.12.1 to 2.14.1 and I'll push
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> them to core/updates_testing so people can test it out but have a
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> They seem to work ok here, but you never know...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So for those brave of you, please test them out...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If no (big/real) issues are found with them I'll push them to core/release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> by the end of this week.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Great :-)
+</I>&gt;<i> One thing less off TODO&#160;list...
+</I>
+BTW how come there was no upload email?
+How did you upload them? Manually?
+Or do we have an issue on the BS?
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+&gt;<i> On 18 October 2011 19:38, Thierry Vignaud&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I have updated glibc&amp; locales-* from 2.12.1 to 2.14.1 and I'll push
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> them to core/updates_testing so people can test it out but have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fallback if needed in case of regressions....
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> They seem to work ok here, but you never know...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So for those brave of you, please test them out...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If no (big/real) issues are found with them I'll push them to core/release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> by the end of this week.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Great :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> One thing less off TODO list...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW how come there was no upload email?
+</I>&gt;<i> How did you upload them? Manually?
+</I>&gt;<i> Or do we have an issue on the BS?
+</I>
+Because I submitted it to BS when I posted the mail, and it only just
+finished :)
+
+But there is now a changelog mail for glibc.
+
+locales just submitted to bs.
+
+--
+Thomas
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+<PRE>Le mardi 18 octobre 2011 19:30:42, Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I dont see any changes in the above branch, only in trunk!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You are right, I forgot the svn commit. Done.
+
+&gt;<i> And I have one concern...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> have you checked that b43 supports _all_ the hw that wl supports ?
+</I>&gt;<i> (I haven't checked it)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If not, this change will cause a regression for those that would need wl.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Are you talking about wl closed source module driver? It does not use this
+firmware files, and do not match all the hardware b43 matches (I happen to have
+also one card that uses it, thanks to dkms-broadcom-wl )
+
+Or you talk about b43 hardware for which openfwwf firmware will not work?
+According to this pages all working b43 hardware accepts this firmware, except
+some PCMCIA which were worked on.
+
+<A HREF="http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#Supported_devices">http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#Supported_devices</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.ing.unibs.it/~openfwwf/">http://www.ing.unibs.it/~openfwwf/</A>
+
+I don't know if we can do better :
+1- try open source firmware
+2- ask for windows driver if 1 did not work?
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, 16 Oct 2011, andre999 wrote:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A personal POV from the Mageia side --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It could be a good way to evaluate the need for a Nonfree+Tainted repo, as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> well as providing a ready source for those interested in such packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Already done, and it was decided that for now, Mageia does not provide
+</I>&gt;<i> nonfree tainted packages :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-09-21-19.07.log.html#l-150">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-09-21-19.07.log.html#l-150</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+As you suggested and was accepted at the meeting, but to be reviewed for
+Mageia 2 -- I was thinking of evaluating for the longer term.
+In any case, whatever is decided is fine by me :)
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+&gt;<i> Le mardi 18 octobre 2011 19:30:42, Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I dont see any changes in the above branch, only in trunk!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You are right, I forgot the svn commit. Done.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And I have one concern...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have you checked that b43 supports _all_ the hw that wl supports ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (I haven't checked it)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If not, this change will cause a regression for those that would need wl.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Are you talking about wl closed source module driver? It does not use this
+</I>&gt;<i> firmware files, and do not match all the hardware b43 matches (I happen to have
+</I>&gt;<i> also one card that uses it, thanks to dkms-broadcom-wl )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Or you talk about b43 hardware for which openfwwf firmware will not work?
+</I>&gt;<i> According to this pages all working b43 hardware accepts this firmware, except
+</I>&gt;<i> some PCMCIA which were worked on.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I'm talking about this:
+<A HREF="http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#Support">http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#Support</A>
+
+There are several ids that are listed as supported by wl,
+but their b43 counterpart states either &quot;untested&quot;, &quot;partially in
+2.6.39+&quot; and so on...
+
+And since Mageia 1 ships 2.6.38, it means switching driver in drakx
+can/will break something that worked in the release tests.
+
+Providing the openfwwf rpms for Mageia 1 is safe, and adding errata info
+how to use them is also...
+but changing drakx-net is not regression-free,
+so I'm not convinced we should do it.
+
+As for doing it in Cauldron, its ok both from kernel side and from
+testing standpoint...
+
+Maybe others have other opinion.
+
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#Supported_devices">http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#Supported_devices</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.ing.unibs.it/~openfwwf/">http://www.ing.unibs.it/~openfwwf/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know if we can do better :
+</I>&gt;<i> 1- try open source firmware
+</I>&gt;<i> 2- ask for windows driver if 1 did not work?
+</I>
+That would be nice, but I'm not sure it's worth rewriting parts of the
+installer for a already released product.
+
+For cauldron that could be an option.
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+&gt;<i> Le lundi 17 octobre 2011 16:39:14 nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think that :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - changing the default configuration in an update is wrong. If it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> better that msec do not send emails by default, I think this change
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should be done in cauldron only, maybe with some note about this change
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in the release notes for Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Agree.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+A question : wouldn't changing the default in _both_ cauldron and an
+update to mga1 be acceptable ?
+Since I really think that sending messages silently to dead.letter,
+gradually filling up the disk is a bug. (When I first discovered the
+problem on my system a few years ago, dead.letter used about 1G of disk
+space.)
+That is what happens with the default setting, if an MTA is not installed.
+At the default settings with an MTA installed, the root mailbox
+gradually fills up the disk, if it is not emptied. And a less informed
+user is unlikely to realise this.
+
+So it seems to me that as a minimum, the default should be changed to
+_not_ send alert emails. Since the status is visible on the main msec
+screen, informed users should have no problem appropriately adjusting
+the setting.
+
+To deal with the potential problem of users who use the email alert
+feature having it deactivated by the update, we only need a warning in
+the update, as often occurs for other packages.
+Something like &quot;If you use the msec alert emails, please verify that the
+alerts are still active.&quot; Note that if the user has ever explicitly set
+alerts, they would be still active.
+This potential problem would exist even if the next update for the user
+is mga2.
+However, if the update is on mga2 (from changes in cauldron), wouldn't
+the change in defaults be less visible ?
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> - adding a require or suggest on dma is wrong, especially in an update
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Installing dma with the update will silently replace /usr/sbin/sendmail
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to use dma instead of the previously installed mta, potentially breaking
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> email for all programs using the sendmail command.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hum, if i'm not wrong dma has the lower priority (5) in the alternatives for
+</I>&gt;<i> sendmail-command so it should not replace the default mta :
+</I>&gt;<i> postfix has 30 , sendmail has 10.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>According to documentation, dma is only active if no other MTA is installed.
+(I don't know if the priority is what causes this.)
+So at worst dma would be a (very small) harmless extra install, at best
+it would ensure the ability for local delivery.
+[...]
+&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Regards :)
+
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+Andr&#233;
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+&gt;<i> Balcaen John a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le lundi 17 octobre 2011 16:39:14 nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think that :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - changing the default configuration in an update is wrong. If it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> better that msec do not send emails by default, I think this change
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> should be done in cauldron only, maybe with some note about this change
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in the release notes for Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Agree.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A question : wouldn't changing the default in _both_ cauldron and an update
+</I>&gt;<i> to mga1 be acceptable ?
+</I>
+I think stable updates should not change defaults.
+
+&gt;<i> Since I really think that sending messages silently to dead.letter,
+</I>&gt;<i> gradually filling up the disk is a bug. (When I first discovered the
+</I>&gt;<i> problem on my system a few years ago, dead.letter used about 1G of disk
+</I>&gt;<i> space.)
+</I>&gt;<i> That is what happens with the default setting, if an MTA is not installed.
+</I>&gt;<i> At the default settings with an MTA installed, the root mailbox gradually
+</I>&gt;<i> fills up the disk, if it is not emptied. And a less informed user is
+</I>&gt;<i> unlikely to realise this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So it seems to me that as a minimum, the default should be changed to _not_
+</I>&gt;<i> send alert emails. Since the status is visible on the main msec screen,
+</I>&gt;<i> informed users should have no problem appropriately adjusting the setting.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To deal with the potential problem of users who use the email alert feature
+</I>&gt;<i> having it deactivated by the update, we only need a warning in the update,
+</I>&gt;<i> as often occurs for other packages.
+</I>
+Updates should not require manual changes. And not everybody read the
+update logs from urpmi. People can expect important changes when upgrading
+to a new version of the distribution, and that's why there is release
+notes to explain the important changes, but not for stable updates.
+
+&gt;<i> Something like &quot;If you use the msec alert emails, please verify that the
+</I>&gt;<i> alerts are still active.&quot; Note that if the user has ever explicitly set
+</I>&gt;<i> alerts, they would be still active.
+</I>&gt;<i> This potential problem would exist even if the next update for the user is
+</I>&gt;<i> mga2.
+</I>&gt;<i> However, if the update is on mga2 (from changes in cauldron), wouldn't the
+</I>&gt;<i> change in defaults be less visible ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - adding a require or suggest on dma is wrong, especially in an update
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Installing dma with the update will silently replace /usr/sbin/sendmail
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to use dma instead of the previously installed mta, potentially breaking
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> email for all programs using the sendmail command.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hum, if i'm not wrong dma has the lower priority (5) in the alternatives for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sendmail-command so it should not replace the default mta :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> postfix has 30 , sendmail has 10.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> According to documentation, dma is only active if no other MTA is installed.
+</I>&gt;<i> (I don't know if the priority is what causes this.)
+</I>&gt;<i> So at worst dma would be a (very small) harmless extra install, at best it
+</I>&gt;<i> would ensure the ability for local delivery.
+</I>
+Then dma could be installed by default on mageia 2, this would fix the
+problem for all programs using the sendmail command, not only msec,
+without adding a require on dma.
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+in the Usenet newsgroup gmane.linux.mageia.devel
+Samuel Verschelde wrote:
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+[snip]
+&gt;<i> They weren't required according to urpmq --requires-recursive, but there's a
+</I>&gt;<i> limitation in urpmq --requires-recursive when there are alternatives : if
+</I>&gt;<i> package A requires B or C, then urpmq won't list the dependencies of B and C
+</I>&gt;<i> recursively. Some call that a bug, I prefer to call that a &quot;how the hell could
+</I>&gt;<i> we do differently?&quot; feature :)
+</I>
+There could be an interactive option and ask questions like
+urpmi does.
+
+There could be an, &quot;accept first choice&quot; option.
+
+There could be a list of selections passed as a command
+line option.
+
+There could be an option to include all possible choices
+(and label the resulting list as possibly excessive).
+
+Continue with current behaviour and label the result as
+incomplete when this happens, maybe listing the un-made
+choices.
+
+&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
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+Out of surprise, Oracle released a 4.0.14 update for old 4.0 series of
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+Will it be packed as a core update for Mageia 1? We don't have any
+virtualbox in Mageia 1's updates or backports.
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+<PRE>nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 18 Oct 2011, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Balcaen John a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le lundi 17 octobre 2011 16:39:14 nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think that :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - changing the default configuration in an update is wrong. If it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> better that msec do not send emails by default, I think this change
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> should be done in cauldron only, maybe with some note about this change
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in the release notes for Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Agree.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A question : wouldn't changing the default in _both_ cauldron and an update
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to mga1 be acceptable ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think stable updates should not change defaults.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Since I really think that sending messages silently to dead.letter,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gradually filling up the disk is a bug. (When I first discovered the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> problem on my system a few years ago, dead.letter used about 1G of disk
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> space in my root partition.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That is what happens with the default setting, if an MTA is not installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> At the default settings with an MTA installed, the root mailbox gradually
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fills up the disk, if it is not emptied. And a less informed user is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> unlikely to realise this.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So it seems to me that as a minimum, the default should be changed to _not_
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> send alert emails. Since the status is visible on the main msec screen,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> informed users should have no problem appropriately adjusting the setting.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To deal with the potential problem of users who use the email alert feature
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> having it deactivated by the update, we only need a warning in the update,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as often occurs for other packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Updates should not require manual changes. And not everybody read the
+</I>&gt;<i> update logs from urpmi. People can expect important changes when upgrading
+</I>&gt;<i> to a new version of the distribution, and that's why there is release
+</I>&gt;<i> notes to explain the important changes, but not for stable updates.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Personally I am much more likely to notice the update log message from
+urpmi than everything in the release notes. I make a point of reading
+the former, which necessarily affect an application that I have installed.
+Most of the release notes comments are either painfully obvious, or
+affect something that I don't have installed or don't care about, so I
+tend to miss many details until I run into a problem.
+In this particular case, the problem would be not getting msec
+notifications.
+
+Although I realise that in general it would be better to avoid
+significant changes in updates, in this case I think that most users
+would be better served by this change being introduced in an update,
+rather than in a release.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Something like &quot;If you use the msec alert emails, please verify that the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> alerts are still active.&quot; Note that if the user has ever explicitly set
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> alerts, they would be still active.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>I was mistaken. But editing /etc/security/msec/security.conf to add the
+line &quot;MAIL_WARN=yes&quot; will protect from a default of &quot;MAIL_WARN=no&quot;.
+(Tested.)
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> This potential problem would exist even if the next update for the user is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mga2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However, if the update is on mga2 (from changes in cauldron), wouldn't the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> change in defaults be less visible ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>[...]
+&gt;&gt;<i> According to documentation, dma is only active if no other MTA is installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (I don't know if the priority is what causes this.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So at worst dma would be a (very small) harmless extra install, at best it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would ensure the ability for local delivery.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then dma could be installed by default on mageia 2, this would fix the
+</I>&gt;<i> problem for all programs using the sendmail command, not only msec,
+</I>&gt;<i> without adding a require on dma.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+That would work, as long as it is a &quot;require&quot; of Mageia 2.
+It might be better than making it a require of only msec.
+
+In sum, as long as by mga2, mta is required and msec no longer sends
+alerts by default, that works for me.
+But I still think that it would be better to implement it as an update
+before. (For the reasons indicated above.)
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+</I>&gt;<i> There are several ids that are listed as supported by wl,
+</I>&gt;<i> but their b43 counterpart states either &quot;untested&quot;, &quot;partially in
+</I>&gt;<i> 2.6.39+&quot; and so on...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And since Mageia 1 ships 2.6.38, it means switching driver in drakx
+</I>&gt;<i> can/will break something that worked in the release tests.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>So it is OK : this change in drakx is not a switch from wl to b43.
+The change is using b43-openfwwf when b43 driver is loaded, instead of
+asking for an external firmware file.
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+&gt;<i> Em 18-10-2011 23:28, Thomas Backlund escreveu:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There are several ids that are listed as supported by wl,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but their b43 counterpart states either &quot;untested&quot;, &quot;partially in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2.6.39+&quot; and so on...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And since Mageia 1 ships 2.6.38, it means switching driver in drakx
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can/will break something that worked in the release tests.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So it is OK : this change in drakx is not a switch from wl to b43.
+</I>&gt;<i> The change is using b43-openfwwf when b43 driver is loaded, instead of
+</I>&gt;<i> asking for an external firmware file.
+</I>
+
+Ah, OK, then I dont have any problem with it.
+Thanks for clarifying it.
+
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+Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have updated glibc &amp; locales-* from 2.12.1 to 2.14.1 and I'll push
+</I>&gt;<i> them to core/updates_testing so people can test it out but have a
+</I>&gt;<i> fallback if needed in case of regressions....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> They seem to work ok here, but you never know...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So for those brave of you, please test them out...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+No apparent problem so far in several boxes (netbook, 3 desktops...).
+
+&gt;<i> If no (big/real) issues are found with them I'll push them to
+</I>&gt;<i> core/release by the end of this week.
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Out of surprise, Oracle released a 4.0.14 update for old 4.0 series of
+</I>&gt;<i> virtualbox:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Download_Old_Builds_4_0">https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Download_Old_Builds_4_0</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> (Last version of 4.0 series, 4.0.12, was released in Jul 15. For
+</I>&gt;<i> virtualbox, usually when a new major version released, e.g. 4.1, the
+</I>&gt;<i> old version series will not be updated.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Will it be packed as a core update for Mageia 1? We don't have any
+</I>&gt;<i> virtualbox in Mageia 1's updates or backports.
+</I>
+I think there were some in updates_testing (pretty sure I pushed it
+there but then forgot about it :s)
+
+If there are good reasons to update then I personally don't have a
+problem with it.
+
+Col
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+&gt;<i> I have updated glibc &amp; locales-* from 2.12.1 to 2.14.1 and I'll push
+</I>&gt;<i> them to core/updates_testing so people can test it out but have a
+</I>&gt;<i> fallback if needed in case of regressions....
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+ <I>Wed Oct 19 10:39:50 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Mageia Team at 19/10/11 07:26 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Name : gdm Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 3.2.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga2 Build Date: Wed Oct 19 08:18:14 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Graphical desktop/GNOME Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 1702567 License: GPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/">http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : The GNOME Display Manager
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Gdm (the GNOME Display Manager) is a highly configurable
+</I>&gt;<i> reimplementation of xdm, the X Display Manager. Gdm allows you to log
+</I>&gt;<i> into your system with the X Window System running and supports running
+</I>&gt;<i> several different X sessions on your local machine at the same time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> wally &lt;wally&gt; 3.2.1-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 156474
+</I>&gt;<i> - new version 3.2.1
+</I>&gt;<i> - create own subpackage for gir .typelib
+</I>&gt;<i> - clean .spec a bit
+</I>
+For packages that have a pretty high impact, you probably should test it
+before updating.
+
+In this case 3.2.1 introduces a new dconf system which totally breaks if
+you don't do some %post stuff to update the actual data file.
+
+These instructions were clearly documented and if you'd tested the
+package even minimally, you'd have seen the problem and no doubt found
+this commit quickly (I saw the problem, did a temporary fix), logged in,
+looked in git and found the commit immediately and then fixed the spec
+accordingly).
+
+<A HREF="http://git.gnome.org/browse/gdm/commit/?h=gnome-3-2&amp;id=25004e4d11bbd2e8a22d5bcf49f294e9f63d2ce5">http://git.gnome.org/browse/gdm/commit/?h=gnome-3-2&amp;id=25004e4d11bbd2e8a22d5bcf49f294e9f63d2ce5</A>
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+So please in future, be considerate and test these packages before
+pushing otherwise you'll get a lot of unhappy users who cannot log in!
+
+Col
+
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Out of surprise, Oracle released a 4.0.14 update for old 4.0 series of
+</I>&gt;<i> virtualbox:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Download_Old_Builds_4_0">https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Download_Old_Builds_4_0</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> (Last version of 4.0 series, 4.0.12, was released in Jul 15. For
+</I>&gt;<i> virtualbox, usually when a new major version released, e.g. 4.1, the
+</I>&gt;<i> old version series will not be updated.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Will it be packed as a core update for Mageia 1? We don't have any
+</I>&gt;<i> virtualbox in Mageia 1's updates or backports.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+It's hard to answer because virtualbox currently has no maintainer. What do
+the changelogs say, are the changes from 4.0.6 to 4.0.14 only bugfixes ?
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+&gt;<i> I think there were some in updates_testing (pretty sure I pushed it
+</I>&gt;<i> there but then forgot about it :s)
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+&gt;<i> nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 18 Oct 2011, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Balcaen John a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le lundi 17 octobre 2011 16:39:14 nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think that :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - changing the default configuration in an update is wrong. If it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> better that msec do not send emails by default, I think this change
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> should be done in cauldron only, maybe with some note about this change
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in the release notes for Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Agree.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> A question : wouldn't changing the default in _both_ cauldron and an update
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to mga1 be acceptable ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think stable updates should not change defaults.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Since I really think that sending messages silently to dead.letter,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gradually filling up the disk is a bug. (When I first discovered the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> problem on my system a few years ago, dead.letter used about 1G of disk
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> space in my root partition.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That is what happens with the default setting, if an MTA is not installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> At the default settings with an MTA installed, the root mailbox gradually
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fills up the disk, if it is not emptied. And a less informed user is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> unlikely to realise this.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So it seems to me that as a minimum, the default should be changed to _not_
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> send alert emails. Since the status is visible on the main msec screen,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> informed users should have no problem appropriately adjusting the setting.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> To deal with the potential problem of users who use the email alert feature
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> having it deactivated by the update, we only need a warning in the update,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> as often occurs for other packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Updates should not require manual changes. And not everybody read the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> update logs from urpmi. People can expect important changes when upgrading
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to a new version of the distribution, and that's why there is release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> notes to explain the important changes, but not for stable updates.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Personally I am much more likely to notice the update log message from
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi than everything in the release notes. I make a point of reading the
+</I>&gt;<i> former, which necessarily affect an application that I have installed.
+</I>&gt;<i> Most of the release notes comments are either painfully obvious, or affect
+</I>&gt;<i> something that I don't have installed or don't care about, so I tend to
+</I>&gt;<i> miss many details until I run into a problem.
+</I>&gt;<i> In this particular case, the problem would be not getting msec
+</I>&gt;<i> notifications.
+</I>
+People should not expect an update to change something that has been the
+default for years. This kind of change should be done for a new release
+of the distribution, not in updates. If you don't read the release
+notes when doing upgrade changing important things, but always read
+urpmi logs of updates that are supposed to have minimal changes, then
+you're doing something wrong, but I hope not everybody does that.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Although I realise that in general it would be better to avoid significant
+</I>&gt;<i> changes in updates, in this case I think that most users would be better
+</I>&gt;<i> served by this change being introduced in an update, rather than in a
+</I>&gt;<i> release.
+</I>
+So you want to break something for some user, to improve it for some
+others ?
+
+This has been the default for years. I don't see any reason to urgently
+change this with an update.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Something like &quot;If you use the msec alert emails, please verify that the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> alerts are still active.&quot; Note that if the user has ever explicitly set
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> alerts, they would be still active.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I was mistaken. But editing /etc/security/msec/security.conf to add the
+</I>&gt;<i> line &quot;MAIL_WARN=yes&quot; will protect from a default of &quot;MAIL_WARN=no&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> (Tested.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This potential problem would exist even if the next update for the user is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mga2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> However, if the update is on mga2 (from changes in cauldron), wouldn't the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> change in defaults be less visible ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> According to documentation, dma is only active if no other MTA is installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (I don't know if the priority is what causes this.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So at worst dma would be a (very small) harmless extra install, at best it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> would ensure the ability for local delivery.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then dma could be installed by default on mageia 2, this would fix the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> problem for all programs using the sendmail command, not only msec,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> without adding a require on dma.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That would work, as long as it is a &quot;require&quot; of Mageia 2.
+</I>
+Not a require, but installed by default. And msec should have a require
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 19 octobre 2011 04:45:40, You-Cheng Hsieh a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Out of surprise, Oracle released a 4.0.14 update for old 4.0 series of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> virtualbox:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Download_Old_Builds_4_0">https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Download_Old_Builds_4_0</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (Last version of 4.0 series, 4.0.12, was released in Jul 15. For
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> virtualbox, usually when a new major version released, e.g. 4.1, the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> old version series will not be updated.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Will it be packed as a core update for Mageia 1? We don't have any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> virtualbox in Mageia 1's updates or backports.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's hard to answer because virtualbox currently has no maintainer. What do
+</I>&gt;<i> the changelogs say, are the changes from 4.0.6 to 4.0.14 only bugfixes ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+ From what I read, there are several important fixes, so I'd suggest to
+push it as an update...
+<A HREF="https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Changelog-4.0">https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Changelog-4.0</A>
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 09:39:50AM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> These instructions were clearly documented and if you'd tested the
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I actually think this should've been communicated better from
+</I>&gt;<i> upstream... asked the maintainer to send a msg to
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">distributor-list at gnome.org</A> + put clearer warnings in the NEWS file.
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+Yeah true, but that still doesn't excuse the lack of testing, especially
+in a package as complex a gdm (I've spent a lot of time updating it ot
+the latest gnome-shell version and integrating with systemd permissions
+etc, so I know it's a somewhat &quot;temperamental&quot; package that shouldn't be
+updated blindly).
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+But perhaps Ray will send that email - the git tag for 3.2.1 is not even
+pushed yet so I figure we're very quick of the mark grabbing the
+tarballs here.
+
+Col
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 19 octobre 2011 10:28:21, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think there were some in updates_testing (pretty sure I pushed it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> there but then forgot about it :s)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i> You will be hung to a tall tree for forgetting to pass this update to QA!
+</I>
+It was pushed long before QA existed! But I've no doubt already been
+hung drawn and quartered for various other transgressions!
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+Col
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+<PRE>2011/10/19 Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Mageia Team at 19/10/11 07:26 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: gdm &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version &#160; &#160; : 3.2.1 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release &#160; &#160; : 1.mga2 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Build Date: Wed Oct 19 08:18:14 2011
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Group &#160; &#160; &#160; : Graphical desktop/GNOME &#160; &#160; &#160; Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Size &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: 1702567 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;License: GPLv2+
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Signature &#160; : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packager &#160; &#160;: Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; : <A HREF="http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/">http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Summary &#160; &#160; : The GNOME Display Manager
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Gdm (the GNOME Display Manager) is a highly configurable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reimplementation of xdm, the X Display Manager. Gdm allows you to log
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> into your system with the X Window System running and supports running
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> several different X sessions on your local machine at the same time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wally &lt;wally&gt; 3.2.1-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 156474
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - new version 3.2.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - create own subpackage for gir .typelib
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - clean .spec a bit
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For packages that have a pretty high impact, you probably should test it
+</I>&gt;<i> before updating.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In this case 3.2.1 introduces a new dconf system which totally breaks if
+</I>&gt;<i> you don't do some %post stuff to update the actual data file.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> These instructions were clearly documented and if you'd tested the
+</I>&gt;<i> package even minimally, you'd have seen the problem and no doubt found
+</I>&gt;<i> this commit quickly (I saw the problem, did a temporary fix), logged in,
+</I>&gt;<i> looked in git and found the commit immediately and then fixed the spec
+</I>&gt;<i> accordingly).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://git.gnome.org/browse/gdm/commit/?h=gnome-3-2&amp;id=25004e4d11bbd2e8a22d5bcf49f294e9f63d2ce5">http://git.gnome.org/browse/gdm/commit/?h=gnome-3-2&amp;id=25004e4d11bbd2e8a22d5bcf49f294e9f63d2ce5</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So please in future, be considerate and test these packages before
+</I>&gt;<i> pushing otherwise you'll get a lot of unhappy users who cannot log in!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Sorry, my bad. I'll do more thorough testing next time. I did read
+NEWS and all, but didn't notice anything &quot;abnormal&quot; so I didn't test
+the pkg enough.
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+Luckily you were awake and fixed package pretty fast. Thx for that.
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+&gt;<i> Yeah true, but that still doesn't excuse the lack of testing, especially
+</I>&gt;<i> in a package as complex a gdm (I've spent a lot of time updating it ot
+</I>&gt;<i> the latest gnome-shell version and integrating with systemd permissions
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+We could use sg like fedora's bodhi.
+uploaded packages would be in a temp repo for a week pending
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+&gt;<i> On 19 October 2011 11:19, Colin Guthrie&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah true, but that still doesn't excuse the lack of testing, especially
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in a package as complex a gdm (I've spent a lot of time updating it ot
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the latest gnome-shell version and integrating with systemd permissions
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> etc, so I know it's a somewhat &quot;temperamental&quot; package that shouldn't be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updated blindly).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We could use sg like fedora's bodhi.
+</I>&gt;<i> uploaded packages would be in a temp repo for a week pending
+</I>&gt;<i> ACK by testers...
+</I>
+Well, we also have updates_testing ...
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Jani V&#228;limaa at 19/10/11 10:38 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 2011/10/19 Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Mageia Team at 19/10/11 07:26 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name : gdm Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 3.2.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga2 Build Date: Wed Oct 19 08:18:14 2011
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Group : Graphical desktop/GNOME Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Size : 1702567 License: GPLv2+
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/">http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Summary : The GNOME Display Manager
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Gdm (the GNOME Display Manager) is a highly configurable
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> reimplementation of xdm, the X Display Manager. Gdm allows you to log
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> into your system with the X Window System running and supports running
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> several different X sessions on your local machine at the same time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wally &lt;wally&gt; 3.2.1-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 156474
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - new version 3.2.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - create own subpackage for gir .typelib
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - clean .spec a bit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For packages that have a pretty high impact, you probably should test it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> before updating.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In this case 3.2.1 introduces a new dconf system which totally breaks if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you don't do some %post stuff to update the actual data file.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> These instructions were clearly documented and if you'd tested the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package even minimally, you'd have seen the problem and no doubt found
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this commit quickly (I saw the problem, did a temporary fix), logged in,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> looked in git and found the commit immediately and then fixed the spec
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> accordingly).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://git.gnome.org/browse/gdm/commit/?h=gnome-3-2&amp;id=25004e4d11bbd2e8a22d5bcf49f294e9f63d2ce5">http://git.gnome.org/browse/gdm/commit/?h=gnome-3-2&amp;id=25004e4d11bbd2e8a22d5bcf49f294e9f63d2ce5</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So please in future, be considerate and test these packages before
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pushing otherwise you'll get a lot of unhappy users who cannot log in!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry, my bad. I'll do more thorough testing next time. I did read
+</I>&gt;<i> NEWS and all, but didn't notice anything &quot;abnormal&quot; so I didn't test
+</I>&gt;<i> the pkg enough.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Luckily you were awake and fixed package pretty fast. Thx for that.
+</I>
+Yeah I've asked Ray on IRC to add a bit more info about that change (it
+should have been in NEWS IMO)...
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+Anyway, no biggie but gdm in particular is probably one to always test
+first :)
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+In testing a more extensive use of systemd (i.e. using it to mount
+filesystems etc. rather than using rc.sysinit) I've run into a few
+problems regarding the fact that my LVM is activated in the initrd.
+
+Due to this, various entries in the udev db are not set. systemd uses
+these missing bits to launch the local-fs.target and thus fails (even if
+it's just my /home that is broken which won't really be needed).
+
+I've been told in various discussions with upstream that ultimately we
+need to use udev in the initrd. It seems that fedora and suse at least
+do this.
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+I can work around it of course (we do so just now) but I'd like to get
+things working as &quot;natively&quot; as possible with systemd if possible.
+
+So should we:
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+ a) Try to incorporate udev into our mkinitrd?
+ b) Switch to dracut
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+I'm not an expert at this stuff, but I know that Mandriva has started
+using dracut more and I think it's likely the best solution overall
+seeing as it's Fedora's preferred mechanism too.
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+But I didn't want to start looking at it until there is some consensus
+on this - hence this email.
+
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+FWIW, I've put some detailed info on an Mdv bug concerning this same
+issue here:
+<A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=63471">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=63471</A>
+
+Col
+
+PS I've CC'ed a couple of specifically interested/clued up people so
+they don't miss this mail, but of course comments from anyone are
+appreciated:)
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+colin(at)mageia.org
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+<PRE>On 19 October 2011 15:20, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> In testing a more extensive use of systemd (i.e. using it to mount
+</I>&gt;<i> filesystems etc. rather than using rc.sysinit) I've run into a few
+</I>&gt;<i> problems regarding the fact that my LVM is activated in the initrd.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Due to this, various entries in the udev db are not set. systemd uses
+</I>&gt;<i> these missing bits to launch the local-fs.target and thus fails (even if
+</I>&gt;<i> it's just my /home that is broken which won't really be needed).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've been told in various discussions with upstream that ultimately we
+</I>&gt;<i> need to use udev in the initrd. It seems that fedora and suse at least
+</I>&gt;<i> do this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can work around it of course (we do so just now) but I'd like to get
+</I>&gt;<i> things working as &quot;natively&quot; as possible with systemd if possible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So should we:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;a) Try to incorporate udev into our mkinitrd?
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;b) Switch to dracut
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not an expert at this stuff, but I know that Mandriva has started
+</I>&gt;<i> using dracut more and I think it's likely the best solution overall
+</I>&gt;<i> seeing as it's Fedora's preferred mechanism too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But I didn't want to start looking at it until there is some consensus
+</I>&gt;<i> on this - hence this email.
+</I>
+I think we shall not support the mkinitrd burden only by ourselves
+If all other are switching to dracut, we may have to too
+At some point, we'd extensive changes (by Luca?) for detecting MD/DM/LV,
+dunno if drakcut is ready to replace?
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+<PRE>Am 19.10.2011 11:01, schrieb nicolas vigier:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 19 Oct 2011, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 18 Oct 2011, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Balcaen John a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le lundi 17 octobre 2011 16:39:14 nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think that :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - changing the default configuration in an update is wrong. If it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> better that msec do not send emails by default, I think this change
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> should be done in cauldron only, maybe with some note about this change
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in the release notes for Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Agree.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> A question : wouldn't changing the default in _both_ cauldron and an update
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to mga1 be acceptable ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think stable updates should not change defaults.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Since I really think that sending messages silently to dead.letter,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gradually filling up the disk is a bug. (When I first discovered the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> problem on my system a few years ago, dead.letter used about 1G of disk
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> space in my root partition.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That is what happens with the default setting, if an MTA is not installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> At the default settings with an MTA installed, the root mailbox gradually
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fills up the disk, if it is not emptied. And a less informed user is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> unlikely to realise this.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So it seems to me that as a minimum, the default should be changed to _not_
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> send alert emails. Since the status is visible on the main msec screen,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> informed users should have no problem appropriately adjusting the setting.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> To deal with the potential problem of users who use the email alert feature
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> having it deactivated by the update, we only need a warning in the update,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> as often occurs for other packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Updates should not require manual changes. And not everybody read the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> update logs from urpmi. People can expect important changes when upgrading
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to a new version of the distribution, and that's why there is release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> notes to explain the important changes, but not for stable updates.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Personally I am much more likely to notice the update log message from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> urpmi than everything in the release notes. I make a point of reading the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> former, which necessarily affect an application that I have installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Most of the release notes comments are either painfully obvious, or affect
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> something that I don't have installed or don't care about, so I tend to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> miss many details until I run into a problem.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In this particular case, the problem would be not getting msec
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> notifications.
+</I>&gt;<i> People should not expect an update to change something that has been the
+</I>&gt;<i> default for years. This kind of change should be done for a new release
+</I>&gt;<i> of the distribution, not in updates. If you don't read the release
+</I>&gt;<i> notes when doing upgrade changing important things, but always read
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi logs of updates that are supposed to have minimal changes, then
+</I>&gt;<i> you're doing something wrong, but I hope not everybody does that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Although I realise that in general it would be better to avoid significant
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> changes in updates, in this case I think that most users would be better
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> served by this change being introduced in an update, rather than in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> release.
+</I>&gt;<i> So you want to break something for some user, to improve it for some
+</I>&gt;<i> others ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This has been the default for years. I don't see any reason to urgently
+</I>&gt;<i> change this with an update.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Something like &quot;If you use the msec alert emails, please verify that the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> alerts are still active.&quot; Note that if the user has ever explicitly set
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> alerts, they would be still active.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I was mistaken. But editing /etc/security/msec/security.conf to add the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> line &quot;MAIL_WARN=yes&quot; will protect from a default of &quot;MAIL_WARN=no&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (Tested.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This potential problem would exist even if the next update for the user is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mga2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> However, if the update is on mga2 (from changes in cauldron), wouldn't the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> change in defaults be less visible ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> According to documentation, dma is only active if no other MTA is installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (I don't know if the priority is what causes this.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So at worst dma would be a (very small) harmless extra install, at best it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> would ensure the ability for local delivery.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Then dma could be installed by default on mageia 2, this would fix the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> problem for all programs using the sendmail command, not only msec,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> without adding a require on dma.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That would work, as long as it is a &quot;require&quot; of Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;<i> Not a require, but installed by default. And msec should have a require
+</I>&gt;<i> on sendmail-command.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>So to make this clear for Mageia 1 we keep msec as it currently is, not changing
+anything and for Cauldron should i already add Requires: sendmail-command?
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+BTW: Would have been nice if you would have dropped your opinion earlier in the
+thread, that would have saved much email noise and you would have prevented
+quite some investigative work which got in there IMHO ...
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 19/10/11 13:45 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Jani V&#228;limaa at 19/10/11 10:38 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/10/19 Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Mageia Team at 19/10/11 07:26 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name : gdm Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 3.2.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga2 Build Date: Wed Oct 19 08:18:14 2011
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Group : Graphical desktop/GNOME Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Size : 1702567 License: GPLv2+
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/">http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Summary : The GNOME Display Manager
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Gdm (the GNOME Display Manager) is a highly configurable
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> reimplementation of xdm, the X Display Manager. Gdm allows you to log
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> into your system with the X Window System running and supports running
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> several different X sessions on your local machine at the same time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wally &lt;wally&gt; 3.2.1-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 156474
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - new version 3.2.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - create own subpackage for gir .typelib
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - clean .spec a bit
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For packages that have a pretty high impact, you probably should test it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> before updating.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In this case 3.2.1 introduces a new dconf system which totally breaks if
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you don't do some %post stuff to update the actual data file.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> These instructions were clearly documented and if you'd tested the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> package even minimally, you'd have seen the problem and no doubt found
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this commit quickly (I saw the problem, did a temporary fix), logged in,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> looked in git and found the commit immediately and then fixed the spec
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> accordingly).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://git.gnome.org/browse/gdm/commit/?h=gnome-3-2&amp;id=25004e4d11bbd2e8a22d5bcf49f294e9f63d2ce5">http://git.gnome.org/browse/gdm/commit/?h=gnome-3-2&amp;id=25004e4d11bbd2e8a22d5bcf49f294e9f63d2ce5</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So please in future, be considerate and test these packages before
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> pushing otherwise you'll get a lot of unhappy users who cannot log in!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry, my bad. I'll do more thorough testing next time. I did read
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> NEWS and all, but didn't notice anything &quot;abnormal&quot; so I didn't test
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the pkg enough.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Luckily you were awake and fixed package pretty fast. Thx for that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah I've asked Ray on IRC to add a bit more info about that change (it
+</I>&gt;<i> should have been in NEWS IMO)...
+</I>
+Just for reference, I spoke to Ray a bit and it seems the whole
+mechanism is a bit rubbish (he says so himself) and will change soon, so
+we should keep our eyes open for the next release and any changes it brings.
+
+Discussion on the matter here:
+<A HREF="https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=662168">https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=662168</A>
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+Col
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
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+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+ <B>Anne nicolas</B>
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+<PRE>2011/10/19 Florian Hubold &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Am 19.10.2011 11:01, schrieb nicolas vigier:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 19 Oct 2011, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 18 Oct 2011, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Balcaen John a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le lundi 17 octobre 2011 16:39:14 nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think that :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- changing the default configuration in an update is wrong. If
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160;better that msec do not send emails by default, I think this
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> change
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160;should be done in cauldron only, maybe with some note about this
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> change
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160;in the release notes for Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Agree.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> A question : wouldn't changing the default in _both_ cauldron and an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> update
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to mga1 be acceptable ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think stable updates should not change defaults.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Since I really think that sending messages silently to dead.letter,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gradually filling up the disk is a bug. &#160;(When I first discovered the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> problem on my system a few years ago, dead.letter used about 1G of disk
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> space in my root partition.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That is what happens with the default setting, if an MTA is not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> At the default settings with an MTA installed, the root mailbox
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gradually
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fills up the disk, if it is not emptied. &#160;And a less informed user is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> unlikely to realise this.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So it seems to me that as a minimum, the default should be changed to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> _not_
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> send alert emails. &#160;Since the status is visible on the main msec
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> screen,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> informed users should have no problem appropriately adjusting the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> setting.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> To deal with the potential problem of users who use the email alert
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> feature
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> having it deactivated by the update, we only need a warning in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> update,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> as often occurs for other packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Updates should not require manual changes. And not everybody read the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> update logs from urpmi. People can expect important changes when
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> upgrading
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to a new version of the distribution, and that's why there is release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> notes to explain the important changes, but not for stable updates.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Personally I am much more likely to notice the update log message from
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> urpmi than everything in the release notes. &#160;I make a point of reading
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> former, which necessarily affect an application that I have installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Most of the release notes comments are either painfully obvious, or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> affect
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> something that I don't have installed or don't care about, so I tend to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> miss many details until I run into a problem.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In this particular case, the problem would be not getting msec
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> notifications.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> People should not expect an update to change something that has been the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> default for years. This kind of change should be done for a new release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of the distribution, not in updates. If you don't read the release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> notes when doing upgrade changing important things, but always read
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> urpmi logs of updates that are supposed to have minimal changes, then
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you're doing something wrong, but I hope not everybody does that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Although I realise that in general it would be better to avoid
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> significant
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> changes in updates, in this case I think that most users would be better
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> served by this change being introduced in an update, rather than in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> release.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So you want to break something for some user, to improve it for some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> others ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This has been the default for years. I don't see any reason to urgently
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> change this with an update.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Something like &quot;If you use the msec alert emails, please verify that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> alerts are still active.&quot; &#160;Note that if the user has ever explicitly
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> set
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> alerts, they would be still active.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I was mistaken. &#160;But editing /etc/security/msec/security.conf to add the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> line &quot;MAIL_WARN=yes&quot; will protect from a default of &quot;MAIL_WARN=no&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (Tested.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This potential problem would exist even if the next update for the user
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mga2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> However, if the update is on mga2 (from changes in cauldron), wouldn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> change in defaults be less visible ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> According to documentation, dma is only active if no other MTA is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (I don't know if the priority is what causes this.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So at worst dma would be a (very small) harmless extra install, at best
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> would ensure the ability for local delivery.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Then dma could be installed by default on mageia 2, this would fix the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> problem for all programs using the sendmail command, not only msec,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> without adding a require on dma.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That would work, as long as it is a &quot;require&quot; of Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not a require, but installed by default. And msec should have a require
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on sendmail-command.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So to make this clear for Mageia 1 we keep msec as it currently is, not
+</I>&gt;<i> changing
+</I>&gt;<i> anything and for Cauldron should i already add Requires: sendmail-command?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW: Would have been nice if you would have dropped your opinion earlier in
+</I>&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;<i> thread, that would have saved much email noise and you would have prevented
+</I>&gt;<i> quite some investigative work which got in there IMHO ...
+</I>
+Would be nice if you keep in mind here is volunteer and may not have
+time to answer every threads straight away ;)
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+We will have our meeting tonight. Here are proposed topics
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+- Status on &quot;ASSIGNED&quot; tag in Bugzilla (see discussion on ML about this)
+- Quick review of action plan for bs hardware
+- Start thinking about organization for first alpha release
+- Review of QA, triage, secteam and mentoring
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+Cheers
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 19 octobre 2011 17:56:24, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We will have our meeting tonight. Here are proposed topics
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Status on &quot;ASSIGNED&quot; tag in Bugzilla (see discussion on ML about this)
+</I>&gt;<i> - Quick review of action plan for bs hardware
+</I>&gt;<i> - Start thinking about organization for first alpha release
+</I>&gt;<i> - Review of QA, triage, secteam and mentoring
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
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+I will probably not be able to attend tonight, so I can't do the QA review.
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+About the ASSIGNED status, I would advise to not lose too much time discussing
+it, as the question should be answered in a broader way by triage team (and
+those interested) by proposing a revised workflow, including but not limited
+to, the use of the ASSIGNED status (TRIAGED status, reasons for closing a bug,
+etc.).
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+The Fedora workflow is probably a could basis that we could adapt to our
+organization (less the bodhi step):
+<A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow</A>
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+Discussing the ASSIGNED status alone will not lead very far, and it's not
+blocking for now: currently triage team simply doesn't touch it at all,
+leaving it for the maintainer to choose), which is not far from what we did in
+Mandriva and what they do in Fedora.
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+Best regards
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+Samuel Verschelde
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+<PRE>2011/10/19 Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 19/10/11 13:45 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Jani V&#228;limaa at 19/10/11 10:38 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/10/19 Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Mageia Team at 19/10/11 07:26 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: gdm &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version &#160; &#160; : 3.2.1 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Release &#160; &#160; : 1.mga2 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Build Date: Wed Oct 19 08:18:14 2011
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Group &#160; &#160; &#160; : Graphical desktop/GNOME &#160; &#160; &#160; Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Size &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: 1702567 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;License: GPLv2+
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Signature &#160; : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Packager &#160; &#160;: Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> URL &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; : <A HREF="http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/">http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Summary &#160; &#160; : The GNOME Display Manager
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Gdm (the GNOME Display Manager) is a highly configurable
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> reimplementation of xdm, the X Display Manager. Gdm allows you to log
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> into your system with the X Window System running and supports running
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> several different X sessions on your local machine at the same time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wally &lt;wally&gt; 3.2.1-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 156474
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - new version 3.2.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - create own subpackage for gir .typelib
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - clean .spec a bit
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For packages that have a pretty high impact, you probably should test it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> before updating.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In this case 3.2.1 introduces a new dconf system which totally breaks if
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you don't do some %post stuff to update the actual data file.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> These instructions were clearly documented and if you'd tested the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> package even minimally, you'd have seen the problem and no doubt found
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this commit quickly (I saw the problem, did a temporary fix), logged in,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> looked in git and found the commit immediately and then fixed the spec
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> accordingly).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://git.gnome.org/browse/gdm/commit/?h=gnome-3-2&amp;id=25004e4d11bbd2e8a22d5bcf49f294e9f63d2ce5">http://git.gnome.org/browse/gdm/commit/?h=gnome-3-2&amp;id=25004e4d11bbd2e8a22d5bcf49f294e9f63d2ce5</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So please in future, be considerate and test these packages before
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> pushing otherwise you'll get a lot of unhappy users who cannot log in!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry, my bad. I'll do more thorough testing next time. I did read
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> NEWS and all, but didn't notice anything &quot;abnormal&quot; so I didn't test
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the pkg enough.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Luckily you were awake and fixed package pretty fast. Thx for that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah I've asked Ray on IRC to add a bit more info about that change &#160;(it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should have been in NEWS IMO)...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just for reference, I spoke to Ray a bit and it seems the whole
+</I>&gt;<i> mechanism is a bit rubbish (he says so himself) and will change soon, so
+</I>&gt;<i> we should keep our eyes open for the next release and any changes it brings.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Discussion on the matter here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=662168">https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=662168</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+There's already new version 3.2.1.1 available, but I'm not going to
+touch (read: broke) it. (:
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 19 octobre 2011 19:35:39 Jani V&#228;limaa a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i> There's already new version 3.2.1.1 available, but I'm not going to
+</I>&gt;<i> touch (read: broke) it. (:
+</I>You're waiting for friday ? :)
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+<PRE>Funda Wang a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2011/10/16 Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks Funda. I will look it up just to learn how you did it.
+</I>&gt;<i> The problem comes from the upgrading of swig, it tends to have such
+</I>&gt;<i> problems when doing major upgrades.
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+Does it mean that packages having &quot;BuildRequires: swig&quot; in the spec
+file, must be rebuilt since swig has been updated ???
+And that lot of them will need patches ? ...
+
+Sophies says that 40 srpms have Builrequires: swig !
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+Must we ask their maintainers try to rebuild each of them, and look for
+a patch if it can't be rebuilt ?
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+Must we open a tracker in bugzilla with the list of &quot;packages needing to
+be rebuilt and perhaps patched since swig has been updated &quot; ?
+and open a bug report for each of them ?
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> I think we shall not support the mkinitrd burden only by ourselves
+</I>&gt;<i> If all other are switching to dracut, we may have to too
+</I>&gt;<i> At some point, we'd extensive changes (by Luca?) for detecting MD/DM/LV,
+</I>&gt;<i> dunno if drakcut is ready to replace?
+</I>
+i agree, however, my last brush with dracut, i don't think it's ready yet. and
+on top of that, it produces huge initrds (initramfs'es), which imho slows down
+the booting processes (especially on PXE network installs)
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+furthermore, i may be wrong, but wasn't udev actually started in the initrd? i
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+is there someone who can help me understand the stage1/stage2/rescue system?
+or point to some docs? i've looked at it, but it seems to be sometimes one
+source file used for both... it's really confusing me.
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+I need to do some modifications for files and busybox option and i need to build
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+&gt;<i> In testing a more extensive use of systemd (i.e. using it to mount
+</I>&gt;<i> filesystems etc. rather than using rc.sysinit) I've run into a few
+</I>&gt;<i> problems regarding the fact that my LVM is activated in the initrd.
+</I>
+I'm using lvm in my cauldron and Mandriva 2011 installs.
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+I have / on a primary partition, with /usr, /var, /home, /opt, and
+/tmp on lvm volumes.
+
+I previously had /var/log on a primary partition, but that did give
+me a problem with /var/log getting mounted before /var. Once I
+moved /var/log back into /var, mounting is ok. I have to kill
+plymouth for a run level 3 boot, and have run into problems with
+systemd timing out a mount, when an fsck has to run due to the
+filesystem mount count, but haven't taken the time to file bug
+reports on those yet.
+
+My cauldron install started out as a Mandriva 2009.1 install, updated
+via urpmi to 2010.2, then to Mageia 1, then to Cauldron.
+
+Any info you think would be useful to figure out why it's working for
+me, and not on your system?
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+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+See the flowchart (link below) and the explanations below. Not all statuses
+will be used in every bug report, but the flowchart more or less gives the
+standard flow for bugs reported against a stable release of Mageia.
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+<A HREF="http://stormi.lautre.net/fichiers/mageia/triage.png">http://stormi.lautre.net/fichiers/mageia/triage.png</A>
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+NEW: as currently, bugs are set to this status when created
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+NEW (+ NEEDINFO keyword): more input needed
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+NEW (+ Triaged keyword): bug report has been triaged by a triager or
+maintainer, and should have been assigned to the right maintainer (when
+there's one), but there's no guarantee about this.
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+ACCEPTED must be set by the maintainer, or a packager who decides to fix the
+bug for the maintainer. It doesn't mean that the packager is actively working
+on the fix, but shows that he/she is willing to whenever possible. Setting a
+bug report to accepted acknowledges that the triager assigned to the right
+person AND that this person saw that the bug report was assigned to him/her.
+In case of a bug assigned to a maintainer group (when there will be), setting
+the status to ACCEPTED means that the group is OK to handle the bug report,
+but it does not mean that someone from the group is already working on it. See
+the next status for that.
+
+IN_PROGRESS can be set by the packager who is working on the bug. It is not
+mandatory, this status can be skipped. However, it is advised to use it to
+give better feedback to both triagers and bug reporters.
+
+TESTING is set when assigning to QA Team (ideally bugzilla would automatically
+assign to QA when someone puts the TESTING status in a stable release).
+
+VALIDATED is set by QA team once testing ends. It means that the update can be
+pushed (replaces the validated_update keyword)
+
+CLOSED replaces RESOLVED, because I think it's nicer for the bug reporter if
+we &quot;close&quot; bugs rather than consider them &quot;resolved&quot; when the reason for
+closing is WONT-FIX, DUPLICATE, OLD, etc., statuses that obviously don't match
+the meaning of &quot;RESOLVED&quot;.
+
+ASSIGNED status disappears, because it was ambiguous. UNCONFIRMED disappears,
+it was unused already.
+
+Here are the proposed Resolutions:
+FIXED
+NOT_A_BUG (replaces INVALID with a more neutral term)
+INSUFFICIENT_DATA (new resolution for bugs closed due to lack of data)
+CANT_FIX (it's too difficult to fix it, or there's a reason why we can't fix it)
+WONT_FIX (we don't *want* to fix it)
+DUPLICATE
+WORKS_FOR_ME
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+Best regards
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+Samuel Verschelde
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+<PRE>On 18 October 2011 18:48, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I have updated glibc &amp; locales-* from 2.12.1 to 2.14.1 and I'll push
+</I>&gt;<i> them to core/updates_testing so people can test it out but have a
+</I>&gt;<i> fallback if needed in case of regressions....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> They seem to work ok here, but you never know...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So for those brave of you, please test them out...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If no (big/real) issues are found with them I'll push them to core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> by the end of this week.
+</I>
+I've seen several programs segfaulting on dlopen(), eg: mplayer
+See attached trace
+Once rollbacking to 2.12, everything is OK again
+-------------- next part --------------
+Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
+do_lookup_x (new_hash=1590579055, old_hash=&lt;optimized out&gt;, result=0x7fffffffa5f0, scope=&lt;optimized out&gt;, i=0, flags=2, skip=0x0, undef_map=0x7ffff7fd59b8) at dl-lookup.c:98
+98 dl-lookup.c: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type.
+ in dl-lookup.c
+(gdb) bt
+#0 do_lookup_x (new_hash=1590579055, old_hash=&lt;optimized out&gt;, result=0x7fffffffa5f0, scope=&lt;optimized out&gt;, i=0, flags=2, skip=0x0, undef_map=0x7ffff7fd59b8) at dl-lookup.c:98
+#1 0x00007ffff7de72d2 in _dl_lookup_symbol_x (undef_name=0x7fffffffa8f0 &quot;__snd_timer_hw_open_dlsym_timer_001&quot;, undef_map=0x7ffff7fd59b8, ref=0x7fffffffa700, symbol_scope=
+ 0x7ffff7fd5d40, version=0x0, type_class=0, flags=2, skip_map=0x0) at dl-lookup.c:739
+#2 0x00007ffff41ba245 in do_sym () from /lib64/libc.so.6
+#3 0x00007ffff72c8014 in dlsym_doit (a=0x7fffffffa8b0) at dlsym.c:51
+#4 0x00007ffff7deb6d6 in _dl_catch_error (objname=0x163fea0, errstring=0x163fea8, mallocedp=0x163fe98, operate=0x7ffff72c8000 &lt;dlsym_doit&gt;, args=0x7fffffffa8b0) at dl-error.c:178
+#5 0x00007ffff72c84fc in _dlerror_run (operate=0x7ffff72c8000 &lt;dlsym_doit&gt;, args=0x7fffffffa8b0) at dlerror.c:164
+#6 0x00007ffff72c806a in __dlsym (handle=&lt;optimized out&gt;, name=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at dlsym.c:71
+#7 0x00000032ed038cb3 in snd_dlsym_verify (handle=0x7ffff7fd59b8, name=0x7fffffffaa20 &quot;_snd_timer_hw_open&quot;, version=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at dlmisc.c:121
+#8 0x00000032ed038dad in snd_dlsym (handle=0x7ffff7fd59b8, name=0x7fffffffaa20 &quot;_snd_timer_hw_open&quot;, version=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at dlmisc.c:163
+#9 0x00000032ed0960c5 in snd_timer_open_conf (timer=&lt;optimized out&gt;, name=0x7fffffffad00 &quot;hw:CLASS=3,SCLASS=0,CARD=0,DEV=0,SUBDEV=0&quot;, timer_root=0x1d1d6d0, timer_conf=0x2123b20,
+ mode=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at timer.c:160
+#10 0x00000032ed096479 in snd_timer_open_noupdate (timer=0x21243d0, root=0x1d1d6d0, name=0x7fffffffad00 &quot;hw:CLASS=3,SCLASS=0,CARD=0,DEV=0,SUBDEV=0&quot;, mode=3) at timer.c:192
+#11 0x00000032ed08ddaf in snd1_pcm_direct_initialize_poll_fd (dmix=0x2124300) at pcm_direct.c:1113
+#12 0x00000032ed087973 in snd_pcm_dmix_open (pcmp=0x7fffffffb228, name=&lt;optimized out&gt;, opts=0x7fffffffaf50, params=0x7fffffffaf20, root=0x1d1d6d0, sconf=0x21220a0, stream=
+ SND_PCM_STREAM_PLAYBACK, mode=0) at pcm_dmix.c:1093
+#13 0x00000032ed087f9a in _snd_pcm_dmix_open (pcmp=0x7fffffffb228, name=0x21224b0 &quot;dmix:0&quot;, root=0x1d1d6d0, conf=&lt;optimized out&gt;, stream=SND_PCM_STREAM_PLAYBACK, mode=0)
+ at pcm_dmix.c:1319
+#14 0x00000032ed04fa78 in snd_pcm_open_conf (pcmp=&lt;optimized out&gt;, name=0x21224b0 &quot;dmix:0&quot;, pcm_root=0x1d1d6d0, pcm_conf=&lt;optimized out&gt;, stream=SND_PCM_STREAM_PLAYBACK,
+ mode=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at pcm.c:2166
+#15 0x00000032ed050090 in snd_pcm_open_noupdate (pcmp=0x7fffffffb228, root=0x1d1d6d0, name=0x21224b0 &quot;dmix:0&quot;, stream=SND_PCM_STREAM_PLAYBACK, mode=0, hop=1) at pcm.c:2220
+#16 0x00000032ed051f79 in snd1_pcm_open_named_slave (pcmp=0x7fffffffb228, name=0x0, root=0x1d1d6d0, conf=0x1bcf810, stream=SND_PCM_STREAM_PLAYBACK, mode=0, parent_conf=0x1bcf430)
+ at pcm.c:2306
+#17 0x00000032ed072bb5 in snd_pcm_open_slave (parent_conf=0x1bcf430, mode=0, stream=SND_PCM_STREAM_PLAYBACK, conf=&lt;optimized out&gt;, root=0x1d1d6d0, pcmp=0x7fffffffb228)
+ at pcm_local.h:864
+#18 _snd_pcm_plug_open (pcmp=0xfda3c8, name=0x7fffffffb830 &quot;default&quot;, root=0x1d1d6d0, conf=0x1bcf430, stream=SND_PCM_STREAM_PLAYBACK, mode=0) at pcm_plug.c:1311
+#19 0x00000032ed04fa78 in snd_pcm_open_conf (pcmp=&lt;optimized out&gt;, name=0x7fffffffb830 &quot;default&quot;, pcm_root=0x1d1d6d0, pcm_conf=&lt;optimized out&gt;, stream=SND_PCM_STREAM_PLAYBACK,
+ mode=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at pcm.c:2166
+#20 0x00000032ed051fbf in snd1_pcm_open_named_slave (pcmp=0xfda3c8, name=0x7fffffffb830 &quot;default&quot;, root=0x1d1d6d0, conf=0x1bcf430, stream=SND_PCM_STREAM_PLAYBACK, mode=0, parent_conf=
+ 0x1bcf1c0) at pcm.c:2308
+#21 0x00000032ed08ee2b in _snd_pcm_asym_open (pcmp=0xfda3c8, name=0x7fffffffb830 &quot;default&quot;, root=0x1d1d6d0, conf=0x1bcf1c0, stream=SND_PCM_STREAM_PLAYBACK, mode=0) at pcm_asym.c:112
+#22 0x00000032ed04fa78 in snd_pcm_open_conf (pcmp=&lt;optimized out&gt;, name=0x7fffffffb830 &quot;default&quot;, pcm_root=0x1d1d6d0, pcm_conf=&lt;optimized out&gt;, stream=SND_PCM_STREAM_PLAYBACK,
+ mode=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at pcm.c:2166
+#23 0x00000032ed051fbf in snd1_pcm_open_named_slave (pcmp=0xfda3c8, name=0x7fffffffb830 &quot;default&quot;, root=0x1d1d6d0, conf=0x1bcf1c0, stream=SND_PCM_STREAM_PLAYBACK, mode=0, parent_conf=
+ 0x1bcfaa0) at pcm.c:2308
+#24 0x00000032ed07916b in _snd_pcm_empty_open (pcmp=0xfda3c8, name=0x7fffffffb830 &quot;default&quot;, root=0x1d1d6d0, conf=0x1bcfaa0, stream=SND_PCM_STREAM_PLAYBACK, mode=0) at pcm_empty.c:103
+#25 0x00000032ed04fa78 in snd_pcm_open_conf (pcmp=&lt;optimized out&gt;, name=0x7fffffffb830 &quot;default&quot;, pcm_root=0x1d1d6d0, pcm_conf=&lt;optimized out&gt;, stream=SND_PCM_STREAM_PLAYBACK,
+ mode=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at pcm.c:2166
+#26 0x00000032ed050090 in snd_pcm_open_noupdate (pcmp=0xfda3c8, root=0x1d1d6d0, name=0x7fffffffb830 &quot;default&quot;, stream=SND_PCM_STREAM_PLAYBACK, mode=0, hop=0) at pcm.c:2220
+#27 0x00000000004b98d6 in init (rate_hz=&lt;optimized out&gt;, channels=&lt;optimized out&gt;, format=9, flags=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at libao2/ao_alsa.c:475
+#28 0x00000000004b4ab5 in init_best_audio_out (ao_list=0x15cafa0, use_plugin=&lt;optimized out&gt;, rate=48000, channels=2, format=9, flags=0) at libao2/audio_out.c:169
+#29 0x00000000004aa85e in reinit_audio_chain () at mplayer.c:1661
+#30 0x00000000004ac829 in main (argc=&lt;optimized out&gt;, argv=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at mplayer.c:3622
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+<PRE>Op woensdag 19 oktober 2011 23:30:05 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
+&gt;<i> Here is a workflow proposal for bug reports in bugzilla.
+</I>[...]
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+This is ok for me, i like the resolutions as well.
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+<PRE>Thierry Vignaud skrev 20.10.2011 00:34:
+&gt;<i> On 18 October 2011 18:48, Thomas Backlund&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have updated glibc&amp; locales-* from 2.12.1 to 2.14.1 and I'll push
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> them to core/updates_testing so people can test it out but have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fallback if needed in case of regressions....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> They seem to work ok here, but you never know...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So for those brave of you, please test them out...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If no (big/real) issues are found with them I'll push them to core/release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> by the end of this week.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've seen several programs segfaulting on dlopen(), eg: mplayer
+</I>&gt;<i> See attached trace
+</I>&gt;<i> Once rollbacking to 2.12, everything is OK again
+</I>
+
+On a fully updated cauldron ?
+
+I'll recheck the buildlogs, and see if I can reproduce here.
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+Thomas
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+I think it looks great, it solves several of the Bug Squad's problems :)
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+<PRE>On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 21:36, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
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+</I>&gt;<i> is there someone who can help me understand the stage1/stage2/rescue system?
+</I>&gt;<i> or point to some docs? i've looked at it, but it seems to be sometimes one
+</I>&gt;<i> source file used for both... it's really confusing me.
+</I>
+Sources in mdk-stage1/ are used to build several binaries (including
+init, stage1 and rescue-gui)
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+images/make_boot_img is used to generate the boot images which will
+include stage1 and busybox
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+rescue/ is used to make rescue.sqfs image which contains a
+/etc/rc.sysinit which will prepare things and then run rescue-gui
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+At the end stage1, if in rescue mode, the rescue image get loaded
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+&gt;&gt;<i> I've seen several programs segfaulting on dlopen(), eg: mplayer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> See attached trace
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Once rollbacking to 2.12, everything is OK again
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+</I>&gt;<i> On a fully updated cauldron ?
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and David W. Hodgins at 19/10/11 22:13 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 09:20:35 -0400, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In testing a more extensive use of systemd (i.e. using it to mount
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> filesystems etc. rather than using rc.sysinit) I've run into a few
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> problems regarding the fact that my LVM is activated in the initrd.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm using lvm in my cauldron and Mandriva 2011 installs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have / on a primary partition, with /usr, /var, /home, /opt, and
+</I>&gt;<i> /tmp on lvm volumes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I previously had /var/log on a primary partition, but that did give
+</I>&gt;<i> me a problem with /var/log getting mounted before /var. Once I
+</I>&gt;<i> moved /var/log back into /var, mounting is ok. I have to kill
+</I>&gt;<i> plymouth for a run level 3 boot, and have run into problems with
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd timing out a mount, when an fsck has to run due to the
+</I>&gt;<i> filesystem mount count, but haven't taken the time to file bug
+</I>&gt;<i> reports on those yet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My cauldron install started out as a Mandriva 2009.1 install, updated
+</I>&gt;<i> via urpmi to 2010.2, then to Mageia 1, then to Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any info you think would be useful to figure out why it's working for
+</I>&gt;<i> me, and not on your system?
+</I>
+Because as I said at the top: &quot;In testing a more extensive use of
+systemd (i.e. using it to mount filesystems etc. rather than using
+rc.sysinit)...&quot; i.e. At the moment all the mounts are handled by
+rc.sysinit which do not try to do anything fancy whereas systemd takes a
+more in depth look at devices and waits for udev to tell it they exist
+before it tries mounting them and it's this bit that is broken (i.e. it
+doesn't know the lvm drives exist due to the missing info in the udev db).
+
+Col
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+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Day Job:
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+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Op 19-10-11 23:45, Marja van Waes schreef:
+&gt;<i> Op 19-10-11 23:30, Samuel Verschelde schreef:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here is a workflow proposal for bug reports in bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it looks great, it solves several of the Bug Squad's problems :)
+</I>
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+BTW, replacing &quot;status NEW + keyword Triaged&quot; by status &quot;TRIAGED&quot;, and
+leaving all the rest the same, would solve another problem and save time ;)
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+<PRE>Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Here is a workflow proposal for bug reports in bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I think it is really well thought out.
+Especially renaming certain statuses, to better coincide with their usage.
+The resolutions as well.
+
+Only one question :
+The &quot;NEW + triaged keyword&quot; status seems ok, but I can see Marja's point
+that it might be better to have an explicit &quot;TRIAGED&quot; status.
+What happens if the bug is not ACCEPTED, or there is no maintainer ?
+The bug is just left in this state ?
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+(Looks like you're making good use of the Libreoffice Draw flowcharting.)
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+In sum, &quot;WORKS_FOR_ME&quot; :)
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+<PRE>On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 23:30, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> CLOSED replaces RESOLVED, because I think it's nicer for the bug reporter if
+</I>&gt;<i> we &quot;close&quot; bugs rather than consider them &quot;resolved&quot; when the reason for
+</I>&gt;<i> closing is WONT-FIX, DUPLICATE, OLD, etc., statuses that obviously don't match
+</I>&gt;<i> the meaning of &quot;RESOLVED&quot;.
+</I>
+RESOLVED does match.
+
+Beware, this is a known &quot;false friend&quot; in English/French (although it
+is used in a equivalent meaning as in &quot;Je suis r&#233;solu &#224;&quot; or &quot;J'ai pris
+la ferme r&#233;solution de&quot;). To resolve is to decide firmly, not to solve
+(well, as well, but in a later meaning).
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+If the RESOLVED status in Bugzilla had been understood as &quot;SOLVED&quot;,
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+ <B>Guillaume Rousse</B>
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+<PRE>Le 20/10/2011 10:26, Romain d'Alverny a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> If the RESOLVED status in Bugzilla had been understood as &quot;SOLVED&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> then RESOLVED - FIXED would be a pleonasm.
+</I>You can solve a problem differently than fixing it, for instance by
+claiming it is not a problem, or that it is too old to really care.
+--
+BOFH excuse #138:
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+&gt;<i> Le 20/10/2011 10:26, Romain d'Alverny a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If the RESOLVED status in Bugzilla had been understood as &quot;SOLVED&quot;,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then RESOLVED - FIXED would be a pleonasm.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can solve a problem differently than fixing it, for instance by claiming
+</I>&gt;<i> it is not a problem, or that it is too old to really care.
+</I>
+That's precisely the resolution to the problem: fixed (and the
+solution is provided along here) or discarded or reported elsewhere.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/page.cgi?id=fields.html#status">https://bugs.mageia.org/page.cgi?id=fields.html#status</A> is more visual
+about this.
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+Romain
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 20 octobre 2011 06:35:32, Marja van Waes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> BTW, replacing &quot;status NEW + keyword Triaged&quot; by status &quot;TRIAGED&quot;, and
+</I>&gt;<i> leaving all the rest the same, would solve another problem and save time ;)
+</I>
++1 The less keywords we have, the better is : they are error prone.
+NEEDINFO can't be a status as it may happen everywhere in the workflow, but
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 19 octobre 2011 &#224; 23:30 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Here are the proposed Resolutions:
+</I>Another thing, what about the upstream reported bugs ?
+In Mandriva they have a status REPORTEDUPSTREAM (if the triage_guide is
+true)
+Can we do the same ?
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=triage_guide#is_it_an_issue_that_should_be_covered_by_the_mageia_bug_process">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=triage_guide#is_it_an_issue_that_should_be_covered_by_the_mageia_bug_process</A>
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+&gt;<i> On 19 October 2011 23:42, Thomas Backlund&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I've seen several programs segfaulting on dlopen(), eg: mplayer
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> See attached trace
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Once rollbacking to 2.12, everything is OK again
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On a fully updated cauldron ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes
+</I>
+Ok, I can reproduce the segfaults, so I'll try to fix it soon
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+<PRE>with the imagemagick of cauldron, this syntax does not work anymore to extract
+the icon number 8 :
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+convert 'file.ico[8]' file.png :
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+convert: unable to open image `file.ico[8]': No such file or directory @
+error/blob.c/OpenBlob/2589.
+convert: no decode delegate for this image format `file.ico[8]' @ error/constitute.c/ReadImage/532.
+convert: missing an image filename `file.png' @ error/convert.c/ConvertImageCommand/3016.
+
+This prevent wine submit as of now : <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20111020110738.zezinho.valstar.2548/log/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20111020110738.zezinho.valstar.2548/log/</A>
+
+Does anyone have a clever clue ?
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+Thanks
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+<PRE>Romain d'Alverny a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 23:30, Samuel Verschelde&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> CLOSED replaces RESOLVED, because I think it's nicer for the bug reporter if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we &quot;close&quot; bugs rather than consider them &quot;resolved&quot; when the reason for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> closing is WONT-FIX, DUPLICATE, OLD, etc., statuses that obviously don't match
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the meaning of &quot;RESOLVED&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> RESOLVED does match.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Beware, this is a known &quot;false friend&quot; in English/French (although it
+</I>&gt;<i> is used in a equivalent meaning as in &quot;Je suis r&#233;solu &#224;&quot; or &quot;J'ai pris
+</I>&gt;<i> la ferme r&#233;solution de&quot;). To resolve is to decide firmly, not to solve
+</I>&gt;<i> (well, as well, but in a later meaning).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Sorry, but I think they have the same meanings in English and French.
+Which isn't surprising, considering that it comes from French.
+[...]
+&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+In English, RESOLVED can refer to decision, solving, or something in
+between.
+
+In the context of a bug report, what are we doing ?
+Maybe we discovered what the problem was. Maybe we fixed it, maybe not.
+But whatever the reason, the action is closing the report.
+Let's avoid obtuse language,
+ and simply say CLOSED.
+It has the advantage of being able to give a clear reason of &quot;fixed&quot;,
+without any redundancy.
+
+&lt;aside&gt;
+This reminds me of proceedings at political conventions :
+&quot;Whereas ...
+and ...
+be it resolved that ...&quot;
+(Usually something that is never done.)
+&lt;/aside&gt;
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+&gt;<i> De: &quot;zezinho&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lists.jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &#192;: &quot;Mageia development mailing-list&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Objet: [Mageia-dev] imagemagick 6.7
+</I>
+I answer myself :
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+<A HREF="http://www.imagemagick.org/discourse-server/viewtopic.php?f=1&amp;t=19589#p77501">http://www.imagemagick.org/discourse-server/viewtopic.php?f=1&amp;t=19589#p77501</A>
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+So we only need to submit imagemagick-6.7.3-1 ;-)
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+<PRE>Am 19.10.2011 23:30, schrieb Samuel Verschelde:
+&gt;<i> Here is a workflow proposal for bug reports in bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See the flowchart (link below) and the explanations below. Not all statuses
+</I>&gt;<i> will be used in every bug report, but the flowchart more or less gives the
+</I>&gt;<i> standard flow for bugs reported against a stable release of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://stormi.lautre.net/fichiers/mageia/triage.png">http://stormi.lautre.net/fichiers/mageia/triage.png</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> NEW: as currently, bugs are set to this status when created
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> NEW (+ NEEDINFO keyword): more input needed
+</I>Why not set NEEDINFO keyword by default when a bug is reported and
+a triager or the maintainer removes it then if sufficient information to work
+on this bug is already present?
+
+I'd say this being a keyword and not mandatory it will be forgotten often IMHO.
+&gt;<i> NEW (+ Triaged keyword):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ACCEPTED
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IN_PROGRESS
+</I>really fine-grained but useless IMHO. If it has been triaged, there should be
+someone
+who works on that bug, and what reason would there be to not accept a bug?
+
+Just my humble opinion. If those help to ease triage, why not.
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+<PRE>Op donderdag 20 oktober 2011 00:26:54 schreef Pascal Terjan:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 21:36, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is there someone who can help me understand the stage1/stage2/rescue
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; system? or point to some docs? i've looked at it, but it seems to be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sometimes one source file used for both... it's really confusing me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sources in mdk-stage1/ are used to build several binaries (including
+</I>&gt;<i> init, stage1 and rescue-gui)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> images/make_boot_img is used to generate the boot images which will
+</I>&gt;<i> include stage1 and busybox
+</I>
+do i need to install busybox rpm before executing this script?
+
+&gt;<i> rescue/ is used to make rescue.sqfs image which contains a
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/rc.sysinit which will prepare things and then run rescue-gui
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> At the end stage1, if in rescue mode, the rescue image get loaded
+</I>&gt;<i> (from local cd, ftp, http, ...), mounted and the code is run (else
+</I>&gt;<i> same happens to stage2)
+</I>
+by any chance, do you know where i can make these rescue menuitems?
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 21:36, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is there someone who can help me understand the stage1/stage2/rescue
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; system? or point to some docs? i've looked at it, but it seems to be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sometimes one source file used for both... it's really confusing me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sources in mdk-stage1/ are used to build several binaries (including
+</I>&gt;<i> init, stage1 and rescue-gui)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> images/make_boot_img is used to generate the boot images which will
+</I>&gt;<i> include stage1 and busybox
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> rescue/ is used to make rescue.sqfs image which contains a
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/rc.sysinit which will prepare things and then run rescue-gui
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> At the end stage1, if in rescue mode, the rescue image get loaded
+</I>&gt;<i> (from local cd, ftp, http, ...), mounted and the code is run (else
+</I>&gt;<i> same happens to stage2)
+</I>
+oh and can i test this rescue.sqfs somehow (without fucking up work system) or
+need i build an iso?
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+<PRE>On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 17:40, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Op donderdag 20 oktober 2011 00:26:54 schreef Pascal Terjan:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 21:36, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; is there someone who can help me understand the stage1/stage2/rescue
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; system? or point to some docs? i've looked at it, but it seems to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; sometimes one source file used for both... it's really confusing me.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sources in mdk-stage1/ are used to build several binaries (including
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> init, stage1 and rescue-gui)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> images/make_boot_img is used to generate the boot images which will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> include stage1 and busybox
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> do i need to install busybox rpm before executing this script?
+</I>
+I would suggest that you look at the drakx-installer-images rpm dependencies
+I usually build the rpm
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> rescue/ is used to make rescue.sqfs image which contains a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /etc/rc.sysinit which will prepare things and then run rescue-gui
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> At the end stage1, if in rescue mode, the rescue image get loaded
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (from local cd, ftp, http, ...), mounted and the code is run (else
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> same happens to stage2)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> by any chance, do you know where i can make these rescue menuitems?
+</I>
+Without looking, I would say in rescue-gui.c but I may be wrong
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+&gt;<i> oh and can i test this rescue.sqfs somehow (without fucking up work system) or
+</I>&gt;<i> need i build an iso?
+</I>
+You can place it somewhere, for example accessible over ftp or http in
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+&gt;<i> Thierry Vignaud skrev 20.10.2011 02:07:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 19 October 2011 23:42, Thomas Backlund&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I've seen several programs segfaulting on dlopen(), eg: mplayer
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> See attached trace
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Once rollbacking to 2.12, everything is OK again
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On a fully updated cauldron ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, I can reproduce the segfaults, so I'll try to fix it soon
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I just submitted glibc-2.14.1-0.4.mga2 to the buildsystem, please try it
+out when it hits core/updates_testing.
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+With this I dont get any segfaults (so far...)
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+&gt;<i> Revision 156965 Author shlomif Date 2011-10-20 20:16:23 +0200 (Thu, 20 Oct
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
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+</I>&gt;<i> Fix for the GIF load Overflow ( <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3096">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3096</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>...snip..
+&gt;<i> --- updates/1/gimp/current/SPECS/gimp.spec 2011-10-20 18:11:10 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;<i> 156964)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ updates/1/gimp/current/SPECS/gimp.spec 2011-10-20 18:16:23 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;<i> 156965)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> %define name gimp
+</I>&gt;<i> %define version 2.6.11
+</I>&gt;<i> -%define release %mkrel 6
+</I>&gt;<i> +%define release %mkrel 7
+</I>&gt;<i> %define lib_major 0
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+You should use subrel when pushing new releases to stable one.
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+<PRE>Op donderdag 20 oktober 2011 19:11:07 schreef Pascal Terjan:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 17:41, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; oh and can i test this rescue.sqfs somehow (without fucking up work
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; system) or need i build an iso?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can place it somewhere, for example accessible over ftp or http in
+</I>&gt;<i> a directory called &lt;something&gt;/install/stage2, and boot an install
+</I>&gt;<i> image in a vm
+</I>
+so, then i can just use any boot.iso to do this? or does that boot.iso need to
+be built especially for this? i remember that i once tried to start install
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+<PRE>Op donderdag 20 oktober 2011 19:08:45 schreef Pascal Terjan:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 17:40, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op donderdag 20 oktober 2011 00:26:54 schreef Pascal Terjan:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 21:36, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; is there someone who can help me understand the stage1/stage2/rescue
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; system? or point to some docs? i've looked at it, but it seems to be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; sometimes one source file used for both... it's really confusing me.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Sources in mdk-stage1/ are used to build several binaries (including
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; init, stage1 and rescue-gui)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; images/make_boot_img is used to generate the boot images which will
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; include stage1 and busybox
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; do i need to install busybox rpm before executing this script?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would suggest that you look at the drakx-installer-images rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> dependencies I usually build the rpm
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; rescue/ is used to make rescue.sqfs image which contains a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; /etc/rc.sysinit which will prepare things and then run rescue-gui
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; At the end stage1, if in rescue mode, the rescue image get loaded
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (from local cd, ftp, http, ...), mounted and the code is run (else
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; same happens to stage2)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; by any chance, do you know where i can make these rescue menuitems?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Without looking, I would say in rescue-gui.c but I may be wrong
+</I>
+thanks alot for the assistance!
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+</I>&gt;<i> pushed (replaces the validated_update keyword)
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+Will changing the status automatically update the assigned, for Testing
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+<PRE>On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 20:12, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Op donderdag 20 oktober 2011 19:11:07 schreef Pascal Terjan:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 17:41, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; oh and can i test this rescue.sqfs somehow (without fucking up work
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; system) or need i build an iso?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You can place it somewhere, for example accessible over ftp or http in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a directory called &lt;something&gt;/install/stage2, and boot an install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> image in a vm
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so, then i can just use any boot.iso to do this? or does that boot.iso need to
+</I>&gt;<i> be built especially for this? i remember that i once tried to start install
+</I>&gt;<i> from older boot.iso and it didn't work...
+</I>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lists.jjorge at free.fr</A> at 20/10/11 14:20 did gyre and
+gimble:
+&gt;<i> ----- Mail original -----
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> De: &quot;zezinho&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lists.jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#192;: &quot;Mageia development mailing-list&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Objet: [Mageia-dev] imagemagick 6.7
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I answer myself :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.imagemagick.org/discourse-server/viewtopic.php?f=1&amp;t=19589#p77501">http://www.imagemagick.org/discourse-server/viewtopic.php?f=1&amp;t=19589#p77501</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So we only need to submit imagemagick-6.7.3-1 ;-)
+</I>
+Ahh, I wondered why some code I wrote a few weeks ago suddenly broke!
+
+FWIW, &quot;-delete 1--1&quot; also works to extract the first frame... similar
+logic could be used to extract the 8th frame, but I like the previous
+syntax better so will look into restoring how my old code worked :)
+
+Col
+
+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Luca Berra at 20/10/11 19:55 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> I switched from mkinitrd to dracut on all systems using lvm in order to
+</I>&gt;<i> prevent these very issues
+</I>&gt;<i> actually in mandriva i pushed for migrating to dracut
+</I>&gt;<i> i would suggest doing the same thing with mageia
+</I>
+Cool.
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+OK, so I've imported the Mandriva dracut package.
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+Look out for an announce mail and call for testing to the list shortly.
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+Cheers
+
+Col
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+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Hi,
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+Due to upcoming changes to systemd and friends we'll likely need to use
+dracut rather than mkinitrd for some setups (i.e. those with LVM volumes
+defined in /etc/fstab)
+
+It would be good if people here could test as we will likely make it the
+default at some point in the not too distant future.
+
+To test:
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+sudo -i (or su -)
+urpmi dracut
+cd /boot
+mv initrd-3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2.img initrd-old.img
+/sbin/installkernel -N 3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2
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+This should install dracut, move the existing initrd out of the way, and
+regenerate a new one using dracut. If you are using a different kernel
+version then adjust the two commands accordingly to pick the right version.
+
+Then just reboot. Hopefully all will go well and you won't notice much
+difference :)
+
+If it fails you should still be able to use the previous initrd by
+editing the grub command line and specifying the initrd-old.img file
+manually.
+
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+Cheers
+
+Col
+
+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> FWIW, &quot;-delete 1--1&quot; also works to extract the first frame... similar
+</I>&gt;<i> logic could be used to extract the 8th frame, but I like the previous
+</I>&gt;<i> syntax better so will look into restoring how my old code worked :)
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+&gt;<i> zezinho &lt;zezinho&gt; 0.7.4-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 157035
+</I>&gt;<i> - remove patches corrected upstream
+</I>&gt;<i> - fix source url
+</I>&gt;<i> - new version
+</I>
+You added a broken require:
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+A requested package cannot be installed:
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+<PRE>On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 00:29:46 +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote about [Mageia-dev]
+Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement):
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+&gt;<i>It would be good if people here could test as we will likely make it the
+</I>&gt;<i>default at some point in the not too distant future.
+</I>
+Tested with kernel-server-3.1.0-0.rc10.1.mga2, using systemd, without lvm
+volumes: booted okay, no problem.
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+Also solved a problem that gparted did not see /dev/sda5 /
+beause it was not mounted, although it was mounted as rootfs /
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+Cheers!
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+Just to try and keep our initscripts package vaguely manageable, I've
+been playing with git repositories.
+
+The upstream RedHat sources are managed in git[1] and thus it should be
+easier to migrate our patches when new versions come out.
+
+In order to get some sense of what we, Mageia, have changed from the mdv
+version we imported, I first imported the Mandriva SVN repository into
+git via git-svn[2]
+
+Using that git repository, I was able to find two specific commits
+relating to the 9.21 version that we are currently using. These two
+revisions related to the upstream 9.21 vendor branch drop into the mdv svn:
+
+commit a108114a04f1b3b7878af695565b349c8f340d96
+Author: bor &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">bor at 99302b65-d5f7-0310-b3dd-f8cd6f4e3d94</A>&gt;
+Date: Sat Nov 27 17:19:55 2010 +0000
+
+ Load initscripts-9.21 into initscripts/branches/RedHat.
+
+
+and the merge of said initscripts into the Mandriva modified branch:
+
+commit 16def7de45bfe471abb646142f6ce35cf1d0b2f0
+Author: bor &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">bor at 99302b65-d5f7-0310-b3dd-f8cd6f4e3d94</A>&gt;
+Date: Sat Nov 27 18:57:54 2010 +0000
+
+ merge in initscripts-9.21
+
+ git-svn-id:
+<A HREF="http://svn.mandriva.com/svn/soft/initscripts/trunk@271362">http://svn.mandriva.com/svn/soft/initscripts/trunk@271362</A>
+99302b65-d5f7-0310-b3dd-f8cd6f4e3d94
+
+
+
+
+In theory, the differences between these two commits is what should make
+up the &quot;initscripts-mdvconf.patch&quot; (the monster patch that adds all of
+Mandriva's modifications).
+
+So by creating a new branch (mga-9.21-patch-drop) of of the first commit
+(a108114) and applying our current version of the
+initscripts-mdvconf.patch (with some manual tweaks due to the
+replacement of the po folder with a symlink which &quot;patch&quot; didn't really
+like working with), I ended up with:
+
+commit c2d4ed5e9c953f4a6da28d772532c60c8c910fe2
+Author: Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Date: Mon Oct 17 20:57:16 2011 +0100
+
+ Apply Mageia initscripts patch.
+
+
+
+I could then compare (git diff 16def7..c2d4ed) the two versions. Apart
+from the massive ChangeLog present in the mdv branch, the differences
+were actually quite small, so I extracted these separately to a
+temporary patch which I kept for later.
+
+
+
+
+Then, I took, a fresh clone of the upstream fedora initscripts git
+repository (which I've ultimately pushed to [3]). From now on any
+references and sha1 will refer to this repository (the svn imported one
+is no longer used).
+
+I then created a branch from the upstream 9.25 commit:
+
+
+commit 4688ea25c9a5a87e48f89fc91a3c93a7c8c95b4a
+Author: Bill Nottingham &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">notting at redhat.com</A>&gt;
+Date: Fri Feb 25 15:15:29 2011 -0500
+
+ Update to 9.25-1
+
+
+and applied the current version of the initscripts-mdkconf.patch from
+Mandriva's SVN repository which had been updated to initscripts 9.25.
+
+I saved this to a new branch called mga-9.21-mdkconf which resulted in:
+
+commit be75c98a06d569fbaa2d86f92676af961795d094
+Author: Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Date: Fri Oct 21 01:28:48 2011 +0100
+
+ Add the mdkconf patch
+
+
+
+
+I then created a new branch from this called mga-9.25-branding and
+reapplied the small differences we'd made to the 9.21 version of the
+mdkconf patch which I saved above. I made a couple extra further changes
+on top of that:
+
+commit 29aae08c5860326975c91834ee9aa9560b4ef7da
+Author: Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Date: Mon Oct 17 21:38:04 2011 +0100
+
+ Apply Mageia branding patch
+
+commit 43858a6b877a6ca5e947dda16ffc11351c3a811f
+Author: Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Date: Mon Oct 17 21:41:32 2011 +0100
+
+ A few more Mageia branding changes.
+
+
+
+
+Then I created yet another branch called mga-9.25-patches, and applied
+any additional patches from the current SPEC file that were not yet applied.
+
+This resulted in the followed commits:
+
+
+commit 27994d6d04def1cb1ec9e0cc591e397eede74373
+Author: Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Date: Mon Oct 17 21:45:41 2011 +0100
+
+ Remove trailing slash in TMP/TMPDIR.
+
+ When building gcc/ecj1, TMP/TMPDIR is used and this results in debugedit
+ being unhappy.
+
+ (patch originally from svn: 77112 rtp - Remove trailing whitespace
+at the end of TMPDIR/TMP)
+
+commit 0068234306f56d9c339a0f3c395516d04635cfb8
+Author: anssi &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi at 99302b65-d5f7-0310-b3dd-f8cd6f4e3d94</A>&gt;
+Date: Sun Apr 17 11:31:24 2011 +0000
+
+ rc.sysinit: Do not use speedboot if display_driver_helper says so
+(reasons include queued dkms update later in the boot or a conflicting
+driver loaded by initrd, in which case the user is asked to reboot by
+harddrake later). This has no effect under systemd.
+
+ git-svn-id:
+svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mandriva.com/svn/soft/initscripts/trunk@272301">ssh://svn.mandriva.com/svn/soft/initscripts/trunk@272301</A>
+99302b65-d5f7-0310-b3dd-f8cd6f4e3d94
+
+commit d6df24da00ad9283e26b0ae7bda65c00f4f750cd
+Author: Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Date: Mon Oct 17 21:54:48 2011 +0100
+
+ Replace LANG with LC_ALL
+
+ <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1216">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1216</A>
+
+commit 448ff89ce545b3ad6ceb83c99fa2f0037b9b97db
+Author: Jari &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lihamakaroonilaatikko at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+Date: Mon May 23 11:44:05 2011 +0000
+
+ Fix password prompt for encrypted partitions
+
+ Bug #1290
+
+commit 5d2b37c21bd6e674969b5b0fa742fb175dde7499
+Author: Jari &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lihamakaroonilaatikko at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+Date: Mon May 23 11:46:51 2011 +0000
+
+ Limit the number of tries to unlock
+
+ Bug #1290
+
+commit d34d3fe37f4f2702bf1c58c94704c8a061681010
+Author: Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt;
+Date: Sat May 28 13:52:38 2011 +0200
+
+ run chvt with --userwait option at shutdown to avoid hanging waiting
+for chvt 1, since dm stop might have triggered a vt change as well
+details from vuntz on
+<A HREF="https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540482#c115">https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540482#c115</A> (happens on my
+laptop with Mobility Radeon 9600 M10, plymouth disabled)
+
+
+
+
+So with these three branches in place I was able to do the following:
+
+
+$ git diff initscripts-9.25-1..mga-9.25-mdkconf &gt;initscripts-mdkconf.patch
+
+This regenerated a suitable monster patch.
+
+$ git format-patch --start-number 100 mga-9.25-mdkconf..mga-9.25-branding
+
+This resulted in the following patches:
+
+0100-Apply-Mageia-branding-patch.patch
+0101-A-few-more-Mageia-branding-changes.patch
+
+and finally:
+
+$ git format-patch --start-number 200 mga-9.25-branding..mga-9.25-patches
+
+which resulted in the following patches:
+
+0200-Remove-trailing-slash-in-TMP-TMPDIR.patch
+0201-rc.sysinit-Do-not-use-speedboot-if-display_driver_he.patch
+0202-Replace-LANG-with-LC_ALL.patch
+0203-Fix-password-prompt-for-encrypted-partitions.patch
+0204-Limit-the-number-of-tries-to-unlock.patch
+0205-run-chvt-with-userwait-option-at-shutdown-to-avoid-h.patch
+
+
+
+
+These files then made up the new initscripts spec file (not yet
+committed to svn).
+
+
+
+Phew! Just wanted to document the process to make sure I've not done
+anything dumb/stupid. We can of course roll up all the small patches,
+branding, etc. into the mdkconf branch and just generate one monster
+patch in the future, but I wanted to have clear separation at least
+initially.
+
+If people want to double check this work, it would be much appreciated.
+
+
+Hope that's all clear.
+
+
+Col
+
+
+1. <A HREF="git://git.fedorahosted.org/initscripts.git">git://git.fedorahosted.org/initscripts.git</A>
+2. <A HREF="git://git.mageia.org/initscripts-mdv">git://git.mageia.org/initscripts-mdv</A>
+3. <A HREF="git://git.mageia.org/initscripts">git://git.mageia.org/initscripts</A>
+
+I recommend adding the following to your ~/.gitconfig:
+
+
+[url &quot;<A HREF="git://git.mageia.org/">git://git.mageia.org/</A>&quot;]
+ insteadof = mga:
+[url &quot;<A HREF="ssh://git.mageia.org/git/">ssh://git.mageia.org/git/</A>&quot;]
+ pushInsteadof = mga:
+
+
+This way you can do: &quot;git clone mga:initscripts&quot; or &quot;git clone
+mga:initscripts-mdv&quot;. Cloning will use the (lower overhead) git
+protocol, whereas push will use SSH (provided you have SSH commit rights
+of course).
+
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+ <B>Balcaen John</B>
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 21 octobre 2011 00:29:46 Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Due to upcoming changes to systemd and friends we'll likely need to use
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut rather than mkinitrd for some setups (i.e. those with LVM volumes
+</I>&gt;<i> defined in /etc/fstab)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It would be good if people here could test as we will likely make it the
+</I>&gt;<i> default at some point in the not too distant future.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To test:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> sudo -i (or su -)
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi dracut
+</I>&gt;<i> cd /boot
+</I>&gt;<i> mv initrd-3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2.img initrd-old.img
+</I>&gt;<i> /sbin/installkernel -N 3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This should install dracut, move the existing initrd out of the way, and
+</I>&gt;<i> regenerate a new one using dracut. If you are using a different kernel
+</I>&gt;<i> version then adjust the two commands accordingly to pick the right version.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then just reboot. Hopefully all will go well and you won't notice much
+</I>&gt;<i> difference :)
+</I>Indeed it did reboot without too much problem here with lvm for / &amp; /home.
+However i noticed that the initrd is bigger than the old mkinitrd :
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7,8M oct. 20 22:40 initrd-3.1.0-
+desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2.img
+-rw------- 1 root root 5,4M oct. 18 09:50 initrd-3.1.0-
+desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2.img-old
+
+During the creation of the initrd there's several warnings about moving
+several files to /etc/modprobe.d/ (such as the
+/etc/modprobe.conf), i noticed especially this one
+
+&#171; perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated, please
+use /etc/modprobe.d
+&#187;
+It seems this file was created to ensure transition between the 2.4 &amp; 2.6
+kernel release, maybe we can safely drop it now ?
+
+Regards,
+
+--
+Balcaen John
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Balcaen John at 21/10/11 10:44 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 21 octobre 2011 00:29:46 Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;<i> Then just reboot. Hopefully all will go well and you won't notice much
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> difference :)
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Indeed it did reboot without too much problem here with lvm for / &amp; /home.
+</I>&gt;<i> However i noticed that the initrd is bigger than the old mkinitrd :
+</I>&gt;<i> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7,8M oct. 20 22:40 initrd-3.1.0-
+</I>&gt;<i> desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2.img
+</I>&gt;<i> -rw------- 1 root root 5,4M oct. 18 09:50 initrd-3.1.0-
+</I>&gt;<i> desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2.img-old
+</I>
+Yeah, it includes more stuff (including udev itself) so it will
+ultimately create larger initrd's... Not sure there is anything we can
+do about that :s
+
+&gt;<i> During the creation of the initrd there's several warnings about moving
+</I>&gt;<i> several files to /etc/modprobe.d/ (such as the
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/modprobe.conf), i noticed especially this one
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#171; perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated, please
+</I>&gt;<i> use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> &#187;
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems this file was created to ensure transition between the 2.4 &amp; 2.6
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel release, maybe we can safely drop it now ?
+</I>
+Yeah this is from an update to module-init-tools a while back. It
+actually happens with mkinitrd too.
+
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+Jani V&#228;limaa &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jani.valimaa at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 2011/10/20 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Revision 156965 Author shlomif Date 2011-10-20 20:16:23 +0200 (Thu, 20 Oct
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Fix for the GIF load Overflow ( <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3096">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3096</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> ...snip..
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --- updates/1/gimp/current/SPECS/gimp.spec 2011-10-20 18:11:10 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 156964)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +++ updates/1/gimp/current/SPECS/gimp.spec 2011-10-20 18:16:23 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 156965)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; %define name gimp
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; %define version 2.6.11
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; -%define release %mkrel 6
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +%define release %mkrel 7
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; %define lib_major 0
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You should use subrel when pushing new releases to stable one.
+</I>
+Thanks! I'll keep that in mind.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah, it includes more stuff (including udev itself) so it will
+</I>&gt;<i> ultimately create larger initrd's... Not sure there is anything we can
+</I>&gt;<i> do about that :s
+</I>Oops, i forgot this part.
+So it's explaining why udev complains because it failed to execute
+/lib/udev/input_id/..../input1/mouse0 .
+Sorry for the noise.
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+&gt;<i>[...]
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+Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Due to upcoming changes to systemd and friends we'll likely need to use
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut rather than mkinitrd for some setups (i.e. those with LVM volumes
+</I>&gt;<i> defined in /etc/fstab)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It would be good if people here could test as we will likely make it the
+</I>&gt;<i> default at some point in the not too distant future.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To test:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> sudo -i (or su -)
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi dracut
+</I>&gt;<i> cd /boot
+</I>&gt;<i> mv initrd-3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2.img initrd-old.img
+</I>&gt;<i> /sbin/installkernel -N 3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2
+</I>
+This process works fine here on my Core i3 desktop machine with an Intel HD
+Graphics card. After I successfully boot, I can start KDE, start VLC and
+mplayer, as well as play Extreme Tux Racer (a 3-D game). The sound works.
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This should install dracut, move the existing initrd out of the way, and
+</I>&gt;<i> regenerate a new one using dracut. If you are using a different kernel
+</I>&gt;<i> version then adjust the two commands accordingly to pick the right version.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then just reboot. Hopefully all will go well and you won't notice much
+</I>&gt;<i> difference :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If it fails you should still be able to use the previous initrd by
+</I>&gt;<i> editing the grub command line and specifying the initrd-old.img file
+</I>&gt;<i> manually.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> Revision 157183 Author obgr_seneca Date 2011-10-21 10:57:16 +0200 (Fri, 21
+</I>&gt;<i> Oct 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>..snip..
+&gt;<i> URL: <A HREF="http://anjuta.sourceforge.net/">http://anjuta.sourceforge.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> -Source0:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://download.gnome.org/sources/%{name">http://download.gnome.org/sources/%{name</A>}/%{url_ver}/%{name}-%{version}.tar.xz
+</I>&gt;<i> -Patch0: anjuta-3.2.0-format-strings.patch
+</I>&gt;<i> +Source0:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/%{name">ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/%{name</A>}/%{url_ver}/%{name}-%{version}.tar.xz
+</I>
+And just after I've converted all source tags of Gnome pkgs I've
+recently updated to point download.gnome.org you changed it back to
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+&gt;<i> 2011/10/21 &#160;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Revision 157183 Author obgr_seneca Date 2011-10-21 10:57:16 +0200 (Fri, 21
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oct 2011)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ..snip..
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;URL: &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;<A HREF="http://anjuta.sourceforge.net/">http://anjuta.sourceforge.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -Source0:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://download.gnome.org/sources/%{name">http://download.gnome.org/sources/%{name</A>}/%{url_ver}/%{name}-%{version}.tar.xz
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -Patch0: &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; anjuta-3.2.0-format-strings.patch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +Source0:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/%{name">ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/%{name</A>}/%{url_ver}/%{name}-%{version}.tar.xz
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And just after I've converted all source tags of Gnome pkgs I've
+</I>&gt;<i> recently updated to point download.gnome.org you changed it back to
+</I>&gt;<i> ftp.gnome.org. :P
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Forgot to mention that download.gnome.org redicts you to a main gnome
+mirror but it's just using http instead of ftp.
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+&gt;<i> You added a broken require:
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+</I>&gt;<i> A requested package cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;<i> pingus-0.7.4-1.mga2.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied exec)
+</I>&gt;<i> Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
+</I>
+Yes, it is fixed now. The new version introduced a shell script to launch
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+&gt;<i> 2011/10/21 Jani V&#228;limaa &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jani.valimaa at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And just after I've converted all source tags of Gnome pkgs I've
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> recently updated to point download.gnome.org you changed it back to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ftp.gnome.org. :P
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Forgot to mention that download.gnome.org redicts you to a main gnome
+</I>&gt;<i> mirror but it's just using http instead of ftp.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Sorry, did you tell that on the ml? I didn't think really think about
+it, it was some kind of reflex, prefering ftp over http...
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+&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund skrev 20.10.2011 14:22:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thierry Vignaud skrev 20.10.2011 02:07:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 19 October 2011 23:42, Thomas
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Backlund&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb-odJJhXpcy38dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I've seen several programs segfaulting on dlopen(), eg: mplayer
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> See attached trace
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Once rollbacking to 2.12, everything is OK again
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On a fully updated cauldron ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ok, I can reproduce the segfaults, so I'll try to fix it soon
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just submitted glibc-2.14.1-0.4.mga2 to the buildsystem, please try it
+</I>&gt;<i> out when it hits core/updates_testing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With this I dont get any segfaults (so far...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+So, Thierry confirmed he does not get any segfaults anymore, and it's
+stable here too, so I will push it to Cauldron /release now...
+
+Please note that I have to wait until glibc-2.14.1-1.mga2 is built and
+available, before I can push locales-2.14.1-1.mga2.
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+So just wait until locales are available before you upgrade
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+&gt;<i> 2011/10/21 Jani V&#228;limaa &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jani.valimaa at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/10/21 Jani V&#228;limaa &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jani.valimaa at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And just after I've converted all source tags of Gnome pkgs I've
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> recently updated to point download.gnome.org you changed it back to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ftp.gnome.org. :P
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Forgot to mention that download.gnome.org redicts you to a main gnome
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mirror but it's just using http instead of ftp.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry, did you tell that on the ml? I didn't think really think about
+</I>&gt;<i> it, it was some kind of reflex, prefering ftp over http...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Will change it back.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+No, I didn't write about it to anywere as it isn't carved in stone to
+use download.gnome.org. But maybe we should do some carving.. :)
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+No need to commit just this one change, change it when you update pkg
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+</I>&gt;<i> So, Thierry confirmed he does not get any segfaults anymore, and it's
+</I>&gt;<i> stable here too, so I will push it to Cauldron /release now...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please note that I have to wait until glibc-2.14.1-1.mga2 is built and
+</I>&gt;<i> available, before I can push locales-2.14.1-1.mga2.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So just wait until locales are available before you upgrade
+</I>&gt;<i> (otherwise you get a suggestion to remove half the system)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+And now both are built and available on primary mirror, so they should
+soon appear on the mirrors...
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+Please remember that you _must_ reboot after it is installed for it to
+work correctly.
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+&gt;<i> sudo -i (or su -)
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi dracut
+</I>&gt;<i> cd /boot
+</I>&gt;<i> mv initrd-3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2.img initrd-old.img
+</I>&gt;<i> /sbin/installkernel -N 3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2
+</I>
+Worked ok here with lvm for /usr, /home, etc. Still affected by
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1525#c73">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1525#c73</A>
+just like mkinitrd, putting the loading of pata_acpi before
+the loading of pata_via, which makes my dvd drive unusable
+till I edit the initrd to reverse the load order.
+
+What controls the order it chooses for the loading of modules?
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+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+<PRE>On 21.10.2011 12:33, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>
+Hi!
+
+[...]
+&gt;<i> Then I created yet another branch called mga-9.25-patches, and applied
+</I>&gt;<i> any additional patches from the current SPEC file that were not yet applied.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This resulted in the followed commits:
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> commit 0068234306f56d9c339a0f3c395516d04635cfb8
+</I>&gt;<i> Author: anssi &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi at 99302b65-d5f7-0310-b3dd-f8cd6f4e3d94</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Sun Apr 17 11:31:24 2011 +0000
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> rc.sysinit: Do not use speedboot if display_driver_helper says so
+</I>&gt;<i> (reasons include queued dkms update later in the boot or a conflicting
+</I>&gt;<i> driver loaded by initrd, in which case the user is asked to reboot by
+</I>&gt;<i> harddrake later). This has no effect under systemd.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> git-svn-id:
+</I>&gt;<i> svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mandriva.com/svn/soft/initscripts/trunk@272301">ssh://svn.mandriva.com/svn/soft/initscripts/trunk@272301</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 99302b65-d5f7-0310-b3dd-f8cd6f4e3d94
+</I>
+This was already applied in mdv, you've double-applied it :)
+
+[...]
+&gt;<i> commit 448ff89ce545b3ad6ceb83c99fa2f0037b9b97db
+</I>&gt;<i> Author: Jari &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lihamakaroonilaatikko at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>[...]
+
+Off-topic, but FYI
+lihamakaronilaatikko = meat macaroni casserole ;)
+
+[...]
+&gt;<i> Phew! Just wanted to document the process to make sure I've not done
+</I>&gt;<i> anything dumb/stupid. We can of course roll up all the small patches,
+</I>&gt;<i> branding, etc. into the mdkconf branch and just generate one monster
+</I>&gt;<i> patch in the future, but I wanted to have clear separation at least
+</I>&gt;<i> initially.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If people want to double check this work, it would be much appreciated.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hope that's all clear.
+</I>
+Looks ok and nice :)
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. <A HREF="git://git.fedorahosted.org/initscripts.git">git://git.fedorahosted.org/initscripts.git</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. <A HREF="git://git.mageia.org/initscripts-mdv">git://git.mageia.org/initscripts-mdv</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. <A HREF="git://git.mageia.org/initscripts">git://git.mageia.org/initscripts</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I recommend adding the following to your ~/.gitconfig:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [url &quot;<A HREF="git://git.mageia.org/">git://git.mageia.org/</A>&quot;]
+</I>&gt;<i> insteadof = mga:
+</I>&gt;<i> [url &quot;<A HREF="ssh://git.mageia.org/git/">ssh://git.mageia.org/git/</A>&quot;]
+</I>&gt;<i> pushInsteadof = mga:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This way you can do: &quot;git clone mga:initscripts&quot; or &quot;git clone
+</I>&gt;<i> mga:initscripts-mdv&quot;. Cloning will use the (lower overhead) git
+</I>&gt;<i> protocol, whereas push will use SSH (provided you have SSH commit rights
+</I>&gt;<i> of course).
+</I>
+Thanks for the tip :)
+
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+--
+Anssi Hannula
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+&gt;<i> 21.10.2011 20:22, Thomas Backlund skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, Thierry confirmed he does not get any segfaults anymore, and it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> stable here too, so I will push it to Cauldron /release now...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please note that I have to wait until glibc-2.14.1-1.mga2 is built and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> available, before I can push locales-2.14.1-1.mga2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So just wait until locales are available before you upgrade
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (otherwise you get a suggestion to remove half the system)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And now both are built and available on primary mirror, so they should soon
+</I>&gt;<i> appear on the mirrors...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please remember that you _must_ reboot after it is installed for it to
+</I>&gt;<i> work correctly.
+</I>Hm, I'm wondering why you're not syncing glibc with cooker, these
+issues does not affect our glibc version, and even if you're still
+keen on sticking with 2.14.1, I made tons of fixes and cleanups when
+updating the glibc package in relation to glibc 2.14.90 in cooker that
+you're most like to enjoy and also make maintenance easier and size of
+glibc smaller..
+
+At least you're now aware of it if you'd happen to catch the interest.. :)
+
+--
+Regards,
+Per &#216;yvind
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+ <B>Philippe Reynes</B>
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+<PRE>Hi,
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+I've tried to use E17, but it's an old version. I've asked e17 team,
+and they answered me that E17 is &quot;rolling release&quot;. So no&#160;
+stable release (or vert vert few).&#160;
+
+I propose to package svn version, so we could be up-to-date.
+If a problem occurs, we could report it to upstream.
+
+I've started such change, for example on eina, the change is :
+
+Index: SPECS/eina.spec
+===================================================================
+--- SPECS/eina.spec &#160; &#160; (r&#233;vision 151537)
++++ SPECS/eina.spec &#160; &#160; (copie de travail)
+@@ -1,14 +1,15 @@
+&#160;%define major 1
+&#160;%define libname %mklibname %{name} %major
+&#160;%define libnamedev %mklibname %{name} -d
++%define svn r64257
+&#160;
+&#160;Summary: Data Type Library
+&#160;Name: eina
+-Version: 1.0.1
+-Release: %mkrel 2
++Version: 1.1.0
++Release: %mkrel 0.%svn.1
+&#160;License: LGPLv2+
+&#160;Group: Graphical desktop/Enlightenment
+-Source: <A HREF="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name</A>}-%{version}.tar.bz2
++Source: <A HREF="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name</A>}-%{svn}.tar.bz2
+&#160;URL: <A HREF="http://www.enlightenment.org/">http://www.enlightenment.org/</A>
+&#160;
+&#160;%description
+@@ -32,9 +33,10 @@
+&#160;%{name} development headers and libraries.
+&#160;
+&#160;%prep
+-%setup -qn %{name}-%{version}
++%setup -qn %{name}
+&#160;
+&#160;%build
++sh autogen.sh
+&#160;%configure2_5x
+&#160;%make
+
+What do you think about doing it on all E17 package ?
+
+regards,
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 19 octobre 2011 &#224; 12:41 +0200, Thierry Vignaud a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 19 October 2011 11:19, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yeah true, but that still doesn't excuse the lack of testing, especially
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in a package as complex a gdm (I've spent a lot of time updating it ot
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the latest gnome-shell version and integrating with systemd permissions
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; etc, so I know it's a somewhat &quot;temperamental&quot; package that shouldn't be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; updated blindly).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We could use sg like fedora's bodhi.
+</I>&gt;<i> uploaded packages would be in a temp repo for a week pending
+</I>&gt;<i> ACK by testers...
+</I>
+That's only when there is a release near ( ie, after the distribution is
+branched ), or for update. Not for general developpement in rawhide. And
+there isn't much participation to that, if we look at
+<A HREF="https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F16/">https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F16/</A>
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+I do not think we should aim for a completely bug free distribution on
+cauldron, as this would just push everything to updates-testing, which
+in turn would just add another layer, and make thing more complex. If
+there is risk of bug somewhere, some people will avoid it, no matter
+what we do.
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+<PRE>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Philippe Reynes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tremyfr at yahoo.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> I've tried to use E17, but it's an old version. I've asked e17 team,
+</I>&gt;<i> and they answered me that E17 is &quot;rolling release&quot;. So no
+</I>&gt;<i> stable release (or vert vert few).
+</I>&gt;<i> I propose to package svn version, so we could be up-to-date.
+</I>&gt;<i> If a problem occurs, we could report it to upstream.
+</I>&gt;<i> I've started such change, for example on eina, the change is :
+</I>&gt;<i> Index: SPECS/eina.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- SPECS/eina.spec &#160; &#160; (r&#233;vision 151537)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ SPECS/eina.spec &#160; &#160; (copie de travail)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1,14 +1,15 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%define major 1
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%define libname %mklibname %{name} %major
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%define libnamedev %mklibname %{name} -d
+</I>&gt;<i> +%define svn r64257
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Summary: Data Type Library
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Name: eina
+</I>&gt;<i> -Version: 1.0.1
+</I>&gt;<i> -Release: %mkrel 2
+</I>&gt;<i> +Version: 1.1.0
+</I>&gt;<i> +Release: %mkrel 0.%svn.1
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;License: LGPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Group: Graphical desktop/Enlightenment
+</I>&gt;<i> -Source:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name</A>}-%{version}.tar.bz2
+</I>&gt;<i> +Source: <A HREF="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name</A>}-%{svn}.tar.bz2
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;URL: <A HREF="http://www.enlightenment.org/">http://www.enlightenment.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%description
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -32,9 +33,10 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%{name} development headers and libraries.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%prep
+</I>&gt;<i> -%setup -qn %{name}-%{version}
+</I>&gt;<i> +%setup -qn %{name}
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%build
+</I>&gt;<i> +sh autogen.sh
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%configure2_5x
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%make
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think about doing it on all E17 package ?
+</I>&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> trem
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+i would add a comment on the spec file explaining how to create the
+tarball if we go to only use snapshots.
+That could help packagers to update it more often
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+<PRE>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Philippe Reynes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tremyfr at yahoo.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> I've tried to use E17, but it's an old version. I've asked e17 team,
+</I>&gt;<i> and they answered me that E17 is &quot;rolling release&quot;. So no
+</I>&gt;<i> stable release (or vert vert few).
+</I>&gt;<i> I propose to package svn version, so we could be up-to-date.
+</I>&gt;<i> If a problem occurs, we could report it to upstream.
+</I>&gt;<i> I've started such change, for example on eina, the change is :
+</I>&gt;<i> Index: SPECS/eina.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- SPECS/eina.spec &#160; &#160; (r&#233;vision 151537)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ SPECS/eina.spec &#160; &#160; (copie de travail)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1,14 +1,15 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%define major 1
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%define libname %mklibname %{name} %major
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%define libnamedev %mklibname %{name} -d
+</I>&gt;<i> +%define svn r64257
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Summary: Data Type Library
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Name: eina
+</I>&gt;<i> -Version: 1.0.1
+</I>&gt;<i> -Release: %mkrel 2
+</I>&gt;<i> +Version: 1.1.0
+</I>&gt;<i> +Release: %mkrel 0.%svn.1
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;License: LGPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Group: Graphical desktop/Enlightenment
+</I>&gt;<i> -Source:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name</A>}-%{version}.tar.bz2
+</I>&gt;<i> +Source: <A HREF="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name</A>}-%{svn}.tar.bz2
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;URL: <A HREF="http://www.enlightenment.org/">http://www.enlightenment.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%description
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -32,9 +33,10 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%{name} development headers and libraries.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%prep
+</I>&gt;<i> -%setup -qn %{name}-%{version}
+</I>&gt;<i> +%setup -qn %{name}
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%build
+</I>&gt;<i> +sh autogen.sh
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%configure2_5x
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%make
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think about doing it on all E17 package ?
+</I>
+if there is really no stable i like this so for me this is a go (
+minus my previous mail ;) )
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Luca Berra at 22/10/11 10:27 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 10/21/2011 1:28 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Luca Berra at 20/10/11 19:55 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I switched from mkinitrd to dracut on all systems using lvm in order to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> prevent these very issues
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> actually in mandriva i pushed for migrating to dracut
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i would suggest doing the same thing with mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cool.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK, so I've imported the Mandriva dracut package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Look out for an announce mail and call for testing to the list shortly.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Please drop the dracut-011-rosa-livecdfix.patch
+</I>&gt;<i> it is a piece of junk...
+</I>&gt;<i> i already removed it once but ppl at rosa added it again without
+</I>&gt;<i> commenting on its rationale...
+</I>
+Thanks for the headsup. It was actually not applied in the spec anyway,
+so I've just tidied that up.
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
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+ <B>Florian Hubold</B>
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+<PRE>Am 22.10.2011 13:34, schrieb D.Morgan:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Philippe Reynes&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tremyfr at yahoo.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've tried to use E17, but it's an old version. I've asked e17 team,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and they answered me that E17 is &quot;rolling release&quot;. So no
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> stable release (or vert vert few).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I propose to package svn version, so we could be up-to-date.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If a problem occurs, we could report it to upstream.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've started such change, for example on eina, the change is :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Index: SPECS/eina.spec
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --- SPECS/eina.spec (r&#233;vision 151537)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +++ SPECS/eina.spec (copie de travail)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -1,14 +1,15 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %define major 1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %define libname %mklibname %{name} %major
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %define libnamedev %mklibname %{name} -d
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%define svn r64257
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Summary: Data Type Library
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name: eina
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -Version: 1.0.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -Release: %mkrel 2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +Version: 1.1.0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +Release: %mkrel 0.%svn.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> License: LGPLv2+
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Group: Graphical desktop/Enlightenment
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -Source:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name</A>}-%{version}.tar.bz2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +Source: <A HREF="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name</A>}-%{svn}.tar.bz2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL: <A HREF="http://www.enlightenment.org/">http://www.enlightenment.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %description
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -32,9 +33,10 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %{name} development headers and libraries.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %prep
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -%setup -qn %{name}-%{version}
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%setup -qn %{name}
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %build
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +sh autogen.sh
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %configure2_5x
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %make
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What do you think about doing it on all E17 package ?
+</I>&gt;<i> if there is really no stable i like this so for me this is a go (
+</I>&gt;<i> minus my previous mail ;) )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Well, there are &quot;stable&quot; snapshots from time to time, but they are
+not done regularly. I'd say if we can make local builds of a newer SVN snapshot
+of the whole E17 before Mageia 2 alpha (i.e. in the next ~20 days)
+then we should at least try it.
+
+BTW: I'd remove the Source URL when only using snapshots or
+change the SPEC in a way that make using SVN snapshots possible
+by only changing a macro.
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+ <B>Balcaen John</B>
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+<PRE>Le samedi 22 octobre 2011 14:10:53 Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+[...]
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, there are &quot;stable&quot; snapshots from time to time, but they are
+</I>&gt;<i> not done regularly. I'd say if we can make local builds of a newer SVN
+</I>&gt;<i> snapshot of the whole E17 before Mageia 2 alpha (i.e. in the next ~20 days)
+</I>&gt;<i> then we should at least try it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW: I'd remove the Source URL when only using snapshots or
+</I>&gt;<i> change the SPEC in a way that make using SVN snapshots possible
+</I>&gt;<i> by only changing a macro.
+</I>That's was also suggested on irc :)
+
+Regards,
+
+--
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+<PRE>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen skrev 22.10.2011 08:21:
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+&gt;<i> Hm, I'm wondering why you're not syncing glibc with cooker, these
+</I>&gt;<i> issues does not affect our glibc version, and even if you're still
+</I>&gt;<i> keen on sticking with 2.14.1, I made tons of fixes and cleanups when
+</I>&gt;<i> updating the glibc package in relation to glibc 2.14.90 in cooker that
+</I>&gt;<i> you're most like to enjoy and also make maintenance easier and size of
+</I>&gt;<i> glibc smaller..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> At least you're now aware of it if you'd happen to catch the interest.. :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well, I consider glibc to be a critical base component, so I decided to
+stick with a stable 2.14.1 release atleast for now.
+
+Since 2.14.90 is the &quot;unstable&quot; becoming 2.15, but I dont the planned
+release schedule, and I dont want to ship Mageia 2 with an &quot;unstable&quot;
+branch.
+
+As for the fixes you have done, there are atleast some interesting ones,
+but I wanted this one out first with &quot;minimal&quot; changes to try and keep
+it stable.
+
+Now when there is a solid base the other changes can be reviewed and
+done with small steps so we detect any regressions :)
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+--
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and David W. Hodgins at 22/10/11 03:10 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 19:29:46 -0400, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sudo -i (or su -)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> urpmi dracut
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cd /boot
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mv initrd-3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2.img initrd-old.img
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /sbin/installkernel -N 3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Worked ok here with lvm for /usr, /home, etc. Still affected by
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1525#c73">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1525#c73</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> just like mkinitrd, putting the loading of pata_acpi before
+</I>&gt;<i> the loading of pata_via, which makes my dvd drive unusable
+</I>&gt;<i> till I edit the initrd to reverse the load order.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What controls the order it chooses for the loading of modules?
+</I>
+Not 100% sure what determines the order or priority here, but hopefully
+the same fix will affect both. Not 100% sure tho'.
+
+Col
+
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 22/10/11 04:56 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;&gt;<i> This resulted in the followed commits:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> commit 0068234306f56d9c339a0f3c395516d04635cfb8
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Author: anssi &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi at 99302b65-d5f7-0310-b3dd-f8cd6f4e3d94</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Date: Sun Apr 17 11:31:24 2011 +0000
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rc.sysinit: Do not use speedboot if display_driver_helper says so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (reasons include queued dkms update later in the boot or a conflicting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> driver loaded by initrd, in which case the user is asked to reboot by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> harddrake later). This has no effect under systemd.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> git-svn-id:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mandriva.com/svn/soft/initscripts/trunk@272301">ssh://svn.mandriva.com/svn/soft/initscripts/trunk@272301</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 99302b65-d5f7-0310-b3dd-f8cd6f4e3d94
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This was already applied in mdv, you've double-applied it :)
+</I>
+Ahh good catch :) I'll rebase the -patches branch and force push. While
+I don't noremally like forced pushes, I'll accept it this time around :)
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> commit 448ff89ce545b3ad6ceb83c99fa2f0037b9b97db
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Author: Jari &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lihamakaroonilaatikko at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Off-topic, but FYI
+</I>&gt;<i> lihamakaronilaatikko = meat macaroni casserole ;)
+</I>
+Ha!
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> I recommend adding the following to your ~/.gitconfig:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [url &quot;<A HREF="git://git.mageia.org/">git://git.mageia.org/</A>&quot;]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> insteadof = mga:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [url &quot;<A HREF="ssh://git.mageia.org/git/">ssh://git.mageia.org/git/</A>&quot;]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pushInsteadof = mga:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for the tip :)
+</I>
+Off topic, but if people are interested, here are my current collections
+of repos:
+
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+[url &quot;<A HREF="git://anongit.kde.org/">git://anongit.kde.org/</A>&quot;]
+ insteadOf = kde:
+[url &quot;<A HREF="ssh://git@git.kde.org/">ssh://git@git.kde.org/</A>&quot;]
+ pushInsteadOf = kde:
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+[url &quot;<A HREF="git://git.gnome.org/">git://git.gnome.org/</A>&quot;]
+ insteadof = gnome:
+[url &quot;<A HREF="ssh://git.gnome.org/git/">ssh://git.gnome.org/git/</A>&quot;]
+ pushInsteadof = gnome:
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+[url &quot;<A HREF="git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/">git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/</A>&quot;]
+ insteadof = fdo:
+[url &quot;<A HREF="ssh://git.freedesktop.org/git/">ssh://git.freedesktop.org/git/</A>&quot;]
+ pushInsteadof = fdo:
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+[url &quot;<A HREF="git://git.mageia.org/">git://git.mageia.org/</A>&quot;]
+ insteadof = mga:
+[url &quot;<A HREF="ssh://git.mageia.org/git/">ssh://git.mageia.org/git/</A>&quot;]
+ pushInsteadof = mga:
+
+Col
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>On 22 October 2011 14:05, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and David W. Hodgins at 22/10/11 03:10 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 19:29:46 -0400, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sudo -i (or su -)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> urpmi dracut
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> cd /boot
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mv initrd-3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2.img initrd-old.img
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /sbin/installkernel -N 3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Worked ok here with lvm for /usr, /home, etc. Still affected by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1525#c73">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1525#c73</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just like mkinitrd, putting the loading of pata_acpi before
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the loading of pata_via, which makes my dvd drive unusable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> till I edit the initrd to reverse the load order.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What controls the order it chooses for the loading of modules?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not 100% sure what determines the order or priority here, but hopefully
+</I>&gt;<i> the same fix will affect both. Not 100% sure tho'.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> colin(at)mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Day Job:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Open Source:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I tested and these were the results.
+
+With standard sysvinit booting the system:
+Startup and services running as normal, however system hangs at final
+shutdown/restart
+
+With systemd:
+No sound, no networkmanager without service restart, even after that
+the network would last for about 1-2 minutes the cut off. No
+shutdown/restart whatsoever, kde would close then I would be dropped
+to tty1.
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+I haven't had time to test with the old initrd and systemd to see if
+these problems are dracut or not.
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+<PRE>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Donald Stewart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">watersnowrock at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 22 October 2011 14:05, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and David W. Hodgins at 22/10/11 03:10 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 19:29:46 -0400, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sudo -i (or su -)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> urpmi dracut
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> cd /boot
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mv initrd-3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2.img initrd-old.img
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /sbin/installkernel -N 3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Worked ok here with lvm for /usr, /home, etc. Still affected by
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1525#c73">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1525#c73</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> just like mkinitrd, putting the loading of pata_acpi before
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the loading of pata_via, which makes my dvd drive unusable
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> till I edit the initrd to reverse the load order.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What controls the order it chooses for the loading of modules?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not 100% sure what determines the order or priority here, but hopefully
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the same fix will affect both. Not 100% sure tho'.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> colin(at)mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Day Job:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Open Source:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I tested and these were the results.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With standard sysvinit booting the system:
+</I>&gt;<i> Startup and services running as normal, however system hangs at final
+</I>&gt;<i> shutdown/restart
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With systemd:
+</I>&gt;<i> No sound, no networkmanager without service restart, even after that
+</I>&gt;<i> the network would last for about 1-2 minutes the cut off. No
+</I>&gt;<i> shutdown/restart whatsoever, kde would close then I would be dropped
+</I>&gt;<i> to tty1.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I haven't had time to test with the old initrd and systemd to see if
+</I>&gt;<i> these problems are dracut or not.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+if not already done, try to disable speedboot and reboot .
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+ <B>Donald Stewart</B>
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+<PRE>On 22 October 2011 15:00, D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Donald Stewart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">watersnowrock at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 22 October 2011 14:05, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and David W. Hodgins at 22/10/11 03:10 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 19:29:46 -0400, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sudo -i (or su -)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> urpmi dracut
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> cd /boot
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mv initrd-3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2.img initrd-old.img
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /sbin/installkernel -N 3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Worked ok here with lvm for /usr, /home, etc. Still affected by
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1525#c73">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1525#c73</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> just like mkinitrd, putting the loading of pata_acpi before
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the loading of pata_via, which makes my dvd drive unusable
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> till I edit the initrd to reverse the load order.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What controls the order it chooses for the loading of modules?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Not 100% sure what determines the order or priority here, but hopefully
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the same fix will affect both. Not 100% sure tho'.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> colin(at)mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Day Job:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Open Source:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I tested and these were the results.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> With standard sysvinit booting the system:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Startup and services running as normal, however system hangs at final
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> shutdown/restart
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> With systemd:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No sound, no networkmanager without service restart, even after that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the network would last for about 1-2 minutes the cut off. No
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> shutdown/restart whatsoever, kde would close then I would be dropped
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to tty1.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I haven't had time to test with the old initrd and systemd to see if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> these problems are dracut or not.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> if not already done, try to disable speedboot and reboot .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Will do, i'll report on this later, exercise and autodesk inventor on
+windows 8 are taking up some time atm.
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+<PRE>On Friday 21 October 2011, Colin Guthrie wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just to try and keep our initscripts package vaguely manageable, I've
+</I>&gt;<i> been playing with git repositories.
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+Are we moving closer to git-based builds, then?
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Donald Stewart at 22/10/11 14:58 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> I tested and these were the results.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With standard sysvinit booting the system:
+</I>&gt;<i> Startup and services running as normal, however system hangs at final
+</I>&gt;<i> shutdown/restart
+</I>
+I can confirm this too. I discovered this problem today. Tried to take a
+stab at fixing but in the end gave up as I didn't want to spend too much
+time on something that will ultimately be removed.
+
+&gt;<i> With systemd:
+</I>&gt;<i> No sound, no networkmanager without service restart, even after that
+</I>&gt;<i> the network would last for about 1-2 minutes the cut off. No
+</I>&gt;<i> shutdown/restart whatsoever, kde would close then I would be dropped
+</I>&gt;<i> to tty1.
+</I>
+Interesting. This could be related to speedboot as Dexter said.
+
+Actually in cauldron updates/testing, I've pushed new
+initscripts+systemd package. In this setup, speedboot is automatically
+disabled when systemd is used as the init system.
+
+Col
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+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> On Friday 21 October 2011, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just to try and keep our initscripts package vaguely manageable, I've
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> been playing with git repositories.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Are we moving closer to git-based builds, then?
+</I>
+Nah, this is purely for patch management which then just go into the
+spec as normal (either via &quot;git diff&quot; or via &quot;git format-patch&quot;)
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+Col
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Donald Stewart at 22/10/11 14:58 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I tested and these were the results.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> With standard sysvinit booting the system:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Startup and services running as normal, however system hangs at final
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> shutdown/restart
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can confirm this too. I discovered this problem today. Tried to take a
+</I>&gt;<i> stab at fixing but in the end gave up as I didn't want to spend too much
+</I>&gt;<i> time on something that will ultimately be removed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> With systemd:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No sound, no networkmanager without service restart, even after that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the network would last for about 1-2 minutes the cut off. No
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> shutdown/restart whatsoever, kde would close then I would be dropped
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to tty1.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Interesting. This could be related to speedboot as Dexter said.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Actually in cauldron updates/testing, I've pushed new
+</I>&gt;<i> initscripts+systemd package. In this setup, speedboot is automatically
+</I>&gt;<i> disabled when systemd is used as the init system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> colin(at)mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Day Job:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Open Source:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I will test and report later.
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+I've just pushed new initscripts+systemd packages to updates_testing.
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+In the combinations I've tested:
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+systemd+dracut initrd: Boot and Shutdown works fine.
+sysvinit+mkinitrd initrd: Boot and Shutdown works fine.
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+systemd+mkinitrd initrd: Boot fails due to not finding LVM disk.
+sysvinit+dracut initrd: Boot works, shudown/restart hangs.
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+YMMV, so please test. Make sure you're confident of restoring your
+system (e.g. via rescue CD or similar) should it be totally busted for
+you :D
+
+Col
+
+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i>Well, I consider glibc to be a critical base component, so I decided to
+</I>&gt;<i>stick with a stable 2.14.1 release atleast for now.
+</I>
+I dunno if this might be related to the new version, but I just bought a
+new laptop and installed Cauldron (now upto date), but I cannot compile the
+Realtek driver I downloaded for the wifi device:
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+When running 'make' I get all kinds of warnings like:
+base.c...warning .. expects type .. long unsigned, but argument 5 has
+type ...int... Error 2
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+Maybe it is completely unrelated, if so sorry for the noise.
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+Thanks and BFN
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 15:31:52 +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote about Re:
+</I>&gt;<i> [Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, I consider glibc to be a critical base component, so I decided to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> stick with a stable 2.14.1 release atleast for now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I dunno if this might be related to the new version, but I just bought a
+</I>&gt;<i> new laptop and installed Cauldron (now upto date), but I cannot compile the
+</I>&gt;<i> Realtek driver I downloaded for the wifi device:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When running 'make' I get all kinds of warnings like:
+</I>&gt;<i> base.c...warning .. expects type .. long unsigned, but argument 5 has
+</I>&gt;<i> type ...int... Error 2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe it is completely unrelated, if so sorry for the noise.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It's more likely you have sources that dont support kernel-3.1 series.
+
+What hw is this?
+Are you sure the kernel cant support it directly ?
+
+lspcidrake -v output would/could help...
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+--
+Thomas
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+&gt;<i>22.10.2011 19:12, Dick Gevers skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 15:31:52 +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote about Re:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Well, I consider glibc to be a critical base component, so I decided to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> stick with a stable 2.14.1 release atleast for now.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I dunno if this might be related to the new version, but I just bought a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> new laptop and installed Cauldron (now upto date), but I cannot compile
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the Realtek driver I downloaded for the wifi device:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> When running 'make' I get all kinds of warnings like:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> base.c...warning .. expects type .. long unsigned, but argument 5 has
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> type ...int... Error 2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe it is completely unrelated, if so sorry for the noise.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>It's more likely you have sources that dont support kernel-3.1 series.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>What hw is this?
+</I>&gt;<i>Are you sure the kernel cant support it directly ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>lspcidrake -v output would/could help...
+</I>
+It is a Realtek Semiconductor device 8176
+
+lspcidrake -v |grep rtl
+
+rtl8192ce: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.|Device 8176 [NETWORK_OTHER]
+(vendor:10ec device:8176 subv:10ec subd:9196) (rev: 01)
+
+lsmod shows it's there, but configuring it is a headache till now, so I
+tried to build drivers anew I found at Realtek for Linux....
+
+Appreciate any ideas !
+
+Ciao,
+=Dick Gevers=
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+ <B>Anne nicolas</B>
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+As already announced in some mailing-lists, Mageia 2 will be a bit
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+ <B>Dick Gevers</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Missing%20firmware%20%28%20was%3A%20HEADSUP%3A%20glibc-2.14.1%0A%20landing...%29&In-Reply-To=%3C201110221722.p9MHMZgU061229%40smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl%3E"
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+&gt;<i>On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 19:22:49 +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote about Re:
+</I>&gt;<i>[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>22.10.2011 19:12, Dick Gevers skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 15:31:52 +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote about Re:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Well, I consider glibc to be a critical base component, so I decided to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> stick with a stable 2.14.1 release atleast for now.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I dunno if this might be related to the new version, but I just bought a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> new laptop and installed Cauldron (now upto date), but I cannot compile
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the Realtek driver I downloaded for the wifi device:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> When running 'make' I get all kinds of warnings like:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> base.c...warning .. expects type .. long unsigned, but argument 5 has
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> type ...int... Error 2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe it is completely unrelated, if so sorry for the noise.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>It's more likely you have sources that dont support kernel-3.1 series.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>What hw is this?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>Are you sure the kernel cant support it directly ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>lspcidrake -v output would/could help...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>It is a Realtek Semiconductor device 8176
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>lspcidrake -v |grep rtl
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>rtl8192ce: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.|Device 8176 [NETWORK_OTHER]
+</I>&gt;<i>(vendor:10ec device:8176 subv:10ec subd:9196) (rev: 01)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>lsmod shows it's there, but configuring it is a headache till now, so I
+</I>&gt;<i>tried to build drivers anew I found at Realtek for Linux....
+</I>
+Perhaps I need the dkms-r8192se package... Trying now!
+
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+ <B>Thomas Backlund</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Missing%20firmware%20%28%20was%3A%20HEADSUP%3A%20glibc-2.14.1%0A%09landing...%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4EA2FD2D.9090104%40mageia.org%3E"
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+<PRE>22.10.2011 20:15, Dick Gevers skrev:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is a Realtek Semiconductor device 8176
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> lspcidrake -v |grep rtl
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> rtl8192ce: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.|Device 8176 [NETWORK_OTHER]
+</I>&gt;<i> (vendor:10ec device:8176 subv:10ec subd:9196) (rev: 01)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> lsmod shows it's there, but configuring it is a headache till now, so I
+</I>&gt;<i> tried to build drivers anew I found at Realtek for Linux....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Appreciate any ideas !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+That one should be supported.
+Can you check dmesg for any output ?
+
+you can do modprobe -r rtl8192ce &amp;&amp; modprobe rtl8192ce
+
+to genenrate output in dmesg if you dont find any ...
+
+--
+Thomas
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+<PRE>22.10.2011 20:22, Dick Gevers skrev:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:15:11 +0000, Dick Gevers wrote about [Mageia-dev]
+</I>&gt;<i> Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 19:22:49 +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote about Re:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 22.10.2011 19:12, Dick Gevers skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 15:31:52 +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote about Re:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Well, I consider glibc to be a critical base component, so I decided to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> stick with a stable 2.14.1 release atleast for now.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I dunno if this might be related to the new version, but I just bought a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> new laptop and installed Cauldron (now upto date), but I cannot compile
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the Realtek driver I downloaded for the wifi device:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> When running 'make' I get all kinds of warnings like:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> base.c...warning .. expects type .. long unsigned, but argument 5 has
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> type ...int... Error 2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe it is completely unrelated, if so sorry for the noise.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It's more likely you have sources that dont support kernel-3.1 series.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What hw is this?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Are you sure the kernel cant support it directly ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lspcidrake -v output would/could help...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It is a Realtek Semiconductor device 8176
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lspcidrake -v |grep rtl
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rtl8192ce: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.|Device 8176 [NETWORK_OTHER]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (vendor:10ec device:8176 subv:10ec subd:9196) (rev: 01)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lsmod shows it's there, but configuring it is a headache till now, so I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tried to build drivers anew I found at Realtek for Linux....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps I need the dkms-r8192se package... Trying now!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Nope.
+That package will be obsoleted by core kernel when all kernels are at
+3.1 series as the driver is added upstream.
+
+--
+Thomas
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Anne nicolas at 22/10/11 18:22 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As already announced in some mailing-lists, Mageia 2 will be a bit
+</I>&gt;<i> delayed in order to follow the major projects. See all the details
+</I>&gt;<i> here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/10/22/new-planning-for-mageia-2/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/10/22/new-planning-for-mageia-2/</A>
+</I>
+Perfect :)
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Missing%20firmware%20%28%20was%3A%20HEADSUP%3A%20glibc-2.14.1%0A%20landing...%29&In-Reply-To=%3C201110221753.p9MHrX30004826%40smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl%3E"
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+<PRE>On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 20:28:13 +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote about Re:
+[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...):
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+&gt;<i>22.10.2011 20:15, Dick Gevers skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It is a Realtek Semiconductor device 8176
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lspcidrake -v |grep rtl
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rtl8192ce: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.|Device 8176 [NETWORK_OTHER]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (vendor:10ec device:8176 subv:10ec subd:9196) (rev: 01)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lsmod shows it's there, but configuring it is a headache till now, so I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tried to build drivers anew I found at Realtek for Linux....
+</I>
+&gt;<i>That one should be supported.
+</I>&gt;<i>Can you check dmesg for any output ?
+</I>
+Not looking so good:
+
+dmesg |grep rtl
+
+rtl8192ce 0000:04:00.0: PCI INT A -&gt; GSI 18 (level, low) -&gt; IRQ 18
+rtl8192ce 0000:04:00.0: setting latency timer to 64
+rtl8192ce:rtl92c_init_sw_vars():&lt;0-0&gt; Failed to request firmware!
+rtlwifi:rtl_pci_probe():&lt;0-0&gt; Can't init_sw_vars.
+rtl8192ce 0000:04:00.0: PCI INT A disabled
+rtl8192ce 0000:04:00.0: PCI INT A -&gt; GSI 18 (level, low) -&gt; IRQ 18
+rtl8192ce 0000:04:00.0: setting latency timer to 64
+rtl8192ce:rtl92c_init_sw_vars():&lt;0-0&gt; Failed to request firmware!
+rtlwifi:rtl_pci_probe():&lt;0-0&gt; Can't init_sw_vars.
+rtl8192ce 0000:04:00.0: PCI INT A disabled
+
+I appreciate your help !
+
+Best regards,
+=Dick Gevers=
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+ <B>Thomas Backlund</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Missing%20firmware%20%28%20was%3A%20HEADSUP%3A%20glibc-2.14.1%0A%09landing...%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4EA304C5.9040604%40mageia.org%3E"
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+<PRE>22.10.2011 20:53, Dick Gevers skrev:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 20:28:13 +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote about Re:
+</I>&gt;<i> [Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 22.10.2011 20:15, Dick Gevers skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It is a Realtek Semiconductor device 8176
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lspcidrake -v |grep rtl
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> rtl8192ce: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.|Device 8176 [NETWORK_OTHER]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (vendor:10ec device:8176 subv:10ec subd:9196) (rev: 01)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lsmod shows it's there, but configuring it is a headache till now, so I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tried to build drivers anew I found at Realtek for Linux....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That one should be supported.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can you check dmesg for any output ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not looking so good:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> dmesg |grep rtl
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> rtl8192ce 0000:04:00.0: PCI INT A -&gt; GSI 18 (level, low) -&gt; IRQ 18
+</I>&gt;<i> rtl8192ce 0000:04:00.0: setting latency timer to 64
+</I>&gt;<i> rtl8192ce:rtl92c_init_sw_vars():&lt;0-0&gt; Failed to request firmware!
+</I>&gt;<i> rtlwifi:rtl_pci_probe():&lt;0-0&gt; Can't init_sw_vars.
+</I>&gt;<i> rtl8192ce 0000:04:00.0: PCI INT A disabled
+</I>&gt;<i> rtl8192ce 0000:04:00.0: PCI INT A -&gt; GSI 18 (level, low) -&gt; IRQ 18
+</I>&gt;<i> rtl8192ce 0000:04:00.0: setting latency timer to 64
+</I>&gt;<i> rtl8192ce:rtl92c_init_sw_vars():&lt;0-0&gt; Failed to request firmware!
+</I>&gt;<i> rtlwifi:rtl_pci_probe():&lt;0-0&gt; Can't init_sw_vars.
+</I>&gt;<i> rtl8192ce 0000:04:00.0: PCI INT A disabled
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I appreciate your help !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+do you have kernel-firmware-extra installed ?
+
+--
+Thomas
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+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Missing%20firmware%20%28%20was%3A%20HEADSUP%3A%20glibc-2.14.1%0A%20landing...%29&In-Reply-To=%3C201110221809.p9MI9bxl030428%40smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl%3E"
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+<PRE>On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 21:00:37 +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote about Re:
+[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...):
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+&gt;<i>22.10.2011 20:53, Dick Gevers skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 20:28:13 +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote about Re:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 22.10.2011 20:15, Dick Gevers skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It is a Realtek Semiconductor device 8176
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lspcidrake -v |grep rtl
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> rtl8192ce: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.|Device 8176 [NETWORK_OTHER]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (vendor:10ec device:8176 subv:10ec subd:9196) (rev: 01)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lsmod shows it's there, but configuring it is a headache till now, so I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tried to build drivers anew I found at Realtek for Linux....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That one should be supported.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can you check dmesg for any output ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not looking so good:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dmesg |grep rtl
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rtl8192ce 0000:04:00.0: PCI INT A -&gt; GSI 18 (level, low) -&gt; IRQ 18
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rtl8192ce 0000:04:00.0: setting latency timer to 64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rtl8192ce:rtl92c_init_sw_vars():&lt;0-0&gt; Failed to request firmware!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rtlwifi:rtl_pci_probe():&lt;0-0&gt; Can't init_sw_vars.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rtl8192ce 0000:04:00.0: PCI INT A disabled
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rtl8192ce 0000:04:00.0: PCI INT A -&gt; GSI 18 (level, low) -&gt; IRQ 18
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rtl8192ce 0000:04:00.0: setting latency timer to 64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rtl8192ce:rtl92c_init_sw_vars():&lt;0-0&gt; Failed to request firmware!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rtlwifi:rtl_pci_probe():&lt;0-0&gt; Can't init_sw_vars.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rtl8192ce 0000:04:00.0: PCI INT A disabled
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I appreciate your help !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>do you have kernel-firmware-extra installed ?
+</I>
+Oops, no, I wasn't aware I needed it. Getting it now !
+
+Thanks again !
+
+Best regards,
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+<PRE>W dniu 22.10.2011 19:22, Anne nicolas pisze:
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As already announced in some mailing-lists, Mageia 2 will be a bit
+</I>&gt;<i> delayed in order to follow the major projects. See all the details
+</I>&gt;<i> here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/10/22/new-planning-for-mageia-2/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/10/22/new-planning-for-mageia-2/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+ * Alpha 1: 2011 Nov. 16th
+ * Alpha 2: 2011 Dec. 14
+ * Alpha 3: 2012 Jan. 12
+ * Beta 1: 2012 Feb. 21
+ * Versions freeze: 2012 Mar. 7
+ * Artwork freeze: 2012 Mar. 10
+ * i18n freeze: 2012 Mar. 10
+ * Beta 2: 2012 Mar. 15
+ * Releases freeze: 2012 Apr. 7
+ * Development String freeze: 2012 Mar. 7
+
+is 7 Mar. correct?
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+ * Release Candidate: 2012 Apr. 10
+ * Final Release: 2012 May 3
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+Oliver
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+22.10.2011 21:11 schrieb am &quot;Kamil Rytarowski&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A>&gt;:
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+W dniu 22.10.2011 19:22, Anne nicolas pisze:
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As already announced in some mailing-lists, Mageia 2 will be a bit
+</I>&gt;<i> delayed in or...
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+ - Alpha 2: 2011 Dec. 14
+ - Alpha 3: 2012 Jan. 12
+ - Beta 1: 2012 Feb. 21
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+ - i18n freeze: 2012 Mar. 10
+ - Beta 2: 2012 Mar. 15
+ - Releases freeze: 2012 Apr. 7
+ - Development String freeze: 2012 Mar. 7
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+is 7 Mar. correct?
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+ - Release Candidate: 2012 Apr. 10
+ - Final Release: 2012 May 3
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+&gt;&gt;<i>do you have kernel-firmware-extra installed ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Oops, no, I wasn't aware I needed it. Getting it now !
+</I>
+And working okay now. Thanks for the pointers!
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and David W. Hodgins at 22/10/11 03:10 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 19:29:46 -0400, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sudo -i (or su -)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> urpmi dracut
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> cd /boot
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mv initrd-3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2.img initrd-old.img
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /sbin/installkernel -N 3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Worked ok here with lvm for /usr, /home, etc. Still affected by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1525#c73">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1525#c73</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just like mkinitrd, putting the loading of pata_acpi before
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the loading of pata_via, which makes my dvd drive unusable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> till I edit the initrd to reverse the load order.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What controls the order it chooses for the loading of modules?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not 100% sure what determines the order or priority here, but hopefully
+</I>&gt;<i> the same fix will affect both. Not 100% sure tho'.
+</I>
+Didn't look at this issue specifically, but automatically loaded modules
+should be loaded in the order specified in
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+generate the dep entries in the correct order for modprobe), which
+correctly contains pata_acpi after pata_via.
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+We have an apprentice candidate who is a longtime mdk/mdv and now Mageia user
+with lots of unofficial rpm packaging experience, who would like to join our team.
+So if anyone would like to mentor him, to quickly enhance our growing team, he is:
+Michael Brown (logon mcb30)
+You can find more details at:
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates</A>
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+Mentors, let me know when you take him on, and I'll update the tables for you.
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+Thanks :-)
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+----
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+Note that we now have 48 active packagers maintaining at least one package,
+with 37 maintaining at least 10, and 12 prolific packagers, maintaining at
+least 100 packages.
+This doesn't count &quot;nobody&quot;, who has fallen to second place since over a week.
+ Maintained srpms now account for almost 74% of all srpms, up from 45% 5 weeks
+ago. (According to <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/maintdb.txt,">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/maintdb.txt,</A> Saturday evening)
+We currently have about 40 apprentices.
+
+----
+
+Anyone else looking for a mentor, let me know so I can add your name as an
+apprentice candidate -- or you can do it yourself.
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates</A>
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+See also the section just above, on becoming a Mageia packager :
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#becoming_a_mageia_packager">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#becoming_a_mageia_packager</A>
+
+To find a mentor, you can also post to this list, or on IRC at freenode
+#mageia-mentoring.
+
+Regards :-)
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>Op vrijdag 21 oktober 2011 00:12:00 schreef Pascal Terjan:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 20:12, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op donderdag 20 oktober 2011 19:11:07 schreef Pascal Terjan:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 17:41, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; oh and can i test this rescue.sqfs somehow (without fucking up work
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; system) or need i build an iso?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; You can place it somewhere, for example accessible over ftp or http in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; a directory called &lt;something&gt;/install/stage2, and boot an install
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; image in a vm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; so, then i can just use any boot.iso to do this? or does that boot.iso
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; need to be built especially for this? i remember that i once tried to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; start install from older boot.iso and it didn't work...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it should
+</I>
+thanks alot for the assistance, i was able to make it work:
+
+see <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1023">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1023</A>
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+ <B>Florian Hubold</B>
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+<PRE>Am 22.10.2011 14:29, schrieb Balcaen John:
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 22 octobre 2011 14:10:53 Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, there are &quot;stable&quot; snapshots from time to time, but they are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not done regularly. I'd say if we can make local builds of a newer SVN
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> snapshot of the whole E17 before Mageia 2 alpha (i.e. in the next ~20 days)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then we should at least try it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> BTW: I'd remove the Source URL when only using snapshots or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> change the SPEC in a way that make using SVN snapshots possible
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> by only changing a macro.
+</I>&gt;<i> That's was also suggested on irc :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>So here's my try, feel free to comment:
+(Please don't care about the date format for now :) )
+
+ $ svn diff
+ Index: eina.spec
+ ===================================================================
+ --- eina.spec (Revision 157462)
+ +++ eina.spec (Arbeitskopie)
+ @@ -1,3 +1,13 @@
+ +%define svndate 23102011
+ +
+ +%define svn r64322
+ +%if %svn
+ +%define rel 0.%{svn}svn.1
+ +%else
+ +%define rel 1
+ +%endif
+ +
+ +
+ %define major 1
+ %define libname %mklibname %{name} %major
+ %define libnamedev %mklibname %{name} -d
+ @@ -4,11 +14,18 @@
+
+ Summary: Data Type Library
+ Name: eina
+ -Version: 1.0.1
+ -Release: %mkrel 2
+ +Version: 1.0.999
+ +Release: %mkrel %rel
+ License: LGPLv2+
+ Group: Graphical desktop/Enlightenment
+ +# export latest svn checkout
+ +# svn export <A HREF="http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%{name">http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%{name</A>}
+ %{name}-svn-$(date +%d%m%Y)
+ +%if %svn
+ +Source: %{name}-svn-%svndate.tar.bz2
+ +%else
+ Source: <A HREF="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name</A>}-%{version}.tar.bz2
+ +%endif
+ +
+ URL: <A HREF="http://www.enlightenment.org/">http://www.enlightenment.org/</A>
+
+ %description
+ @@ -32,9 +49,17 @@
+ %{name} development headers and libraries.
+
+ %prep
+ +%if %svn
+ +%setup -qn %{name}-svn-%svndate
+ +%else
+ %setup -qn %{name}-%{version}
+ +%endif
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+ +%if %svn
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+ <B>Philippe Reynes</B>
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+<PRE>Thanks for this feedback,
+
+here the new eina.spec with all feedbacks :
+
+&#160;Index: eina/SPECS/eina.spec
+
+===================================================================
+--- eina/SPECS/eina.spec &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;(r&#233;vision 157379)
++++ eina/SPECS/eina.spec &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;(copie de travail)
+@@ -1,18 +1,32 @@
+&#160;%define major 1
+&#160;%define libname %mklibname %{name} %major
+&#160;%define libnamedev %mklibname %{name} -d
++%define svn r64324
++%define rel 1
++%if %svn
++%define release %mkrel -c %svn %rel
++%else
++%define release %mkrel %rel
++%endif
+&#160;
+&#160;Summary: Data Type Library
+&#160;Name: eina
+-Version: 1.0.1
+-Release: %mkrel 2
++Version: 1.1.0
++Release: %{release}
+&#160;License: LGPLv2+
+&#160;Group: Graphical desktop/Enlightenment
+-Source: <A HREF="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name</A>}-%{version}.tar.bz2
+-URL: <A HREF="http://www.enlightenment.org/">http://www.enlightenment.org/</A>
++# creating archive is quite simple:
++# svn co <A HREF="http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/eina">http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/eina</A> eina
++# tar cJf eina-r&lt;svnrevision&gt;.tar.xz eina
++%if %svn
++Source: %name-%svn.tar.xz
++%else
++Source: <A HREF="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%name-%version.tar.bz2">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%name-%version.tar.bz2</A>
++%endif
++URL: <A HREF="http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Eina">http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Eina</A>
+&#160;
+&#160;%description
+-Eina is a data type library.
++Eina is a core data structure and common utility library.
+&#160;
+&#160;%package -n %libname
+&#160;Summary: Libraries for the %{name} package
+@@ -32,10 +46,17 @@
+&#160;%{name} development headers and libraries.
+&#160;
+&#160;%prep
+-%setup -qn %{name}-%{version}
++%if %svn
++%setup -qn %name
++%else
++%setup -qn %name-%version
++%endif
+&#160;
+&#160;%build
+-%configure2_5x
++%if %svn
++NOCONFIGURE=1 ./autogen.sh
++%endif
++%configure2_5x --disable-static
+&#160;%make
+&#160;
+&#160;%install
+@@ -44,18 +65,13 @@
+&#160;
+&#160;find %buildroot -name *.la | xargs rm
+&#160;
+-%clean
+-rm -fr %buildroot
+-
+&#160;%files -n %libname
+-%defattr(-,root,root)
++%doc AUTHORS README
+&#160;%{_libdir}/*.so.%{major}*
+&#160;
+&#160;%files -n %libnamedev
+-%defattr(-,root,root)
+&#160;%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/*
+&#160;%{_libdir}/*.so
+-%{_libdir}/*.a
+&#160;%{_includedir}/*
+&#160;
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+regards,
+trem
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+________________________________
+De&#160;: Florian Hubold &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt;
+&#192;&#160;: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>
+Envoy&#233; le : Dimanche 23 Octobre 2011 12h55
+Objet&#160;: Re: [Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+
+Am 22.10.2011 14:29, schrieb Balcaen John:
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 22 octobre 2011 14:10:53 Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, there are &quot;stable&quot; snapshots from time to time, but they are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not done regularly. I'd say if we can make local builds of a newer SVN
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> snapshot of the whole E17 before Mageia 2 alpha (i.e. in the next ~20 days)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then we should at least try it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> BTW: I'd remove the Source URL when only using snapshots or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> change the SPEC in a way that make using SVN snapshots possible
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> by only changing a macro.
+</I>&gt;<i> That's was also suggested on irc :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>So here's my try, feel free to comment:
+(Please don't care about the date format for now :) )
+
+&#160; $ svn diff
+&#160; Index: eina.spec
+&#160; ===================================================================
+&#160; --- eina.spec&#160; (Revision 157462)
+&#160; +++ eina.spec&#160; (Arbeitskopie)
+&#160; @@ -1,3 +1,13 @@
+&#160; +%define svndate 23102011
+&#160; +
+&#160; +%define svn r64322
+&#160; +%if %svn
+&#160; +%define rel 0.%{svn}svn.1
+&#160; +%else
+&#160; +%define rel 1
+&#160; +%endif
+&#160; +
+&#160; +
+&#160; &#160; %define major 1
+&#160; &#160; %define libname %mklibname %{name} %major
+&#160; &#160; %define libnamedev %mklibname %{name} -d
+&#160; @@ -4,11 +14,18 @@
+
+&#160; &#160; Summary: Data Type Library
+&#160; &#160; Name: eina
+&#160; -Version: 1.0.1
+&#160; -Release: %mkrel 2
+&#160; +Version: 1.0.999
+&#160; +Release: %mkrel %rel
+&#160; &#160; License: LGPLv2+
+&#160; &#160; Group: Graphical desktop/Enlightenment
+&#160; +# export latest svn checkout
+&#160; +# svn export <A HREF="http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%{name">http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%{name</A>}
+&#160; %{name}-svn-$(date +%d%m%Y)
+&#160; +%if %svn
+&#160; +Source: %{name}-svn-%svndate.tar.bz2
+&#160; +%else
+&#160; &#160; Source: <A HREF="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name</A>}-%{version}.tar.bz2
+&#160; +%endif
+&#160; +
+&#160; &#160; URL: <A HREF="http://www.enlightenment.org/">http://www.enlightenment.org/</A>
+
+&#160; &#160; %description
+&#160; @@ -32,9 +49,17 @@
+&#160; &#160; %{name} development headers and libraries.
+
+&#160; &#160; %prep
+&#160; +%if %svn
+&#160; +%setup -qn %{name}-svn-%svndate
+&#160; +%else
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+<PRE>Am 23.10.2011 14:18, schrieb Philippe Reynes:
+&gt;<i> Thanks for this feedback,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> here the new eina.spec with all feedbacks :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Index: eina/SPECS/eina.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- eina/SPECS/eina.spec (r&#233;vision 157379)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ eina/SPECS/eina.spec (copie de travail)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1,18 +1,32 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> %define major 1
+</I>&gt;<i> %define libname %mklibname %{name} %major
+</I>&gt;<i> %define libnamedev %mklibname %{name} -d
+</I>&gt;<i> +%define svn r64324
+</I>&gt;<i> +%define rel 1
+</I>&gt;<i> +%if %svn
+</I>&gt;<i> +%define release %mkrel -c %svn %rel
+</I>&gt;<i> +%else
+</I>&gt;<i> +%define release %mkrel %rel
+</I>&gt;<i> +%endif
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary: Data Type Library
+</I>&gt;<i> Name: eina
+</I>&gt;<i> -Version: 1.0.1
+</I>&gt;<i> -Release: %mkrel 2
+</I>&gt;<i> +Version: 1.1.0
+</I>&gt;<i> +Release: %{release}
+</I>&gt;<i> License: LGPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> Group: Graphical desktop/Enlightenment
+</I>&gt;<i> -Source: <A HREF="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name</A>}-%{version}.tar.bz2
+</I>&gt;<i> -URL: <A HREF="http://www.enlightenment.org/">http://www.enlightenment.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> +# creating archive is quite simple:
+</I>&gt;<i> +# svn co <A HREF="http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/eina">http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/eina</A> eina
+</I>&gt;<i> +# tar cJf eina-r&lt;svnrevision&gt;.tar.xz eina
+</I>&gt;<i> +%if %svn
+</I>&gt;<i> +Source: %name-%svn.tar.xz
+</I>&gt;<i> +%else
+</I>&gt;<i> +Source: <A HREF="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%name-%version.tar.bz2">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%name-%version.tar.bz2</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> +%endif
+</I>&gt;<i> +URL: <A HREF="http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Eina">http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Eina</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> %description
+</I>&gt;<i> -Eina is a data type library.
+</I>&gt;<i> +Eina is a core data structure and common utility library.
+</I>&gt;<i> %package -n %libname
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary: Libraries for the %{name} package
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -32,10 +46,17 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> %{name} development headers and libraries.
+</I>&gt;<i> %prep
+</I>&gt;<i> -%setup -qn %{name}-%{version}
+</I>&gt;<i> +%if %svn
+</I>&gt;<i> +%setup -qn %name
+</I>&gt;<i> +%else
+</I>&gt;<i> +%setup -qn %name-%version
+</I>&gt;<i> +%endif
+</I>&gt;<i> %build
+</I>&gt;<i> -%configure2_5x
+</I>&gt;<i> +%if %svn
+</I>&gt;<i> +NOCONFIGURE=1 ./autogen.sh
+</I>&gt;<i> +%endif
+</I>&gt;<i> +%configure2_5x --disable-static
+</I>&gt;<i> %make
+</I>&gt;<i> %install
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -44,18 +65,13 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> find %buildroot -name *.la | xargs rm
+</I>&gt;<i> -%clean
+</I>&gt;<i> -rm -fr %buildroot
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i> %files -n %libname
+</I>&gt;<i> -%defattr(-,root,root)
+</I>&gt;<i> +%doc AUTHORS README
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_libdir}/*.so.%{major}*
+</I>&gt;<i> %files -n %libnamedev
+</I>&gt;<i> -%defattr(-,root,root)
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_libdir}/pkgconfig/*
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_libdir}/*.so
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/*.a
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_includedir}/*
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> trem
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> *De :* Florian Hubold &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> *&#192; :* <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> *Envoy&#233; le :* Dimanche 23 Octobre 2011 12h55
+</I>&gt;<i> *Objet :* Re: [Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Am 22.10.2011 14:29, schrieb Balcaen John:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le samedi 22 octobre 2011 14:10:53 Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Well, there are &quot;stable&quot; snapshots from time to time, but they are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; not done regularly. I'd say if we can make local builds of a newer SVN
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; snapshot of the whole E17 before Mageia 2 alpha (i.e. in the next ~20 days)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; then we should at least try it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; BTW: I'd remove the Source URL when only using snapshots or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; change the SPEC in a way that make using SVN snapshots possible
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; by only changing a macro.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That's was also suggested on irc :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> So here's my try, feel free to comment:
+</I>&gt;<i> (Please don't care about the date format for now :) )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ svn diff
+</I>&gt;<i> Index: eina.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- eina.spec (Revision 157462)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ eina.spec (Arbeitskopie)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1,3 +1,13 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> +%define svndate 23102011
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +%define svn r64322
+</I>&gt;<i> +%if %svn
+</I>&gt;<i> +%define rel 0.%{svn}svn.1
+</I>&gt;<i> +%else
+</I>&gt;<i> +%define rel 1
+</I>&gt;<i> +%endif
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> %define major 1
+</I>&gt;<i> %define libname %mklibname %{name} %major
+</I>&gt;<i> %define libnamedev %mklibname %{name} -d
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -4,11 +14,18 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary: Data Type Library
+</I>&gt;<i> Name: eina
+</I>&gt;<i> -Version: 1.0.1
+</I>&gt;<i> -Release: %mkrel 2
+</I>&gt;<i> +Version: 1.0.999
+</I>&gt;<i> +Release: %mkrel %rel
+</I>&gt;<i> License: LGPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> Group: Graphical desktop/Enlightenment
+</I>&gt;<i> +# export latest svn checkout
+</I>&gt;<i> +# svn export <A HREF="http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%{name">http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%{name</A>}
+</I>&gt;<i> %{name}-svn-$(date +%d%m%Y)
+</I>&gt;<i> +%if %svn
+</I>&gt;<i> +Source: %{name}-svn-%svndate.tar.bz2
+</I>&gt;<i> +%else
+</I>&gt;<i> Source: <A HREF="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name</A>}-%{version}.tar.bz2
+</I>&gt;<i> +%endif
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> URL: <A HREF="http://www.enlightenment.org/">http://www.enlightenment.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> %description
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -32,9 +49,17 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> %{name} development headers and libraries.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> %prep
+</I>&gt;<i> +%if %svn
+</I>&gt;<i> +%setup -qn %{name}-svn-%svndate
+</I>&gt;<i> +%else
+</I>&gt;<i> %setup -qn %{name}-%{version}
+</I>&gt;<i> +%endif
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> %build
+</I>&gt;<i> +%if %svn
+</I>&gt;<i> +./autogen.sh
+</I>&gt;<i> +%endif
+</I>&gt;<i> %configure2_5x
+</I>&gt;<i> %make
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Don't do an svn checkout for such purposes, an svn export is much lighter
+and already excludes all the .svn internal VCS files. Also the version is not
+correct,
+eina is not at 1.1.0 as e17 is also not at version 0.17.
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+ <B>Philippe Reynes</B>
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+In fact, autogen.sh use svnversion to generate some files.
+So, if I only do an svn export, the compilation fails.
+
+I've used eina 1.1.0, because, it should be the next release.
+But I could use another &quot;version&quot;, if people prefers.
+
+
+
+________________________________
+De&#160;: Florian Hubold &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt;
+&#192;&#160;: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Envoy&#233; le : Dimanche 23 Octobre 2011 14h31
+Objet&#160;: Re: [Mageia-dev] Re : E17 packaging
+
+Am 23.10.2011 14:18, schrieb Philippe Reynes:
+&gt;<i> Thanks for this feedback,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> here the new eina.spec with all feedbacks :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; Index: eina/SPECS/eina.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- eina/SPECS/eina.spec&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; (r&#233;vision 157379)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ eina/SPECS/eina.spec&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; (copie de travail)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1,18 +1,32 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; %define major 1
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; %define libname %mklibname %{name} %major
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; %define libnamedev %mklibname %{name} -d
+</I>&gt;<i> +%define svn r64324
+</I>&gt;<i> +%define rel 1
+</I>&gt;<i> +%if %svn
+</I>&gt;<i> +%define release %mkrel -c %svn %rel
+</I>&gt;<i> +%else
+</I>&gt;<i> +%define release %mkrel %rel
+</I>&gt;<i> +%endif
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; Summary: Data Type Library
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; Name: eina
+</I>&gt;<i> -Version: 1.0.1
+</I>&gt;<i> -Release: %mkrel 2
+</I>&gt;<i> +Version: 1.1.0
+</I>&gt;<i> +Release: %{release}
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; License: LGPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; Group: Graphical desktop/Enlightenment
+</I>&gt;<i> -Source: <A HREF="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name</A>}-%{version}.tar.bz2
+</I>&gt;<i> -URL: <A HREF="http://www.enlightenment.org/">http://www.enlightenment.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> +# creating archive is quite simple:
+</I>&gt;<i> +# svn co <A HREF="http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/eina">http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/eina</A> eina
+</I>&gt;<i> +# tar cJf eina-r&lt;svnrevision&gt;.tar.xz eina
+</I>&gt;<i> +%if %svn
+</I>&gt;<i> +Source: %name-%svn.tar.xz
+</I>&gt;<i> +%else
+</I>&gt;<i> +Source: <A HREF="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%name-%version.tar.bz2">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%name-%version.tar.bz2</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> +%endif
+</I>&gt;<i> +URL: <A HREF="http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Eina">http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Eina</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; %description
+</I>&gt;<i> -Eina is a data type library.
+</I>&gt;<i> +Eina is a core data structure and common utility library.
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; %package -n %libname
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; Summary: Libraries for the %{name} package
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -32,10 +46,17 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; %{name} development headers and libraries.
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; %prep
+</I>&gt;<i> -%setup -qn %{name}-%{version}
+</I>&gt;<i> +%if %svn
+</I>&gt;<i> +%setup -qn %name
+</I>&gt;<i> +%else
+</I>&gt;<i> +%setup -qn %name-%version
+</I>&gt;<i> +%endif
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; %build
+</I>&gt;<i> -%configure2_5x
+</I>&gt;<i> +%if %svn
+</I>&gt;<i> +NOCONFIGURE=1 ./autogen.sh
+</I>&gt;<i> +%endif
+</I>&gt;<i> +%configure2_5x --disable-static
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; %make
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; %install
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -44,18 +65,13 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; find %buildroot -name *.la | xargs rm
+</I>&gt;<i> -%clean
+</I>&gt;<i> -rm -fr %buildroot
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; %files -n %libname
+</I>&gt;<i> -%defattr(-,root,root)
+</I>&gt;<i> +%doc AUTHORS README
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; %{_libdir}/*.so.%{major}*
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; %files -n %libnamedev
+</I>&gt;<i> -%defattr(-,root,root)
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; %{_libdir}/pkgconfig/*
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; %{_libdir}/*.so
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/*.a
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; %{_includedir}/*
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> trem
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> *De :* Florian Hubold &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> *&#192; :* <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> *Envoy&#233; le :* Dimanche 23 Octobre 2011 12h55
+</I>&gt;<i> *Objet :* Re: [Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Am 22.10.2011 14:29, schrieb Balcaen John:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le samedi 22 octobre 2011 14:10:53 Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Well, there are &quot;stable&quot; snapshots from time to time, but they are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; not done regularly. I'd say if we can make local builds of a newer SVN
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; snapshot of the whole E17 before Mageia 2 alpha (i.e. in the next ~20 days)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; then we should at least try it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; BTW: I'd remove the Source URL when only using snapshots or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; change the SPEC in a way that make using SVN snapshots possible
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; by only changing a macro.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That's was also suggested on irc :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> So here's my try, feel free to comment:
+</I>&gt;<i> (Please don't care about the date format for now :) )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; $ svn diff
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; Index: eina.spec
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; --- eina.spec&#160; (Revision 157462)
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; +++ eina.spec&#160; (Arbeitskopie)
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; @@ -1,3 +1,13 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; +%define svndate 23102011
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; +
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; +%define svn r64322
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; +%if %svn
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; +%define rel 0.%{svn}svn.1
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; +%else
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; +%define rel 1
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; +%endif
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; +
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; +
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; &#160; %define major 1
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; &#160; %define libname %mklibname %{name} %major
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; &#160; %define libnamedev %mklibname %{name} -d
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; @@ -4,11 +14,18 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; &#160; Summary: Data Type Library
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; &#160; Name: eina
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; -Version: 1.0.1
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; -Release: %mkrel 2
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; +Version: 1.0.999
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; +Release: %mkrel %rel
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; &#160; License: LGPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; &#160; Group: Graphical desktop/Enlightenment
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; +# export latest svn checkout
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; +# svn export <A HREF="http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%{name">http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%{name</A>}
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; %{name}-svn-$(date +%d%m%Y)
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; +%if %svn
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; +Source: %{name}-svn-%svndate.tar.bz2
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; +%else
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; &#160; Source: <A HREF="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name</A>}-%{version}.tar.bz2
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; +%endif
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; +
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; &#160; URL: <A HREF="http://www.enlightenment.org/">http://www.enlightenment.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; &#160; %description
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; @@ -32,9 +49,17 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; &#160; %{name} development headers and libraries.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; &#160; %prep
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; +%if %svn
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; +%setup -qn %{name}-svn-%svndate
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; +%else
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; &#160; %setup -qn %{name}-%{version}
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; +%endif
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; +
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; &#160; %build
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; +%if %svn
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; +./autogen.sh
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; +%endif
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; &#160; %configure2_5x
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; &#160; %make
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Don't do an svn checkout for such purposes, an svn export is much lighter
+and already excludes all the .svn internal VCS files. Also the version is not
+correct,
+eina is not at 1.1.0 as e17 is also not at version 0.17.
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+</I>&gt;<i> In fact, autogen.sh use svnversion to generate some files.
+</I>&gt;<i> So, if I only do an svn export, the compilation fails.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've used eina 1.1.0, because, it should be the next release.
+</I>&gt;<i> But I could use another &quot;version&quot;, if people prefers.
+</I>No, tarballs generated by svn export allow for normal compilation.
+Just tested for most of the EFL with a current tarball.
+
+And as we are using the real version for e package itself, i'd prefer
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+You're right, the package version isn't very good.
+I've looked in the file configure.ac, and there is a&#160;
+version: 1.0.999
+
+When in svn mode, I propose to use the version
+indicated in configure.ac. Do you agree ?
+
+About svn export, I'll try if the compilation works
+fine with it. If yes, you're right again, it's far better
+to use it.
+
+regards,
+trem
+
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+________________________________
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+&#192;&#160;: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Envoy&#233; le : Dimanche 23 Octobre 2011 16h02
+Objet&#160;: Re: [Mageia-dev] Re : Re : E17 packaging
+
+Am 23.10.2011 14:47, schrieb Philippe Reynes:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In fact, autogen.sh use svnversion to generate some files.
+</I>&gt;<i> So, if I only do an svn export, the compilation fails.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've used eina 1.1.0, because, it should be the next release.
+</I>&gt;<i> But I could use another &quot;version&quot;, if people prefers.
+</I>No, tarballs generated by svn export allow for normal compilation.
+Just tested for most of the EFL with a current tarball.
+
+And as we are using the real version for e package itself, i'd prefer
+to use the same versioning scheme throughout all of EFL.
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+I've updated (yes, yet another time ...) the eina.spec :
+
+Index: eina/SPECS/eina.spec
+===================================================================
+--- eina/SPECS/eina.spec&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; (r&#233;vision 157379)
++++ eina/SPECS/eina.spec&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; (copie de travail)
+@@ -1,18 +1,32 @@
+&#160;%define major 1
+&#160;%define libname %mklibname %{name} %major
+&#160;%define libnamedev %mklibname %{name} -d
++%define svn r64327
++%define rel 1
++%if %svn
++%define release %mkrel -c %svn %rel
++%else
++%define release %mkrel %rel
++%endif
+&#160;
+&#160;Summary: Data Type Library
+&#160;Name: eina
+-Version: 1.0.1
+-Release: %mkrel 2
++Version: 1.0.999
++Release: %{release}
+&#160;License: LGPLv2+
+&#160;Group: Graphical desktop/Enlightenment
+-Source: <A HREF="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name</A>}-%{version}.tar.bz2
+-URL: <A HREF="http://www.enlightenment.org/">http://www.enlightenment.org/</A>
++# creating archive is quite simple:
++# svn export <A HREF="http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%name">http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%name</A> %name
++# tar cJf %name-%svn.tar.xz %name
++%if %svn
++Source: %name-%svn.tar.xz
++%else
++Source: <A HREF="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%name-%version.tar.bz2">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%name-%version.tar.bz2</A>
++%endif
++URL: <A HREF="http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Eina">http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Eina</A>
+
+
+&#160;%description
+-Eina is a data type library.
++Eina is a core data structure and common utility library.
+&#160;
+&#160;%package -n %libname
+&#160;Summary: Libraries for the %{name} package
+@@ -32,10 +46,17 @@
+&#160;%{name} development headers and libraries.
+&#160;
+&#160;%prep
+-%setup -qn %{name}-%{version}
++%if %svn
++%setup -qn %name
++%else
++%setup -qn %name-%version
++%endif
+&#160;
+&#160;%build
+-%configure2_5x
++%if %svn
++NOCONFIGURE=1 ./autogen.sh
++%endif
++%configure2_5x --disable-static
+&#160;%make
+&#160;
+&#160;%install
+@@ -44,18 +65,13 @@
+&#160;
+&#160;find %buildroot -name *.la | xargs rm
+&#160;
+-%clean
+-rm -fr %buildroot
+-
+&#160;%files -n %libname
+-%defattr(-,root,root)
++%doc AUTHORS README
+&#160;%{_libdir}/*.so.%{major}*
+&#160;
+&#160;%files -n %libnamedev
+-%defattr(-,root,root)
+&#160;%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/*
+&#160;%{_libdir}/*.so
+-%{_libdir}/*.a
+&#160;%{_includedir}/*
+&#160;
+&#160;
+This version is better ?
+I can commit ?
+
+regards,
+trem
+
+
+________________________________
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+Envoy&#233; le : Dimanche 23 Octobre 2011 16h22
+Objet&#160;: [Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
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+
+Hi,
+
+You're right, the package version isn't very good.
+I've looked in the file configure.ac, and there is a&#160;
+version: 1.0.999
+
+When in svn mode, I propose to use the version
+indicated in configure.ac. Do you agree ?
+
+About svn export, I'll try if the compilation works
+fine with it. If yes, you're right again, it's far better
+to use it.
+
+regards,
+trem
+
+
+
+________________________________
+De&#160;: Florian Hubold &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt;
+&#192;&#160;: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Envoy&#233; le : Dimanche 23 Octobre 2011 16h02
+Objet&#160;: Re: [Mageia-dev] Re : Re : E17 packaging
+
+Am 23.10.2011 14:47, schrieb Philippe Reynes:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In fact, autogen.sh use svnversion to generate some files.
+</I>&gt;<i> So, if I only do an svn export, the compilation fails.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've used eina 1.1.0, because, it should be the next release.
+</I>&gt;<i> But I could use another &quot;version&quot;, if people prefers.
+</I>No, tarballs generated by svn export allow for normal compilation.
+Just tested for most of the EFL with a current tarball.
+
+And as we are using the real version for e
+ package itself, i'd prefer
+to use the same versioning scheme throughout all of EFL.
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+ <B>Remy CLOUARD</B>
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+<PRE>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:29:46AM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Due to upcoming changes to systemd and friends we'll likely need to use
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut rather than mkinitrd for some setups (i.e. those with LVM volumes
+</I>&gt;<i> defined in /etc/fstab)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It would be good if people here could test as we will likely make it the
+</I>&gt;<i> default at some point in the not too distant future.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To test:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> sudo -i (or su -)
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi dracut
+</I>&gt;<i> cd /boot
+</I>&gt;<i> mv initrd-3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2.img initrd-old.img
+</I>&gt;<i> /sbin/installkernel -N 3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2
+</I>done.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This should install dracut, move the existing initrd out of the way, and
+</I>&gt;<i> regenerate a new one using dracut. If you are using a different kernel
+</I>&gt;<i> version then adjust the two commands accordingly to pick the right version.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then just reboot. Hopefully all will go well and you won't notice much
+</I>&gt;<i> difference :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I'm sad to be the first to give bad news about that but:
+when I rebooted it didn't work.
+
+Here is the partitionning scheme I have:
+/boot 256 MB
+raid 0: 2x 60 GB
+LVM on raid
+/ on logical volume, btrfs filesystem
+
+When I boot with the dracut initrd I don't get my / mounted.
+
+Instead, after a while plymouth disappears and I get the following
+message, repeated all over the screen:
+modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting btrfs
+(/lib/modules/3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2/kernel/fs/btrfs/btrfs.ko.gz)
+Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
+
+When I run dmesg|less:
+Everything is fine until my logical volumes are active and then I get
+this message repeated over and over:
+dracut: Checking, if btrfs device complete
+
+and in the middle of this flood I get this:
+scanning for all btrfs devices
+failed to open /dev/btrfs_control skipping device registration
+scanning devices md0 for LVM volume groups
+Reading all physical volumes. This may take a while
+Found volume group &quot;kaze&quot; using metadata type lvm2
+Partial mode. Incomplete volumes will be processed
+5 logical volume(s) in volume group &quot;kaze&quot; now active
+Autoassembling MDRaid.
+
+and in the end I get
+dracut: Warning: no root device &quot;block:/dev/kaze/cauldron&quot; found
+
+So, to me the problem is neither raid nor LVM but btrfs
+
+Any idea on how to solve this issue ?
+
+In case it can be useful, here is the result of
+lsinitrd-dracut /boot/initrd.img : <A HREF="http://pastebin.com/Xe5Jhj38">http://pastebin.com/Xe5Jhj38</A>
+&gt;<i> If it fails you should still be able to use the previous initrd by
+</I>&gt;<i> editing the grub command line and specifying the initrd-old.img file
+</I>&gt;<i> manually.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Indeed, but does that mean that for the next kernel upgrade it will use
+dracut by default ? Is there a way to generate the initrd the old way ?
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> colin(at)mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Day Job:
+</I>&gt;<i> Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Open Source:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
+</I>
+Thanks in advance,
+
+Regards,
+--
+R&#233;my CLOUARD
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+<PRE>Remy CLOUARD skrev 23.10.2011 22:05:
+&gt;<i> Indeed, but does that mean that for the next kernel upgrade it will use
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut by default ? Is there a way to generate the initrd the old way ?
+</I>
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+/sbin/mkinitrd-mkinitrd ....
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+<PRE>On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Philippe Reynes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tremyfr at yahoo.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> I've updated (yes, yet another time ...) the eina.spec :
+</I>&gt;<i> Index: eina/SPECS/eina.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- eina/SPECS/eina.spec&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; (r&#233;vision 157379)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ eina/SPECS/eina.spec&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; (copie de travail)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1,18 +1,32 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%define major 1
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%define libname %mklibname %{name} %major
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%define libnamedev %mklibname %{name} -d
+</I>&gt;<i> +%define svn r64327
+</I>&gt;<i> +%define rel 1
+</I>&gt;<i> +%if %svn
+</I>&gt;<i> +%define release %mkrel -c %svn %rel
+</I>&gt;<i> +%else
+</I>&gt;<i> +%define release %mkrel %rel
+</I>&gt;<i> +%endif
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Summary: Data Type Library
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Name: eina
+</I>&gt;<i> -Version: 1.0.1
+</I>&gt;<i> -Release: %mkrel 2
+</I>&gt;<i> +Version: 1.0.999
+</I>&gt;<i> +Release: %{release}
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;License: LGPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Group: Graphical desktop/Enlightenment
+</I>&gt;<i> -Source:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name</A>}-%{version}.tar.bz2
+</I>&gt;<i> -URL: <A HREF="http://www.enlightenment.org/">http://www.enlightenment.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> +# creating archive is quite simple:
+</I>&gt;<i> +# svn export <A HREF="http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%name">http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%name</A> %name
+</I>&gt;<i> +# tar cJf %name-%svn.tar.xz %name
+</I>&gt;<i> +%if %svn
+</I>&gt;<i> +Source: %name-%svn.tar.xz
+</I>&gt;<i> +%else
+</I>&gt;<i> +Source: <A HREF="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%name-%version.tar.bz2">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%name-%version.tar.bz2</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> +%endif
+</I>&gt;<i> +URL: <A HREF="http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Eina">http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Eina</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%description
+</I>&gt;<i> -Eina is a data type library.
+</I>&gt;<i> +Eina is a core data structure and common utility library.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%package -n %libname
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Summary: Libraries for the %{name} package
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -32,10 +46,17 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%{name} development headers and libraries.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%prep
+</I>&gt;<i> -%setup -qn %{name}-%{version}
+</I>&gt;<i> +%if %svn
+</I>&gt;<i> +%setup -qn %name
+</I>&gt;<i> +%else
+</I>&gt;<i> +%setup -qn %name-%version
+</I>&gt;<i> +%endif
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%build
+</I>&gt;<i> -%configure2_5x
+</I>&gt;<i> +%if %svn
+</I>&gt;<i> +NOCONFIGURE=1 ./autogen.sh
+</I>&gt;<i> +%endif
+</I>&gt;<i> +%configure2_5x --disable-static
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%make
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%install
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -44,18 +65,13 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;find %buildroot -name *.la | xargs rm
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -%clean
+</I>&gt;<i> -rm -fr %buildroot
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%files -n %libname
+</I>&gt;<i> -%defattr(-,root,root)
+</I>&gt;<i> +%doc AUTHORS README
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%{_libdir}/*.so.%{major}*
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%files -n %libnamedev
+</I>&gt;<i> -%defattr(-,root,root)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/*
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%{_libdir}/*.so
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/*.a
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;%{_includedir}/*
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This version is better ?
+</I>&gt;<i> I can commit ?
+</I>&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> trem
+</I>
+for me this seems OK
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> this is just a headsup that x11-server-1.11.1 will be pushed to
+</I>&gt;<i> /release. It has been in updates_testing for ~2 weeks, and works ok.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So time for broadening the testing :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+or not...
+
+Turns out it does not like our new glibc-2.14 series due to
+removed rpc support upstream so it needs some more work and
+tests...
+
+So I'm delaying the push until it works correctly with new
+glibc....
+
+--
+Thomas
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+<PRE>Am 23.10.2011 19:54, schrieb D.Morgan:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Philippe Reynes&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tremyfr at yahoo.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've updated (yes, yet another time ...) the eina.spec :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Index: eina/SPECS/eina.spec
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --- eina/SPECS/eina.spec (r&#233;vision 157379)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +++ eina/SPECS/eina.spec (copie de travail)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -1,18 +1,32 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %define major 1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %define libname %mklibname %{name} %major
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %define libnamedev %mklibname %{name} -d
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%define svn r64327
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%define rel 1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%if %svn
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%define release %mkrel -c %svn %rel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%else
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%define release %mkrel %rel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%endif
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Summary: Data Type Library
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name: eina
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -Version: 1.0.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -Release: %mkrel 2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +Version: 1.0.999
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +Release: %{release}
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> License: LGPLv2+
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Group: Graphical desktop/Enlightenment
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -Source:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name</A>}-%{version}.tar.bz2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -URL: <A HREF="http://www.enlightenment.org/">http://www.enlightenment.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +# creating archive is quite simple:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +# svn export <A HREF="http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%name">http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%name</A> %name
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +# tar cJf %name-%svn.tar.xz %name
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%if %svn
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +Source: %name-%svn.tar.xz
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%else
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +Source: <A HREF="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%name-%version.tar.bz2">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%name-%version.tar.bz2</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%endif
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +URL: <A HREF="http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Eina">http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Eina</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %description
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -Eina is a data type library.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +Eina is a core data structure and common utility library.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %package -n %libname
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Summary: Libraries for the %{name} package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -32,10 +46,17 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %{name} development headers and libraries.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %prep
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -%setup -qn %{name}-%{version}
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%if %svn
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%setup -qn %name
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%else
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%setup -qn %name-%version
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%endif
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %build
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -%configure2_5x
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%if %svn
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +NOCONFIGURE=1 ./autogen.sh
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%endif
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%configure2_5x --disable-static
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %make
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -44,18 +65,13 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> find %buildroot -name *.la | xargs rm
+</I>&quot;find %buildroot -name *.a | xargs rm&quot; should be also
+added as a safeguard as you removed those from %files list, no?
+&gt;&gt;<i> -%clean
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -rm -fr %buildroot
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %files -n %libname
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -%defattr(-,root,root)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%doc AUTHORS README
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %{_libdir}/*.so.%{major}*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %files -n %libnamedev
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -%defattr(-,root,root)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %{_libdir}/pkgconfig/*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %{_libdir}/*.so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/*.a
+</I>^^ see above
+&gt;&gt;<i> %{_includedir}/*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This version is better ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can commit ?
+</I>Apart from the above, looks good.
+&gt;&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> trem
+</I>&gt;<i> for me this seems OK
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Furthermore from this i'm planning to import entrance,
+enlightenment login manager for a more complete e experience.
+Also maybe (after a little update) my e17-artwork package.
+
+BTW: You already mentioned that you're planning to work on e17
+packages, do you want to maintain those that are already there?
+And if you update some other e packages could you please tell me
+afterwards so i can take a peek, would be really nice :)
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+<PRE>On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 07:17:33 +0300
+Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On 22.10.2011 16:05, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 'Twas brillig, and David W. Hodgins at 22/10/11 03:10 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 19:29:46 -0400, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; sudo -i (or su -)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; urpmi dracut
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; cd /boot
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; mv initrd-3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2.img initrd-old.img
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; /sbin/installkernel -N 3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Worked ok here with lvm for /usr, /home, etc. Still affected by
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1525#c73">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1525#c73</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; just like mkinitrd, putting the loading of pata_acpi before
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the loading of pata_via, which makes my dvd drive unusable
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; till I edit the initrd to reverse the load order.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; What controls the order it chooses for the loading of modules?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Not 100% sure what determines the order or priority here, but hopefully
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the same fix will affect both. Not 100% sure tho'.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Didn't look at this issue specifically, but automatically loaded modules
+</I>&gt;<i> should be loaded in the order specified in
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib/modules/foo/modules.order (which I think is used by depmod to
+</I>&gt;<i> generate the dep entries in the correct order for modprobe), which
+</I>&gt;<i> correctly contains pata_acpi after pata_via.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I have a smimilar problem with all boxes with IDE drives. Up to kernels
+3.0.x, thay just worked with ata-piix, and drives were named as sdx.
+With kernel 3.1.x, they get driven by old IDE driver, and named as hdX.
+Don't know which is the reason.
+Looking at that modules.order, they look the same for both kernels.
+IDE drivers are listed first in modules.order.
+
+I have two equal boxes, in one of them I re-made initrds with --preload=ata-piix.
+Then it boots as before, sdX drives.
+In the 'good' box, lsinitrd | grep ata gives:
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+bran:/boot# lsinitrd initrd-3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2.img | grep ata
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 99345 Oct 18 07:31 lib/modules/3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2/libata.ko.gz
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3108 Oct 18 07:31 lib/modules/3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2/ata_generic.ko.gz
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8838 Oct 18 07:31 lib/modules/3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2/ata_piix.ko.gz
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2747 Oct 18 07:31 lib/modules/3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2/pata_acpi.ko.gz
+echo &quot;Loading ata-piix module&quot;
+modprobe -q ata-piix
+echo &quot;Loading libata module&quot;
+modprobe -q libata
+echo &quot;Loading pata_acpi module&quot;
+modprobe -q pata_acpi
+echo &quot;Loading ata_generic module&quot;
+modprobe -q ata_generic
+echo &quot;Loading ata_piix module&quot;
+modprobe -q ata_piix
+init
+
+In the 'bad' one:
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+lugh:/boot# lsinitrd initrd-3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2.img | grep ata
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 99345 Oct 18 07:31 lib/modules/3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2/libata.ko.gz
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2747 Oct 18 07:31 lib/modules/3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2/pata_acpi.ko.gz
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8838 Oct 18 07:31 lib/modules/3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2/ata_piix.ko.gz
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3108 Oct 18 07:31 lib/modules/3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2/ata_generic.ko.gz
+echo &quot;Loading libata module&quot;
+modprobe -q libata
+echo &quot;Loading ata_generic module&quot;
+modprobe -q ata_generic
+echo &quot;Loading pata_acpi module&quot;
+modprobe -q pata_acpi
+echo &quot;Loading ata_piix module&quot;
+modprobe -q ata_piix
+
+So for some reason ata-generic is put before SATA (reverse order from modules.order ???),
+and probably it pulls ATA piix.ko module on harware detection.
+Should not ata-piix be tried before, and use ata-generic for whatever remains without
+a responsible driver ?
+I think the initrd generation is putting the load of specific drivers _after_ the generic ones.
+
+Boot log in the good box:
+
+SCSI subsystem initialized
+libata version 3.00 loaded.
+ata_piix 0000:00:1f.1: version 2.13
+ata_piix 0000:00:1f.1: PCI INT A -&gt; GSI 18 (level, low) -&gt; IRQ 18
+ata_piix 0000:00:1f.1: setting latency timer to 64
+scsi0 : ata_piix
+scsi1 : ata_piix
+ata1: PATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0x1f0 ctl 0x3f6 bmdma 0xf000 irq 14
+ata2: PATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0x170 ctl 0x376 bmdma 0xf008 irq 15
+ata_piix 0000:00:1f.2: PCI INT A -&gt; GSI 18 (level, low) -&gt; IRQ 18
+ata_piix 0000:00:1f.2: MAP [ P0 -- P1 -- ]
+ata_piix 0000:00:1f.2: setting latency timer to 64
+scsi2 : ata_piix
+scsi3 : ata_piix
+ata3: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xc000 ctl 0xc400 bmdma 0xd000 irq 18
+ata4: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xc800 ctl 0xcc00 bmdma 0xd008 irq 18
+ata2.00: ATAPI: CD-232E, 1.0A, max UDMA/33
+ata2.00: configured for UDMA/33
+ata1.00: ATA-6: ST3120022A, 3.06, max UDMA/100
+ata1.00: 234441648 sectors, multi 16: LBA48
+ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100
+scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct-Access ATA ST3120022A 3.06 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5
+scsi 1:0:0:0: CD-ROM TEAC CD-232E 1.0A PQ: 0 ANSI: 5
+Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver
+ide-gd driver 1.18
+sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 234441648 512-byte logical blocks: (120 GB/111 GiB)
+sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
+sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
+sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
+ sda: sda1 sda2 sda3
+sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk
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+
+In the bad one:
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+Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver
+ide-gd driver 1.18
+SCSI subsystem initialized
+libata version 3.00 loaded.
+pata_acpi 0000:00:1f.1: PCI INT A -&gt; GSI 18 (level, low) -&gt; IRQ 18
+pata_acpi 0000:00:1f.1: setting latency timer to 64
+pata_acpi 0000:00:1f.1: PCI INT A disabled
+pata_acpi 0000:00:1f.2: PCI INT A -&gt; GSI 18 (level, low) -&gt; IRQ 18
+pata_acpi 0000:00:1f.2: setting latency timer to 64
+pata_acpi 0000:00:1f.2: PCI INT A disabled
+piix 0000:00:1f.1: IDE controller (0x8086:0x24db rev 0x02)
+PIIX_IDE 0000:00:1f.1: PCI INT A -&gt; GSI 18 (level, low) -&gt; IRQ 18
+piix 0000:00:1f.1: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
+PIIX_IDE 0000:00:1f.1: setting latency timer to 64
+ ide0: BM-DMA at 0xf000-0xf007
+ ide1: BM-DMA at 0xf008-0xf00f
+Probing IDE interface ide0...
+hda: ST3120022A, ATA DISK drive
+hda: host max PIO4 wanted PIO255(auto-tune) selected PIO4
+hda: UDMA/100 mode selected
+Probing IDE interface ide1...
+hdc: CD-232E, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
+hdc: host max PIO4 wanted PIO255(auto-tune) selected PIO4
+hdc: UDMA/33 mode selected
+ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
+ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
+hda: max request size: 512KiB
+hda: 234441648 sectors (120034 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=16383/255/63
+hda: cache flushes supported
+ hda: hda1 hda2 hda3
+
+lspcidrake lists ata-piix for the controller in both boxes.
+I have tried adding ata-piix in modprobe.preload, but no luck.
+Where can I put the preload for mkinitrd ?
+
+TIA
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Donald Stewart at 22/10/11 14:58 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I tested and these were the results.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> With standard sysvinit booting the system:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Startup and services running as normal, however system hangs at final
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> shutdown/restart
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can confirm this too. I discovered this problem today. Tried to take a
+</I>&gt;<i> stab at fixing but in the end gave up as I didn't want to spend too much
+</I>&gt;<i> time on something that will ultimately be removed.
+</I>
+On my system, I was able to fix the hang on shutdown by uninstalling
+vnstat.
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+If vnstat is installed, whether enabled or not, the system shutdown
+with systemd hangs after shutting down eth0.
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+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+ <B>You-Cheng Hsieh</B>
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+The new Mageia 2 planning has been posted on blog:
+<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/07/17/mageia-2-release-cycle-support-and-planning/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/07/17/mageia-2-release-cycle-support-and-planning/</A>
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+As a translator, I noticed these two dates first:
+Development String freeze: 2012 Mar. 7
+i18n freeze: 2012 Mar. 10
+
+Does string freeze mean no more new strings added in svn/transifex,
+and i18n freeze means translation deadline? Please correct me if I'm
+wrong, because 3 days is a little too short for us - would it better
+be 3 weeks (that still depends if developers change or fix string
+typos or add missing strings after string freeze).
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+Thanks,
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+You-Cheng Hsieh
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+ <B>Oliver Burger</B>
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+<PRE>2011/10/24 You-Cheng Hsieh &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">yochenhsieh at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The new Mageia 2 planning has been posted on blog:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/07/17/mageia-2-release-cycle-support-and-planning/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/07/17/mageia-2-release-cycle-support-and-planning/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As a translator, I noticed these two dates first:
+</I>&gt;<i> Development String freeze: 2012 Mar. 7
+</I>&gt;<i> i18n freeze: 2012 Mar. 10
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Does string freeze mean no more new strings added in svn/transifex,
+</I>&gt;<i> and i18n freeze means translation deadline? Please correct me if I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> wrong, because 3 days is a little too short for us - would it better
+</I>&gt;<i> be 3 weeks (that still depends if developers change or fix string
+</I>&gt;<i> typos or add missing strings after string freeze).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yes, development string freeze means no new strings are added, i18n
+freeze means translation deadline.
+And in my opinion, three days is ok. After all I don't expect so much
+string changes. If we keep up to date on the translations before,
+there shouldn't be more then about ten strings to do in those three
+days, which after all should be possible.
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+ <B>Anne nicolas</B>
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+As a reminder, first alpha for Mageia 2 is planned for 16th of
+november. This is for isos availibility. We need about 5 or 6 days to
+release isos and test it. So *every* modifications should be done for
+10th of november to be included in alpha1. But also all needed
+cleaning so that we can propose usable isos.
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+Please have a look here:
+<A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</A>
+<A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/missing.html">http://check.mageia.org/missing.html</A>
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+Some work to be done to clean this
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+Cheers
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+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
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+<PRE>On 23.10.2011 23:47, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund skrev 23.10.2011 22:59:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this is just a headsup that x11-server-1.11.1 will be pushed to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /release. It has been in updates_testing for ~2 weeks, and works ok.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So time for broadening the testing :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> or not...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Turns out it does not like our new glibc-2.14 series due to
+</I>&gt;<i> removed rpc support upstream so it needs some more work and
+</I>&gt;<i> tests...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I'm delaying the push until it works correctly with new
+</I>&gt;<i> glibc....
+</I>
+Could you please disable fglrx at least in ldetect-lst when you do, then
+(it doesn't have 1.11 support just yet)?
+
+--
+Anssi Hannula
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+&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund skrev 23.10.2011 22:59:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this is just a headsup that x11-server-1.11.1 will be pushed to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /release. It has been in updates_testing for ~2 weeks, and works ok.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So time for broadening the testing :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> or not...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Turns out it does not like our new glibc-2.14 series due to
+</I>&gt;<i> removed rpc support upstream so it needs some more work and
+</I>&gt;<i> tests...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I'm delaying the push until it works correctly with new
+</I>&gt;<i> glibc....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+i have a fixed from opensuse ( and fedora uses the same in the big
+fedora patch ) I compile and commit.
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+<PRE>D.Morgan skrev 24.10.2011 15:41:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Thomas Backlund&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund skrev 23.10.2011 22:59:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this is just a headsup that x11-server-1.11.1 will be pushed to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /release. It has been in updates_testing for ~2 weeks, and works ok.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So time for broadening the testing :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or not...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Turns out it does not like our new glibc-2.14 series due to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> removed rpc support upstream so it needs some more work and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tests...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So I'm delaying the push until it works correctly with new
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> glibc....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i have a fixed from opensuse ( and fedora uses the same in the big
+</I>&gt;<i> fedora patch ) I compile and commit.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+To glibc restoring rpc?
+
+or x11-server to work with libtirpc ?
+
+--
+Thomas
+
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+<PRE>On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> D.Morgan skrev 24.10.2011 15:41:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Thomas Backlund&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; &#160;wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund skrev 23.10.2011 22:59:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this is just a headsup that x11-server-1.11.1 will be pushed to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /release. It has been in updates_testing for ~2 weeks, and works ok.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So time for broadening the testing :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> or not...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Turns out it does not like our new glibc-2.14 series due to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> removed rpc support upstream so it needs some more work and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tests...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So I'm delaying the push until it works correctly with new
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> glibc....
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i have a fixed from opensuse ( and fedora uses the same in the big
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fedora patch ) I compile and commit.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To glibc restoring rpc?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> or x11-server to work with libtirpc ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+glibc restoring rpc
+bt xserver isn't the only one needing rpc ( watchdog is one more just
+discovered before today )
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Thomas Backlund&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To glibc restoring rpc?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or x11-server to work with libtirpc ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> glibc restoring rpc
+</I>&gt;<i> bt xserver isn't the only one needing rpc ( watchdog is one more just
+</I>&gt;<i> discovered before today )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yeah,
+It was a bit premature for upstream glibc to drop rpc since libtirpc
+isn't finished yet.
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+<PRE>Anssi Hannula skrev 24.10.2011 13:32:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could you please disable fglrx at least in ldetect-lst when you do, then
+</I>&gt;<i> (it doesn't have 1.11 support just yet)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Ouch,
+I thought it already did....
+
+Do you know when the support is coming ?
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+&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some work to be done to clean this
+</I>tried to update pino to clean this, but it fail and I don't have the
+knowledge to fix it
+(I took the Fedora package)
+If someone can take care of it :
+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20111024150623.philippem.valstar.22039/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20111024150623.philippem.valstar.22039/</A>
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+<PRE>On 24.10.2011 17:33, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula skrev 24.10.2011 13:32:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Could you please disable fglrx at least in ldetect-lst when you do, then
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (it doesn't have 1.11 support just yet)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ouch,
+</I>&gt;<i> I thought it already did....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you know when the support is coming ?
+</I>
+Unfortunately I can't tell that in public :(
+
+--
+Anssi Hannula
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+
+entrance seems to be the old login manager, new one is elsa.
+(if I don't mistake).
+I've planned to work on e17, not really to maintain myself all e17.
+
+Right now, I've reworked :&#160;
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+my @packages = ( &quot;eina&quot; , &quot;eet&quot; , &quot;evas&quot; , &quot;ecore&quot; , &quot;embryo&quot; ,&#160;
+&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;&quot;edje&quot; , &quot;efreet&quot; , &quot;e_dbus&quot; , &quot;eeze&quot; ,&#160;
+&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;&quot;elementary&quot; , &quot;e&quot; , &quot;exalt&quot; , &quot;emotion&quot;,&#160;
+&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;&quot;ethumb&quot; , &quot;emprint&quot; , &quot;eweather&quot; , &quot;e_modules&quot; );
+
+(Yes, it's a copy/paste from a script I use to compile all e17&#160;
+related package).
+
+regards,
+trem
+
+
+
+________________________________
+De&#160;: Florian Hubold &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt;
+&#192;&#160;: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>
+Envoy&#233; le : Dimanche 23 Octobre 2011 23h44
+Objet&#160;: Re: [Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+
+Am 23.10.2011 19:54, schrieb D.Morgan:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Philippe Reynes&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tremyfr at yahoo.fr</A>&gt;&#160; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've updated (yes, yet another time ...) the eina.spec :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Index: eina/SPECS/eina.spec
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --- eina/SPECS/eina.spec&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; (r&#233;vision 157379)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +++ eina/SPECS/eina.spec&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; (copie de travail)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -1,18 +1,32 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>&#160; %define major 1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>&#160; %define libname %mklibname %{name} %major
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>&#160; %define libnamedev %mklibname %{name} -d
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%define svn r64327
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%define rel 1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%if %svn
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%define release %mkrel -c %svn %rel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%else
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%define release %mkrel %rel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%endif
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>&#160; Summary: Data Type Library
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>&#160; Name: eina
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -Version: 1.0.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -Release: %mkrel 2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +Version: 1.0.999
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +Release: %{release}
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>&#160; License: LGPLv2+
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>&#160; Group: Graphical desktop/Enlightenment
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -Source:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name</A>}-%{version}.tar.bz2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -URL: <A HREF="http://www.enlightenment.org/">http://www.enlightenment.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +# creating archive is quite simple:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +# svn export <A HREF="http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%name">http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%name</A> %name
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +# tar cJf %name-%svn.tar.xz %name
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%if %svn
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +Source: %name-%svn.tar.xz
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%else
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +Source: <A HREF="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%name-%version.tar.bz2">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%name-%version.tar.bz2</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%endif
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +URL: <A HREF="http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Eina">http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Eina</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>&#160; %description
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -Eina is a data type library.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +Eina is a core data structure and common utility library.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>&#160; %package -n %libname
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>&#160; Summary: Libraries for the %{name} package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -32,10 +46,17 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>&#160; %{name} development headers and libraries.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>&#160; %prep
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -%setup -qn %{name}-%{version}
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%if %svn
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%setup -qn %name
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%else
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%setup -qn %name-%version
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%endif
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>&#160; %build
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -%configure2_5x
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%if %svn
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +NOCONFIGURE=1 ./autogen.sh
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%endif
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%configure2_5x --disable-static
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>&#160; %make
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>&#160; %install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -44,18 +65,13 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>&#160; find %buildroot -name *.la | xargs rm
+</I>&quot;find %buildroot -name *.a | xargs rm&quot; should be also
+added as a safeguard as you removed those from %files list, no?
+&gt;&gt;<i> -%clean
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -rm -fr %buildroot
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>&#160; %files -n %libname
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -%defattr(-,root,root)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%doc AUTHORS README
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>&#160; %{_libdir}/*.so.%{major}*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>&#160; %files -n %libnamedev
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -%defattr(-,root,root)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>&#160; %{_libdir}/pkgconfig/*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>&#160; %{_libdir}/*.so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/*.a
+</I>^^ see above
+&gt;&gt;<i>&#160; %{_includedir}/*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This version is better ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can commit ?
+</I>Apart from the above, looks good.
+&gt;&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> trem
+</I>&gt;<i> for me this seems OK
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Furthermore from this i'm planning to import entrance,
+enlightenment login manager for a more complete e experience.
+Also maybe (after a little update) my e17-artwork package.
+
+BTW: You already mentioned that you're planning to work on e17
+packages, do you want to maintain those that are already there?
+And if you update some other e packages could you please tell me
+afterwards so i can take a peek, would be really nice :)
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+&gt;<i> Hi there
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+</I>&gt;<i> As a reminder, first alpha for Mageia 2 is planned for 16th of
+</I>&gt;<i> november. This is for isos availibility. We need about 5 or 6 days to
+</I>&gt;<i> release isos and test it. So *every* modifications should be done for
+</I>&gt;<i> 10th of november to be included in alpha1.
+</I>[...]
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+Can someone take a look on <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1023">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1023</A> ? i'd
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+<PRE>Am 24.10.2011 18:26, schrieb Philippe Reynes:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> entrance seems to be the old login manager, new one is elsa.
+</I>&gt;<i> (if I don't mistake).
+</I>&gt;<i> I've planned to work on e17, not really to maintain myself all e17.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Right now, I've reworked :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> my @packages = ( &quot;eina&quot; , &quot;eet&quot; , &quot;evas&quot; , &quot;ecore&quot; , &quot;embryo&quot; ,
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;edje&quot; , &quot;efreet&quot; , &quot;e_dbus&quot; , &quot;eeze&quot; ,
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;elementary&quot; , &quot;e&quot; , &quot;exalt&quot; , &quot;emotion&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;ethumb&quot; , &quot;emprint&quot; , &quot;eweather&quot; , &quot;e_modules&quot; );
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (Yes, it's a copy/paste from a script I use to compile all e17
+</I>&gt;<i> related package).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> trem
+</I>Sorry, no time recently to check back with e development, so if you say so.
+Just wondered why entrance was removed from their svn from OLD/ folder.
+
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+BTW: It would be nice if you could only quote what is needed and not
+quote the mail you reply to in full, and please don't top-post.
+That is basic netiquette some people seem to miss often :(
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+&gt;<i> Remy CLOUARD skrev 23.10.2011 22:05:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Indeed, but does that mean that for the next kernel upgrade it will use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dracut by default ? Is there a way to generate the initrd the old way ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /sbin/mkinitrd-mkinitrd ....
+</I>
+update-alternatives --display mkinitrd
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+You can then use update-alternatives to set your preferred initrd. Or
+just remove the dracut rpm.
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>On 25.10.2011 16:20, Mageia Team wrote:
+&gt;<i> Name : freetype2 Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 2.4.4 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 5.3.mga1.nonfree Build Date: Tue Oct 25 15:18:27 2011
+</I>
+Does not belong in nonfree, probably tainted was intended.
+
+&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : System/Libraries Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 1727125 License: FreeType License/GPL
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.freetype.org/">http://www.freetype.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : A free and portable TrueType font rendering engine
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> The FreeType2 engine is a free and portable TrueType font rendering engine.
+</I>&gt;<i> It has been developed to provide TT support to a great variety of
+</I>&gt;<i> platforms and environments. Note that FreeType2 is a library, not a
+</I>&gt;<i> stand-alone application, though some utility applications are included
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 2.4.4-5.3.mga1:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 158033
+</I>&gt;<i> - add upstream patch to fix CVE-2011-3256
+</I>&gt;<i> - new version 2.4.6 (fix CVE-2011-0226)
+</I>&gt;<i> - drop merged autohint patch
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> + dmorgan &lt;dmorgan&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Revert to version 2.4.4
+</I>&gt;<i> Add patch to fix CVE-2011-0226
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> + ahmad &lt;ahmad&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Enable tainted build
+</I>&gt;<i> - Adapt the package(s) descriptions
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+ <B>Funda Wang</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%201%20nonfree/updates_testing%0A%09freetype2-2.4.4-5.3.mga1.nonfree&In-Reply-To=%3CCAOfq2QTw0e1KsZigpz0q2j3yn5rjwASxjxyGQn7H-xG-ZssSrg%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+<PRE>2011/10/25, Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 25.10.2011 16:20, Mageia Team wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : freetype2 Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 2.4.4 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 5.3.mga1.nonfree Build Date: Tue Oct 25
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 15:18:27 2011
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Does not belong in nonfree, probably tainted was intended.
+</I>Ah, yes.
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+Could anybody remove freetype2-2.4.4-5.3.mga1 from nonfree/updates_testing?
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+&gt;<i> 2011/10/25, Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 25.10.2011 16:20, Mageia Team wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: freetype2 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version &#160; &#160; : 2.4.4 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Release &#160; &#160; : 5.3.mga1.nonfree &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Build Date: Tue Oct 25
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 15:18:27 2011
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Does not belong in nonfree, probably tainted was intended.
+</I>&gt;<i> Ah, yes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could anybody remove freetype2-2.4.4-5.3.mga1 from nonfree/updates_testing?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+<PRE>On 25 October 2011 15:20, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 2.4.4-5.3.mga1:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 158033
+</I>&gt;<i> - add upstream patch to fix CVE-2011-3256
+</I>&gt;<i> - new version 2.4.6 (fix CVE-2011-0226)
+</I>&gt;<i> - drop merged autohint patch
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;+ dmorgan &lt;dmorgan&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- Revert to version 2.4.4
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160;Add patch to fix CVE-2011-0226
+</I>
+For the record, why the rollback in cauldron?
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+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%201%20nonfree/updates_testing%0A%09freetype2-2.4.4-5.3.mga1.nonfree&In-Reply-To=%3CCAL%2BdqvCAqNwKESfidXBDvrTRHKTpNrmDTENg%3DZ%3DDxFa5R4JA6Q%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 25 October 2011 15:20, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 2.4.4-5.3.mga1:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 158033
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - add upstream patch to fix CVE-2011-3256
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - new version 2.4.6 (fix CVE-2011-0226)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - drop merged autohint patch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;+ dmorgan &lt;dmorgan&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- Revert to version 2.4.4
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160;Add patch to fix CVE-2011-0226
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the record, why the rollback in cauldron?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+we have not rollback in cauldron but in mageia 1 where freetype2 have
+been update in version 2.4.6 and this was causing issues/crashes. So
+we reverted to mageia 1 version and only added the needed patches for
+the CVE's
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+<PRE>On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:16:27 +0200 (CEST)
+Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Name : util-linux Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 2.20.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga2 Build Date: Tue Oct 25 09:09:17 2011
+</I>...
+&gt;<i> - Link /etc/mtab to /proc/mount
+</I>&gt;<i> - New version 2.20.1
+</I>
+This gives me weird output for df:
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+werewolf:~# df
+Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
+rootfs rootfs 43G 7.0G 34G 18% /
+/dev/root ext4 43G 7.0G 34G 18% /
+/dev devtmpfs 4.2G 0 4.2G 0% /dev
+tmpfs tmpfs 4.2G 95k 4.2G 1% /dev/shm
+tmpfs tmpfs 4.2G 754k 4.2G 1% /run
+tmpfs tmpfs 4.2G 0 4.2G 0% /sys/fs/cgroup
+tmpfs tmpfs 4.2G 0 4.2G 0% /media
+/dev/sda2 ext4 202G 124G 68G 65% /opt
+/dev/sdb1 ext4 316G 127G 173G 43% /home
+/dev/sdd1 ext4 493G 225G 243G 49% /home/shared/media/video
+/dev/sdc1 ext4 316G 87G 213G 29% /home/shared/media/music
+/dev/sdb1 ext4 316G 127G 173G 43% /export/in
+/dev/sdd1 ext4 493G 225G 243G 49% /export/video
+/dev/sda2 ext4 202G 124G 68G 65% /export/soft
+/dev/sdc1 ext4 316G 87G 213G 29% /export/music
+/dev/sdc1 ext4 316G 87G 213G 29% /export/music
+/dev/sdd1 ext4 493G 225G 243G 49% /export/video
+/dev/sdb1 ext4 316G 127G 173G 43% /export/in
+/dev/sda2 ext4 202G 124G 68G 65% /export/soft
+
+This is fstab:
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+/dev/sda1 / ext4 acl,relatime 1 1
+none /proc proc defaults 0 0
+/dev/sda2 /opt ext4 acl,relatime 1 2
+/dev/sda3 swap swap defaults 0 0
+/dev/sdb1 /home ext4 acl,relatime 1 2
+/dev/sdc1 /home/shared/media/music ext4 acl,relatime 1 2
+/dev/sdd1 /home/shared/media/video ext4 acl,relatime 1 2
+
+/home/shared/media/music /export/music bind bind 0 0
+/home/shared/media/video /export/video bind bind 0 0
+/home/shared/in /export/in bind bind 0 0
+/opt/soft /export/soft bind bind 0 0
+
+
+All bind mounts are duplicated !
+They are mounted twice:
+
+werewolf:/etc&gt; grep music /proc/mounts
+/dev/sdc1 /home/shared/media/music ext4 rw,relatime,user_xattr,acl,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0
+/dev/sdc1 /export/music ext4 rw,relatime,user_xattr,acl,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0
+/dev/sdc1 /export/music ext4 rw,relatime,user_xattr,acl,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0
+
+An also df from coreutils should be taught to ignore more special filesystems,
+or not ?
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+<PRE>JA Magallon a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:16:27 +0200 (CEST)
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia Team&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : util-linux Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 2.20.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga2 Build Date: Tue Oct 25 09:09:17 2011
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Link /etc/mtab to /proc/mount
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - New version 2.20.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This gives me weird output for df:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> werewolf:~# df
+</I>&gt;<i> Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
+</I>&gt;<i> rootfs rootfs 43G 7.0G 34G 18% /
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/root ext4 43G 7.0G 34G 18% /
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev devtmpfs 4.2G 0 4.2G 0% /dev
+</I>&gt;<i> tmpfs tmpfs 4.2G 95k 4.2G 1% /dev/shm
+</I>&gt;<i> tmpfs tmpfs 4.2G 754k 4.2G 1% /run
+</I>&gt;<i> tmpfs tmpfs 4.2G 0 4.2G 0% /sys/fs/cgroup
+</I>&gt;<i> tmpfs tmpfs 4.2G 0 4.2G 0% /media
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/sda2 ext4 202G 124G 68G 65% /opt
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/sdb1 ext4 316G 127G 173G 43% /home
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/sdd1 ext4 493G 225G 243G 49% /home/shared/media/video
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/sdc1 ext4 316G 87G 213G 29% /home/shared/media/music
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/sdb1 ext4 316G 127G 173G 43% /export/in
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/sdd1 ext4 493G 225G 243G 49% /export/video
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/sda2 ext4 202G 124G 68G 65% /export/soft
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/sdc1 ext4 316G 87G 213G 29% /export/music
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/sdc1 ext4 316G 87G 213G 29% /export/music
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/sdd1 ext4 493G 225G 243G 49% /export/video
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/sdb1 ext4 316G 127G 173G 43% /export/in
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/sda2 ext4 202G 124G 68G 65% /export/soft
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is fstab:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/sda1 / ext4 acl,relatime 1 1
+</I>&gt;<i> none /proc proc defaults 0 0
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/sda2 /opt ext4 acl,relatime 1 2
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/sda3 swap swap defaults 0 0
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/sdb1 /home ext4 acl,relatime 1 2
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/sdc1 /home/shared/media/music ext4 acl,relatime 1 2
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/sdd1 /home/shared/media/video ext4 acl,relatime 1 2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/shared/media/music /export/music bind bind 0 0
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/shared/media/video /export/video bind bind 0 0
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/shared/in /export/in bind bind 0 0
+</I>&gt;<i> /opt/soft /export/soft bind bind 0 0
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All bind mounts are duplicated !
+</I>&gt;<i> They are mounted twice:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> werewolf:/etc&gt; grep music /proc/mounts
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/sdc1 /home/shared/media/music ext4 rw,relatime,user_xattr,acl,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/sdc1 /export/music ext4 rw,relatime,user_xattr,acl,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/sdc1 /export/music ext4 rw,relatime,user_xattr,acl,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> An also df from coreutils should be taught to ignore more special filesystems,
+</I>&gt;<i> or not
+</I>
+Note that df documentation says to use the option -a to list &quot;dummy file
+systems&quot;.
+Which includes the binds. Otherwise binds aren't displayed (with mga1).
+
+What happens if you use
+df --total
+Does it give the real totals of mounted devices ?
+or include the dummy file systems ?
+and also the duplication ?
+
+On mga1, with
+df -a --total
+the total includes all lines displayed. (including binds, tmpfs, etc.)
+(Also /proc is displayed.)
+Without -a, only real partitions are displayed.
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
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+</I>&gt;<i> I've tried to use E17, but it's an old version. I've asked e17 team,
+</I>&gt;<i> and they answered me that E17 is &quot;rolling release&quot;. So no
+</I>&gt;<i> stable release (or vert vert few).
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+</I>&gt;<i> I propose to package svn version, so we could be up-to-date.
+</I>&gt;<i> If a problem occurs, we could report it to upstream.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think about doing it on all E17 package ?
+</I>
+How will it go for stable support ?
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+IE, once mageia 2 is out ?
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've just pushed new initscripts+systemd packages to updates_testing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In the combinations I've tested:
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+</I>&gt;<i> systemd+dracut initrd: Boot and Shutdown works fine.
+</I>&gt;<i> sysvinit+mkinitrd initrd: Boot and Shutdown works fine.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd+mkinitrd initrd: Boot fails due to not finding LVM disk.
+</I>&gt;<i> sysvinit+dracut initrd: Boot works, shudown/restart hangs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> YMMV, so please test. Make sure you're confident of restoring your
+</I>&gt;<i> system (e.g. via rescue CD or similar) should it be totally busted for
+</I>&gt;<i> you :D
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+can someone test and report if it worked or not ? we need feedback to
+push all this in core/release and have this available for alpha1
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+thank you.
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+<PRE>26.10.2011 09:36, D.Morgan kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> can someone test and report if it worked or not ? we need feedback to
+</I>&gt;<i> push all this in core/release and have this available for alpha1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> thank you.
+</I>Systemd + dracut initrd works. I have long delays but this is probably
+udev and/or kernel problem.
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+&gt;<i> can someone test and report if it worked or not ? we need feedback to
+</I>&gt;<i> push all this in core/release and have this available for alpha1
+</I>
+Worked ok here, with the following problems
+pata_acpi is being loaded before pata_via, causing many problems.
+vnstat must be uninstalled, or shutdown hangs.
+With the system set to use localtime, the clock is set to utc
+instead of localtime.
+
+The first two problems already existed in the Core Release versions,
+while the third is better, as before this update the clock was set
+to utc + my timezone difference, instead of utc - my timezone.
+
+The update also eliminates the hang I had on startup, that required
+killing plymouth, using a debug root shell, before I could login,
+using run level 3.
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+Please go ahead and push the update to Core Release.
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+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+<PRE>26.10.2011 10:00, David W. Hodgins kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 02:36:07 -0400, D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can someone test and report if it worked or not ? we need feedback to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> push all this in core/release and have this available for alpha1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Worked ok here, with the following problems
+</I>&gt;<i> pata_acpi is being loaded before pata_via, causing many problems.
+</I>&gt;<i> vnstat must be uninstalled, or shutdown hangs.
+</I>&gt;<i> With the system set to use localtime, the clock is set to utc
+</I>&gt;<i> instead of localtime.
+</I>Have you checked dracut conf? There was some list of preloaded modules
+AFAIK, maybe you can change order there?
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've just pushed new initscripts+systemd packages to updates_testing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In the combinations I've tested:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd+dracut initrd: Boot and Shutdown works fine.
+</I>&gt;<i> sysvinit+mkinitrd initrd: Boot and Shutdown works fine.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd+mkinitrd initrd: Boot fails due to not finding LVM disk.
+</I>&gt;<i> sysvinit+dracut initrd: Boot works, shudown/restart hangs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+A couple things I noticed:
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+- system time is bad, looks like ntpd is not started
+- sshd is not started neither
+- DM service is duplicated, one is dm.service and other prefdm.service
+ (latest is systemd native one).
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+I have enabled ntpd.service and sshd.service via systemctl, even if
+they are enabled in chkconfig. See how it goes.
+
+Don't know if there are more cases.
+Something weird with sysvinit backwards support ? Is it disabled ?
+If there is a native service, sysvinit service is ignored ?
+(sorry for my ignorance if this should be a known thing...)
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+I really think that trying to support old style is messy if we finally
+switch to systemd. Perhaps you can (wrongly) trust chkconfig and it
+does nothing.
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+On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 13:23:42 +0200
+Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 00:29:46 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Due to upcoming changes to systemd and friends we'll likely need to use
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; dracut rather than mkinitrd for some setups (i.e. those with LVM volumes
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; defined in /etc/fstab)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It would be good if people here could test as we will likely make it the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; default at some point in the not too distant future.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; To test:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sudo -i (or su -)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; urpmi dracut
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; cd /boot
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mv initrd-3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2.img initrd-old.img
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /sbin/installkernel -N 3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This process works fine here on my Core i3 desktop machine with an Intel HD
+</I>&gt;<i> Graphics card. After I successfully boot, I can start KDE, start VLC and
+</I>&gt;<i> mplayer, as well as play Extreme Tux Racer (a 3-D game). The sound works.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well, now I have problem to reboot the machine from its running state using
+Ctrl+Alt+Del. The process hangs, and pressing Ctrl+Alt+Del more times, does
+not make it boot. I need to press the physical &quot;Reset&quot; button. I have this
+Core i3 machine:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/meta/FAQ/#computers-specs">http://www.shlomifish.org/meta/FAQ/#computers-specs</A>
+
+Can you look into fixing it?
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
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+&gt;<i> can someone test and report if it worked or not ? we need feedback to
+</I>&gt;<i> push all this in core/release and have this available for alpha1
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+I didn't test it b/c it tried to remove initscripts, and thus the fallback
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+&gt;<i> Le samedi 22 octobre 2011 &#224; 08:41 +0100, Philippe Reynes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've tried to use E17, but it's an old version. I've asked e17 team,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and they answered me that E17 is &quot;rolling release&quot;. So no
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> stable release (or vert vert few).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I propose to package svn version, so we could be up-to-date.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If a problem occurs, we could report it to upstream.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What do you think about doing it on all E17 package ?
+</I>&gt;<i> How will it go for stable support ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IE, once mageia 2 is out ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>We have better chances for bugfixes, don't think the snapshots which
+we used till now ( nearly one year old and also only based on
+the development release) will get some love anymore.
+
+For security issues, there were none that i'm aware of except for imlib2.
+
+But if you argument this way, we should stay with the packages we have
+until E17 is fully stable and release, but i don't see how this would be better.
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+&gt;<i> Am 26.10.2011 06:59, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le samedi 22 octobre 2011 &#224; 08:41 +0100, Philippe Reynes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I've tried to use E17, but it's an old version. I've asked e17 team,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and they answered me that E17 is &quot;rolling release&quot;. So no
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> stable release (or vert vert few).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I propose to package svn version, so we could be up-to-date.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If a problem occurs, we could report it to upstream.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What do you think about doing it on all E17 package ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> How will it go for stable support ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IE, once mageia 2 is out ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We have better chances for bugfixes, don't think the snapshots which
+</I>&gt;<i> we used till now ( nearly one year old and also only based on
+</I>&gt;<i> the development release) will get some love anymore.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For security issues, there were none that i'm aware of except for imlib2.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But if you argument this way, we should stay with the packages we have
+</I>&gt;<i> until E17 is fully stable and release, but i don't see how this would be
+</I>&gt;<i> better.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+Sorry, I'm coming into this conversation late, but when I did a ton of work
+revamping all the EFL, e17, extra apps and python pkgs, there is a pretty
+good tool that can help guide you.
+
+easy_e17.sh build script. It gives the build order, the relevant pkgs to
+pull from the svn.
+
+None of this work was ever upstreamed back to the mandriva svn, but it has
+been maintained in the unity-linux svn.
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+&gt;<i> Am 26.10.2011 06:59, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;Le samedi 22 octobre 2011 &#224; 08:41 +0100, Philippe Reynes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;I've tried to use E17, but it's an old version. I've asked e17 team,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;and they answered me that E17 is &quot;rolling release&quot;. So no
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;stable release (or vert vert few).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;I propose to package svn version, so we could be up-to-date.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;If a problem occurs, we could report it to upstream.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;What do you think about doing it on all E17 package ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;How will it go for stable support ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;IE, once mageia 2 is out ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> We have better chances for bugfixes, don't think the snapshots which
+</I>&gt;<i> we used till now ( nearly one year old and also only based on
+</I>&gt;<i> the development release) will get some love anymore.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For security issues, there were none that i'm aware of except for imlib2.
+</I>
+There is at least one that I found and reported 2 times ( albeit not using the
+public bugtracker ) that didn't get corrected, just look
+at <A HREF="http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/elementary/src/lib/elm_map.c">http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/elementary/src/lib/elm_map.c</A>
+
+( a little help : the issue is in the first 25 lines )
+
+&gt;<i> But if you argument this way, we should stay with the packages we have
+</I>&gt;<i> until E17 is fully stable and release, but i don't see how this would be better.
+</I>
+We cannot at the same time say
+&quot;we offer quality package and take care of fixing them&quot; and at the same time,
+just say that we won't.
+
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+Michael Scherer
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+ <B>Florian Hubold</B>
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+<PRE>Am 26.10.2011 18:21, schrieb Michael scherer:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:45:21AM +0200, Florian Hubold wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 26.10.2011 06:59, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le samedi 22 octobre 2011 &#224; 08:41 +0100, Philippe Reynes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I've tried to use E17, but it's an old version. I've asked e17 team,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and they answered me that E17 is &quot;rolling release&quot;. So no
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> stable release (or vert vert few).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I propose to package svn version, so we could be up-to-date.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If a problem occurs, we could report it to upstream.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What do you think about doing it on all E17 package ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How will it go for stable support ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> IE, once mageia 2 is out ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We have better chances for bugfixes, don't think the snapshots which
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we used till now ( nearly one year old and also only based on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the development release) will get some love anymore.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For security issues, there were none that i'm aware of except for imlib2.
+</I>&gt;<i> There is at least one that I found and reported 2 times ( albeit not using the
+</I>&gt;<i> public bugtracker ) that didn't get corrected, just look
+</I>&gt;<i> at <A HREF="http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/elementary/src/lib/elm_map.c">http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/elementary/src/lib/elm_map.c</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ( a little help : the issue is in the first 25 lines )
+</I>You reported it two times. And as you happen to know the problem,
+may i ask where the fix is? Also may i remind you that elementary is also
+contained in Mageia 1 and also contains the issue you mentioned?
+How is that better for quality or security?
+&gt;&gt;<i> But if you argument this way, we should stay with the packages we have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> until E17 is fully stable and release, but i don't see how this would be better.
+</I>&gt;<i> We cannot at the same time say
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;we offer quality package and take care of fixing them&quot; and at the same time,
+</I>&gt;<i> just say that we won't.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>We want to be nearer to upstream to improve package quality.
+Who said we don't want to offer quality E17 packages and don't support them?
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+If keeping old releases unchanged from distro to distro version is
+your vision of improving quality and more satisfying for our end-users,
+that's not my vision, sorry.
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+Not many topics for tonight so let's focus rather on coming alpha1. We
+will have our next meeting next week.
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+Here is a wiki page for Mageia 2 development:
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mageia2_dev">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mageia2_dev</A>
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+should expect for alpha1 as integration for new feature and help also
+QA to write test docs.
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+As usual feel free to ask any question on IRC or ML.
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 26 octobre 2011 &#224; 18:58 +0200, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Am 26.10.2011 18:21, schrieb Michael scherer:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:45:21AM +0200, Florian Hubold wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Am 26.10.2011 06:59, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Le samedi 22 octobre 2011 &#224; 08:41 +0100, Philippe Reynes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I've tried to use E17, but it's an old version. I've asked e17 team,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; and they answered me that E17 is &quot;rolling release&quot;. So no
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; stable release (or vert vert few).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I propose to package svn version, so we could be up-to-date.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; If a problem occurs, we could report it to upstream.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; What do you think about doing it on all E17 package ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; How will it go for stable support ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; IE, once mageia 2 is out ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; We have better chances for bugfixes, don't think the snapshots which
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; we used till now ( nearly one year old and also only based on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the development release) will get some love anymore.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; For security issues, there were none that i'm aware of except for imlib2.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; There is at least one that I found and reported 2 times ( albeit not using the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; public bugtracker ) that didn't get corrected, just look
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; at <A HREF="http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/elementary/src/lib/elm_map.c">http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/elementary/src/lib/elm_map.c</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ( a little help : the issue is in the first 25 lines )
+</I>&gt;<i> You reported it two times. And as you happen to know the problem,
+</I>&gt;<i> may i ask where the fix is?
+</I>
+Ask to the e17 developpers. I reported it a 3rd time today on irc,
+because there is no other way to report issues ( ie, I cannot find any
+link to register on trac ). And while the fix is IMHO easy, I didn't
+cared much because the 2nd time should have been the good one.
+
+Now, let me repeat the question, because it was not answered, how do you
+plan to take care of e17, wether we update the snapshot or not ?
+
+e17 is typically the type of package where someone say &quot;it sound great,
+let's package it&quot;, and he does the job, and he update for each svn
+snapshot, and get bored, and drop it. It already happened a few time at
+Mandriva, and since it was in contribs, no one cared about stability or
+security.
+
+We do care, hence the question.
+
+
+&gt;<i> Also may i remind you that elementary is also
+</I>&gt;<i> contained in Mageia 1 and also contains the issue you mentioned?
+</I>&gt;<i> How is that better for quality or security?
+</I>
+Then if there is no proper way to support and unless someone has a
+better idea, we should drop it.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; But if you argument this way, we should stay with the packages we have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; until E17 is fully stable and release, but i don't see how this would be better.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We cannot at the same time say
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;we offer quality package and take care of fixing them&quot; and at the same time,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; just say that we won't.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> We want to be nearer to upstream to improve package quality.
+</I>
+So shipping svn snapshot is package quality ?
+Never wondered why the only distributions to ship e17 officially are
+also those that have no commitment to a stable version ( ie rolling
+release ) ?
+
+&gt;<i> Who said we don't want to offer quality E17 packages and don't support them?
+</I>
+Ok so explain to me how to take care of the upgrade on stable release.
+And updating to a newer svn snapshot is already painful for firefox, so
+I doubt it will be better if we do that for 15 rpms.
+
+&gt;<i> If keeping old releases unchanged from distro to distro version is
+</I>&gt;<i> your vision of improving quality and more satisfying for our end-users,
+</I>&gt;<i> that's not my vision, sorry.
+</I>
+Then we should simply remove e17 altogether. Because, by choice of the
+developpers, it is not stable enough to be packaged.
+
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+ <B>Lev Givon</B>
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+<PRE>----- Forwarded message from Sander Lepik &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">bugzilla-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; -----
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+Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:51:41 +0000
+From: Sander Lepik &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">bugzilla-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lev at mandriva.org</A>
+Subject: [Bug 3070] ruby-rails; wrong provide
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+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3070">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3070</A>
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+Sander Lepik &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt; changed:
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+ What |Removed |Added
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+ CC| |<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>
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+--- Comment #8 from Sander Lepik &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt; 2011-10-24 22:51:40 CEST ---
+Ask sysadmins.
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+Configure bugmail: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email">https://bugs.mageia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email</A>
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+Can someone please remove the ruby-rails-2.3.12 RPM and SRPM from the
+1/core/updates_testing repository? (I'll revert the package in the
+Mageia 1 svn repository to 2.3.11.)
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+ <B>Thomas Backlund</B>
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+<PRE>Lev Givon skrev 26.10.2011 23:14:
+&gt;<i> ----- Forwarded message from Sander Lepik&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">bugzilla-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; -----
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:51:41 +0000
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Sander Lepik&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">bugzilla-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lev at mandriva.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: [Bug 3070] ruby-rails; wrong provide
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3070">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3070</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander Lepik&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt; changed:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What |Removed |Added
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> CC| |<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --- Comment #8 from Sander Lepik&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt; 2011-10-24 22:51:40 CEST ---
+</I>&gt;<i> Ask sysadmins.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Removed.
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+ <B>Dick Gevers</B>
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+<PRE>On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:40:07 -0400, andre999 wrote about Re: [Mageia-dev]
+[changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release util-linux-2.20.1-1.mga2:
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+&gt;&gt;<i> This gives me weird output for df:
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;<i> All bind mounts are duplicated !
+</I>
+Since systemd I also have some duplicates (although less now then a couple
+of weeks ago):
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+rootfs 17G 7.6G 8.1G 49% /
+/dev/sda5 17G 7.6G 8.1G 49% /
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+tmpfs 5.9G 632K 5.9G 1% /run
+tmpfs 5.9G 632K 5.9G 1% /run
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+And this is completely superfluous (also not in fstab):
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+tmpfs 5.9G 0 5.9G 0% /media
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+(But the /media/&lt;stg&gt; are okay)
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+Cheers,
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+<PRE>Am 26.10.2011 22:06, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 26 octobre 2011 &#224; 18:58 +0200, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If keeping old releases unchanged from distro to distro version is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> your vision of improving quality and more satisfying for our end-users,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that's not my vision, sorry.
+</I>&gt;<i> Then we should simply remove e17 altogether. Because, by choice of the
+</I>&gt;<i> developpers, it is not stable enough to be packaged.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yes, altogether that would be a logical conclusion, sadly but true.
+Seems some maintainers can actually be worse than infamous 'nobody'.
+
+How to deal with that on the upgrade to mga2 in packaging terms,
+display a message to E17 users to the extent of:
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+ &quot;... e17 has been removed to improve on mageia overall quality,
+ please use another window manager / desktop environment ... &quot;
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+And please: this is meant as a serious question following the
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+ <B>Kamil Rytarowski</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20A%20Polish%20Remix%20of%20Mageia%201%20%22Magiczny%20Remix%22%20has%20been%0A%09released%21&In-Reply-To=%3C4EA87BEC.1020005%40gmx.com%3E"
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+<PRE>Hello!
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+Here is the original announcement, translated into English:
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+I. ATTENTION
+MAGICAN REMIX IS PROVIDED WITHOUT ANY GUARANTEE AND CAN BE USED ONLY AT
+YOUR OWN RISK. THE AUTHORS OF MAGICAL REMIX AND THE CREATORS OF THE
+MAGEIA LINUX DISTRIBUTION DO NOT CARRY ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY KIND
+OF LOSS OF DATA OR DAMAGE OF ANY KIND DUE TO USING THIS SOFTWARE
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+II. Information about the release
+Magical Remix (version from October 2011) is a remix of Mageia 1 (i.e.
+the 1st stable release of the distribution from 1st June 2011).
+
+Magical Remix is a result of work of the Polish community of the webpage
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org.pl">http://www.mageia.org.pl</A> . The developers of the main distribution do
+not carry responsibility for its correct functioning. Any questions and
+remarks about the functioning of Magiczny Remix should be sent to the
+Polish community which can be found on the <A HREF="websitehttp://www.mageia.org.pl">websitehttp://www.mageia.org.pl</A>
+
+IV. Selection of the software included on the LiveCD
+A. Graphical software
+- KDE - desktop environment - version 4.6.5
+- Mageia Control Center - advanced control center - version 12.21.9
+- Firefox - internet browser - version 7.0.1
+- Kadu - Gadu-Gadu network communicator - version 0.10.1
+- KMail - e-mail client - version 4.4.11
+- LibreOffice - desktop office environment - version 3.3.3.1
+- Konversation - IRC client - version 1.3.1
+- GIMP - advanced graphics manipulator - version 2.6.11
+- VLC - advanced multimedia player - version 1.1.12
+- Radio Tray - internet radio player - version 0.6.4
+
+B. Base system
+- kernel - kernel of Linux - version 2.6.38.8
+- ALSA - audio libraries and drivers - version 1.0.24.*
+- X server - graphics server - version 1.10.1
+
+29V. Package repositiries setup
+A. Main
+1. Core Release, Updates, Updates Testing, Backports, Backports Testing
+Repositories with open-source software on a free license
+
+2. Nonfree Release, Updates, Updates Testing, Backports, Backports Testing
+Free software but not shipped on a free license. Here are drivers for
+many video cards and wifi devices.
+
+3. Tainted Release, Updates, Updates Testing, Backports, Backports Testing
+Different software on a different license - free of charge or not - it
+may contain patented (e.g. multimedia codecs) solutions denied to
+redistribute in some countries (like in the United States).
+
+B. Additional
+- MOPL 32bit stable
+Repository of the Polish community of Mageia available on
+<A HREF="http://repo.mageia.org.pl">http://repo.mageia.org.pl</A>
+
+- BDK-Free-i586 BDK-Free-noarch BDK-NonFree-i586 BDK-Src
+Large Spanish repository of Blogdrake
+
+- Google repository
+Google repository that contain amoung other Google Chrome browser,
+Google Earth or Picassa.
+
+V. Authors, congratulations, thanks
+Authors of Magiczny Remix are napcok, m123456 and kamil.
+Congratulations to mgmkom for winning the competition for the best
+wallpaper.
+We also thank the Polish community for help, tests and notes.
+
+23rd October 2011
+
+And on this site there are some screenshots:
+<A HREF="http://repo.mageia.org.pl/magiczny_remix/zrzuty_ekranu/">http://repo.mageia.org.pl/magiczny_remix/zrzuty_ekranu/</A>
+
+If you would like to download the ISO, here is the torrent:
+<A HREF="http://repo.mageia.org.pl/magiczny_remix/magiczny-remix-2011-10-livecd-1-KDE4-pl-cdrom-i586.torrent">http://repo.mageia.org.pl/magiczny_remix/magiczny-remix-2011-10-livecd-1-KDE4-pl-cdrom-i586.torrent</A>
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+&gt;<i> If you would like to download the ISO, here is the torrent:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://repo.mageia.org.pl/magiczny_remix/magiczny-remix-2011-10-livecd-1-KDE4-pl-cdrom-i586.torrent">http://repo.mageia.org.pl/magiczny_remix/magiczny-remix-2011-10-livecd-1-KDE4-pl-cdrom-i586.torrent</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>At times we have some problems with our server and here is a mirror of
+the torrent:
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+<A HREF="http://mandrivalinux.pl/mageia/magiczny-remix-2011-10-livecd-1-KDE4-pl-cdrom-i586.torrent">http://mandrivalinux.pl/mageia/magiczny-remix-2011-10-livecd-1-KDE4-pl-cdrom-i586.torrent</A>
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+&gt;<i> Summary &#160; &#160; : Commons Sandbox Parent
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+</I>&gt;<i> Commons Sandbox Parent.
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+That's a very bad description since:
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+2) it doesn't give any clue about what this is
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+&gt;<i> gil &lt;gil&gt; 9-1.mga2:
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+&gt;<i> On 27 October 2011 00:00, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Summary &#160; &#160; : Commons Sandbox Parent
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Commons Sandbox Parent.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's a very bad description since:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) it's equal to the summary
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) it doesn't give any clue about what this is
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gil &lt;gil&gt; 9-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 158480
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - imported package apache-commons-sandbox-parent
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Gil,
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+can you try to enhance this description please ?
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:07:01 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I've just pushed new initscripts+systemd packages to updates_testing.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; In the combinations I've tested:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; systemd+dracut initrd: Boot and Shutdown works fine.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sysvinit+mkinitrd initrd: Boot and Shutdown works fine.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; systemd+mkinitrd initrd: Boot fails due to not finding LVM disk.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sysvinit+dracut initrd: Boot works, shudown/restart hangs.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A couple things I noticed:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - system time is bad, looks like ntpd is not started
+</I>&gt;<i> - sshd is not started neither
+</I>
+had same issue with sshd
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+&gt;<i> - DM service is duplicated, one is dm.service and other prefdm.service
+</I>&gt;<i> (latest is systemd native one).
+</I>
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+Regards,
+Olav
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:27:12AM +0200, JA Magallon wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:07:01 +0100
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I've just pushed new initscripts+systemd packages to updates_testing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; In the combinations I've tested:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; systemd+dracut initrd: Boot and Shutdown works fine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; sysvinit+mkinitrd initrd: Boot and Shutdown works fine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; systemd+mkinitrd initrd: Boot fails due to not finding LVM disk.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; sysvinit+dracut initrd: Boot works, shudown/restart hangs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A couple things I noticed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - system time is bad, looks like ntpd is not started
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - sshd is not started neither
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> had same issue with sshd
+</I>
+Any debug can help to understand ?
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - DM service is duplicated, one is dm.service and other prefdm.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; (latest is systemd native one).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> + dkms doesn't seem to rebuild the nvidia binary driver
+</I>
+seems related to <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2804">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2804</A>
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+&gt;<i> + networkmanager doesn't start
+</I>
+seems related to <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3188">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3188</A>
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+<PRE>D.Morgan skrev 26.10.2011 09:36:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> can someone test and report if it worked or not ? we need feedback to
+</I>&gt;<i> push all this in core/release and have this available for alpha1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+My laptop hangs on shutdown.
+I haven't checked why yet.
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+I'll test my workstation today.
+Last time I tried (a while ago), it screwed up booting my dmraid setup,
+and it was painful to restore, so I haven't tried after that.
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+<PRE>27.10.2011 15:33, Thomas Backlund kirjutas:
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+</I>&gt;<i> My laptop hangs on shutdown.
+</I>My desktop has quite a long delay before it turns off (maybe even 5
+minutes).
+&gt;<i> Last time I tried (a while ago), it screwed up booting my dmraid setup,
+</I>&gt;<i> and it was painful to restore, so I haven't tried after that.
+</I>With dracut i got my system booting (soft raid1 + lvm (also i had to
+move /usr under /)).
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+<PRE>On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 02:20:51PM +0200, Dexter Morgan wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; had same issue with sshd
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any debug can help to understand ?
+</I>
+I'll contact on IRC. No real systemd knowledge. I did notice that
+because I upgraded, the systemd &quot;target&quot; is &quot;5&quot;
+(runlevel$runlevel.target in the script of systemd-units). I thought
+maybe this caused all of the issues I had.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - DM service is duplicated, one is dm.service and other prefdm.service
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &#160; (latest is systemd native one).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + dkms doesn't seem to rebuild the nvidia binary driver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> seems related to <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2804">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2804</A>
+</I>
+Ah, cool. I thought it just didn't start somehow.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; + networkmanager doesn't start
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> seems related to <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3188">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3188</A>
+</I>
+Interesting.
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+--
+Regards,
+Olav
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+&gt;<i> 27.10.2011 15:33, Thomas Backlund kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My laptop hangs on shutdown.
+</I>&gt;<i> My desktop has quite a long delay before it turns off (maybe even 5
+</I>&gt;<i> minutes).
+</I>
+Ok, so thats a showstopper that need to be fixed.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Last time I tried (a while ago), it screwed up booting my dmraid setup,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and it was painful to restore, so I haven't tried after that.
+</I>&gt;<i> With dracut i got my system booting (soft raid1 + lvm (also i had to
+</I>&gt;<i> move /usr under /)).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+And so is this. if dracut or systemd requires /usr to be under / then it
+will _never_ be default.
+
+That's just plain idiotic.
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+--
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+&gt;<i> D.Morgan skrev 26.10.2011 09:36:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can someone test and report if it worked or not ? we need feedback to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> push all this in core/release and have this available for alpha1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My laptop hangs on shutdown.
+</I>&gt;<i> I haven't checked why yet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll test my workstation today.
+</I>&gt;<i> Last time I tried (a while ago), it screwed up booting my dmraid setup,
+</I>&gt;<i> and it was painful to restore, so I haven't tried after that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Ok, so still not capable of booting the dmraid correctly,
+but this time it is atleast better...
+if I remove all mountpoints from /etc/fstab besides /
+it completes the boot.
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+And as others noted ssh is not started and time is off by UTC offset
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+&gt;<i> Sander Lepik skrev 27.10.2011 16:07:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 27.10.2011 15:33, Thomas Backlund kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My laptop hangs on shutdown.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My desktop has quite a long delay before it turns off (maybe even 5
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> minutes).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, so thats a showstopper that need to be fixed.
+</I>Yes.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> With dracut i got my system booting (soft raid1 + lvm (also i had to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> move /usr under /)).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And so is this. if dracut or systemd requires /usr to be under / then
+</I>&gt;<i> it will _never_ be default.
+</I>It's systemd. It has some libs in /usr/lib that it needs for
+udev.service (if i remember correctly) and for some reason udev.service
+is needed for mounting services. Tho' if it fails and switches into
+rescue console i can manually mount /usr and make it continue booting.
+Maybe we can reorder those services somehow.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's just plain idiotic.
+</I>I somewhat agree. But even Fedora is suggesting not to have separate /usr :(
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+But updating after an install is very long, too much long.
+Now, 600 packages must be updated after an install. This shows a good health
+of Mageia but it is too much for users.
+My ADSL link is not very fast and a lot of people use a slower link.
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+A workaround is necessary. There are two path:
+1- publish each month a new iso: mageia-1a, mageia-1b, and so on
+2- create an iso with updates: mageia-1-upd01, ...
+In each case, the sources of packages must be updated.
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+Vice-pr&#233;sident de l'ABUL : <A HREF="http://abul.org/">http://abul.org/</A>
+Microsoft est &#224; l'informatique ce que McDonald est &#224; la gastronomie.
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+&gt;<i> &gt;And so is this. if dracut or systemd requires /usr to be under /
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;then it will _never_ be default.
+</I>&gt;<i> It's systemd. It has some libs in /usr/lib that it needs for
+</I>&gt;<i> udev.service (if i remember correctly) and for some reason
+</I>&gt;<i> udev.service is needed for mounting services. Tho' if it fails and
+</I>&gt;<i> switches into rescue console i can manually mount /usr and make it
+</I>&gt;<i> continue booting. Maybe we can reorder those services somehow.
+</I>
+Nitpicking, but the bug is not in systemd, but that various tools
+live in/require /usr and those are used by systemd. Systemd just exposes
+that /usr as another partition doesn't work in practice.
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+See <A HREF="http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken">http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken</A>
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+&gt;<i> 27.10.2011 16:45, Thomas Backlund kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sander Lepik skrev 27.10.2011 16:07:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 27.10.2011 15:33, Thomas Backlund kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My laptop hangs on shutdown.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My desktop has quite a long delay before it turns off (maybe even 5
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> minutes).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ok, so thats a showstopper that need to be fixed.
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> With dracut i got my system booting (soft raid1 + lvm (also i had to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> move /usr under /)).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And so is this. if dracut or systemd requires /usr to be under / then
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it will _never_ be default.
+</I>&gt;<i> It's systemd. It has some libs in /usr/lib that it needs for
+</I>&gt;<i> udev.service (if i remember correctly) and for some reason udev.service
+</I>&gt;<i> is needed for mounting services. Tho' if it fails and switches into
+</I>&gt;<i> rescue console i can manually mount /usr and make it continue booting.
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe we can reorder those services somehow.
+</I>
+Then we need to move those libs to /lib(64)
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's just plain idiotic.
+</I>&gt;<i> I somewhat agree. But even Fedora is suggesting not to have separate /usr :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+That does not make it less idiotic. IIRC they employ the systemd creator
+so...
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+--
+Thomas
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+&gt;<i> Mageia 1 is a nice distribution and I install it on more and more PC.
+</I>&gt;<i> But updating after an install is very long, too much long.
+</I>&gt;<i> Now, 600 packages must be updated after an install. This shows a good health
+</I>&gt;<i> of Mageia but it is too much for users.
+</I>&gt;<i> My ADSL link is not very fast and a lot of people use a slower link.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A workaround is necessary. There are two path:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1- publish each month a new iso: mageia-1a, mageia-1b, and so on
+</I>&gt;<i> 2- create an iso with updates: mageia-1-upd01, ...
+</I>&gt;<i> In each case, the sources of packages must be updated.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>You will find the volunteers who will join QA team to do
+the necessary quality assurance for the additional ISOs?
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+<PRE>On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 15:47, Florian Hubold &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Am 27.10.2011 16:02, schrieb Pierre Jarillon:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia 1 is a nice distribution and I install it on more and more PC.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But updating after an install is very long, too much long.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now, 600 packages must be updated after an install. This shows a good
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> health
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of Mageia but it is too much for users.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My ADSL link is not very fast and a lot of people use a slower link.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A workaround is necessary. There are two path:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1- publish each month a new iso: mageia-1a, mageia-1b, and so on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2- create an iso with updates: mageia-1-upd01, ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In each case, the sources of packages must be updated.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You will find the volunteers who will join QA team to do
+</I>&gt;<i> the necessary quality assurance for the additional ISOs?
+</I>
+Each month is not really feasible, as I believe it takes one week of
+work to build and test an iso.
+Doing it every 3 or 6 months could be a good idea
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 26 octobre 2011 &#224; 23:12 +0200, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Am 26.10.2011 22:06, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mercredi 26 octobre 2011 &#224; 18:58 +0200, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; If keeping old releases unchanged from distro to distro version is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; your vision of improving quality and more satisfying for our end-users,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; that's not my vision, sorry.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Then we should simply remove e17 altogether. Because, by choice of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; developpers, it is not stable enough to be packaged.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, altogether that would be a logical conclusion, sadly but true.
+</I>&gt;<i> Seems some maintainers can actually be worse than infamous 'nobody'.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How to deal with that on the upgrade to mga2 in packaging terms,
+</I>&gt;<i> display a message to E17 users to the extent of:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;... e17 has been removed to improve on mageia overall quality,
+</I>&gt;<i> please use another window manager / desktop environment ... &quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And please: this is meant as a serious question following the
+</I>&gt;<i> above conclusion ...
+</I>
+That's a good question but in fact, the situation is not really new.
+That's already something we should do for any software dropped.
+
+Either we drop because something do not work anymore ( for example,
+something unmaintained upstream, not rebuildable and no one able to fix
+), or we drop because we replace.
+
+Replacing is seamless and we do it quite often, dropping is not.
+
+I would propose that we add a conflict on mageia-release, and make a
+note in release notes. So on upgrade, package is removed, and people
+have documentation.
+
+
+Now, for the other problem of providing e17 without bypassing all our
+update procedure, there is several possible solutions :
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+1) We could move that to another repository, outside of Mageia, with
+different rules until that's sutable to be integrated properly. 3rd
+parties repos are bad IMHO, but if people do not want to follow the
+policy for whatever reasons, that's unavoidable.
+
+2) We could find a way to not place some packages to stable release.
+That would be quite complex, but doable. This way, people could use e17,
+but only if they run cauldron. Thus, we are free of any
+support/stability requirement.
+
+3) We could ship the stable part ( ie, those with a tarball like eina,
+etc ) and provide a script to compile/install the missing part from
+svn, since this would also free use from support/stability requirement,
+and as a bonus, let anybody keep the newest version ( because again, I
+doubt that e17 developpers are interested into getting old bug reports,
+given past and current interactions ). Of course, we should warn people
+upon installation that they are on their own, that their e17 will be
+updated often ( for the same reason about developpers )
+. And of course, this assume that no updated tarball are needed for the
+stable part.
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+There is several way, and that's just the ones I can think in 5 minutes.
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+But e17 is a package that we always drop sooner or later, and once in a
+while, discovered again, and then dropped again.
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 15:47, Florian Hubold&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 27.10.2011 16:02, schrieb Pierre Jarillon:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia 1 is a nice distribution and I install it on more and more PC.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But updating after an install is very long, too much long.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Now, 600 packages must be updated after an install. This shows a good
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> health
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of Mageia but it is too much for users.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My ADSL link is not very fast and a lot of people use a slower link.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> A workaround is necessary. There are two path:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1- publish each month a new iso: mageia-1a, mageia-1b, and so on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2- create an iso with updates: mageia-1-upd01, ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In each case, the sources of packages must be updated.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You will find the volunteers who will join QA team to do
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the necessary quality assurance for the additional ISOs?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Each month is not really feasible, as I believe it takes one week of
+</I>&gt;<i> work to build and test an iso.
+</I>&gt;<i> Doing it every 3 or 6 months could be a good idea
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yep. I suggested on latest council meeting to maybe release updated
+isos in november/december but we haven't decided if we will do so yet.
+
+This is because of the resources it takes to create and QA the isos,
+and we are already working on creating alpha isos for Mageia 2 too,
+so we would pretty much kill current QA...
+
+So people, if you really want things like this, then _start_ helping!
+Remember, this is a community distro, and if no-one steps up to do
+the work, it wont happend.
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+<PRE>Am 27.10.2011 17:02, schrieb Pascal Terjan:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 15:47, Florian Hubold&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 27.10.2011 16:02, schrieb Pierre Jarillon:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia 1 is a nice distribution and I install it on more and more PC.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But updating after an install is very long, too much long.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Now, 600 packages must be updated after an install. This shows a good
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> health
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of Mageia but it is too much for users.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My ADSL link is not very fast and a lot of people use a slower link.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> A workaround is necessary. There are two path:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1- publish each month a new iso: mageia-1a, mageia-1b, and so on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2- create an iso with updates: mageia-1-upd01, ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In each case, the sources of packages must be updated.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You will find the volunteers who will join QA team to do
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the necessary quality assurance for the additional ISOs?
+</I>&gt;<i> Each month is not really feasible, as I believe it takes one week of
+</I>&gt;<i> work to build and test an iso.
+</I>&gt;<i> Doing it every 3 or 6 months could be a good idea
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Well, the second proposal should not really take a whole week to
+do, no? Just create an iso from $repo_updates and merge
+all those into one if there's enough space on the CD.
+
+But then, i fail to see the difference between doing a default install,
+and installing 600 updates from repos, or downloading an
+ISO with those updates.
+
+If you want to provide those updates to others without
+redownloading, you can set --no-clean option to urpmi
+and save your /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/ if that is your use case.
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+<PRE>Am 27.10.2011 17:10, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 26 octobre 2011 &#224; 23:12 +0200, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 26.10.2011 22:06, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le mercredi 26 octobre 2011 &#224; 18:58 +0200, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If keeping old releases unchanged from distro to distro version is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> your vision of improving quality and more satisfying for our end-users,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that's not my vision, sorry.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Then we should simply remove e17 altogether. Because, by choice of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> developpers, it is not stable enough to be packaged.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, altogether that would be a logical conclusion, sadly but true.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Seems some maintainers can actually be worse than infamous 'nobody'.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> How to deal with that on the upgrade to mga2 in packaging terms,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> display a message to E17 users to the extent of:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;... e17 has been removed to improve on mageia overall quality,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> please use another window manager / desktop environment ... &quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And please: this is meant as a serious question following the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> above conclusion ...
+</I>&gt;<i> That's a good question but in fact, the situation is not really new.
+</I>&gt;<i> That's already something we should do for any software dropped.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Either we drop because something do not work anymore ( for example,
+</I>&gt;<i> something unmaintained upstream, not rebuildable and no one able to fix
+</I>&gt;<i> ), or we drop because we replace.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Replacing is seamless and we do it quite often, dropping is not.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would propose that we add a conflict on mageia-release, and make a
+</I>&gt;<i> note in release notes. So on upgrade, package is removed, and people
+</I>&gt;<i> have documentation.
+</I>OK, sounds reasonable.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now, for the other problem of providing e17 without bypassing all our
+</I>&gt;<i> update procedure, there is several possible solutions :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) We could move that to another repository, outside of Mageia, with
+</I>&gt;<i> different rules until that's sutable to be integrated properly. 3rd
+</I>&gt;<i> parties repos are bad IMHO, but if people do not want to follow the
+</I>&gt;<i> policy for whatever reasons, that's unavoidable.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) We could find a way to not place some packages to stable release.
+</I>&gt;<i> That would be quite complex, but doable. This way, people could use e17,
+</I>&gt;<i> but only if they run cauldron. Thus, we are free of any
+</I>&gt;<i> support/stability requirement.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) We could ship the stable part ( ie, those with a tarball like eina,
+</I>&gt;<i> etc ) and provide a script to compile/install the missing part from
+</I>&gt;<i> svn, since this would also free use from support/stability requirement,
+</I>&gt;<i> and as a bonus, let anybody keep the newest version ( because again, I
+</I>&gt;<i> doubt that e17 developpers are interested into getting old bug reports,
+</I>&gt;<i> given past and current interactions ). Of course, we should warn people
+</I>&gt;<i> upon installation that they are on their own, that their e17 will be
+</I>&gt;<i> updated often ( for the same reason about developpers )
+</I>&gt;<i> . And of course, this assume that no updated tarball are needed for the
+</I>&gt;<i> stable part.
+</I>FWIW, not all of the tarballs are releases, there are also development snapshots.
+
+So basically we have the choice of stable, but incomplete and outdated E17,
+E17 only for cauldron users with added complexity for the distro, and no E17 at
+all?
+&gt;<i> There is several way, and that's just the ones I can think in 5 minutes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But e17 is a package that we always drop sooner or later, and once in a
+</I>&gt;<i> while, discovered again, and then dropped again.
+</I>Nice to hear (after it was imported).
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+<PRE>On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 16:16, Florian Hubold &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Am 27.10.2011 17:02, schrieb Pascal Terjan:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 15:47, Florian Hubold&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt; &#160;wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 27.10.2011 16:02, schrieb Pierre Jarillon:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia 1 is a nice distribution and I install it on more and more PC.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But updating after an install is very long, too much long.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Now, 600 packages must be updated after an install. This shows a good
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> health
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of Mageia but it is too much for users.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My ADSL link is not very fast and a lot of people use a slower link.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> A workaround is necessary. There are two path:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1- publish each month a new iso: mageia-1a, mageia-1b, and so on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2- create an iso with updates: mageia-1-upd01, ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In each case, the sources of packages must be updated.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You will find the volunteers who will join QA team to do
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the necessary quality assurance for the additional ISOs?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Each month is not really feasible, as I believe it takes one week of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> work to build and test an iso.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Doing it every 3 or 6 months could be a good idea
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, the second proposal should not really take a whole week to
+</I>&gt;<i> do, no? Just create an iso from $repo_updates and merge
+</I>&gt;<i> all those into one if there's enough space on the CD.
+</I>
+First you need to make it fit on the CD (which is unlikely to be easy
+given that dependencies got added in updates)
+Then you need to test that installation still works fine in different
+configurations as some libraries used by the tools got updated
+
+&gt;<i> But then, i fail to see the difference between doing a default install,
+</I>&gt;<i> and installing 600 updates from repos, or downloading an
+</I>&gt;<i> ISO with those updates.
+</I>
+The difference is between:
+- downloading one iso, burning it, installing it, downloading 600
+packages then installing it on another computer, downloading 600
+packages
+- downloading one iso, burning it, installing it then installing it on
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 27 octobre 2011 17:16:59, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; You will find the volunteers who will join QA team to do
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the necessary quality assurance for the additional ISOs?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Each month is not really feasible, as I believe it takes one week of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; work to build and test an iso.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Doing it every 3 or 6 months could be a good idea
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, the second proposal should not really take a whole week to
+</I>&gt;<i> do, no? Just create an iso from $repo_updates and merge
+</I>&gt;<i> all those into one if there's enough space on the CD.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But then, i fail to see the difference between doing a default install,
+</I>&gt;<i> and installing 600 updates from repos, or downloading an
+</I>&gt;<i> ISO with those updates.
+</I>
+When you have 3 or 4 machine to install, it is very different ;-)
+
+As I made dozens of install each year, I have made a mirror of Mandriva
+updates on my server. Then I need to add my mirrors (with a script) and to
+remove them after. This save me a geat amount of time.
+Now, I don't like Mandriva 2011 and I need to rebuild a lot of machines with
+Mageia.
+
+IMO, it is possible to create a CD (or a DVD) with the tree of updates and a
+script which adds the CD, updates the system and removes the CD.
+
+Here is the scripts used to have a mirror of updates and add-media.sh.
+I use them for Mandriva. It can be a beginning. I wish to do better for
+Mageia.
+
+How to unselect the updates in the list of mirrors?
+Perhaps renaming and saving urpmi.cfg? Is this clean?
+
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+--
+Pierre Jarillon - <A HREF="http://pjarillon.free.fr/">http://pjarillon.free.fr/</A>
+Vice-pr&#233;sident de l'ABUL : <A HREF="http://abul.org/">http://abul.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Am 27.10.2011 18:15, schrieb Pascal Terjan:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 16:16, Florian Hubold&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 27.10.2011 17:02, schrieb Pascal Terjan:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 15:47, Florian Hubold&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 27.10.2011 16:02, schrieb Pierre Jarillon:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia 1 is a nice distribution and I install it on more and more PC.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But updating after an install is very long, too much long.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Now, 600 packages must be updated after an install. This shows a good
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> health
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of Mageia but it is too much for users.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My ADSL link is not very fast and a lot of people use a slower link.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> A workaround is necessary. There are two path:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1- publish each month a new iso: mageia-1a, mageia-1b, and so on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2- create an iso with updates: mageia-1-upd01, ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In each case, the sources of packages must be updated.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You will find the volunteers who will join QA team to do
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the necessary quality assurance for the additional ISOs?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Each month is not really feasible, as I believe it takes one week of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> work to build and test an iso.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Doing it every 3 or 6 months could be a good idea
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, the second proposal should not really take a whole week to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> do, no? Just create an iso from $repo_updates and merge
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> all those into one if there's enough space on the CD.
+</I>&gt;<i> First you need to make it fit on the CD (which is unlikely to be easy
+</I>&gt;<i> given that dependencies got added in updates)
+</I>&gt;<i> Then you need to test that installation still works fine in different
+</I>&gt;<i> configurations as some libraries used by the tools got updated
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But then, i fail to see the difference between doing a default install,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and installing 600 updates from repos, or downloading an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ISO with those updates.
+</I>&gt;<i> The difference is between:
+</I>&gt;<i> - downloading one iso, burning it, installing it, downloading 600
+</I>&gt;<i> packages then installing it on another computer, downloading 600
+</I>&gt;<i> packages
+</I>&gt;<i> - downloading one iso, burning it, installing it then installing it on
+</I>&gt;<i> another computer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>That is clear yes, but i meant for an iso ONLY containing updates,
+i.e. no installation medium, only containing update packages.
+
+I know that an updated installation medium would be more useful,
+but mostly only to those doing fresh installations in that case.
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 16:16, Florian Hubold&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, the second proposal should not really take a whole week to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> do, no? Just create an iso from $repo_updates and merge
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> all those into one if there's enough space on the CD.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First you need to make it fit on the CD (which is unlikely to be easy
+</I>&gt;<i> given that dependencies got added in updates)
+</I>&gt;<i> Then you need to test that installation still works fine in different
+</I>&gt;<i> configurations as some libraries used by the tools got updated
+</I>
+Well, current core/updates tree on _one_ arch is 4.2GB so...
+
+And then the question comes to nonfree/updates and tainted/updates and ...
+
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+<PRE>2011/10/13 Guillaume Rousse &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le 13/10/2011 10:08, philippe makowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what do we do with %_post_service and %_preun_service ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Those macros will have to be enhanced to handle new behaviours, without
+</I>&gt;<i> having to modify packages.
+</I>hum
+an how to manage sockets ?
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+moving from xinetd to systemd sockets ?
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+<PRE>On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:15:35 +0200 (CEST)
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> wrote:
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+&gt;<i> cauldron/rsyslog/current/SPECS/rsyslog.spec
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: cauldron/rsyslog/current/SPECS/rsyslog.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- cauldron/rsyslog/current/SPECS/rsyslog.spec 2011-10-27
+</I>&gt;<i> 16:11:44 UTC (rev 158742) +++
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/rsyslog/current/SPECS/rsyslog.spec 2011-10-27
+</I>&gt;<i> 16:15:34 UTC (rev 158743) @@ -4,7 +4,7 @@ Summary: Enhanced
+</I>&gt;<i> system logging and kernel message trapping daemons
+</I>&gt;<i> Name: rsyslog Version: 5.8.5
+</I>&gt;<i> -Release: %mkrel 1
+</I>&gt;<i> +Release: %mkrel 2
+</I>&gt;<i> License: GPLv3
+</I>&gt;<i> Group: System/Kernel and hardware
+</I>&gt;<i> URL: <A HREF="http://www.rsyslog.com/">http://www.rsyslog.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -22,8 +22,13 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> Source11: sysklogd.conf
+</I>&gt;<i> Source12: 07_rsyslog.log
+</I>&gt;<i> Patch0: rsyslog-5.8.4-systemd.patch
+</I>&gt;<i> +Requires(post): chkconfig
+</I>&gt;<i> +Requires(post): coreutils
+</I>&gt;<i> %if %{_with_systemd}
+</I>&gt;<i> -BuildRequires: systemd-units
+</I>&gt;<i> +Requires(post): systemd-units
+</I>&gt;<i> +Requires(post): systemd-sysvinit
+</I>&gt;<i> +Requires(preun): systemd-units
+</I>&gt;<i> +Requires(postun): systemd-units
+</I>
+
+So as built it is no longer installable by those of us who still are
+using sysvinit.
+
+
+ Charles
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+ -- Heard on Noahs' ark
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+<PRE>On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Charles A Edwards &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">CAE at eslrahc.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:15:35 +0200 (CEST)
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; cauldron/rsyslog/current/SPECS/rsyslog.spec
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Modified: cauldron/rsyslog/current/SPECS/rsyslog.spec
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --- cauldron/rsyslog/current/SPECS/rsyslog.spec &#160; &#160; &#160; 2011-10-27
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 16:11:44 UTC (rev 158742) +++
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cauldron/rsyslog/current/SPECS/rsyslog.spec &#160; 2011-10-27
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 16:15:34 UTC (rev 158743) @@ -4,7 +4,7 @@ Summary: &#160; &#160;Enhanced
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> system logging and kernel message trapping daemons
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name: &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; rsyslog Version: &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;5.8.5
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -Release: &#160; &#160; %mkrel 1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +Release: &#160; &#160; %mkrel 2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;License: &#160; &#160; GPLv3
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;Group: &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; System/Kernel and hardware
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;URL: &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; <A HREF="http://www.rsyslog.com/">http://www.rsyslog.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -22,8 +22,13 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;Source11: &#160; &#160;sysklogd.conf
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;Source12: &#160; &#160;07_rsyslog.log
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;Patch0: &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;rsyslog-5.8.4-systemd.patch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +Requires(post): &#160; &#160; &#160;chkconfig
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +Requires(post): &#160; &#160; &#160;coreutils
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;%if %{_with_systemd}
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -BuildRequires: systemd-units
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +Requires(post): &#160; &#160; &#160;systemd-units
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +Requires(post): &#160; &#160; &#160;systemd-sysvinit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +Requires(preun): &#160; &#160; systemd-units
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +Requires(postun): &#160; &#160;systemd-units
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+</I>&gt;<i> So as built it is no longer installable by those of us who still are
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+&gt;<i> So as built it is no longer installable by those of us who still are
+</I>&gt;<i> using sysvinit.
+</I>I don't think we can support both for mga2. And at the moment it seems we are going with
+systemd. So maybe it's time to jump the boat and start testing systemd to find its bugs as
+early as possible.
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+&gt;<i> 27.10.2011 23:36, Charles A Edwards kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So as built it is no longer installable by those of us who still are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> using sysvinit.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think we can support both for mga2. And at the moment it seems we
+</I>&gt;<i> are going with systemd. So maybe it's time to jump the boat and start
+</I>&gt;<i> testing systemd to find its bugs as early as possible.
+</I>
+i agree this would be the best for mageia 2 that now all ppl test it
+and report issues. To avoid &quot;bugs at the last minutes&quot; on a big and
+important piece like systemd
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> As I made dozens of install each year, I have made a mirror of Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> updates on my server. Then I need to add my mirrors (with a script) and to
+</I>&gt;<i> remove them after. This save me a geat amount of time.
+</I>&gt;<i> Now, I don't like Mandriva 2011 and I need to rebuild a lot of machines
+</I>&gt;<i> with Mageia.
+</I>[...]
+urpmi-proxy might be an interesting alternative for your problems. (ie: you
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+&gt;<i> YMMV, so please test. Make sure you're confident of restoring your
+</I>&gt;<i> system (e.g. via rescue CD or similar) should it be totally busted for
+</I>&gt;<i> you :D
+</I>
+GDM failed to load:
+# cat /var/log/gdm/:0-greeter.log.1
+gnome-session[2246]: DEBUG(+): Enabling debugging
+gnome-session[2246]: DEBUG(+): GsmXsmpServer:
+SESSION_MANAGER=local/julihasoig:@/tmp/.ICE-unix/2246,unix/julihasoig:/tmp/.ICE-unix/2246
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+gnome-session[2246]: ERROR: Error loading dconf profile 'gdm': open
+'/etc/dconf/profile/gdm': Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
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+&gt;<i> 27.10.2011 23:36, Charles A Edwards kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So as built it is no longer installable by those of us who still are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> using sysvinit.
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think we can support both for mga2. And at the moment it seems
+</I>&gt;<i> we are going with systemd. So maybe it's time to jump the boat and
+</I>&gt;<i> start testing systemd to find its bugs as early as possible.
+</I>
+We should support both in the upcoming release, there are probably some
+things that won't work with systemd, and we should gracefully deprecate
+the current init instead of forcing the hand...
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+Anyway, rsyslog is probably not the place to have plain requires on
+systemd-sysvinit, it could instead have a requires on the softer
+virtual package &quot;sysvinit&quot;, if this is something that's necessary to
+properly order the basesystem install transaction.
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+--
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+&gt;<i> Sander Lepik&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 27.10.2011 23:36, Charles A Edwards kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So as built it is no longer installable by those of us who still are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> using sysvinit.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think we can support both for mga2. And at the moment it seems
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we are going with systemd. So maybe it's time to jump the boat and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> start testing systemd to find its bugs as early as possible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We should support both in the upcoming release, there are probably some
+</I>&gt;<i> things that won't work with systemd, and we should gracefully deprecate
+</I>&gt;<i> the current init instead of forcing the hand...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes.
+That is already decided in Mageia 2 specs.
+And the suggested roadmap was do be systemd only in Mageia 3
+
+We mostly &quot;force&quot; systemd for now to increase the systemd tests
+and squash more bugs...
+
+&gt;<i> Anyway, rsyslog is probably not the place to have plain requires on
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd-sysvinit, it could instead have a requires on the softer
+</I>&gt;<i> virtual package &quot;sysvinit&quot;, if this is something that's necessary to
+</I>&gt;<i> properly order the basesystem install transaction.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:36:00 -0400, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, current core/updates tree on _one_ arch is 4.2GB so...
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+</I>&gt;<i> Is that including the Core Updates Debug repository?
+</I>
+No. The Core Updates Debug repository adds 5.4G more.
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, 27 Oct 2011, David W. Hodgins wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:36:00 -0400, Thomas Backlund&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Well, current core/updates tree on _one_ arch is 4.2GB so...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is that including the Core Updates Debug repository?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No. The Core Updates Debug repository adds 5.4G more.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+In reality its a little smaller, as there are some duplicate rpms there,
+but it's growing and fast...
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 28 octobre 2011 &#224; 00:19 +0300, Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 28.10.2011 03:11, nicolas vigier skrev:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thu, 27 Oct 2011, David W. Hodgins wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:36:00 -0400, Thomas Backlund&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Well, current core/updates tree on _one_ arch is 4.2GB so...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Is that including the Core Updates Debug repository?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; No. The Core Updates Debug repository adds 5.4G more.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In reality its a little smaller, as there are some duplicate rpms there,
+</I>&gt;<i> but it's growing and fast...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>If we remove the 'old' updates like:
+firefox-6.0-1.1.mga1 firefox-6.0.1-1.2.mga1
+firefox-6.0.2-0.1.mga1.src.rpm
+and a lot of others it can also decrease the data.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
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+ <B>Marja van Waes</B>
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+<PRE>For whoever wants to discuss:
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+(In reply to comment #0)
+ &gt; Mageia 2 spec #034
+ &gt; also see <A HREF="https://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification">https://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification</A>
+ &gt;
+ &gt; Mageia repositories currently have a media_info dir which contains a
+ &gt; line-oriented 'synthesis' file, plus some XML files with additional
+ &gt; information like package descriptions, and a hdlist which AFAIK is not
+ &gt; used by urpmi.
+ &gt;
+ &gt; Fedora and opensuse repositories do not use this format for metadata but
+ &gt; instead have a repodata dir containing a 'primary' and other XML files,
+ &gt; which are all listed in a 'rpomd.xml' file.
+ &gt;
+ &gt; The two schemes are similar which is not very surprising because the
+ &gt; requirements are the same. Most package managers with rpm support can use
+ &gt; the repomd style but urpmi can't. Only a few package managers support
+ &gt; synthesis style metadata. Switching to this 'standard' repository
+metadata
+ &gt; would give people more choice: use other package managers (e.g. yum
+or zypper)
+ &gt; in mageia and use urpmi on other distros. In the long term this
+should help
+ &gt; make urpmi easier to maintain: the &quot;standard&quot; metadata is a bit easier to
+ &gt; extend,
+ &gt; urpmi will be more a standard tool: behavior can easily be compared
+to other
+ &gt; package managers, test suites may be shared.
+ &gt;
+ &gt; Some not very useful index size numbers for mga cauldron x86_64
+core/release :
+ &gt; 1.7M synthesis.hdlist.cz
+ &gt; 1M info.xml.lzma
+ &gt; 5,6M changelog.xml.lzma
+ &gt; 8,7M files.xml.lzma
+ &gt;
+ &gt; 4,4M primary.xml.gz
+ &gt; 3,4M other.xml.gz
+ &gt; 11M filelists.xml.gz (8,8M when compressed with xz)
+ &gt;
+ &gt; Goals:
+ &gt; - no negative impact for people who use the default package tools
+ &gt; - basic support for other package managers (yum, zypper, apt) in mageia 2
+ &gt; (better support where packagekit uses the package manager the user has
+ &gt; chosen is not part of this spec but could be a follow-up feature)
+ &gt;
+ &gt; the plan is:
+ &gt; - modify urpmi to only support repomd metadata
+ &gt; - add repomd metadata to the cauldron repository while keeping synthesis
+ &gt; - upload the new urpmi
+ &gt; - after either the mga2 or mga3 release:
+ &gt; drop synthesis/hdlist metadata from cauldron
+ &gt;
+ &gt; so there will be 1 or 2 stable releases that carry both types of
+ &gt; repository metadata. The build infrastructure needs to support this of
+ &gt; course. This adds some complexity and uses extra space on the mirrors.
+ &gt;
+ &gt; Things that need to be changed:
+ &gt; - urpmi perl code
+ &gt; - maybe a fast xml reader in C, like yum has ?
+ &gt; - rpmdrake/installer ?
+ &gt; - build system
+ &gt;
+ &gt; Open questions:
+ &gt; - Is there anything I missed, unique urpmi features that will be
+broken by
+ &gt; such a change, other expected problems?
+ &gt; - A volunteer is needed for writing the needed perl code for
+perl-URPM etc.,
+ &gt; otherwise the change won't happen.
+
+a comment here
+<A HREF="https://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?do=show&amp;id=iso2%3Atechnical_specification">https://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?do=show&amp;id=iso2%3Atechnical_specification</A> :
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+sounds interesting but needs to have 2 kinds of metadata in parallel
+while it's not all integrated - discussions needed
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+&gt;<i> takashi &lt;takashi&gt; 0.714.0-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 158214
+</I>&gt;<i> - update to 0.714
+</I>
+A requested package cannot be installed:
+perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2.noarch (due to unsatisfied
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 27 octobre 2011 &#224; 17:21 +0200, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Am 27.10.2011 17:10, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mercredi 26 octobre 2011 &#224; 23:12 +0200, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Am 26.10.2011 22:06, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 3) We could ship the stable part ( ie, those with a tarball like eina,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; etc ) and provide a script to compile/install the missing part from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; svn, since this would also free use from support/stability requirement,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and as a bonus, let anybody keep the newest version ( because again, I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; doubt that e17 developpers are interested into getting old bug reports,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; given past and current interactions ). Of course, we should warn people
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; upon installation that they are on their own, that their e17 will be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; updated often ( for the same reason about developpers )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; . And of course, this assume that no updated tarball are needed for the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; stable part.
+</I>&gt;<i> FWIW, not all of the tarballs are releases, there are also development snapshots.
+</I>
+By tarballs, I mean &quot;supported tarball with proper version&quot;, not &quot;svn
+snapshot placed in tarball&quot;, sorry f that was not clear.
+
+&gt;<i> So basically we have the choice of stable, but incomplete and outdated E17,
+</I>&gt;<i> E17 only for cauldron users with added complexity for the distro, and no E17 at
+</I>&gt;<i> all?
+</I>
+Unless someone propose another idea, yes, we are limited to those that
+are already proposed.
+
+Or unless someone explain how we will in the same time follow our update
+policy regarding version update, and keep e17 updated to the last
+snapshot by not following it.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; There is several way, and that's just the ones I can think in 5 minutes.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But e17 is a package that we always drop sooner or later, and once in a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; while, discovered again, and then dropped again.
+</I>&gt;<i> Nice to hear (after it was imported).
+</I>
+By dropped, I mean &quot;packager stop updating it&quot;. See the changelog at
+Mandriva.
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+Currently the updates policy [1] says that updates to a new version
+should have 1.1.mga1 as release, and that cauldron should be bumped to
+2.mga2 on those cases.
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+However, on the packages where version updates are done (e.g. wine,
+flash-player-plugin, opera, firefox, chromium), doing that causes the
+following chain of events on every update:
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+1. cauldron submission with 1.mga2
+2. mga1 submission with 1.1.mga1
+3. cauldron submission with 2.mga2
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+So the pkgs have to always be submitted to cauldron twice (unless one
+skips right to 2.mga2, which would be rather confusing IMO).
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+I suggest we change the policy to say that package updates to stable
+should use 1.mga1 release (i.e. no subrel), so that it goes:
+1. cauldron submission with 1.mga2
+2. mga1 submission with 1.mga1
+
+and no extra submissions or commits required.
+
+Then, if some extra fix is needed, one does:
+1. cauldron submission with 2.mga2
+2. mga1 submission with 1.1.mga1
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+WDYT?
+
+[1] <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy</A>
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+The -crm fork is now considered as the main, stable and the official
+release. It's downloadable from the git.
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+<A HREF="http://repo.or.cz/w/wmaker-crm.git">http://repo.or.cz/w/wmaker-crm.git</A>
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+On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:26:38 +0200
+Kamil Rytarowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The -crm fork is now considered as the main, stable and the official
+</I>&gt;<i> release. It's downloadable from the git.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://repo.or.cz/w/wmaker-crm.git">http://repo.or.cz/w/wmaker-crm.git</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Where is the ready-to-build source tarball of the recommended release?
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
+
+&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Kamil
+</I>
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+
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+ &gt; Hi Kamil,
+ &gt;
+ &gt; On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:26:38 +0200
+ &gt; Kamil Rytarowski&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+ &gt;
+ &gt;&gt; Hello!
+ &gt;&gt;
+ &gt;&gt; The -crm fork is now considered as the main, stable and the official
+ &gt;&gt; release. It's downloadable from the git.
+ &gt;&gt;
+ &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://repo.or.cz/w/wmaker-crm.git">http://repo.or.cz/w/wmaker-crm.git</A>
+ &gt;&gt;
+ &gt; Where is the ready-to-build source tarball of the recommended release?
+On the git website there is a short log:
+&quot;2011-10-11 Carlos R. Mafra WindowMaker 0.95.0-crm master
+wmaker-0.95.0-crm commit | commitdiff | tree | snapshot (tar.gz zip)&quot;
+
+The snapshot URL is the read-to-build source.
+
+Here are the files of the latest stable release:
+<A HREF="http://repo.or.cz/w/wmaker-crm.git/snapshot/d0a48d991490f3092e41b3f5e541913c0fd73da2.tar.gz">http://repo.or.cz/w/wmaker-crm.git/snapshot/d0a48d991490f3092e41b3f5e541913c0fd73da2.tar.gz</A>
+<A HREF="http://repo.or.cz/w/wmaker-crm.git/snapshot/d0a48d991490f3092e41b3f5e541913c0fd73da2.zip">http://repo.or.cz/w/wmaker-crm.git/snapshot/d0a48d991490f3092e41b3f5e541913c0fd73da2.zip</A>
+
+It's working fine with Cauldron, I had problems with Mageia 1.
+ &gt; Regards,
+ &gt;
+ &gt; Shlomi Fish
+ &gt;
+ &gt;&gt; Regards,
+ &gt;&gt; Kamil
+ &gt;
+ &gt;
+Regards,
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+&gt;<i> Hi!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Currently the updates policy [1] says that updates to a new version
+</I>&gt;<i> should have 1.1.mga1 as release, and that cauldron should be bumped to
+</I>&gt;<i> 2.mga2 on those cases.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However, on the packages where version updates are done (e.g. wine,
+</I>&gt;<i> flash-player-plugin, opera, firefox, chromium), doing that causes the
+</I>&gt;<i> following chain of events on every update:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. cauldron submission with 1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. mga1 submission with 1.1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. cauldron submission with 2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So the pkgs have to always be submitted to cauldron twice (unless one
+</I>&gt;<i> skips right to 2.mga2, which would be rather confusing IMO).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I suggest we change the policy to say that package updates to stable
+</I>&gt;<i> should use 1.mga1 release (i.e. no subrel), so that it goes:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. cauldron submission with 1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. mga1 submission with 1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and no extra submissions or commits required.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then, if some extra fix is needed, one does:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. cauldron submission with 2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. mga1 submission with 1.1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [1] <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+Why not simple 0.1mga1 in updates ? because if we add a fix in mageia
+again we will have to rebuild in cauldron anyway but if we use
+
+0.1mga1 for the first we will use 0.2mga1 for the second, and so on
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+ <B>Angelo Naselli</B>
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+<PRE>In data venerd&#236; 28 ottobre 2011 18:17:18, Anssi Hannula ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> I suggest we change the policy to say that package updates to stable
+</I>&gt;<i> should use 1.mga1 release (i.e. no subrel), so that it goes:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. cauldron submission with 1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. mga1 submission with 1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and no extra submissions or commits required.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then, if some extra fix is needed, one does:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. cauldron submission with 2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. mga1 submission with 1.1.mga1
+</I>It sounds good to me.
+
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+<PRE>2011/10/28 Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Name &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: evolution-data-server &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version &#160; &#160; : 3.3.1.1 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release &#160; &#160; : 1.mga2 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Build Date: Fri Oct 28 20:56:12 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;<i> Group &#160; &#160; &#160; : System/Libraries &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: 3805649 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;License: LGPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature &#160; : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager &#160; &#160;: Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; : <A HREF="http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/">http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary &#160; &#160; : Evolution Data Server
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Evolution Data Server provides a central location for your addressbook
+</I>&gt;<i> and calendar in the gnome desktop.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> wally &lt;wally&gt; 3.3.1.1-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 159263
+</I>&gt;<i> - new version 3.3.1.1
+</I>&gt;<i> - new majors
+</I>
+Made some silly typos and now there are wrongly named pkgs in mirrors,
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+ <B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 28 octobre 2011 19:07:14, D.Morgan a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Currently the updates policy [1] says that updates to a new version
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; should have 1.1.mga1 as release, and that cauldron should be bumped to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2.mga2 on those cases.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; However, on the packages where version updates are done (e.g. wine,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; flash-player-plugin, opera, firefox, chromium), doing that causes the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; following chain of events on every update:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1. cauldron submission with 1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2. mga1 submission with 1.1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 3. cauldron submission with 2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So the pkgs have to always be submitted to cauldron twice (unless one
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; skips right to 2.mga2, which would be rather confusing IMO).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I suggest we change the policy to say that package updates to stable
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; should use 1.mga1 release (i.e. no subrel), so that it goes:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1. cauldron submission with 1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2. mga1 submission with 1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and no extra submissions or commits required.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Then, if some extra fix is needed, one does:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1. cauldron submission with 2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2. mga1 submission with 1.1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [1] <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Anssi Hannula
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why not simple 0.1mga1 in updates ? because if we add a fix in mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> again we will have to rebuild in cauldron anyway but if we use
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 0.1mga1 for the first we will use 0.2mga1 for the second, and so on
+</I>
+Because it was discussed in July and misc's proposal to keep release 0 only
+for pre-versions of software was adopted :)
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+Samuel
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+ <B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 28 octobre 2011 18:17:18, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Currently the updates policy [1] says that updates to a new version
+</I>&gt;<i> should have 1.1.mga1 as release, and that cauldron should be bumped to
+</I>&gt;<i> 2.mga2 on those cases.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However, on the packages where version updates are done (e.g. wine,
+</I>&gt;<i> flash-player-plugin, opera, firefox, chromium), doing that causes the
+</I>&gt;<i> following chain of events on every update:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. cauldron submission with 1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. mga1 submission with 1.1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. cauldron submission with 2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So the pkgs have to always be submitted to cauldron twice (unless one
+</I>&gt;<i> skips right to 2.mga2, which would be rather confusing IMO).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I suggest we change the policy to say that package updates to stable
+</I>&gt;<i> should use 1.mga1 release (i.e. no subrel), so that it goes:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. cauldron submission with 1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. mga1 submission with 1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and no extra submissions or commits required.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then, if some extra fix is needed, one does:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. cauldron submission with 2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. mga1 submission with 1.1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [1] <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy</A>
+</I>
+I warned about this when we discussed about release 0 and subrels for updates,
+but nobody reacted against at that time, so it ended in the written policy :)
+
+See <A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-July/007080.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-July/007080.html</A>
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+I don't see drawbacks to your change proposal, if no one does, it gets my
+vote.
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+Best regards
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+Samuel Verschelde
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+&gt;<i> Made some silly typos and now there are wrongly named pkgs in mirrors,
+</I>&gt;<i> e.g lib64edata-cal%[edatacalmajor}-3.3.1.1-1.mga2. Things are going to
+</I>&gt;<i> be fixed after I manage to find some sysadmins, please be patient.. :)
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+ <B>Anssi Hannula</B>
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+<PRE>On 28.10.2011 20:07, D.Morgan wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Currently the updates policy [1] says that updates to a new version
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should have 1.1.mga1 as release, and that cauldron should be bumped to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2.mga2 on those cases.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However, on the packages where version updates are done (e.g. wine,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> flash-player-plugin, opera, firefox, chromium), doing that causes the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> following chain of events on every update:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. cauldron submission with 1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. mga1 submission with 1.1.mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3. cauldron submission with 2.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So the pkgs have to always be submitted to cauldron twice (unless one
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> skips right to 2.mga2, which would be rather confusing IMO).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I suggest we change the policy to say that package updates to stable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should use 1.mga1 release (i.e. no subrel), so that it goes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. cauldron submission with 1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. mga1 submission with 1.mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and no extra submissions or commits required.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then, if some extra fix is needed, one does:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. cauldron submission with 2.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. mga1 submission with 1.1.mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [1] <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why not simple 0.1mga1 in updates ? because if we add a fix in mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> again we will have to rebuild in cauldron anyway but if we use
+</I>
+If a fix is added in mageia1 again, the same fix needs to be added in
+cauldron always as well.
+
+&gt;<i> 0.1mga1 for the first we will use 0.2mga1 for the second, and so on
+</I>
+--
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+<PRE>On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 28.10.2011 20:07, D.Morgan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Currently the updates policy [1] says that updates to a new version
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> should have 1.1.mga1 as release, and that cauldron should be bumped to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2.mga2 on those cases.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> However, on the packages where version updates are done (e.g. wine,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> flash-player-plugin, opera, firefox, chromium), doing that causes the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> following chain of events on every update:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. cauldron submission with 1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2. mga1 submission with 1.1.mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 3. cauldron submission with 2.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So the pkgs have to always be submitted to cauldron twice (unless one
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> skips right to 2.mga2, which would be rather confusing IMO).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I suggest we change the policy to say that package updates to stable
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> should use 1.mga1 release (i.e. no subrel), so that it goes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. cauldron submission with 1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2. mga1 submission with 1.mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and no extra submissions or commits required.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Then, if some extra fix is needed, one does:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. cauldron submission with 2.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2. mga1 submission with 1.1.mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [1] <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why not simple 0.1mga1 in updates &#160;? because if we add a fix in mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> again we will have to rebuild in cauldron anyway but if we use
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If a fix is added in mageia1 again, the same fix needs to be added in
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron always as well.
+</I>
+you get a point here :)
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+ <B>Remy CLOUARD</B>
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+<PRE>On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 09:05:39PM +0200, Remy CLOUARD wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:29:46AM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Due to upcoming changes to systemd and friends we'll likely need to use
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; dracut rather than mkinitrd for some setups (i.e. those with LVM volumes
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; defined in /etc/fstab)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It would be good if people here could test as we will likely make it the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; default at some point in the not too distant future.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; To test:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sudo -i (or su -)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; urpmi dracut
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; cd /boot
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mv initrd-3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2.img initrd-old.img
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /sbin/installkernel -N 3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> done.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This should install dracut, move the existing initrd out of the way, and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; regenerate a new one using dracut. If you are using a different kernel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; version then adjust the two commands accordingly to pick the right version.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Then just reboot. Hopefully all will go well and you won't notice much
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; difference :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm sad to be the first to give bad news about that but:
+</I>&gt;<i> when I rebooted it didn't work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is the partitionning scheme I have:
+</I>&gt;<i> /boot 256 MB
+</I>&gt;<i> raid 0: 2x 60 GB
+</I>&gt;<i> LVM on raid
+</I>&gt;<i> / on logical volume, btrfs filesystem
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When I boot with the dracut initrd I don't get my / mounted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Instead, after a while plymouth disappears and I get the following
+</I>&gt;<i> message, repeated all over the screen:
+</I>&gt;<i> modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting btrfs
+</I>&gt;<i> (/lib/modules/3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2/kernel/fs/btrfs/btrfs.ko.gz)
+</I>&gt;<i> Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When I run dmesg|less:
+</I>&gt;<i> Everything is fine until my logical volumes are active and then I get
+</I>&gt;<i> this message repeated over and over:
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut: Checking, if btrfs device complete
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and in the middle of this flood I get this:
+</I>&gt;<i> scanning for all btrfs devices
+</I>&gt;<i> failed to open /dev/btrfs_control skipping device registration
+</I>&gt;<i> scanning devices md0 for LVM volume groups
+</I>&gt;<i> Reading all physical volumes. This may take a while
+</I>&gt;<i> Found volume group &quot;kaze&quot; using metadata type lvm2
+</I>&gt;<i> Partial mode. Incomplete volumes will be processed
+</I>&gt;<i> 5 logical volume(s) in volume group &quot;kaze&quot; now active
+</I>&gt;<i> Autoassembling MDRaid.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and in the end I get
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut: Warning: no root device &quot;block:/dev/kaze/cauldron&quot; found
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, to me the problem is neither raid nor LVM but btrfs
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any idea on how to solve this issue ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In case it can be useful, here is the result of
+</I>&gt;<i> lsinitrd-dracut /boot/initrd.img : <A HREF="http://pastebin.com/Xe5Jhj38">http://pastebin.com/Xe5Jhj38</A>
+</I>[...]
+
+I just opened a bug against dracut for this btrfs issue:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3214">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3214</A>
+
+I still got the problem with the new dracut and kernel.
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+Regards,
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+<PRE>Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 28 octobre 2011 18:17:18, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Currently the updates policy [1] says that updates to a new version
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should have 1.1.mga1 as release, and that cauldron should be bumped to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2.mga2 on those cases.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However, on the packages where version updates are done (e.g. wine,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> flash-player-plugin, opera, firefox, chromium), doing that causes the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> following chain of events on every update:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. cauldron submission with 1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. mga1 submission with 1.1.mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3. cauldron submission with 2.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So the pkgs have to always be submitted to cauldron twice (unless one
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> skips right to 2.mga2, which would be rather confusing IMO).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I suggest we change the policy to say that package updates to stable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should use 1.mga1 release (i.e. no subrel), so that it goes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. cauldron submission with 1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. mga1 submission with 1.mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and no extra submissions or commits required.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then, if some extra fix is needed, one does:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. cauldron submission with 2.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. mga1 submission with 1.1.mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [1] <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I warned about this when we discussed about release 0 and subrels for updates,
+</I>&gt;<i> but nobody reacted against at that time, so it ended in the written policy :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See <A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-July/007080.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-July/007080.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't see drawbacks to your change proposal, if no one does, it gets my
+</I>&gt;<i> vote.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I agree as well. No sense in useless rebuilding.
+
+Sometimes the version in cauldron is only an upstream bugfix to the
+version in stable.
+It that case, it is the only logical thing to do.
+Since except for the versioning, the builds in cauldron and stable would
+be identical.
+
+That is the case for xkeyboard-config, where version 2.3 in cauldron is
+an upstream bugfix for version 2.2 in mga1
+(<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2280">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2280</A>)
+
+I noticed that that was also essentially the case for a recent bug with
+hunspell, even though upstream had bumped the major release number.
+(<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2272">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2272</A>)
+(Actually several upstream updates, one with an alternate release
+major/minor designations. Essentially bugfix updates.)
+So a lot of effort was made to provide an update by patches to fix a
+bug, when just using the update in cauldron would have satisfied the
+problem. With no risk of regression, since the requires were identical,
+and many if not most of the dependant localisations were identical as well.
+I'm not sure if the current policy, as written, prevents using the
+version from cauldron as an update to stable, when the major/minor
+release numbers differ.
+Would be good to clarify / modify if necessary.
+&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Regards :-)
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Shlomi Fish at 26/10/11 10:25 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Well, now I have problem to reboot the machine from its running state using
+</I>&gt;<i> Ctrl+Alt+Del. The process hangs, and pressing Ctrl+Alt+Del more times, does
+</I>&gt;<i> not make it boot. I need to press the physical &quot;Reset&quot; button.
+</I>
+If you have to press the reset buttons I presume this means that the
+magic sysreq keys are not working (as I presume you tried them first).
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 28/10/11 18:17 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> I suggest we change the policy to say that package updates to stable
+</I>&gt;<i> should use 1.mga1 release (i.e. no subrel), so that it goes:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. cauldron submission with 1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. mga1 submission with 1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and no extra submissions or commits required.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then, if some extra fix is needed, one does:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. cauldron submission with 2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. mga1 submission with 1.1.mga1
+</I>
+Only one very minor &quot;regression&quot; is not being able to tell immediately
+from e.g. rpm -qi output that a package is an &quot;update&quot; (of any flavour)
+from the released version. It's not really needed to know this very
+often and it's easy enough to verify where the package came from anyway,
+so I wouldn't say this is a blocker to your proposed change (and
+besides, the process of trying to fix whatever issue has occurred is
+pretty much identical regardless).
+
+Col
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and philippe makowski at 27/10/11 20:13 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 2011/10/13 Guillaume Rousse &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 13/10/2011 10:08, philippe makowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> what do we do with %_post_service and %_preun_service ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Those macros will have to be enhanced to handle new behaviours, without
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> having to modify packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> hum
+</I>&gt;<i> an how to manage sockets ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> moving from xinetd to systemd sockets ?
+</I>
+In an ideal world we would use systemd for traditional xinetd stuff, but
+being diplomatic, I think we should wait until after mga2 for that. Sure
+there is arguably additional overhead of running xinetd but while we
+support both systemd and sysvinit, xinetd serves a purpose. I propose
+that we should ultimately deprecated xinted in mga3, but that discussion
+can happen later.
+
+Col
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>When you do the latest round of Cauldron updates, you will be using a
+new version of systemd that now uses udev information to detect when LVM
+volumes are ready.
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+In the past with mkinitrd this information was never available due to
+the fact that LVM volumes were activated before udev started and thus
+appropriate change events could never be fired. We are now recommending
+the use of dracut over mkinitrd. Therefore, you should see the previous
+mail on this list about installing and testing dracut (you just need to
+install it and regenerate your initrd).
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+If you find yourself with a system that is unable to boot, do not fret.
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+You should be prompted to enter your root password to enter an emergency
+shell (you may have to press ESC to get rid of Plymouth graphics to see it).
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+Once you enter your root password (the rootfs will still be mounted OK),
+then just manually call &quot;mount /foo&quot; for each partition you have on LVM
+(the commands should all work) and then type: &quot;systemctl start
+graphical.target&quot;.
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+Nothing here is fatal, but you need to be armed with info so as not to
+get stuck!
+
+Col
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Shlomi Fish at 26/10/11 10:25 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Well, now I have problem to reboot the machine from its running state using
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ctrl+Alt+Del. The process hangs, and pressing Ctrl+Alt+Del more times, does
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; not make it boot. I need to press the physical &quot;Reset&quot; button.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you have to press the reset buttons I presume this means that the
+</I>&gt;<i> magic sysreq keys are not working (as I presume you tried them first).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I did not try the magic sysreq keys. I have not mentioned them in my message,
+and have not really used them until now.
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
+
+&gt;<i> If this is the case then something more fundamental is wrong.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
+--
+-----------------------------------------------------------------
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+ &#8212; Araujo
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+&gt;<i> If you have to press the reset buttons I presume this means that the
+</I>&gt;<i> magic sysreq keys are not working (as I presume you tried them first).
+</I>
+Many developers don't know that this key can do magic. Of those who do know about it, even fewer know what to do to make this magic happend.
+I am one of those who know what &quot;Sys Rq&quot; is capable of, but don't know how to do it, and I think many on these lists are in the same posittion.
+
+Thankfully the internet know how to use this key. :-)=
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key#Common_Usage">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key#Common_Usage</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> It would be good if people here could test as we will likely make it the
+</I>&gt;<i> default at some point in the not too distant future.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To test:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> sudo -i (or su -)
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi dracut
+</I>&gt;<i> cd /boot
+</I>&gt;<i> mv initrd-3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2.img initrd-old.img
+</I>&gt;<i> /sbin/installkernel -N 3.1.0-desktop-0.rc10.1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I installed and tested dracut with kernel-desktop-3.1.0-1.mga2 on
+Cauldron 32-bits and I there does not seem to be any issue.
+I have no LVM volumes.
+
+Regards,
+R&#233;mi / Akien
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+I (or better one of my padawans) have one problem:
+When trying to build ascii the build is running fine but in the buildlogs,
+there is a strange warning about not finding any &quot;build ID note&quot;.
+
+I have found a Mandriva bug report about a similar topic and misc showed my
+padawan a link at Fedora about this happening when LD is called directly in
+the Makefile.
+
+I have no clue what to do here, any help would be welcome...
+
+The behaviour has been confirmed on building ascii by three people by now.
+
+Here are some links...
+- <A HREF="http://pastebin.com/w9u3FQsx">http://pastebin.com/w9u3FQsx</A>
+ (build log)
+- <A HREF="http://www.linux-archive.org/fedora-packaging/103083-no-build-id-note-found-">http://www.linux-archive.org/fedora-packaging/103083-no-build-id-note-found-</A>
+how-resolve.html
+ (given by misc, but I don't find any direct calls of $(LD)
+- <A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=58487">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=58487</A>
+ (similar prob on mandriva bs, at least the same warning...)
+
+Thanks for help,
+
+Oliver
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Dick Gevers at 26/10/11 21:48 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:40:07 -0400, andre999 wrote about Re: [Mageia-dev]
+</I>&gt;<i> [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release util-linux-2.20.1-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This gives me weird output for df:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> All bind mounts are duplicated !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since systemd I also have some duplicates (although less now then a couple
+</I>&gt;<i> of weeks ago):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> rootfs 17G 7.6G 8.1G 49% /
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/sda5 17G 7.6G 8.1G 49% /
+</I>
+This is expected. It was masked previously with /etc/mtab hacks.
+
+&gt;<i> tmpfs 5.9G 632K 5.9G 1% /run
+</I>&gt;<i> tmpfs 5.9G 632K 5.9G 1% /run
+</I>
+This is a bug, but is actually fixed in this util-linux release - you do
+however need to regenerate the initrd to get the fix.
+
+&gt;<i> And this is completely superfluous (also not in fstab):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tmpfs 5.9G 0 5.9G 0% /media
+</I>
+This is simply something done by systemd to ensure that /media is
+writable. Some filesystems have readonly / and thus cannot have such
+mountpoints added. Using tmpfs ensures that all mount points can be
+created easily.
+
+The actual partion size is pretty much irrelevant. It doesn't use that
+space at all, it's just what the tmpfs driver does when it's loaded
+without specifying a specific size. As the memory is just addressable,
+but not allocated, there is no real need to artificially lower the size.
+
+All the best
+
+Col
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+--
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 27/10/11 22:44 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 22 October 2011 18:07, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> YMMV, so please test. Make sure you're confident of restoring your
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> system (e.g. via rescue CD or similar) should it be totally busted for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you :D
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> GDM failed to load:
+</I>&gt;<i> # cat /var/log/gdm/:0-greeter.log.1
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome-session[2246]: DEBUG(+): Enabling debugging
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome-session[2246]: DEBUG(+): GsmXsmpServer:
+</I>&gt;<i> SESSION_MANAGER=local/julihasoig:@/tmp/.ICE-unix/2246,unix/julihasoig:/tmp/.ICE-unix/2246
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome-session[2246]: ERROR: Error loading dconf profile 'gdm': open
+</I>&gt;<i> '/etc/dconf/profile/gdm': Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>
+This was a temporary error in one particular version of gdm that was
+updated a while back. It only existed for a couple hours and I posted
+about it on this list, so I guess your system is not fully up-to-date or
+it broke again in a new way... note that this upstream handling of this
+wasn't ideal and they've since decided to do things differently. I'll
+look at this tomorrow as I don't think we actually switched to it.
+
+If it's still a problem after tomorrow's update, please let me know.
+
+Col
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+--
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+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 27/10/11 13:13 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:27:12AM +0200, JA Magallon wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:07:01 +0100
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I've just pushed new initscripts+systemd packages to updates_testing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In the combinations I've tested:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systemd+dracut initrd: Boot and Shutdown works fine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sysvinit+mkinitrd initrd: Boot and Shutdown works fine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systemd+mkinitrd initrd: Boot fails due to not finding LVM disk.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sysvinit+dracut initrd: Boot works, shudown/restart hangs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A couple things I noticed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - system time is bad, looks like ntpd is not started
+</I>
+Yeah I still need to look at that.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> - sshd is not started neither
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> had same issue with sshd
+</I>
+Is this not just a simple matter of enabling it? It starts fine here...
+It may not have inherited the fact it's enabled in sysvinit properly,
+but a simple &quot;systemctl enable sshd.service&quot; and a &quot;systemctl start
+sshd.service&quot; should be enough. We perhaps want to setup a sshd.socket
+file to allow on-demand loading however which is a better solution
+overall for most systems with sshd.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> - DM service is duplicated, one is dm.service and other prefdm.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (latest is systemd native one).
+</I>
+Fixed in the lastest systemd package.
+
+&gt;<i> + dkms doesn't seem to rebuild the nvidia binary driver
+</I>
+That bug appears to be fixed now from the report I've seen.
+
+&gt;<i> + networkmanager doesn't start
+</I>
+Same issue as sshd I believe. It's just a matter of enabling it.
+
+Col
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>30.10.2011 00:30, Colin Guthrie skrev:
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+</I>&gt;<i> Is this not just a simple matter of enabling it? It starts fine here...
+</I>&gt;<i> It may not have inherited the fact it's enabled in sysvinit properly,
+</I>&gt;<i> but a simple &quot;systemctl enable sshd.service&quot; and a &quot;systemctl start
+</I>&gt;<i> sshd.service&quot; should be enough. We perhaps want to setup a sshd.socket
+</I>&gt;<i> file to allow on-demand loading however which is a better solution
+</I>&gt;<i> overall for most systems with sshd.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Wouldn't that mean sshd would start even if the admin have disabled it ?
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 27/10/11 15:12 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Sander Lepik skrev 27.10.2011 17:01:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 27.10.2011 16:45, Thomas Backlund kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sander Lepik skrev 27.10.2011 16:07:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 27.10.2011 15:33, Thomas Backlund kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My laptop hangs on shutdown.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My desktop has quite a long delay before it turns off (maybe even 5
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> minutes).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Ok, so thats a showstopper that need to be fixed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> With dracut i got my system booting (soft raid1 + lvm (also i had to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> move /usr under /)).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And so is this. if dracut or systemd requires /usr to be under / then
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it will _never_ be default.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's systemd. It has some libs in /usr/lib that it needs for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> udev.service (if i remember correctly) and for some reason udev.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is needed for mounting services. Tho' if it fails and switches into
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rescue console i can manually mount /usr and make it continue booting.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe we can reorder those services somehow.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then we need to move those libs to /lib(64)
+</I>
+There is quite serious talk about deprecating /lib, /bin and /sbin and
+basically anything that is not in /usr (with exceptions for /home /root,
+/etc and a few others). Of course there are various flames about this
+idea (earth will collapse into sun etc.) but it's actually surprisingly
+well received thus far IMO.
+
+Also, keep in mind that you're talking about moving a *lot* to / here...
+all the PCI/USB databases, all the udev setup, any application that udev
+might run in it's rules.... I won't reiterate what is written in the
+link Olav already provided, but suffice to say the problem is neither
+new, not specific to systemd. It's just being highlighted by systemd.
+Please keep this in mind when commenting on this topic.
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That's just plain idiotic.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I somewhat agree. But even Fedora is suggesting not to have separate
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr :(
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That does not make it less idiotic. IIRC they employ the systemd creator
+</I>&gt;<i> so...
+</I>
+But that doesn't make the idea any more or less idiotic.
+
+The reasons stated (and this discussion happened many months ago) are
+all well understood and documented in the link provided by Olav.
+
+It is NOT a systemd problem. It's a problem we have RIGHT NOW too, it's
+just that most setups are easy enough to work around by waiting and
+doing this sequentially which slows down the whole boot process. We've
+solved similar problems in the past by moving things to /lib but it's
+just a sticking plaster, not a real fix.
+
+If you have constructive criticism as to the reasons why this is now
+warned about specifically in systemd, then this is perfectly valid but
+should be done in context rather than simply calling it &quot;idiotic&quot;
+without any further clarification.
+
+And systemd is not saying that /usr cannot be on a separate partition.
+It's just saying that it cannot realistically be the job of the init
+system to mount it, it has to be handled at early boot in the initramfs,
+not by init. The reasons why this is the case are documented very clearly.
+
+Hope this helps clarify this discussion without going over old ground again.
+
+Col
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+<PRE>On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:30:26 +0100
+Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 27/10/11 13:13 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:27:12AM +0200, JA Magallon wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:07:01 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; I've just pushed new initscripts+systemd packages to updates_testing.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; In the combinations I've tested:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; systemd+dracut initrd: Boot and Shutdown works fine.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; sysvinit+mkinitrd initrd: Boot and Shutdown works fine.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; systemd+mkinitrd initrd: Boot fails due to not finding LVM disk.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; sysvinit+dracut initrd: Boot works, shudown/restart hangs.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; A couple things I noticed:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - system time is bad, looks like ntpd is not started
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah I still need to look at that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I think that more of ntpd itself, the serious problem is that time is
+not set correctly on boot. I have all my cauldron boxes bios time set
+to spanish local time, and system time gets set to 2 hours earlier than
+it should (GMT+1 + 1 other hour for summer time, I guess - I'll check
+tomorrow sunday when we are again at winter time). And then ntpd does not
+correct it.
+
+The ntpd problem is the same that that of sshd below.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - sshd is not started neither
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; had same issue with sshd
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is this not just a simple matter of enabling it? It starts fine here...
+</I>&gt;<i> It may not have inherited the fact it's enabled in sysvinit properly,
+</I>&gt;<i> but a simple &quot;systemctl enable sshd.service&quot; and a &quot;systemctl start
+</I>&gt;<i> sshd.service&quot; should be enough. We perhaps want to setup a sshd.socket
+</I>&gt;<i> file to allow on-demand loading however which is a better solution
+</I>&gt;<i> overall for most systems with sshd.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The problem is not enabling it, but that it was enabled under sysvinit
+and it does not get started under systemd after the switch. Think of
+an upgrade of mageia-1 to -2 when it is done. You end without remote access
+and probably others not noticed for being less critical, or others
+like iptables being disabled under syscint and becoming enabled under
+systemd. That is why I thought that doing that compatibility thing
+between chkconfig and systemctl is a difficult mess to solve...
+in some point you get out of sync. So lets go systemd at all and
+kill all compatibility. Adding a dozen xxx.service that call
+/etc/init.d/xxx should not be difficult. Do it once 'manually' and
+forget about trying to do automagically.
+
+And, btw, if sysvinit 'init' is killed, should it be time to move
+all that /etc/init.d/xxx scripts somewhere else as systemd helpers ?
+
+One possible solution could be...
+- let systemd parse also init.d, and run what is there (as it is now)
+- kill from init.d all services that have a systemd replacement
+ (iptables vs iptables.service for example), and move scripts used
+ by systemd .services out of init.d.
+so one service is on one and only place, and you have to know which
+init system (chkconfig or systemctl) handles it. When full switch is
+done, init.d would be empty.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - DM service is duplicated, one is dm.service and other prefdm.service
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (latest is systemd native one).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Fixed in the lastest systemd package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+But why do we need both dm.service and prefdm.service ? Or
+networkmanager.service and NerworkManager.service ? Let's kill all
+compatibility and start getting bug reports and things fixed...
+
+I know it is a bit hard, but IMHO its the only sane way.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 29/10/11 19:59 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 30.10.2011 00:30, Colin Guthrie skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is this not just a simple matter of enabling it? It starts fine here...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It may not have inherited the fact it's enabled in sysvinit properly,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but a simple &quot;systemctl enable sshd.service&quot; and a &quot;systemctl start
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sshd.service&quot; should be enough. We perhaps want to setup a sshd.socket
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> file to allow on-demand loading however which is a better solution
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> overall for most systems with sshd.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wouldn't that mean sshd would start even if the admin have disabled it ?
+</I>
+No, because you enable/disable the socket unit too (just like the actual
+service unit).
+
+Col
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+<PRE>30.10.2011 01:16, Colin Guthrie skrev:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 27/10/11 15:12 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then we need to move those libs to /lib(64)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is quite serious talk about deprecating /lib, /bin and /sbin and
+</I>&gt;<i> basically anything that is not in /usr (with exceptions for /home /root,
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc and a few others). Of course there are various flames about this
+</I>&gt;<i> idea (earth will collapse into sun etc.) but it's actually surprisingly
+</I>&gt;<i> well received thus far IMO.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, keep in mind that you're talking about moving a *lot* to / here...
+</I>&gt;<i> all the PCI/USB databases, all the udev setup, any application that udev
+</I>&gt;<i> might run in it's rules.... I won't reiterate what is written in the
+</I>
+So?
+it's less impact on / than stuffing all of /usr on /
+
+&gt;<i> link Olav already provided, but suffice to say the problem is neither
+</I>&gt;<i> new, not specific to systemd. It's just being highlighted by systemd.
+</I>&gt;<i> Please keep this in mind when commenting on this topic.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Interesting on how people think &quot;systemd is the solution to everything&quot;,
+and cant accept complaints when is screws up working systems....
+
+It's pretty much like Apple fans and their love for iCrap
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That's just plain idiotic.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I somewhat agree. But even Fedora is suggesting not to have separate
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr :(
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That does not make it less idiotic. IIRC they employ the systemd creator
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But that doesn't make the idea any more or less idiotic.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The reasons stated (and this discussion happened many months ago) are
+</I>&gt;<i> all well understood and documented in the link provided by Olav.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is NOT a systemd problem. It's a problem we have RIGHT NOW too, it's
+</I>&gt;<i> just that most setups are easy enough to work around by waiting and
+</I>&gt;<i> doing this sequentially which slows down the whole boot process. We've
+</I>&gt;<i> solved similar problems in the past by moving things to /lib but it's
+</I>&gt;<i> just a sticking plaster, not a real fix.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+What's the difference of moving stuff to /lib as compared moving all of
+/usr into / besides bloating /
+
+And by chasing seconds in bootup you screw those who want to finetune
+their systems. Thats a regression.
+
+For those people that are so concerned about bootup times, why dont
+they buy new hw, use fast ssd and learn how to suspend to ram/resume ...
+
+
+&gt;<i> If you have constructive criticism as to the reasons why this is now
+</I>&gt;<i> warned about specifically in systemd, then this is perfectly valid but
+</I>&gt;<i> should be done in context rather than simply calling it &quot;idiotic&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> without any further clarification.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well, it _is_ idiotic if it breaks working setups / possibilities to
+finetune systems.
+
+&gt;<i> And systemd is not saying that /usr cannot be on a separate partition.
+</I>&gt;<i> It's just saying that it cannot realistically be the job of the init
+</I>&gt;<i> system to mount it, it has to be handled at early boot in the initramfs,
+</I>&gt;<i> not by init. The reasons why this is the case are documented very clearly.
+</I>
+So by this reasoning we should stuff everything we can into initramfs,
+and not care of partitioning / mount points at all.
+
+--
+Thomas
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I (or better one of my padawans) have one problem:
+</I>&gt;<i> When trying to build ascii the build is running fine but in the buildlogs,
+</I>&gt;<i> there is a strange warning about not finding any &quot;build ID note&quot;.
+</I>
+This happens when our %ldflags are not used for linking.
+
+You probably need to use LDFLAGS=&quot;%ldflags&quot; somewhere or some other flag
+or variable, to get the %ldflags to appear after 'cc' in this line in
+the build:
+cc -DREVISION=3.11 ascii.c -o ascii
+
+- Spoilers below -
+
+OK, looked at the package.
+First, your %build is wrong. You use CFLAGS=&quot;$RPM_OPT_FLAGS&quot; in the
+%make command, but the Makefile doesn't even use any CFLAGS variable!
+
+Similarly, it doesn't use LDFLAGS so setting that would do no good either.
+
+You need to either e.g.
+a) change the CFLAGS=&quot;$RPM_OPT_FLAGS&quot; to CC=&quot;gcc %optflags %ldflags&quot;, or
+b) patch the Makefile to use $(CFLAGS) $(LDFLAGS) after the $(CC)
+instance and use %setup_compile_flags before %make.
+
+&gt;<i> I have found a Mandriva bug report about a similar topic and misc showed my
+</I>&gt;<i> padawan a link at Fedora about this happening when LD is called directly in
+</I>&gt;<i> the Makefile.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have no clue what to do here, any help would be welcome...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The behaviour has been confirmed on building ascii by three people by now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here are some links...
+</I>&gt;<i> - <A HREF="http://pastebin.com/w9u3FQsx">http://pastebin.com/w9u3FQsx</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> (build log)
+</I>&gt;<i> - <A HREF="http://www.linux-archive.org/fedora-packaging/103083-no-build-id-note-found-">http://www.linux-archive.org/fedora-packaging/103083-no-build-id-note-found-</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> how-resolve.html
+</I>&gt;<i> (given by misc, but I don't find any direct calls of $(LD)
+</I>&gt;<i> - <A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=58487">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=58487</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> (similar prob on mandriva bs, at least the same warning...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for help,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+<PRE>Oddly enough, I have four machines running Mageia - starting with a
+fresh Mageia 1 install and updating to Cauldron (keeping old /home from
+Mandriva)
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+networking (eth0) - When I disable &quot;allow interface to be controlled by
+network-manager&quot; - I can then use ifup to manually start eth0 - and
+revert back to sysvinit (urpmi sysvinit)
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+Unfortunately, I don't have the time to troubleshoot the sound issues,
+and have found the easiest solution is to fallback to sysvinit (so long
+that it works!)
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+&gt;<i> On 30.10.2011 00:07, Oliver Burger wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I (or better one of my padawans) have one problem:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> When trying to build ascii the build is running fine but in the buildlogs,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> there is a strange warning about not finding any &quot;build ID note&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> This happens when our %ldflags are not used for linking.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You probably need to use LDFLAGS=&quot;%ldflags&quot; somewhere or some other flag
+</I>&gt;<i> or variable, to get the %ldflags to appear after 'cc' in this line in
+</I>&gt;<i> the build:
+</I>&gt;<i> cc -DREVISION=3.11 ascii.c -o ascii
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Spoilers below -
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, looked at the package.
+</I>&gt;<i> First, your %build is wrong. You use CFLAGS=&quot;$RPM_OPT_FLAGS&quot; in the
+</I>&gt;<i> %make command, but the Makefile doesn't even use any CFLAGS variable!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Similarly, it doesn't use LDFLAGS so setting that would do no good either.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You need to either e.g.
+</I>&gt;<i> a) change the CFLAGS=&quot;$RPM_OPT_FLAGS&quot; to CC=&quot;gcc %optflags %ldflags&quot;, or
+</I>&gt;<i> b) patch the Makefile to use $(CFLAGS) $(LDFLAGS) after the $(CC)
+</I>&gt;<i> instance and use %setup_compile_flags before %make.
+</I>Thank you! You are amazing!
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+&gt;&gt;<i> GDM failed to load:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # cat /var/log/gdm/:0-greeter.log.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gnome-session[2246]: DEBUG(+): Enabling debugging
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gnome-session[2246]: DEBUG(+): GsmXsmpServer:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> SESSION_MANAGER=local/julihasoig:@/tmp/.ICE-unix/2246,unix/julihasoig:/tmp/.ICE-unix/2246
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gnome-session[2246]: ERROR: Error loading dconf profile 'gdm': open
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> '/etc/dconf/profile/gdm': Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This was a temporary error in one particular version of gdm that was
+</I>&gt;<i> updated a while back. It only existed for a couple hours and I posted
+</I>&gt;<i> about it on this list, so I guess your system is not fully up-to-date or
+</I>&gt;<i> it broke again in a new way...
+</I>
+No this bug lated for days (until blino fixed it)
+I was fully up to date. I did update to latest cauldron very often,
+from a fast mirror that is updated very often too
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunately, I don't have the time to troubleshoot the sound issues,
+</I>&gt;<i> and have found the easiest solution is to fallback to sysvinit (so long
+</I>&gt;<i> that it works!)
+</I>
+You can have a look here: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2982">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2982</A>
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> R.Fox
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+I've updated the
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification</A> page, with more
+bug reports linked to it (and fixed the tracker bug 1994 as well)
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+(better late than never)
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+I would suggest others do the same and note which have been resolved and which
+not, and possibly supply bug report for everything.
+
+furthermore, perhaps we could make a mageia 3 tracker bug and move all these
+specifications to that one, if they are likely not to be completed for mageia
+2.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 30/10/11 10:13 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 29 October 2011 23:26, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> GDM failed to load:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # cat /var/log/gdm/:0-greeter.log.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gnome-session[2246]: DEBUG(+): Enabling debugging
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gnome-session[2246]: DEBUG(+): GsmXsmpServer:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> SESSION_MANAGER=local/julihasoig:@/tmp/.ICE-unix/2246,unix/julihasoig:/tmp/.ICE-unix/2246
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gnome-session[2246]: ERROR: Error loading dconf profile 'gdm': open
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> '/etc/dconf/profile/gdm': Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This was a temporary error in one particular version of gdm that was
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updated a while back. It only existed for a couple hours and I posted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> about it on this list, so I guess your system is not fully up-to-date or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it broke again in a new way...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No this bug lated for days (until blino fixed it)
+</I>&gt;<i> I was fully up to date. I did update to latest cauldron very often,
+</I>&gt;<i> from a fast mirror that is updated very often too
+</I>
+Yeah after speaking to blino, I think it must have happened when
+upgrading gdm but missing the very broken package and updating to my
+partially broken package.... if you had the intermedite gdm, then the
+process would have worked... silly error on my part - thanks to blino
+for finding the issue.
+
+Col
+
+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 29/10/11 21:13 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 30.10.2011 01:16, Colin Guthrie skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 27/10/11 15:12 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Then we need to move those libs to /lib(64)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There is quite serious talk about deprecating /lib, /bin and /sbin and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> basically anything that is not in /usr (with exceptions for /home /root,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /etc and a few others). Of course there are various flames about this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> idea (earth will collapse into sun etc.) but it's actually surprisingly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> well received thus far IMO.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Also, keep in mind that you're talking about moving a *lot* to / here...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> all the PCI/USB databases, all the udev setup, any application that udev
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> might run in it's rules.... I won't reiterate what is written in the
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So?
+</I>&gt;<i> it's less impact on / than stuffing all of /usr on /
+</I>
+I don't understand what point you're trying to make here. You'd be
+moving a whole bunch of stuff to /... And it becomes very tricky to
+administer exactly what to move to / as the dependencies are non-trivial
+to work out, the QA burden is very high to test all the various
+combinations of setups to ensure all the required bits have been moved to /
+
+After doing all that QA and ensuring all is well, then the whole
+separate of /usr and / is totally blurred anyway. As someone campaigning
+to keep /usr on a separate partition, I'd have thought this was what you
+were trying to protect against in the first place... it seems totally
+contradictory to suggest this as a solution.
+
+Keep in mind that one of the key aims in highlighting this issue via
+systemd is to actually ALLOW /usr to be a useful and self contained
+filesystem. If /usr is properly configured without leaking half of it to
+/ it could be shared across multiple machines far more easily or even
+mounted as ro by default which could prove handy for security. Again,
+this is about highlighting the issues with an aim to making /usr much
+more useful. This is a laudable aim but you seem to be shooting it down
+due to gut reactions and prejudice. I've not yet seen any technical
+arguments from you about the topic.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> link Olav already provided, but suffice to say the problem is neither
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> new, not specific to systemd. It's just being highlighted by systemd.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please keep this in mind when commenting on this topic.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Interesting on how people think &quot;systemd is the solution to everything&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> and cant accept complaints when is screws up working systems....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's pretty much like Apple fans and their love for iCrap
+</I>
+And the statement above is as equally pointless as fanboiism. You're not
+giving ANY technical arguments here, just spouting FUD and pointless
+rhetoric which is not something I would expect to see from yourself :(
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That's just plain idiotic.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I somewhat agree. But even Fedora is suggesting not to have separate
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr :(
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That does not make it less idiotic. IIRC they employ the systemd creator
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> so...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But that doesn't make the idea any more or less idiotic.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The reasons stated (and this discussion happened many months ago) are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> all well understood and documented in the link provided by Olav.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It is NOT a systemd problem. It's a problem we have RIGHT NOW too, it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just that most setups are easy enough to work around by waiting and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> doing this sequentially which slows down the whole boot process. We've
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> solved similar problems in the past by moving things to /lib but it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just a sticking plaster, not a real fix.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What's the difference of moving stuff to /lib as compared moving all of
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr into / besides bloating /
+</I>
+It dilutes the whole point in keeping /usr separate in the first place!!
+This is what you are arguing for but yet you are contradicting it at the
+same time.
+
+&gt;<i> And by chasing seconds in bootup you screw those who want to finetune
+</I>&gt;<i> their systems. Thats a regression.
+</I>
+No it's not. By this argument if you were to build a house upon sand, it
+would be the fault of the brick manufacturer for building too heavy
+bricks, not the planners who thought that sand was an appropriate
+foundation. Papering over the cracks is not good for anyone. I want a
+robust system by design, not by careful manipulation of the fundamental
+problems to avoid the known broken bits.
+
+&gt;<i> For those people that are so concerned about bootup times, why dont
+</I>&gt;<i> they buy new hw, use fast ssd and learn how to suspend to ram/resume ...
+</I>
+I really don't understand why people keep harping back to &quot;startup
+times&quot; as the sole argument for a systemd-based system. It seems to show
+a lack of understanding of the project as a whole if this is the only
+justification used.
+
+Sure better h/w will help boot times and I certainly want them myself,
+but it doesn't mean I don't want systemd. I want proper process
+supervision, I want logging all the way from early boot, I want
+information about why a service failed and I want to be able to track
+when binaries are launched from webservices and run away (either
+malicious due to a breach or just bad programming), and I want to
+properly unmount / and deactivate LVM on shutdown and reboot. I cannot
+do any of this with sysvinit but systemd means I can do all of that and
+more.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> If you have constructive criticism as to the reasons why this is now
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> warned about specifically in systemd, then this is perfectly valid but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should be done in context rather than simply calling it &quot;idiotic&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> without any further clarification.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, it _is_ idiotic if it breaks working setups / possibilities to
+</I>&gt;<i> finetune systems.
+</I>
+It depends on your definition of &quot;working&quot;. Sure if you specifically
+work around the know limitations of the design then you may get a
+bootable system, which you could classify as working, but I wouldn't say
+this is a robust base. Just a house of cards waiting for the next
+failure. I'd rather try and address the problems properly and be frank
+about it in the discussions.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> And systemd is not saying that /usr cannot be on a separate partition.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's just saying that it cannot realistically be the job of the init
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> system to mount it, it has to be handled at early boot in the initramfs,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not by init. The reasons why this is the case are documented very
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> clearly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So by this reasoning we should stuff everything we can into initramfs,
+</I>&gt;<i> and not care of partitioning / mount points at all.
+</I>
+No, it means we have to stuff what is needed to mount /usr into initramfs.
+
+Col
+
+
+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Robert Fox at 30/10/11 09:38 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Unfortunately, I don't have the time to troubleshoot the sound issues,
+</I>
+Honestly I've mentioned this so many times now it's getting ridiculous.
+It's been covered about half a dozen times on this list and I have a few
+bugs opened (and subsequently closed) about it too. Please read up
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Since systemd I also have some duplicates (although less now then a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> couple of weeks ago):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rootfs 17G 7.6G 8.1G 49% /
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /dev/sda5 17G 7.6G 8.1G 49% /
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>This is expected. It was masked previously with /etc/mtab hacks.
+</I>
+Okay.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> tmpfs 5.9G 632K 5.9G 1% /run
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tmpfs 5.9G 632K 5.9G 1% /run
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>This is a bug, but is actually fixed in this util-linux release - you do
+</I>&gt;<i>however need to regenerate the initrd to get the fix.
+</I>
+Generating now. Thanks!
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> And this is completely superfluous (also not in fstab):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tmpfs 5.9G 0 5.9G 0% /media
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>This is simply something done by systemd to ensure that /media is
+</I>&gt;<i>writable. Some filesystems have readonly / and thus cannot have such
+</I>&gt;<i>mountpoints added. Using tmpfs ensures that all mount points can be
+</I>&gt;<i>created easily.
+</I>
+Thanks for the info !!
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Robert Fox at 30/10/11 09:38 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Unfortunately, I don't have the time to troubleshoot the sound issues,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Honestly I've mentioned this so many times now it's getting ridiculous.
+</I>&gt;<i> It's been covered about half a dozen times on this list and I have a few
+</I>&gt;<i> bugs opened (and subsequently closed) about it too. Please read up
+</I>&gt;<i> properly on the reasons why this is the case and either give appropriate
+</I>&gt;<i> debug output or be happy the problem is fixed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Sorry Colin - wasn't trying to irk you.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Robert Fox at 30/10/11 11:52 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Sorry Colin - wasn't trying to irk you.
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+Yeah I know, sorry for being grumpy. I do appreciate we need to handle
+pam.d stuff better but I've tried raising this discussion a few times
+and no-ones really doing anything about it :(
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+Guess I'll just have to pull my finger out and do it myself.
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 29/10/11 21:13 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;<i> So?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it's less impact on / than stuffing all of /usr on /
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't understand what point you're trying to make here. You'd be
+</I>&gt;<i> moving a whole bunch of stuff to /... And it becomes very tricky to
+</I>&gt;<i> administer exactly what to move to / as the dependencies are non-trivial
+</I>&gt;<i> to work out, the QA burden is very high to test all the various
+</I>&gt;<i> combinations of setups to ensure all the required bits have been moved to /
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After doing all that QA and ensuring all is well, then the whole
+</I>&gt;<i> separate of /usr and / is totally blurred anyway. As someone campaigning
+</I>&gt;<i> to keep /usr on a separate partition, I'd have thought this was what you
+</I>&gt;<i> were trying to protect against in the first place... it seems totally
+</I>&gt;<i> contradictory to suggest this as a solution.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Keep in mind that one of the key aims in highlighting this issue via
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd is to actually ALLOW /usr to be a useful and self contained
+</I>&gt;<i> filesystem. If /usr is properly configured without leaking half of it to
+</I>&gt;<i> / it could be shared across multiple machines far more easily or even
+</I>&gt;<i> mounted as ro by default which could prove handy for security. Again,
+</I>&gt;<i> this is about highlighting the issues with an aim to making /usr much
+</I>&gt;<i> more useful. This is a laudable aim but you seem to be shooting it down
+</I>&gt;<i> due to gut reactions and prejudice. I've not yet seen any technical
+</I>&gt;<i> arguments from you about the topic.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I'm saying moving the stuff that is _really_ needed, not based on &quot;udev
+might run&quot;...
+
+well, thinking some more on it I guess the real design flaw (not systemd
+specific) is using all of udev in init. Init should not care about more
+than getting disc access (and probably network for pxe boots)
+
+Then we wouldn't have to worry about &quot;what udev might run&quot; and could
+keep a very clean /
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Well, it _is_ idiotic if it breaks working setups / possibilities to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> finetune systems.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It depends on your definition of &quot;working&quot;. Sure if you specifically
+</I>&gt;<i> work around the know limitations of the design then you may get a
+</I>&gt;<i> bootable system, which you could classify as working, but I wouldn't say
+</I>&gt;<i> this is a robust base. Just a house of cards waiting for the next
+</I>&gt;<i> failure. I'd rather try and address the problems properly and be frank
+</I>&gt;<i> about it in the discussions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Robert Fox at 30/10/11 11:52 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Sorry Colin - wasn't trying to irk you.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah I know, sorry for being grumpy. I do appreciate we need to handle
+</I>&gt;<i> pam.d stuff better but I've tried raising this discussion a few times
+</I>&gt;<i> and no-ones really doing anything about it :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Guess I'll just have to pull my finger out and do it myself.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+No problem - I wanted to change back to systemd, but now I get a strange
+conflict:
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at foxbase</A> rfox]# urpmi systemd-sysvinit
+
+
+installing systemd-sysvinit-37-7.mga2.x86_64.rpm
+from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+Preparing...
+#########################################################################################
+Installation failed: file /sbin/halt from install of
+systemd-sysvinit-37-7.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+sysvinit-2.87-10.mga1.x86_64
+ file /sbin/init from install of systemd-sysvinit-37-7.mga2.x86_64
+conflicts with file from package sysvinit-2.87-10.mga1.x86_64
+ file /sbin/poweroff from install of systemd-sysvinit-37-7.mga2.x86_64
+conflicts with file from package sysvinit-2.87-10.mga1.x86_64
+ file /sbin/reboot from install of systemd-sysvinit-37-7.mga2.x86_64
+conflicts with file from package sysvinit-2.87-10.mga1.x86_64
+ file /sbin/runlevel from install of systemd-sysvinit-37-7.mga2.x86_64
+conflicts with file from package sysvinit-2.87-10.mga1.x86_64
+ file /sbin/shutdown from install of systemd-sysvinit-37-7.mga2.x86_64
+conflicts with file from package sysvinit-2.87-10.mga1.x86_64
+ file /sbin/telinit from install of systemd-sysvinit-37-7.mga2.x86_64
+conflicts with file from package sysvinit-2.87-10.mga1.x86_64
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at foxbase</A> rfox]#
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+Do I have to use --force here??
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+R.Fox
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Robert Fox at 30/10/11 12:27 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, 2011-10-30 at 12:16 +0000, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Robert Fox at 30/10/11 11:52 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry Colin - wasn't trying to irk you.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah I know, sorry for being grumpy. I do appreciate we need to handle
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pam.d stuff better but I've tried raising this discussion a few times
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and no-ones really doing anything about it :(
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Guess I'll just have to pull my finger out and do it myself.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No problem - I wanted to change back to systemd, but now I get a strange
+</I>&gt;<i> conflict:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at foxbase</A> rfox]# urpmi systemd-sysvinit
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> installing systemd-sysvinit-37-7.mga2.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+</I>&gt;<i> Preparing...
+</I>&gt;<i> #########################################################################################
+</I>&gt;<i> Installation failed: file /sbin/halt from install of
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd-sysvinit-37-7.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+</I>&gt;<i> sysvinit-2.87-10.mga1.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> file /sbin/init from install of systemd-sysvinit-37-7.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> conflicts with file from package sysvinit-2.87-10.mga1.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> file /sbin/poweroff from install of systemd-sysvinit-37-7.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> conflicts with file from package sysvinit-2.87-10.mga1.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> file /sbin/reboot from install of systemd-sysvinit-37-7.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> conflicts with file from package sysvinit-2.87-10.mga1.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> file /sbin/runlevel from install of systemd-sysvinit-37-7.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> conflicts with file from package sysvinit-2.87-10.mga1.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> file /sbin/shutdown from install of systemd-sysvinit-37-7.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> conflicts with file from package sysvinit-2.87-10.mga1.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> file /sbin/telinit from install of systemd-sysvinit-37-7.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> conflicts with file from package sysvinit-2.87-10.mga1.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at foxbase</A> rfox]#
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do I have to use --force here??
+</I>
+Hmm, not sure, I guess it's not conflicting or obsoleting sysvinit or
+something.
+
+You can just pass init=/sbin/systemd to the kernel command line to boot
+with systemd tho' - you don't absolutely need the systemd-sysvinit
+package installed.
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Oddly enough, I have four machines running Mageia - starting with a
+</I>&gt;<i> fresh Mageia 1 install and updating to Cauldron (keeping old /home from
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Every time I have tried systemd - something breaks - mostly sound and/or
+</I>&gt;<i> networking (eth0) - When I disable &quot;allow interface to be controlled by
+</I>&gt;<i> network-manager&quot; - I can then use ifup to manually start eth0 - and
+</I>&gt;<i> revert back to sysvinit (urpmi sysvinit)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunately, I don't have the time to troubleshoot the sound issues,
+</I>&gt;<i> and have found the easiest solution is to fallback to sysvinit (so long
+</I>&gt;<i> that it works!)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> R.Fox
+</I>
+have you disabled speedboot ? it fixed sound and network pb for me
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and D.Morgan at 30/10/11 12:47 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oddly enough, I have four machines running Mageia - starting with a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fresh Mageia 1 install and updating to Cauldron (keeping old /home from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mandriva)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Every time I have tried systemd - something breaks - mostly sound and/or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> networking (eth0) - When I disable &quot;allow interface to be controlled by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> network-manager&quot; - I can then use ifup to manually start eth0 - and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> revert back to sysvinit (urpmi sysvinit)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Unfortunately, I don't have the time to troubleshoot the sound issues,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and have found the easiest solution is to fallback to sysvinit (so long
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that it works!)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> R.Fox
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> have you disabled speedboot ? it fixed sound and network pb for me
+</I>
+Keep in mind that the latest packages will disable speedboot automagically.
+
+Col
+
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+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+I am with some problems after migration to systemd. I will write in this
+bugreport -&gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3227">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3227</A> about this.
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+I hope to help the community reporting information about the problems I'm
+having during migration.
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:15:16 +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote about Re:
+</I>&gt;<i> [Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> util-linux-2.20.1-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And this is completely superfluous (also not in fstab):
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tmpfs 5.9G 0 5.9G 0% /media
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+&gt;&gt;<i> This is simply something done by systemd to ensure that /media is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> writable. Some filesystems have readonly / and thus cannot have such
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mountpoints added. Using tmpfs ensures that all mount points can be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> created easily.
+</I>
+That one should definitely get mentioned in the release notes, since
+any changes made there manually, will no longer survive across reboots.
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+&gt;<i> I'm saying moving the stuff that is _really_ needed, not based on &quot;udev
+</I>&gt;<i> might run&quot;...
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+Wouldn't it be easier just to make sure /usr, /usr/lib, /usr/bin, etc, are
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am with some problems after migration to systemd. I will write in this
+</I>&gt;<i> bugreport -&gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3227">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3227</A> about this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope to help the community reporting information about the problems
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm having during migration.
+</I>
+I've fixed up rpm-helper today that likely addresses these problems.
+
+Col
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+After reading this:
+<A HREF="http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2011/10/06/plans-for-1-8-7">http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2011/10/06/plans-for-1-8-7</A>
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+We will support mageia 2 for 18 months (May 2012 to Nov 2013). But
+upstream will end ruby 1.8.7 at the time of June 2013. That means, we
+won't have any support from upstream even for security issues from
+June 2013 to Nov 2013. Of course, if mageia 2 be delayed....
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+<PRE>Le 31/10/2011 07:12, Funda Wang a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After reading this:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2011/10/06/plans-for-1-8-7">http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2011/10/06/plans-for-1-8-7</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We will support mageia 2 for 18 months (May 2012 to Nov 2013). But
+</I>&gt;<i> upstream will end ruby 1.8.7 at the time of June 2013. That means, we
+</I>&gt;<i> won't have any support from upstream even for security issues from
+</I>&gt;<i> June 2013 to Nov 2013. Of course, if mageia 2 be delayed....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Should we update ruby into 1.9 so that we still have support from upstream?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Especially the answer from current maintainer pascal.
+</I>
+Whatever the decision please wait after alpha1 so that we have
+consistent isos. Also you should ask Shikamaru (r&#233;mi clouard) who is
+working at the moment on Ruby
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>
+
+--
+Anne
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+<PRE>Le samedi 29 octobre 2011 &#224; 18:38 +0100, Philippe Reynes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Another solution is to package e17 twice (like chromium):
+</I>&gt;<i> - an E17 -stable based stable tarball, as it was almost/already done
+</I>&gt;<i> - an E17-unstable based on svn, as it's done now
+</I>
+I am a little bit stupid, but can you explain how it solve the issue of
+not bypassing our update policy ?
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+<PRE>Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 &#224; 14:12 +0800, Funda Wang a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After reading this:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2011/10/06/plans-for-1-8-7">http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2011/10/06/plans-for-1-8-7</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We will support mageia 2 for 18 months (May 2012 to Nov 2013). But
+</I>&gt;<i> upstream will end ruby 1.8.7 at the time of June 2013. That means, we
+</I>&gt;<i> won't have any support from upstream even for security issues from
+</I>&gt;<i> June 2013 to Nov 2013. Of course, if mageia 2 be delayed....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Should we update ruby into 1.9 so that we still have support from upstream?
+</I>
+Afaik, ruby 1.9 use a slightly different syntax than ruby 1.8 ( and of
+course, that's slightly incompatible, which translate usually to
+slightly lots of issues ).
+
+I know that puppet just fixed some issue regarding ruby 1.9. I am not
+sure the rest of the crowd is following.
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+ <B>Manuel Hiebel</B>
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+<PRE>Hello, I know most you are working on Mageia 2 but we have also some
+bugs present in Mageia 1 (and also present in Mageia 2 for the most of
+them).
+
+So we have made a list of all bugs assigned to bugsquad without
+maintainer.
+
+I have also made a quick chart for the ratio maintainer/status:
+<A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/ratio-assignee">http://tinyurl.com/ratio-assignee</A>
+
+Thanks. ;)
+
+(you can copy paste the list of bugs in the search field like 1, 2, 3)
+
+##Bugs with a the keyword PATCH or Junior_Job (easy to resolve):
+600;&quot;The http user-interface to backuppc does not work&quot;;&quot;backuppc&quot;
+2740;&quot;chksession does not create the script for
+lxdm&quot;;&quot;desktop-common-data&quot;
+672;&quot;The installation of dkms PSB fails with recent kernels
+(2.6.38.*)&quot;;&quot;dkms-psb-4.41.1-7.mga1.src.rpm&quot;
+1596;&quot;help files not packaged for
+etherape&quot;;&quot;etherape-0.9.10-1.mga1.src.rpm&quot;
+2427;&quot;using -execdir in find does not change the current
+directory&quot;;&quot;findutils-4.5.9-2.mga1&quot;
+2888;&quot;Unbootable entry for Mageia in grub2 generated menu (kernel
+panic)&quot;;&quot;grub&quot;
+1527;&quot;&quot;&quot;Mandriva Linux&quot;&quot; string in /etc/issue.net&quot;;&quot;initscripts&quot;
+1560;&quot;sysctl.conf refers to Mandriva Linux&quot;;&quot;initscripts-9.21-12.mga1&quot;
+1622;&quot;German &quot;&quot;man&quot;&quot; messages have badly formed
+umlauts&quot;;&quot;man-1.6g-2.mga1.src.rpm&quot;
+1136;&quot;numlock doesn't work correctly under
+X&quot;;&quot;numlock-2.1.2-5.mga1.src.rpm&quot;
+1811;&quot;Unable to resume from suspend on Lenovo Thinkpad T410
+Laptop&quot;;&quot;pm-utils&quot;
+1147;&quot;can't connect ftp through firewall&quot;;&quot;shorewall&quot;
+3045;&quot;timezone needs updating&quot;;&quot;timezone-2011g-1.mga1.src.rpm&quot;
+758;&quot;Quickly make xdm less austere&quot;;&quot;xinitrc&quot;
+2194;&quot;Xfce: the numlock is not active&quot;;&quot;xinitrc&quot;
+-
+3035;&quot;URLs in packages are invalid&quot;;
+3053;&quot;some rpm provide doc files with restricted permissions (only root
+can read them)&quot;;
+1049;&quot;autossh, change the mkrel (rpm of mdv is more great)&quot;;&quot;autossh&quot;
+3199;&quot;Browser's bookmarks show Mandriva Cooker&quot;;&quot;desktop-common-data&quot;
+1745;&quot;pcmanfm file cut and paste does not work when path contains non
+latin characters&quot;;&quot;libfm-0.1.14-1.mga1.src.rpm&quot;
+1254;&quot;Cannot login to certain installed desktops via
+lxdm&quot;;&quot;lxdm-0.2.0-2.mga1&quot;
+
+
+##Package with more than 3 bugs:
+2392, 3200, 3198;&quot;chromium-browser&quot;
+2249, 2740, 3199, 2449, 1633;&quot;desktop-common-data&quot;
+1867, 2650, 2644, 2653, 2627;&quot;evolution&quot;
+1857, 1721, 2937;&quot;f-spot&quot;
+942, 1483, 2628;&quot;gdm&quot;
+416, 2888, 1759, 2121;&quot;grub&quot;
+1245, 1527, 1560, 2614, 2707, 2803, 2916;&quot;initscripts&quot;
+447, 999, 1082 2269, 2842 2994;&quot;meta-task&quot;
+1508, 1590, 2927, 3212, 1568, 2218, 2374, 2775, 3042, 3133;&quot;mgaonline&quot;
+1525, 375, 414, 2995, 2996;&quot;mkinitrd&quot;
+3192, 2503, 2879, 2892;&quot;pam&quot;
+1481, 2184, 1454, 2404, 2738;&quot;system-config-printer
+2834;&quot;task-printing-scanning&quot;
+1303, 1712, 2951;&quot;udev&quot;
+2190, 2192, 3057, 3224;&quot;xfce4-session&quot;
+758, 2194, 1908;&quot;xinitrc&quot;
+
+
+##Complete list
+2722, 2794;&quot;GConf2&quot;
+1445;&quot;amule&quot;
+3110;&quot;aumix&quot;
+1049;&quot;autossh&quot;
+600;&quot;backuppc&quot;
+3028;&quot;bind&quot;
+3134;&quot;bootsplash&quot;
+1503;&quot;bug-buddy&quot;
+1920;&quot;busybox&quot;
+2817;&quot;cairo&quot;
+2392, 3200, 3198;&quot;chromium-browser&quot;
+2920;&quot;cpufreq&quot;
+1366;&quot;compositing-wm-common&quot;
+2488;&quot;dansguardian&quot;
+2777;&quot;davfs2&quot;
+3118;&quot;dblatex&quot;
+2438;&quot;dbus&quot;
+2249, 2740, 3199, 2449, 1633;&quot;desktop-common-data&quot;
+1537;&quot;docbook-dtds&quot;
+1534, 1941;&quot;drakguard&quot;
+1244;&quot;epiphany&quot;
+1324;&quot;etcskel&quot;
+1596;&quot;etherape&quot;
+1867, 2650, 2644, 2653, 2627;&quot;evolution&quot;
+1857, 1721, 2937;&quot;f-spot&quot;
+2427;&quot;findutils
+1570;&quot;fontconfig&quot;
+1291;&quot;freetype2&quot;
+942, 1483, 2628;&quot;gdm&quot;
+2405;&quot;ghostscript&quot;
+1655, 2159;&quot;gnome-panel&quot;
+1583;&quot;gnome-session&quot;
+1834;&quot;gpodder&quot;
+416, 2888, 1759, 2121;&quot;grub&quot;
+1821;&quot;gscan2pdf&quot;
+2634;&quot;gsettings-desktop-schemas&quot;
+2841;&quot;gutenprint&quot;
+3051;&quot;hsqldb&quot;
+2391;&quot;icewm&quot;
+1245, 1527, 1560, 2614, 2707, 2803, 2916;&quot;initscripts&quot;
+1155;&quot;iurt&quot;
+2685;&quot;kchmviewer&quot;
+3178;&quot;krb5&quot;
+1745;&quot;libfm&quot;
+3081;&quot;libfreetype6-devel&quot;
+3124;&quot;libtool&quot;
+1938;&quot;libxml&quot;
+1254, 1129;&quot;lxdm&quot;
+3135;&quot;lxrandr&quot;
+1622;&quot;man&quot;
+2860;&quot;mandi&quot;
+447, 999, 1082 2269, 2842 2994;&quot;meta-task&quot;
+1508, 1590, 2927, 3212, 1568, 2218, 2374, 2775, 3042, 3133;&quot;mgaonline&quot;
+2789;&quot;midori&quot;
+1525, 375, 414, 2995, 2996;&quot;mkinitrd&quot;
+441;&quot;mount&quot;
+1608, 2198;&quot;mplayer&quot;
+2761;&quot;mysql-workbench&quot;
+2983, 2291;&quot;net-tools&quot;
+865;&quot;networkmanager&quot;
+665;&quot;nss&quot;
+1476;&quot;ntfsprogs&quot;
+2958;&quot;ntp&quot;
+1136;&quot;numlock&quot;
+1923;&quot;nut&quot;
+3125;&quot;openvpn&quot;
+3192, 2503, 2879, 2892;&quot;pam&quot;
+3164;&quot;password manager&quot;
+1394;&quot;pcmanfm&quot;
+2288;&quot;pd&quot;
+169;&quot;plasma-applet-translatoid&quot;
+1811, 2506;&quot;pm-utils&quot;
+2716;&quot;qt3, fltk2&quot; Request to remove qt3 and fltk2 from cauldron distrib
+1777;&quot;qutecom&quot;
+2156;&quot;readline&quot;
+1438;&quot;rhythmbox&quot;
+1887;&quot;sane&quot;
+3185;&quot;shutter&quot;
+1147;&quot;shorewall&quot;
+947;&quot;sound-juicer&quot;
+1336, 2731;&quot;subversion&quot;
+1481, 2184, 1454, 2404, 2738;&quot;system-config-printer
+2834;&quot;task-printing-scanning&quot;
+3045;&quot;timezone-2011g&quot;
+2960;&quot;transcode&quot;
+1303, 1712, 2951;&quot;udev&quot;
+2118;&quot;unknown. KDE screensaver&quot;
+2247;&quot;userdrake&quot;
+615;&quot;virt-manager&quot;
+235;&quot;wine&quot;
+2232;&quot;wxgtk2.8&quot;
+3003;&quot;xen&quot;
+79;&quot;xfce4-panel&quot;
+2190, 2192, 3057, 3224;&quot;xfce4-session&quot;
+835, 3165;&quot;xfwm4&quot;
+1509;&quot;xguest&quot;
+758, 2194, 1908;&quot;xinitrc&quot;
+2280;&quot;xkeyboard-config&quot;
+2934, 1446;&quot;xulrunner
+
+--
+Manuel
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+ <B>Philippe Reynes</B>
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+
+If you talk about this page :&#160;
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy&amp;s[">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy&amp;s[</A>]=update&amp;s[]=policy
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+I think that I'm the stupid guy. I don't really understand where is the issue with&#160;
+this page and e17.&#160;
+
+I understand that e17 don't provide &quot;stable&quot; release with tarball. But I never see
+a &quot;mageia forbid to package software without stable release&quot;.
+
+And if yes, I mean, if it's what you want, how I can use E17 on mageia ?
+(others than completly old and obsolete tarball).
+
+
+regards,
+trem
+
+
+________________________________
+De&#160;: Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;
+&#192;&#160;: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>
+Envoy&#233; le : Lundi 31 Octobre 2011 12h03
+Objet&#160;: Re: [Mageia-dev] Re : E17 packaging
+
+Le samedi 29 octobre 2011 &#224; 18:38 +0100, Philippe Reynes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Another solution is to package e17 twice (like chromium):
+</I>&gt;<i> - an E17 -stable based stable tarball, as it was almost/already done
+</I>&gt;<i> - an E17-unstable based on svn, as it's done now
+</I>
+I am a little bit stupid, but can you explain how it solve the issue of
+not bypassing our update policy ?
+
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+<PRE>On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 06:12, Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After reading this:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2011/10/06/plans-for-1-8-7">http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2011/10/06/plans-for-1-8-7</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We will support mageia 2 for 18 months (May 2012 to Nov 2013). But
+</I>&gt;<i> upstream will end ruby 1.8.7 at the time of June 2013. That means, we
+</I>&gt;<i> won't have any support from upstream even for security issues from
+</I>&gt;<i> June 2013 to Nov 2013. Of course, if mageia 2 be delayed....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Should we update ruby into 1.9 so that we still have support from upstream?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Especially the answer from current maintainer pascal.
+</I>
+I had started updated to 1.9.2 but only spent a few hours on it and
+did not finish
+I think it would be better to have it but I can not decide before
+studying the impact
+
+If someone wants to work on it, Patch0 can be dropped and replaced
+with this option to configure:
+
+- --with-sitedir=%_prefix/lib/ruby/site_ruby \
+- --with-vendordir=%_prefix/lib/ruby/vendor_ruby \
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+<PRE>Am 31.10.2011 13:40, schrieb Philippe Reynes:
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you talk about this page :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy&amp;s[">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy&amp;s[</A>]=update&amp;s[]=policy
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy&amp;s[">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy&amp;s[</A>]=update&amp;s[]=policy&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that I'm the stupid guy. I don't really understand where is the issue
+</I>&gt;<i> with
+</I>&gt;<i> this page and e17.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I understand that e17 don't provide &quot;stable&quot; release with tarball. But I
+</I>&gt;<i> never see
+</I>&gt;<i> a &quot;mageia forbid to package software without stable release&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And if yes, I mean, if it's what you want, how I can use E17 on mageia ?
+</I>&gt;<i> (others than completly old and obsolete tarball).
+</I>To be honest, most E17 users i personally know use
+something like <A HREF="http://omicron.homeip.net/projects/#easy_e17.sh">http://omicron.homeip.net/projects/#easy_e17.sh</A>
+and compile and keep it up-to-date for themselves.
+
+As all e packages provide SPEC templates for rpm builds,
+maybe we could whip up some script which eases compilation
+and installation of E17 packages, similar to nvidia-mgabuild.sh
+for Nvidia drivers from Anssi.
+Would be unsupported, but would provide a way for E17
+users to have their preferred desktop and keep it
+up-to-date as they wish?
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> trem
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> *De :* Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> *&#192; :* <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> *Envoy&#233; le :* Lundi 31 Octobre 2011 12h03
+</I>&gt;<i> *Objet :* Re: [Mageia-dev] Re : E17 packaging
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le samedi 29 octobre 2011 &#224; 18:38 +0100, Philippe Reynes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Another solution is to package e17 twice (like chromium):
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - an E17 -stable based stable tarball, as it was almost/already done
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - an E17-unstable based on svn, as it's done now
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am a little bit stupid, but can you explain how it solve the issue of
+</I>&gt;<i> not bypassing our update policy ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 30 octobre 2011 &#224; 14:19 +0200, Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie skrev 30.10.2011 13:26:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 29/10/11 21:13 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; So?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; it's less impact on / than stuffing all of /usr on /
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I don't understand what point you're trying to make here. You'd be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; moving a whole bunch of stuff to /... And it becomes very tricky to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; administer exactly what to move to / as the dependencies are non-trivial
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to work out, the QA burden is very high to test all the various
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; combinations of setups to ensure all the required bits have been moved to /
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; After doing all that QA and ensuring all is well, then the whole
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; separate of /usr and / is totally blurred anyway. As someone campaigning
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to keep /usr on a separate partition, I'd have thought this was what you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; were trying to protect against in the first place... it seems totally
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; contradictory to suggest this as a solution.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Keep in mind that one of the key aims in highlighting this issue via
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; systemd is to actually ALLOW /usr to be a useful and self contained
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; filesystem. If /usr is properly configured without leaking half of it to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; / it could be shared across multiple machines far more easily or even
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mounted as ro by default which could prove handy for security. Again,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this is about highlighting the issues with an aim to making /usr much
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; more useful. This is a laudable aim but you seem to be shooting it down
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; due to gut reactions and prejudice. I've not yet seen any technical
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; arguments from you about the topic.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm saying moving the stuff that is _really_ needed, not based on &quot;udev
+</I>&gt;<i> might run&quot;...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> well, thinking some more on it I guess the real design flaw (not systemd
+</I>&gt;<i> specific) is using all of udev in init. Init should not care about more
+</I>&gt;<i> than getting disc access (and probably network for pxe boots)
+</I>
+That's the point that Lennart make, ie :
+&quot;we used to have / to mount all partition and /usr to be mounted, now,
+we have initramfs to mount /, and then / to mount /usr, so it would be
+simpler to merge / and /usr&quot;
+
+So that's simple. For stuff needed for initial boot, we have initrd, for
+the rest, that's /usr/
+
+<A HREF="http://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg158642.html">http://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg158642.html</A>
+
+&gt;<i> Then we wouldn't have to worry about &quot;what udev might run&quot; and could
+</I>&gt;<i> keep a very clean /
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Well, it _is_ idiotic if it breaks working setups / possibilities to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; finetune systems.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It depends on your definition of &quot;working&quot;. Sure if you specifically
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; work around the know limitations of the design then you may get a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; bootable system, which you could classify as working, but I wouldn't say
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this is a robust base. Just a house of cards waiting for the next
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; failure. I'd rather try and address the problems properly and be frank
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; about it in the discussions.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, it has worked 24/7 for servers for atleast last 15 years for
+</I>&gt;<i> servers I maintain, so I'd say that is pretty robust.
+</I>
+That's also what people say about manually compiling software in
+solaris, and I think they are wrong, so that's not really a compeling
+argument to my eyes.
+
+In fact &quot;using packages prevent me from finetuning my software&quot; is also
+a common and recuring theme from the same people ( well, slightly less
+recuring nowadays as I didn't meet people telling me so since gentoo and
+slackware usage slightly dropped ).
+
+We have unix server since 1970, that doesn't mean the assumption that
+lead to some design decision are not open to be revisited.
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+<PRE>Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 &#224; 12:40 +0000, Philippe Reynes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you talk about this page :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy&amp;s[">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy&amp;s[</A>]=update&amp;s[]=policy
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that I'm the stupid guy. I don't really understand where is
+</I>&gt;<i> the issue with
+</I>&gt;<i> this page and e17.
+</I>
+Ok so there is a bug to fix in e17, what do you do ?
+
+Or a security issue like the one I found ( and that should be fixed I
+hope soon, after reporting it 3 times upstream ).
+
+if the answer is &quot;we ship a newer snapshot who requires to rebuild
+everything regarding e17 because there is no guarantee of binary
+stability ( ie, ABI wise ) and that will introduce unwanted changes&quot;,
+then the problem is here.
+
+Unless the snapshot are bugfixes only ( and they are not ), that's a
+problem. That's already annoying to have to do it for chrome, firefox
+and thunderbird to not happily increase our burden with a whole desktop
+environnement.
+
+So far, I have asked the question 3 times. No one answered at all.
+
+
+Also, please do not top post.
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Ok so there is a bug to fix in e17, what do you do ?
+</I>
+I report it to upstream team (on irc or on the ML)
+
+&gt;<i> Or a security issue like the one I found ( and that should be fixed I
+</I>&gt;<i> hope soon, after reporting it 3 times upstream ).
+</I>
+Same way, report it upstream.
+If upstream don't fix a bug (or security issue), this bug isn't fixed.
+unless packager become a dev and fix the bug himself.
+
+&gt;<i> if the answer is &quot;we ship a newer snapshot who requires to rebuild
+</I>&gt;<i> everything regarding e17 because there is no guarantee of binary
+</I>&gt;<i> stability ( ie, ABI wise ) and that will introduce unwanted changes&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> then the problem is here.&#160;
+</I>
+I was thinking about something like this.
+
+&gt;<i> Unless the snapshot are bugfixes only ( and they are not ), that's a
+</I>&gt;<i> problem. That's already annoying to have to do it for chrome, firefox
+</I>&gt;<i> and thunderbird to not happily increase our burden with a whole desktop
+</I>&gt;<i> environnement.
+</I>
+Without stable release, and upstream team doing fix release. I don't know
+how to do manage package.
+
+&gt;<i> So far, I have asked the question 3 times. No one answered at all.
+</I>
+
+I hope it's done this time.
+
+&gt;<i> Also, please do not top post.&#160;
+</I>
+Sorry, will try ...
+
+
+So, yes, there isn't any way to manage bug/security issue in a very easy way
+when upstream team don't provide stable tarball. So, what is the mageia&#160;
+policy in this case ? no packaging at all ? &quot;private&quot; packaging ?
+
+
+regards,
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+<PRE>Michael Scherer skrev 31.10.2011 18:07:
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 30 octobre 2011 &#224; 14:19 +0200, Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm saying moving the stuff that is _really_ needed, not based on &quot;udev
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> might run&quot;...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> well, thinking some more on it I guess the real design flaw (not systemd
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> specific) is using all of udev in init. Init should not care about more
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> than getting disc access (and probably network for pxe boots)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's the point that Lennart make, ie :
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;we used to have / to mount all partition and /usr to be mounted, now,
+</I>&gt;<i> we have initramfs to mount /, and then / to mount /usr, so it would be
+</I>&gt;<i> simpler to merge / and /usr&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+-ENOTCONVINCED
+
+So why merge / and /usr and kill a usable feature?
+
+Just have initramfs mount / and /usr, no need to merge.
+
+
+&gt;<i> So that's simple. For stuff needed for initial boot, we have initrd, for
+</I>&gt;<i> the rest, that's /usr/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg158642.html">http://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg158642.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+-ESTILLNOTCONVINCED
+
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Then we wouldn't have to worry about &quot;what udev might run&quot; and could
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> keep a very clean /
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Well, it _is_ idiotic if it breaks working setups / possibilities to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> finetune systems.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It depends on your definition of &quot;working&quot;. Sure if you specifically
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> work around the know limitations of the design then you may get a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> bootable system, which you could classify as working, but I wouldn't say
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this is a robust base. Just a house of cards waiting for the next
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> failure. I'd rather try and address the problems properly and be frank
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> about it in the discussions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, it has worked 24/7 for servers for atleast last 15 years for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> servers I maintain, so I'd say that is pretty robust.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's also what people say about manually compiling software in
+</I>&gt;<i> solaris, and I think they are wrong, so that's not really a compeling
+</I>&gt;<i> argument to my eyes.
+</I>
+Yeah, well that's your opinion.
+
+&gt;<i> In fact &quot;using packages prevent me from finetuning my software&quot; is also
+</I>&gt;<i> a common and recuring theme from the same people ( well, slightly less
+</I>&gt;<i> recuring nowadays as I didn't meet people telling me so since gentoo and
+</I>&gt;<i> slackware usage slightly dropped ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have unix server since 1970, that doesn't mean the assumption that
+</I>&gt;<i> lead to some design decision are not open to be revisited.
+</I>
+I dont mind people revisiting design decisions, but breaking working
+setups sucks bigtime.
+
+But I guess that's the development trend nowdays: &quot;I cant be bothered to
+fix things properly so I just call it &quot;depreceated&quot;... and go ahead
+and break things just as I like&quot;
+
+Oh well, I guess it's time to start blacklisting some rpms to ensure
+things keep working as they are intended.
+
+--
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+<PRE>Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 &#224; 19:06 +0200, Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Michael Scherer skrev 31.10.2011 18:07:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le dimanche 30 octobre 2011 &#224; 14:19 +0200, Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I'm saying moving the stuff that is _really_ needed, not based on &quot;udev
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; might run&quot;...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; well, thinking some more on it I guess the real design flaw (not systemd
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; specific) is using all of udev in init. Init should not care about more
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; than getting disc access (and probably network for pxe boots)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That's the point that Lennart make, ie :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;we used to have / to mount all partition and /usr to be mounted, now,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; we have initramfs to mount /, and then / to mount /usr, so it would be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; simpler to merge / and /usr&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -ENOTCONVINCED
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So why merge / and /usr and kill a usable feature?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just have initramfs mount / and /usr, no need to merge.
+</I>
+What is the usable feature ?
+
+To be able to put some kind of quota on /usr ?
+
+To be able to use a different fs for / and /usr ?
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Then we wouldn't have to worry about &quot;what udev might run&quot; and could
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; keep a very clean /
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Well, it _is_ idiotic if it breaks working setups / possibilities to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; finetune systems.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; It depends on your definition of &quot;working&quot;. Sure if you specifically
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; work around the know limitations of the design then you may get a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; bootable system, which you could classify as working, but I wouldn't say
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; this is a robust base. Just a house of cards waiting for the next
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; failure. I'd rather try and address the problems properly and be frank
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; about it in the discussions.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Well, it has worked 24/7 for servers for atleast last 15 years for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; servers I maintain, so I'd say that is pretty robust.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That's also what people say about manually compiling software in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; solaris, and I think they are wrong, so that's not really a compeling
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; argument to my eyes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah, well that's your opinion.
+</I>
+That's also yours, or you would be using solaris or slackware instead of
+doing packages.
+
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; In fact &quot;using packages prevent me from finetuning my software&quot; is also
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; a common and recuring theme from the same people ( well, slightly less
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; recuring nowadays as I didn't meet people telling me so since gentoo and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; slackware usage slightly dropped ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We have unix server since 1970, that doesn't mean the assumption that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; lead to some design decision are not open to be revisited.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I dont mind people revisiting design decisions, but breaking working
+</I>&gt;<i> setups sucks bigtime.
+</I>
+So basically, you want fix that just change nothing ?
+
+&gt;<i> But I guess that's the development trend nowdays: &quot;I cant be bothered to
+</I>&gt;<i> fix things properly so I just call it &quot;depreceated&quot;... and go ahead
+</I>&gt;<i> and break things just as I like&quot;
+</I>
+Well, what do you propose to fix this properly ?
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
+
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 31/10/11 17:06 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Michael Scherer skrev 31.10.2011 18:07:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le dimanche 30 octobre 2011 &#224; 14:19 +0200, Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm saying moving the stuff that is _really_ needed, not based on &quot;udev
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> might run&quot;...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> well, thinking some more on it I guess the real design flaw (not systemd
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> specific) is using all of udev in init. Init should not care about more
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> than getting disc access (and probably network for pxe boots)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's the point that Lennart make, ie :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;we used to have / to mount all partition and /usr to be mounted, now,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we have initramfs to mount /, and then / to mount /usr, so it would be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> simpler to merge / and /usr&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -ENOTCONVINCED
+</I>
+:<i>)
+</I>
+
+&gt;<i> Just have initramfs mount / and /usr, no need to merge.
+</I>
+Yes, this is exactly what is intended, but it depends on the use case:
+
+For simple installs, such as on my laptop or typical &quot;desktop&quot; linux,
+then having separate / and /usr is something I've specifically avoided
+for just about ever (I sometimes have separate /boot for &quot;complicated
+rootfs&quot; reasons and I almost always have a separate /home, but other
+than that, I like to keep my desktops/laptops simple). In other words
+there just are not sufficient benefits in doing this.
+
+But on the server, especially on a farm of servers with a potentially
+shared /usr across several machines, then yes, keeping it as something
+that can be mounted by the initramfs is perfectly feasible. This is a
+specific use case that Lennart + Co are trying to design for.
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>[Sorry for multiple replies, missed this bit in the last one :s]
+
+'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 31/10/11 17:06 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> But I guess that's the development trend nowdays: &quot;I cant be bothered to
+</I>&gt;<i> fix things properly so I just call it &quot;depreceated&quot;... and go ahead
+</I>&gt;<i> and break things just as I like&quot;
+</I>
+
+I think that's a little unfair in the representation of this problem (I
+won't comment if this *is* an overall trend).
+
+I think there has been a significant push recently to break from
+&quot;traditions&quot; that are holding things back. If something doesn't work *by
+design* then coming up with an alternative way of working and
+deprecating the old way seems like a perfect way of driving progress IMO.
+
+The &quot;I can't be bothered to fix things properly&quot; could easily be applied
+to the current status quo, which has a carefully ordered sequence of
+otherwise parallelisable tasks and a careful placement of certain key
+files, just because no one can &quot;be bothered&quot; to address the underlying
+design issues.
+
+I guess it's likely just a matter of perspective/opinion as to which
+philosophy &quot;can't be bothered&quot;.
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Colin Guthrie skrev 31.10.2011 19:47:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 31/10/11 17:06 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Michael Scherer skrev 31.10.2011 18:07:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le dimanche 30 octobre 2011 &#224; 14:19 +0200, Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm saying moving the stuff that is _really_ needed, not based on &quot;udev
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> might run&quot;...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> well, thinking some more on it I guess the real design flaw (not systemd
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> specific) is using all of udev in init. Init should not care about more
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> than getting disc access (and probably network for pxe boots)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That's the point that Lennart make, ie :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;we used to have / to mount all partition and /usr to be mounted, now,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> we have initramfs to mount /, and then / to mount /usr, so it would be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> simpler to merge / and /usr&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -ENOTCONVINCED
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just have initramfs mount / and /usr, no need to merge.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, this is exactly what is intended, but it depends on the use case:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Then I have misread something somewhere along the way... :/
+
+&gt;<i> For simple installs, such as on my laptop or typical &quot;desktop&quot; linux,
+</I>&gt;<i> then having separate / and /usr is something I've specifically avoided
+</I>&gt;<i> for just about ever (I sometimes have separate /boot for &quot;complicated
+</I>&gt;<i> rootfs&quot; reasons and I almost always have a separate /home, but other
+</I>&gt;<i> than that, I like to keep my desktops/laptops simple). In other words
+</I>&gt;<i> there just are not sufficient benefits in doing this.
+</I>
+Yes,
+I agree for the desktop/laptop/pad/ use there is no need for splitting
+besides /home and maybe separate /boot if you want to use encryption.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But on the server, especially on a farm of servers with a potentially
+</I>&gt;<i> shared /usr across several machines, then yes, keeping it as something
+</I>&gt;<i> that can be mounted by the initramfs is perfectly feasible. This is a
+</I>&gt;<i> specific use case that Lennart + Co are trying to design for.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Ok, this is exactly the part that have raised my concerns that it was
+about to be &quot;forgotten&quot; in favour of &quot;simplicity&quot;.
+
+Server installs usually want to be more &quot;free&quot; to finetune.
+
+Another use case is to be able to split up the system on more harddisks
+to even the load on the disks.
+
+And yet another is simply to get more space depending on hw.
+(yes I know lvm exists but it's also an extra layer / point of failure
+ that is not always worth it)
+
+But if this part is the &quot;some specific usecases&quot; then I guess I need to
+start re-reading some stuff :)
+
+--
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+<PRE>Colin Guthrie skrev 31.10.2011 19:54:
+&gt;<i> [Sorry for multiple replies, missed this bit in the last one :s]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 31/10/11 17:06 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But I guess that's the development trend nowdays: &quot;I cant be bothered to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fix things properly so I just call it &quot;depreceated&quot;... and go ahead
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and break things just as I like&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that's a little unfair in the representation of this problem (I
+</I>&gt;<i> won't comment if this *is* an overall trend).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yeah, I guess I'm blowing some steam based on some misunderstandings
+regarding this problem :)
+
+On the overall trend I think it still stands, atleast for many companies
+that I have had to deal with when they deliver
+apps/&quot;cloud *&quot;/... that does not work even closly to how it's supposed
+to... :/
+
+&lt;ot&gt;
+One _big_ company built a new ticket ordering system, and when they
+send the tickets by mail they will be sent as pdf. so far so good.
+But then the guy responsible for the coding pretty much thougth
+&quot;hey its a file that is in pdf format, so lets set the mimetype to
+file/pdf&quot;. and even if I have pointed out many times that there is
+no such thing, it's still not fixed.
+
+An other companys booking system showes the whole booking info
+that belongs in the mail body in the mail header. and when I
+pointed out the problem, the response was pretty much &quot;it's too
+hard to fix&quot;, and since mailservers can cope with it, I guess it
+will never be fixed...
+
+I could go on, but this is just the two last incidents I have
+had to work around and it seems it just happends more and more...
+&lt;/ot&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> I think there has been a significant push recently to break from
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;traditions&quot; that are holding things back. If something doesn't work *by
+</I>&gt;<i> design* then coming up with an alternative way of working and
+</I>&gt;<i> deprecating the old way seems like a perfect way of driving progress IMO.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yeah, in some cases deprecating is unavoidable, that's true, in other
+cases it seems to have been done too easily.
+
+&gt;<i> The &quot;I can't be bothered to fix things properly&quot; could easily be applied
+</I>&gt;<i> to the current status quo, which has a carefully ordered sequence of
+</I>&gt;<i> otherwise parallelisable tasks and a careful placement of certain key
+</I>&gt;<i> files, just because no one can &quot;be bothered&quot; to address the underlying
+</I>&gt;<i> design issues.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+touch&#233; :)
+
+&gt;<i> I guess it's likely just a matter of perspective/opinion as to which
+</I>&gt;<i> philosophy &quot;can't be bothered&quot;.
+</I>
+Yeah,
+but it's always good to get perspective/opinions from several points in
+order to get a good product in the end :)
+
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+Thomas
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+<PRE>Op maandag 31 oktober 2011 13:16:55 schreef Manuel Hiebel:
+[...]
+&gt;<i> ##Package with more than 3 bugs:
+</I>&gt;<i> 2392, 3200, 3198;&quot;chromium-browser&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 2249, 2740, 3199, 2449, 1633;&quot;desktop-common-data&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 1867, 2650, 2644, 2653, 2627;&quot;evolution&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 1857, 1721, 2937;&quot;f-spot&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 942, 1483, 2628;&quot;gdm&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 416, 2888, 1759, 2121;&quot;grub&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 1245, 1527, 1560, 2614, 2707, 2803, 2916;&quot;initscripts&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 447, 999, 1082 2269, 2842 2994;&quot;meta-task&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 1508, 1590, 2927, 3212, 1568, 2218, 2374, 2775, 3042, 3133;&quot;mgaonline&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 1525, 375, 414, 2995, 2996;&quot;mkinitrd&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 3192, 2503, 2879, 2892;&quot;pam&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 1481, 2184, 1454, 2404, 2738;&quot;system-config-printer
+</I>&gt;<i> 2834;&quot;task-printing-scanning&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 1303, 1712, 2951;&quot;udev&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 2190, 2192, 3057, 3224;&quot;xfce4-session&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 758, 2194, 1908;&quot;xinitrc&quot;
+</I>
+I vote to drop chromium and evolution and xfce4-session and gdm, because no
+maintainer and too much open bugs. and i don't use them :-)
+
+also i wonder why mgaonline has so many bugs...
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 31/10/11 19:01 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie skrev 31.10.2011 19:47:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Just have initramfs mount / and /usr, no need to merge.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, this is exactly what is intended, but it depends on the use case:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then I have misread something somewhere along the way... :/
+</I>
+Yeah the link Olav provided (
+<A HREF="http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken">http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken</A>
+) is certainly worth reading if you've not already done so. The &quot;Going
+Forward&quot; section in particular starts with this quote:
+
+&quot;/usr on its own filesystem is useful in some custom setups. But instead
+of expecting the traditional Unix way to (sometimes mindlessly)
+distributing tools between /usr and /, and require more and more tools
+to move to /, we now just expect /usr to be pre-mounted from inside the
+initramfs, to be available before 'init' starts.&quot;
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> For simple installs, such as on my laptop or typical &quot;desktop&quot; linux,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then having separate / and /usr is something I've specifically avoided
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for just about ever (I sometimes have separate /boot for &quot;complicated
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rootfs&quot; reasons and I almost always have a separate /home, but other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> than that, I like to keep my desktops/laptops simple). In other words
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> there just are not sufficient benefits in doing this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes,
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree for the desktop/laptop/pad/ use there is no need for splitting
+</I>&gt;<i> besides /home and maybe separate /boot if you want to use encryption.
+</I>
+Nod
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> But on the server, especially on a farm of servers with a potentially
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> shared /usr across several machines, then yes, keeping it as something
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that can be mounted by the initramfs is perfectly feasible. This is a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> specific use case that Lennart + Co are trying to design for.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, this is exactly the part that have raised my concerns that it was
+</I>&gt;<i> about to be &quot;forgotten&quot; in favour of &quot;simplicity&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Server installs usually want to be more &quot;free&quot; to finetune.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Another use case is to be able to split up the system on more harddisks
+</I>&gt;<i> to even the load on the disks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And yet another is simply to get more space depending on hw.
+</I>&gt;<i> (yes I know lvm exists but it's also an extra layer / point of failure
+</I>&gt;<i> that is not always worth it)
+</I>
+Totally agree about LVM (and to a lesser degree the RAID layer)... I'm
+looking forward to btrfs which merges in the RAID layers and (I think -
+I've not fully read up on it) the LVM functionality too.
+
+Currently, I've found performance really takes a hit with my RAID+LVM
+setups... 40M/s write speeds where as just plain RAID was getting closer
+to 160M/s... this is likely in part due to 4k sector sizes too of
+course. But I digress!
+
+&gt;<i> But if this part is the &quot;some specific usecases&quot; then I guess I need to
+</I>&gt;<i> start re-reading some stuff :)
+</I>
+:<i>)
+</I>
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 20:37:14, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Op maandag 31 oktober 2011 13:16:55 schreef Manuel Hiebel:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ##Package with more than 3 bugs:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2392, 3200, 3198;&quot;chromium-browser&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2249, 2740, 3199, 2449, 1633;&quot;desktop-common-data&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1867, 2650, 2644, 2653, 2627;&quot;evolution&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1857, 1721, 2937;&quot;f-spot&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 942, 1483, 2628;&quot;gdm&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 416, 2888, 1759, 2121;&quot;grub&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1245, 1527, 1560, 2614, 2707, 2803, 2916;&quot;initscripts&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 447, 999, 1082 2269, 2842 2994;&quot;meta-task&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1508, 1590, 2927, 3212, 1568, 2218, 2374, 2775, 3042, 3133;&quot;mgaonline&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1525, 375, 414, 2995, 2996;&quot;mkinitrd&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 3192, 2503, 2879, 2892;&quot;pam&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1481, 2184, 1454, 2404, 2738;&quot;system-config-printer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2834;&quot;task-printing-scanning&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1303, 1712, 2951;&quot;udev&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2190, 2192, 3057, 3224;&quot;xfce4-session&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 758, 2194, 1908;&quot;xinitrc&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I vote to drop chromium and evolution and xfce4-session and gdm, because no
+</I>&gt;<i> maintainer and too much open bugs. and i don't use them :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> also i wonder why mgaonline has so many bugs...
+</I>
+I know this is a joke, but dropping packages from cauldron doesn't remove bugs
+from Mageia 1 :)
+
+Samuel
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+<PRE>Op maandag 31 oktober 2011 21:19:13 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 20:37:14, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op maandag 31 oktober 2011 13:16:55 schreef Manuel Hiebel:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; ##Package with more than 3 bugs:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 2392, 3200, 3198;&quot;chromium-browser&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 2249, 2740, 3199, 2449, 1633;&quot;desktop-common-data&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 1867, 2650, 2644, 2653, 2627;&quot;evolution&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 1857, 1721, 2937;&quot;f-spot&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 942, 1483, 2628;&quot;gdm&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 416, 2888, 1759, 2121;&quot;grub&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 1245, 1527, 1560, 2614, 2707, 2803, 2916;&quot;initscripts&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 447, 999, 1082 2269, 2842 2994;&quot;meta-task&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 1508, 1590, 2927, 3212, 1568, 2218, 2374, 2775, 3042, 3133;&quot;mgaonline&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 1525, 375, 414, 2995, 2996;&quot;mkinitrd&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 3192, 2503, 2879, 2892;&quot;pam&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 1481, 2184, 1454, 2404, 2738;&quot;system-config-printer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 2834;&quot;task-printing-scanning&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 1303, 1712, 2951;&quot;udev&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 2190, 2192, 3057, 3224;&quot;xfce4-session&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 758, 2194, 1908;&quot;xinitrc&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I vote to drop chromium and evolution and xfce4-session and gdm, because
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; no maintainer and too much open bugs. and i don't use them :-)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; also i wonder why mgaonline has so many bugs...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I know this is a joke, but dropping packages from cauldron doesn't remove
+</I>&gt;<i> bugs from Mageia 1 :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>
+ok, what about dropping it from Mageia 1 as well? just have task-mageia
+require deletion of chromium-browser ...
+
+But seriously, if we can't maintain/fix something like chromium-browser, we
+should just drop it completely, maybe have a get-chromium package instead
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+<PRE>On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Op maandag 31 oktober 2011 21:19:13 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 20:37:14, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Op maandag 31 oktober 2011 13:16:55 schreef Manuel Hiebel:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; ##Package with more than 3 bugs:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 2392, 3200, 3198;&quot;chromium-browser&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 2249, 2740, 3199, 2449, 1633;&quot;desktop-common-data&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 1867, 2650, 2644, 2653, 2627;&quot;evolution&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 1857, 1721, 2937;&quot;f-spot&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 942, 1483, 2628;&quot;gdm&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 416, 2888, 1759, 2121;&quot;grub&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 1245, 1527, 1560, 2614, 2707, 2803, 2916;&quot;initscripts&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 447, 999, 1082 2269, 2842 2994;&quot;meta-task&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 1508, 1590, 2927, 3212, 1568, 2218, 2374, 2775, 3042, 3133;&quot;mgaonline&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 1525, 375, 414, 2995, 2996;&quot;mkinitrd&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 3192, 2503, 2879, 2892;&quot;pam&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 1481, 2184, 1454, 2404, 2738;&quot;system-config-printer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 2834;&quot;task-printing-scanning&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 1303, 1712, 2951;&quot;udev&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 2190, 2192, 3057, 3224;&quot;xfce4-session&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 758, 2194, 1908;&quot;xinitrc&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I vote to drop chromium and evolution and xfce4-session and gdm, because
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; no maintainer and too much open bugs. and i don't use them :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; also i wonder why mgaonline has so many bugs...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I know this is a joke, but dropping packages from cauldron doesn't remove
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bugs from Mageia 1 :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ok, what about dropping it from Mageia 1 as well? just have task-mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> require deletion of chromium-browser ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But seriously, if we can't maintain/fix something like chromium-browser, we
+</I>&gt;<i> should just drop it completely, maybe have a get-chromium package instead
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+why ? i package it regularly and tvignaud too.
+what about dropping all packages that have bugs ? this is just stupid
+and you should first ask ppl packaging it before giving such ideas
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+&gt;<i> &gt; But seriously, if we can't maintain/fix something like chromium-browser,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; we should just drop it completely, maybe have a get-chromium package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; instead
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> why ? i package it regularly and tvignaud too.
+</I>&gt;<i> what about dropping all packages that have bugs ? this is just stupid
+</I>&gt;<i> and you should first ask ppl packaging it before giving such ideas
+</I>
+ok, i get it, (allthough i did say &quot;IF&quot;) I guess it's a misguided attempt of
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 31/10/11 20:55 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Op maandag 31 oktober 2011 21:34:04 schreef D.Morgan:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But seriously, if we can't maintain/fix something like chromium-browser,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> we should just drop it completely, maybe have a get-chromium package
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> instead
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> why ? i package it regularly and tvignaud too.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what about dropping all packages that have bugs ? this is just stupid
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and you should first ask ppl packaging it before giving such ideas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ok, i get it, (allthough i did say &quot;IF&quot;) I guess it's a misguided attempt of
+</I>&gt;<i> myself to get more maintainership...
+</I>
+I think the attempts to get more official partnerships by Samuel and
+yourself are very valuable, but by the same token, I think we need to
+accept that having a single maintainer for some packages just doens't
+make sense.
+
+For example things like initscripts, udev, systemd etc. should be
+maintained by a &quot;core&quot; team, and IMO, not a single person (tho' if
+someone steps up and is proven to be reliable then this is obviously not
+a bad thing per-se!). I'm certainly happy to help out here.
+
+This is a bit OT for this thread tho'... :)
+
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+<PRE>On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 31/10/11 20:55 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op maandag 31 oktober 2011 21:34:04 schreef D.Morgan:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But seriously, if we can't maintain/fix something like chromium-browser,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> we should just drop it completely, maybe have a get-chromium package
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> instead
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> why ? i package it regularly and tvignaud too.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> what about dropping all packages that have bugs ? &#160;this is just stupid
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and you should first ask ppl packaging it before giving such ideas
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ok, i get it, (allthough i did say &quot;IF&quot;) I guess it's a misguided attempt of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> myself to get more maintainership...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think the attempts to get more official partnerships by Samuel and
+</I>&gt;<i> yourself are very valuable, but by the same token, I think we need to
+</I>&gt;<i> accept that having a single maintainer for some packages just doens't
+</I>&gt;<i> make sense.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For example things like initscripts, udev, systemd etc. should be
+</I>&gt;<i> maintained by a &quot;core&quot; team, and IMO, not a single person (tho' if
+</I>&gt;<i> someone steps up and is proven to be reliable then this is obviously not
+</I>&gt;<i> a bad thing per-se!). I'm certainly happy to help out here.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is a bit OT for this thread tho'... :)
+</I>
+i completly agree on your point.
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> For example things like initscripts, udev, systemd etc. should be
+</I>&gt;<i> maintained by a &quot;core&quot; team, and IMO, not a single person (tho' if
+</I>&gt;<i> someone steps up and is proven to be reliable then this is obviously not
+</I>&gt;<i> a bad thing per-se!). I'm certainly happy to help out here.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is a bit OT for this thread tho'... :)
+</I>
+it's still true though.
+
+there are certain packages i would help out on cause i'm using them anyway,
+but i don't want to be single maintainer:
+
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+- httpd
+- ...
+
+perhaps it would be interesting to list teams on wiki (with full package list
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+<PRE>On 31/10/11 21:12, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+&gt;<i> Op maandag 31 oktober 2011 22:06:25 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For example things like initscripts, udev, systemd etc. should be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> maintained by a &quot;core&quot; team, and IMO, not a single person (tho' if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> someone steps up and is proven to be reliable then this is obviously not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a bad thing per-se!). I'm certainly happy to help out here.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is a bit OT for this thread tho'... :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it's still true though.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> there are certain packages i would help out on cause i'm using them anyway,
+</I>&gt;<i> but i don't want to be single maintainer:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - mysql/mariadb
+</I>&gt;<i> - httpd
+</I>&gt;<i> - ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> perhaps it would be interesting to list teams on wiki (with full package list
+</I>&gt;<i> and member list for this team/group) and have team leader grab them all for
+</I>&gt;<i> maintainership. or even a fake identity forwarding the emails to the members
+</I>
+Can I just mention bug 2317 and run away!
+
+Claire
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+<PRE>Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 &#224; 16:56 +0000, Philippe Reynes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, yes, there isn't any way to manage bug/security issue in a very
+</I>&gt;<i> easy way when upstream team don't provide stable tarball. So, what is
+</I>&gt;<i> the mageia policy in this case ? no packaging at all ? &quot;private&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> packaging ?
+</I>
+So far, there is no policy specific for this issue. Hence the importance
+of discussing.
+
+Personnaly, I think we should really try hard to avoid a 4th
+firefox-like problem.
+
+I also think the current way is not something that will satisfy upstream
+coders if we ship old versions of their software when they think it is
+not ready.
+
+So as Florian told, maybe packaging a proper script to update e17 could
+help. I think we can ship the stable bit of e17, for people wanting to
+use them.
+Or see
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-October/009155.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-October/009155.html</A>
+for other type of solution.
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 31/10/11 20:55 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op maandag 31 oktober 2011 21:34:04 schreef D.Morgan:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; But seriously, if we can't maintain/fix something like chromium-browser,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; we should just drop it completely, maybe have a get-chromium package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; instead
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; why ? i package it regularly and tvignaud too.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; what about dropping all packages that have bugs ? this is just stupid
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; and you should first ask ppl packaging it before giving such ideas
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ok, i get it, (allthough i did say &quot;IF&quot;) I guess it's a misguided attempt of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; myself to get more maintainership...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think the attempts to get more official partnerships by Samuel and
+</I>&gt;<i> yourself are very valuable, but by the same token, I think we need to
+</I>&gt;<i> accept that having a single maintainer for some packages just doens't
+</I>&gt;<i> make sense.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For example things like initscripts, udev, systemd etc. should be
+</I>&gt;<i> maintained by a &quot;core&quot; team, and IMO, not a single person (tho' if
+</I>&gt;<i> someone steps up and is proven to be reliable then this is obviously not
+</I>&gt;<i> a bad thing per-se!). I'm certainly happy to help out here.
+</I>
+Well, so far, the system do not support this.
+
+So either this supposed team is able to organise itself to have one of
+the member to act as a gate to take maitainership and dispatch task, or
+someone patch the maintdb script to have more than one person.
+
+As long as &quot;being managed by several people&quot; will be seen the same way
+as &quot;maintained by nobody&quot;, we will have the same problem as mandriva.
+
+Being maintained officially by someone do not prevent others to help.
+So I do not see any good reason to have them marked as nobody.
+
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+&gt;<i> I think the attempts to get more official partnerships by Samuel and
+</I>&gt;<i> yourself are very valuable, but by the same token, I think we need to
+</I>&gt;<i> accept that having a single maintainer for some packages just doens't
+</I>&gt;<i> make sense.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For example things like initscripts, udev, systemd etc. should be
+</I>&gt;<i> maintained by a &quot;core&quot; team, and IMO, not a single person (tho' if
+</I>&gt;<i> someone steps up and is proven to be reliable then this is obviously not
+</I>&gt;<i> a bad thing per-se!). I'm certainly happy to help out here.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is a bit OT for this thread tho'... :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>Feel free to do a quick list on a wiki page, it's easy workaround of the
+maintdb.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Michael Scherer at 31/10/11 21:44 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 &#224; 21:06 +0000, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 31/10/11 20:55 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Op maandag 31 oktober 2011 21:34:04 schreef D.Morgan:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But seriously, if we can't maintain/fix something like chromium-browser,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> we should just drop it completely, maybe have a get-chromium package
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> instead
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> why ? i package it regularly and tvignaud too.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> what about dropping all packages that have bugs ? this is just stupid
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and you should first ask ppl packaging it before giving such ideas
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ok, i get it, (allthough i did say &quot;IF&quot;) I guess it's a misguided attempt of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> myself to get more maintainership...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think the attempts to get more official partnerships by Samuel and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> yourself are very valuable, but by the same token, I think we need to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> accept that having a single maintainer for some packages just doens't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> make sense.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For example things like initscripts, udev, systemd etc. should be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> maintained by a &quot;core&quot; team, and IMO, not a single person (tho' if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> someone steps up and is proven to be reliable then this is obviously not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a bad thing per-se!). I'm certainly happy to help out here.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, so far, the system do not support this.
+</I>
+Indeed.
+
+&gt;<i> So either this supposed team is able to organise itself to have one of
+</I>&gt;<i> the member to act as a gate to take maitainership and dispatch task
+</I>
+I think both socially and expectation wise, being a the gatekeeper in
+such context still carries a lot of responsibility that people would not
+feel too comfortable with, nor would there necessarily be the social
+hierarchy where said gatekeeper would feel sufficiently authorised to
+dish out tasks to others.
+
+&gt;<i> or someone patch the maintdb script to have more than one person.
+</I>
+This would be better, or perhaps &quot;team accounts&quot; can be created which
+forward mail to the members rather than having multiple maintainers..
+not sure if this is easier infrastructure wise or not but the net
+outcome is the same either ways so whatever makes more sense.
+
+&gt;<i> As long as &quot;being managed by several people&quot; will be seen the same way
+</I>&gt;<i> as &quot;maintained by nobody&quot;, we will have the same problem as mandriva.
+</I>
+Personally I don't buy that explanation. Of course it can be true in
+some cases (everyone just waits for someone else to fix it) but I
+suspect the odds of things getting fixed is still much higher than when
+a package is officially maintained by nobody...
+
+&gt;<i> Being maintained officially by someone do not prevent others to help.
+</I>&gt;<i> So I do not see any good reason to have them marked as nobody.
+</I>
+I certainly don't expect a package maintained by a team to be marked as
+nobody (well, certainly not longer term). But again, I think even
+allocating a gatekeeper or a team leader puts too many social pressures
+on that person, and imposes something of a hierarchy that really doesn't
+seem appropriate. Also things don't happen automatically - such as all
+the team members getting CC'ed on bugzilla etc which would make it quite
+a lot of admin work for said gatekeeper on top of the actual bug fixes
+which again I think is too much.
+
+I think things need to work automatically as much as possible with loose
+couplings rather than appointed leaders. We need to get teams (either
+via team accounts or by multiple maintainers) and ensure that when a bug
+is assigned to a team, that all members get emails about it (perhaps as
+separate CC's allowing someone in the team to assign the bug to
+themselves but still keep the others included in the communications -
+although this could also be done with the QA contact field in BZ I think
+(we use it in a similar way in PA with the fd.o bugzilla) although just
+ensuring everyone knows to add the team email to the CC when assigning
+to themselves would be enough).
+
+Obviously someone needs to do the work to make the infrastructure cope
+with this :s Let's form a team to see who'll do it... :p
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
+</PRE>
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+ <B>Luca Berra</B>
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+<PRE>I switched from mkinitrd to dracut on all systems using lvm in order to
+prevent these very issues
+actually in mandriva i pushed for migrating to dracut
+i would suggest doing the same thing with mageia
+
+On 19/10/11 16:00, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 19 October 2011 15:20, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In testing a more extensive use of systemd (i.e. using it to mount
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> filesystems etc. rather than using rc.sysinit) I've run into a few
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> problems regarding the fact that my LVM is activated in the initrd.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Due to this, various entries in the udev db are not set. systemd uses
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> these missing bits to launch the local-fs.target and thus fails (even if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it's just my /home that is broken which won't really be needed).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've been told in various discussions with upstream that ultimately we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> need to use udev in the initrd. It seems that fedora and suse at least
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> do this.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can work around it of course (we do so just now) but I'd like to get
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> things working as &quot;natively&quot; as possible with systemd if possible.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So should we:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a) Try to incorporate udev into our mkinitrd?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> b) Switch to dracut
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not an expert at this stuff, but I know that Mandriva has started
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> using dracut more and I think it's likely the best solution overall
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> seeing as it's Fedora's preferred mechanism too.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But I didn't want to start looking at it until there is some consensus
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on this - hence this email.
+</I>&gt;<i> I think we shall not support the mkinitrd burden only by ourselves
+</I>&gt;<i> If all other are switching to dracut, we may have to too
+</I>&gt;<i> At some point, we'd extensive changes (by Luca?) for detecting MD/DM/LV,
+</I>&gt;<i> dunno if drakcut is ready to replace?
+</I>
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+ <B>Luca Berra</B>
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+<PRE>On 10/21/2011 1:28 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Luca Berra at 20/10/11 19:55 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I switched from mkinitrd to dracut on all systems using lvm in order to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> prevent these very issues
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> actually in mandriva i pushed for migrating to dracut
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i would suggest doing the same thing with mageia
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cool.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, so I've imported the Mandriva dracut package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Look out for an announce mail and call for testing to the list shortly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Please drop the dracut-011-rosa-livecdfix.patch
+it is a piece of junk...
+i already removed it once but ppl at rosa added it again without
+commenting on its rationale...
+
+L.
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+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Oct 31 23:16:07 CET 2011</i><br>
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+
+<LI><A HREF="008813.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Altizer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008649.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: kernel-3.1-rc9 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008680.html">[Mageia-dev] 32 bits packages preferred over 64 bits packages?
+</A><A NAME="8680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008689.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-*
+</A><A NAME="8689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008722.html">[Mageia-dev] problem with build system?
+</A><A NAME="8722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008755.html">[Mageia-dev] x11-server 1.11.0
+</A><A NAME="8755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008784.html">[Mageia-dev] x11-server 1.11.0
+</A><A NAME="8784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008800.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008920.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008923.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008947.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008950.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008952.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008955.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008959.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008966.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008975.html">[Mageia-dev] virtualbox 4.0.14 update for Mageia 1?
+</A><A NAME="8975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008980.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008998.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009010.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009019.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009041.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009043.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009054.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009066.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009070.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009071.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009074.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009090.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009092.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009093.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009102.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009104.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009105.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009134.html">[Mageia-dev] package removal request
+</A><A NAME="9134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009144.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009147.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009148.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009152.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009156.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009162.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009171.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [158743] Apply P0
+</A><A NAME="9171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009174.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009205.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009209.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009222.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009242.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009246.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009247.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008568.html">[Mageia-dev] pm-utils and requires to bootloader-utils
+</A><A NAME="8568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008569.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release zoom-1.1.4-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008636.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.2
+</A><A NAME="8636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008639.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.2
+</A><A NAME="8639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008640.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.2
+</A><A NAME="8640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008646.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008655.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.2
+</A><A NAME="8655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008650.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8-4.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008654.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8-4.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008762.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenSUSE OpenQA tool
+</A><A NAME="8762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008910.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with %cmake_kde4 use
+</A><A NAME="8910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008912.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with %cmake_kde4 use
+</A><A NAME="8912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009492.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="9492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Berra
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009493.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="9493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Berra
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008560.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release webkit-1.5.2-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008562.html">[Mageia-dev] Disabling hybernation
+</A><A NAME="8562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008601.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release webkit-1.5.2-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008658.html">[Mageia-dev] Disabling hybernation
+</A><A NAME="8658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008659.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008661.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008666.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008667.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008934.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008944.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009170.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [158743] Apply P0
+</A><A NAME="9170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008841.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008617.html">[Mageia-dev] Docteam meeting, Tuesday October 4th
+</A><A NAME="8617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008695.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008714.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008720.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008729.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tomorrow
+</A><A NAME="8729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008731.html">[Mageia-dev] [doc-discuss] Meeting tomorrow
+</A><A NAME="8731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008735.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008738.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008741.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008749.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008775.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drupal-7.8-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008780.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drupal-7.8-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009040.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [157183] - new version 3.2.1
+</A><A NAME="9040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009077.html">[Mageia-dev] New planning for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009098.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 new schedule: string freeze vs. i18n freeze
+</A><A NAME="9098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009201.html">[Mageia-dev] Strange warning when building ascii
+</A><A NAME="9201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008694.html">[Mageia-dev] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !
+</A><A NAME="8694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008696.html">[Mageia-dev] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !
+</A><A NAME="8696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009089.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009191.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008681.html">[Mageia-dev] grub menu.lst question
+</A><A NAME="8681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Scott Chevalley
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008727.html">[Mageia-dev] grub menu.lst question
+</A><A NAME="8727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Scott Chevalley
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009060.html">[Mageia-dev] Initscripts - Migrating to git and regenerating mdkconf.patch and further Mageia tweaks.
+</A><A NAME="9060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008577.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME 3.2 or 3.4 for Mageia 2?
+</A><A NAME="8577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008583.html">[Mageia-dev] Building ldetect on Cauldron is broken.
+</A><A NAME="8583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008637.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.2
+</A><A NAME="8637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008651.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8-4.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008671.html">[Mageia-dev] New texlive version
+</A><A NAME="8671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008692.html">[Mageia-dev] [qa-discuss] Packages requiring linking for updates already in Core Updates
+</A><A NAME="8692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008709.html">[Mageia-dev] Vacations - 2 Weeks
+</A><A NAME="8709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008817.html">[Mageia-dev] vlc packages
+</A><A NAME="8817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008951.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009049.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009050.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009058.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009091.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009101.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009103.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009114.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 nonfree/updates_testing freetype2-2.4.4-5.3.mga1.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="9114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009116.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 nonfree/updates_testing freetype2-2.4.4-5.3.mga1.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="9116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009120.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009141.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release apache-commons-sandbox-parent-9-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009143.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009165.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [158743] Apply P0
+</A><A NAME="9165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009167.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [158743] Apply P0
+</A><A NAME="9167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009183.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009190.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009225.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009252.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009255.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008600.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="8600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008603.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="8603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008615.html">[Mageia-dev] freeglut vs. mesa (devel requires problem)
+</A><A NAME="8615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008616.html">[Mageia-dev] texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008732.html">[Mageia-dev] vlc packages
+</A><A NAME="8732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008733.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1047] Build less iso's
+</A><A NAME="8733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008734.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008750.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008754.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008756.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008819.html">[Mageia-dev] vlc packages
+</A><A NAME="8819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008870.html">[Mageia-dev] vlc packages
+</A><A NAME="8870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008881.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008885.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008887.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008888.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008916.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008933.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008991.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009128.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matthew Dawkins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008677.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: kernel-3.1-rc9 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009164.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [158743] Apply P0
+</A><A NAME="9164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008608.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="8608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier FAURAX
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008575.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia software development process (transfugdrake)
+</A><A NAME="8575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabrice Facorat
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008582.html">[Mageia-dev] Building ldetect on Cauldron is broken.
+</A><A NAME="8582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008664.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release logrotate-3.8.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008827.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008834.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008839.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009034.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [156965] Fix for the GIF load Overflow ( https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug. cgi?id=3096 )
+</A><A NAME="9034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009036.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009125.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009181.html">[Mageia-dev] Window Maker is alive
+</A><A NAME="9181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009197.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008725.html">[Mageia-dev] Strange warnings during urpmi &quot;--auto-update -v&quot;
+</A><A NAME="8725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008737.html">[Mageia-dev] TeamViewer under Cauldron x86_64
+</A><A NAME="8737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008919.html">[Mageia-dev] Latest Evolution update on Cauldron - error with Google Calendar
+</A><A NAME="8919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009211.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009220.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009223.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008904.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009030.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009065.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009067.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009069.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009073.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009075.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009078.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009135.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release util-linux-2.20.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009219.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release util-linux-2.20.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008886.html">[Mageia-dev] texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Giuseppe Ghib&#242;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008935.html">[Mageia-dev] texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Giuseppe Ghib&#242;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008626.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lev Givon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008632.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lev Givon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009133.html">[Mageia-dev] package removal request
+</A><A NAME="9133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lev Givon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008687.html">[Mageia-dev] grub menu.lst question
+</A><A NAME="8687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008706.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;adding 16777 new rpms not available in existing hdlist&quot; ??
+</A><A NAME="8706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008708.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;adding 16777 new rpms not available in existing hdlist&quot; ??
+</A><A NAME="8708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008723.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE screensaver blocks background GUI processing ?
+</A><A NAME="8723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008580.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME 3.2 or 3.4 for Mageia 2?
+</A><A NAME="8580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008581.html">[Mageia-dev] Disabling hybernation
+</A><A NAME="8581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008606.html">[Mageia-dev] About gvfs-1.8 with Gnome 2.32
+</A><A NAME="8606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008607.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release sound-scripts-0.61-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008611.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release sound-scripts-0.61-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008612.html">[Mageia-dev] freeglut vs. mesa (devel requires problem)
+</A><A NAME="8612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008618.html">[Mageia-dev] freeglut vs. mesa (devel requires problem)
+</A><A NAME="8618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008675.html">[Mageia-dev] New texlive version
+</A><A NAME="8675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008688.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008697.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008781.html">[Mageia-dev] x11-server 1.11.0
+</A><A NAME="8781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008782.html">[Mageia-dev] TeamViewer under Cauldron x86_64
+</A><A NAME="8782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008783.html">[Mageia-dev] Strange warnings during urpmi &quot;--auto-update -v&quot;
+</A><A NAME="8783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008785.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008786.html">[Mageia-dev] x11-server 1.11.0
+</A><A NAME="8786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008804.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008807.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008808.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008811.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008815.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008816.html">[Mageia-dev] vlc packages
+</A><A NAME="8816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008818.html">[Mageia-dev] vlc packages
+</A><A NAME="8818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008832.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008833.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008877.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 3047 Assigned confusion
+</A><A NAME="8877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008968.html">[Mageia-dev] virtualbox 4.0.14 update for Mageia 1?
+</A><A NAME="8968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008970.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008976.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008977.html">[Mageia-dev] virtualbox 4.0.14 update for Mageia 1?
+</A><A NAME="8977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008981.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008982.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="8982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008985.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009002.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="9002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009025.html">[Mageia-dev] imagemagick 6.7
+</A><A NAME="9025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009026.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="9026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009027.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009031.html">[Mageia-dev] Initscripts - Migrating to git and regenerating mdkconf.patch and further Mageia tweaks.
+</A><A NAME="9031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009033.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009051.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="9051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009055.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009056.html">[Mageia-dev] Initscripts - Migrating to git and regenerating mdkconf.patch and further Mageia tweaks.
+</A><A NAME="9056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009061.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009062.html">[Mageia-dev] Initscripts - Migrating to git and regenerating mdkconf.patch and further Mageia tweaks.
+</A><A NAME="9062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009064.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009072.html">[Mageia-dev] New planning for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009111.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009193.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009194.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009195.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009196.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING to users with LVM drives.
+</A><A NAME="9196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009202.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release util-linux-2.20.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009203.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009204.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009206.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009208.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009216.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009217.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009218.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009221.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009224.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009226.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009230.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron not boot and all services will not boot after systemd migration
+</A><A NAME="9230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009244.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009245.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009249.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009254.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009261.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008599.html">[Mageia-dev] PLEASE READ. Package adoption campaign: status report (mine, and yours)
+</A><A NAME="8599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008682.html">[Mageia-dev] New texlive version
+</A><A NAME="8682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009045.html">[Mageia-dev] Initscripts - Migrating to git and regenerating mdkconf.patch and further Mageia tweaks.
+</A><A NAME="9045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009079.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009100.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009107.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009112.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 nonfree/updates_testing freetype2-2.4.4-5.3.mga1.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="9112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009179.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009189.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009210.html">[Mageia-dev] Strange warning when building ascii
+</A><A NAME="9210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008578.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia software development process (transfugdrake)
+</A><A NAME="8578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008623.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008631.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008702.html">[Mageia-dev] [noise] get-skype in mandriva
+</A><A NAME="8702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009009.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009175.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009235.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009260.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008693.html">[Mageia-dev] Syslinux integration roadmap
+</A><A NAME="8693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008994.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="8994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009023.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009044.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009096.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009122.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009172.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009228.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release util-linux-2.20.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009229.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008822.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008963.html">[Mageia-dev] virtualbox 4.0.14 update for Mageia 1?
+</A><A NAME="8963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009097.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 new schedule: string freeze vs. i18n freeze
+</A><A NAME="9097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008585.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Cooker] drakxtools massive update
+</A><A NAME="8585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008586.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Cooker] drakxtools massive update
+</A><A NAME="8586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008630.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove package handbrake
+</A><A NAME="8630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008684.html">[Mageia-dev] 32 bits packages preferred over 64 bits packages?
+</A><A NAME="8684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008700.html">[Mageia-dev] [noise] get-skype in mandriva
+</A><A NAME="8700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008703.html">[Mageia-dev] [noise] get-skype in mandriva
+</A><A NAME="8703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008726.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008742.html">[Mageia-dev] TeamViewer under Cauldron x86_64
+</A><A NAME="8742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008743.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove package handbrake
+</A><A NAME="8743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008766.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Change default scanning application for hplip
+</A><A NAME="8766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008768.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nspluginwrapper should exclude native x86_64 plugins from wrapping
+</A><A NAME="8768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008771.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nspluginwrapper should exclude native x86_64 plugins from wrapping
+</A><A NAME="8771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008773.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008788.html">[Mageia-dev] TeamViewer under Cauldron x86_64
+</A><A NAME="8788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008796.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Change default scanning application for hplip
+</A><A NAME="8796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008803.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Change default scanning application for hplip
+</A><A NAME="8803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008854.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008855.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008889.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="8889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008892.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008908.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008984.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009014.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009052.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009082.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009084.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009086.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009094.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009110.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009127.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009130.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009136.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009153.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009157.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009158.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009161.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009238.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008930.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gonzalo Igartua
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008846.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009150.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009160.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008628.html">[Mageia-dev] Updated package (gscan2pdf) and mentorship request
+</A><A NAME="8628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008657.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release logrotate-3.8.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008707.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;adding 16777 new rpms not available in existing hdlist&quot; ??
+</A><A NAME="8707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008746.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008747.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008752.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008753.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008795.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release akonadi-google-0.2-0.git.20110717.2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008820.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release akonadi-google-0.2-0.git.20110717.2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008893.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release akonadi-google-0.2-0.git.20110717.2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008911.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with %cmake_kde4 use
+</A><A NAME="8911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008939.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008990.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009032.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009035.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009053.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008721.html">[Mageia-dev] problem with build system?
+</A><A NAME="8721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008736.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008740.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008745.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008748.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008751.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008812.html">[Mageia-dev] WiFi AdHoc networking
+</A><A NAME="8812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008825.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008836.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008884.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="8884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008928.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008943.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155802] Update to fix crash #1816
+</A><A NAME="8943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008948.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155802] Update to fix crash #1816
+</A><A NAME="8948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009008.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009028.html">[Mageia-dev] imagemagick 6.7
+</A><A NAME="9028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009039.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release pingus-0.7.4-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008844.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008850.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008853.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008856.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008860.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008862.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008868.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008871.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009046.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008797.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008806.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008810.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008814.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008849.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008644.html">[Mageia-dev] Updated package (gscan2pdf) and mentorship request
+</A><A NAME="8644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yann Lejeune
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008685.html">[Mageia-dev] grub menu.lst question
+</A><A NAME="8685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009121.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009123.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009145.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009149.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009166.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [158743] Apply P0
+</A><A NAME="9166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008622.html">[Mageia-dev] Disabling hybernation
+</A><A NAME="8622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008656.html">[Mageia-dev] Module config chaos [was Re: ANN: kernel-3.1-rc9 landing...]
+</A><A NAME="8656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008967.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009095.html">[Mageia-dev] IDE/SATA driver ordering [was Re: Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)]
+</A><A NAME="9095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009117.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release util-linux-2.20.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009124.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009207.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008598.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joaquin Mandriva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008772.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazarus for qt
+</A><A NAME="8772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joaquin Mandriva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008778.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazarus for qt
+</A><A NAME="8778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joaquin Mandriva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008925.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joaquin Mandriva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008619.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008932.html">[Mageia-dev] WiFi AdHoc networking
+</A><A NAME="8932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008900.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtksourceview-3.2.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009184.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008593.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="8593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009232.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating ruby to 1.9.3?
+</A><A NAME="9232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008861.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazarus for qt
+</A><A NAME="8861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Olivetti
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008559.html">[Mageia-dev] Opening backports (was Re: [Mageia-sysadm] Using SQL database for youri)
+</A><A NAME="8559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008572.html">[Mageia-dev] Opening backports (was Re: [Mageia-sysadm] Using SQL database for youri)
+</A><A NAME="8572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008962.html">[Mageia-dev] [qa-discuss] Packages requiring linking for updates already in Core Updates
+</A><A NAME="8962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008838.html">[Mageia-dev] perl 5.14.2 on its way
+</A><A NAME="8838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008845.html">[Mageia-dev] perl 5.14.2 on its way
+</A><A NAME="8845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008874.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-5.14.2-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008873.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008638.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.2
+</A><A NAME="8638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008759.html">[Mageia-dev] TeamViewer under Cauldron x86_64
+</A><A NAME="8759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008609.html">[Mageia-dev] About gvfs-1.8 with Gnome 2.32
+</A><A NAME="8609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009047.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009083.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009085.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009087.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009088.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009108.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009200.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009236.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009241.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008826.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008872.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008711.html">[Mageia-dev] Vacations - 2 Weeks
+</A><A NAME="8711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008776.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nspluginwrapper should exclude native x86_64 plugins from wrapping
+</A><A NAME="8776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009257.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008621.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008643.html">[Mageia-dev] Detailed version of the Mageia Unmaintained Packages
+</A><A NAME="8643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008672.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008710.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008712.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008717.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008770.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drupal-7.8-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008777.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Distress signal for resolving issue with Drakxnet tools
+</A><A NAME="8777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008779.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drupal-7.8-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008802.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008809.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008830.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008922.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009006.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008624.html">[Mageia-dev] Detailed version of the Mageia Unmaintained Packages
+</A><A NAME="8624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008713.html">[Mageia-dev] xorg-x11-{75,100}dpi-fonts
+</A><A NAME="8713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009076.html">[Mageia-dev] New planning for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009137.html">[Mageia-dev] A Polish Remix of Mageia 1 &quot;Magiczny Remix&quot; has been released!
+</A><A NAME="9137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009138.html">[Mageia-dev] A Polish Remix of Mageia 1 &quot;Magiczny Remix&quot; has been released!
+</A><A NAME="9138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009180.html">[Mageia-dev] Window Maker is alive
+</A><A NAME="9180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009182.html">[Mageia-dev] Window Maker is alive
+</A><A NAME="9182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009212.html">[Mageia-dev] Strange warning when building ascii
+</A><A NAME="9212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009227.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron not boot and all services will not boot after systemd migration
+</A><A NAME="9227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008613.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008648.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008670.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008718.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tortoisehg-2.1.4-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008835.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008837.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazarus for qt
+</A><A NAME="8837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009048.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009119.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009132.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009155.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009178.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009233.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009234.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating ruby to 1.9.3?
+</A><A NAME="9234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009239.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009240.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009243.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009258.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009259.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008627.html">[Mageia-dev] Detailed version of the Mageia Unmaintained Packages
+</A><A NAME="8627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008669.html">[Mageia-dev] Netiquette violations
+</A><A NAME="8669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008716.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008767.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Change default scanning application for hplip
+</A><A NAME="8767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008896.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008906.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008907.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008913.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008915.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009198.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008629.html">[Mageia-dev] texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008878.html">[Mageia-dev] texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008879.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="8879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008880.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008882.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008890.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008891.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008897.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008899.html">[Mageia-dev] remove package in x86_64
+</A><A NAME="8899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008901.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008903.html">[Mageia-dev] texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009139.html">[Mageia-dev] new kernel
+</A><A NAME="9139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008679.html">[Mageia-dev] 32 bits packages preferred over 64 bits packages?
+</A><A NAME="8679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008705.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tortoisehg-2.1.4-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008719.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tortoisehg-2.1.4-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008866.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008869.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008875.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009057.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009059.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009063.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008769.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nspluginwrapper should exclude native x86_64 plugins from wrapping
+</A><A NAME="8769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008909.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009000.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009017.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009018.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009024.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009154.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009159.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009237.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating ruby to 1.9.3?
+</A><A NAME="9237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008556.html">[Mageia-dev] Opening backports (was Re: [Mageia-sysadm] Using SQL database for youri)
+</A><A NAME="8556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008561.html">[Mageia-dev] Opening backports (was Re: [Mageia-sysadm] Using SQL database for youri)
+</A><A NAME="8561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008610.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release sound-scripts-0.61-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008614.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release sound-scripts-0.61-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008665.html">[Mageia-dev] Syslinux integration roadmap
+</A><A NAME="8665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008683.html">[Mageia-dev] grub menu.lst question
+</A><A NAME="8683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008926.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008927.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008931.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Cooker] WANTED: the cyclic dependency Hell (aka Automated Bootstrapping)
+</A><A NAME="8931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008992.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="8992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008993.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="8993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008997.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="8997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009015.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009016.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009021.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009022.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009081.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009109.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009168.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009215.html">[Mageia-dev] specifications for mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009248.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009251.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009253.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009256.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008652.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwan Velu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008663.html">[Mageia-dev] Syslinux integration roadmap
+</A><A NAME="8663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwan Velu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008793.html">[Mageia-dev] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !
+</A><A NAME="8793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009199.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009214.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008563.html">[Mageia-dev] Opening backports (was Re: [Mageia-sysadm] Using SQL database for youri)
+</A><A NAME="8563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008566.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release zoom-1.1.4-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008567.html">[Mageia-dev] Assigning bugs to maintainers
+</A><A NAME="8567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008574.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia software development process (transfugdrake)
+</A><A NAME="8574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008576.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia software development process (transfugdrake)
+</A><A NAME="8576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008579.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia software development process (transfugdrake)
+</A><A NAME="8579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008588.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Cooker] drakxtools massive update
+</A><A NAME="8588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008589.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Cooker] drakxtools massive update
+</A><A NAME="8589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008602.html">[Mageia-dev] PLEASE READ. Package adoption campaign: status report (mine, and yours)
+</A><A NAME="8602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008633.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008635.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008647.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8-4.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008678.html">[Mageia-dev] 32 bits packages preferred over 64 bits packages?
+</A><A NAME="8678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008701.html">[Mageia-dev] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !
+</A><A NAME="8701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008764.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Distress signal for resolving issue with Drakxnet tools
+</A><A NAME="8764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008765.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Distress signal for resolving issue with Drakxnet tools
+</A><A NAME="8765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008791.html">[Mageia-dev] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !
+</A><A NAME="8791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008852.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008857.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008858.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008859.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008863.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008867.html">[Mageia-dev] [qa-discuss] Packages requiring linking for updates already in Core Updates
+</A><A NAME="8867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008921.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008971.html">[Mageia-dev] virtualbox 4.0.14 update for Mageia 1?
+</A><A NAME="8971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008972.html">[Mageia-dev] virtualbox 4.0.14 update for Mageia 1?
+</A><A NAME="8972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008988.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="8988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008995.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="8995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009186.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009187.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009250.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008584.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release unetbootin-0-0.555.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008605.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release webkit-1.5.2-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008642.html">[Mageia-dev] x11-server 1.11.0
+</A><A NAME="8642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008645.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008653.html">[Mageia-dev] [updates-announce] Package update: kernel-firmware-extra (nonfree)
+</A><A NAME="8653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008660.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008662.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008668.html">[Mageia-dev] Syslinux integration roadmap
+</A><A NAME="8668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008673.html">[Mageia-dev] New texlive version
+</A><A NAME="8673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008676.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release texlive-20100722-37.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008690.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-*
+</A><A NAME="8690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008691.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008698.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008715.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008724.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tortoisehg-2.1.4-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008739.html">[Mageia-dev] x11-server 1.11.0
+</A><A NAME="8739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008760.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release c-icap-0.1.7-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008761.html">[Mageia-dev] x11-server 1.11.0
+</A><A NAME="8761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008790.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Change default scanning application for hplip
+</A><A NAME="8790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008794.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008798.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Change default scanning application for hplip
+</A><A NAME="8798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008847.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-5.14.2-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008918.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008924.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008929.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008940.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tftp-5.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008941.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing tftp-5.0-7.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008946.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008953.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008954.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008957.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm-debug est toujours desyncrho dans debug/core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="8957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008979.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008983.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="8983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008996.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009001.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009029.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release pingus-0.7.4-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009115.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 nonfree/updates_testing freetype2-2.4.4-5.3.mga1.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="9115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009126.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009140.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release apache-commons-sandbox-parent-9-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009169.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009177.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009188.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-data-server-3.3.1.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009213.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008571.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME 3.2 or 3.4 for Mageia 2?
+</A><A NAME="8571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008590.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME 3.2 or 3.4 for Mageia 2?
+</A><A NAME="8590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008757.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1047] Build less iso's
+</A><A NAME="8757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008905.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008969.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008974.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009142.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009146.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009151.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008730.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [153680] Fixed the /usr/share/applications/. desktop file to make it more standard
+</A><A NAME="8730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008883.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008895.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008898.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008902.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008938.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155802] Update to fix crash #1816
+</A><A NAME="8938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008945.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155802] Update to fix crash #1816
+</A><A NAME="8945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008978.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008989.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009020.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [156965] Fix for the GIF load Overflow ( https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug. cgi?id=3096 )
+</A><A NAME="9020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009037.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [157183] - new version 3.2.1
+</A><A NAME="9037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009038.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [157183] - new version 3.2.1
+</A><A NAME="9038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009042.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [157183] - new version 3.2.1
+</A><A NAME="9042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009185.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-data-server-3.3.1.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008823.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008828.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008829.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008864.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 3047 Assigned confusion
+</A><A NAME="8864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008999.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="8999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009003.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009176.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 2157 - Switch to &quot;standard&quot; rpm metadata for package repositories in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008564.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release webkit-1.5.2-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008565.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release zoom-1.1.4-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008570.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release zoom-1.1.4-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008821.html">[Mageia-dev] check.mageia.org stalled?
+</A><A NAME="8821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008917.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009113.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 nonfree/updates_testing freetype2-2.4.4-5.3.mga1.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="9113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009231.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating ruby to 1.9.3?
+</A><A NAME="9231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008625.html">[Mageia-dev] Updated package (gscan2pdf) and mentorship request
+</A><A NAME="8625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008965.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Z&#233;zinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008557.html">[Mageia-dev] Disabling hybernation
+</A><A NAME="8557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008558.html">[Mageia-dev] Trying to solve bug #2317
+</A><A NAME="8558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008573.html">[Mageia-dev] Disabling hybernation
+</A><A NAME="8573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008591.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Cooker] drakxtools massive update
+</A><A NAME="8591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008592.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="8592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008604.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="8604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008704.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008744.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008763.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1047] Build less iso's
+</A><A NAME="8763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008774.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazarus for qt
+</A><A NAME="8774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008787.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazarus for qt
+</A><A NAME="8787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008824.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008840.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008876.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing?terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008914.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008958.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008960.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008964.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009004.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009012.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009080.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="9080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009118.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release util-linux-2.20.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009192.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009005.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009007.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008699.html">[Mageia-dev] [noise] get-skype in mandriva
+</A><A NAME="8699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009013.html">[Mageia-dev] imagemagick 6.7
+</A><A NAME="9013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>lists.jjorge at free.fr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008728.html">[Mageia-dev] (no subject)
+</A><A NAME="8728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>genomega
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008792.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008799.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008801.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008805.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008842.html">[Mageia-dev] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !
+</A><A NAME="8842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009106.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009163.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008641.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="8641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008789.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="8789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008986.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008987.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="8987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009068.html">[Mageia-dev] New planning for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009099.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009131.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="9131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008620.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009129.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008587.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Cooker] drakxtools massive update
+</A><A NAME="8587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008634.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008674.html">[Mageia-dev] New texlive version
+</A><A NAME="8674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008686.html">[Mageia-dev] grub menu.lst question
+</A><A NAME="8686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008758.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1047] Build less iso's
+</A><A NAME="8758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008831.html">[Mageia-dev] check.mageia.org stalled?
+</A><A NAME="8831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008843.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008848.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008851.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008865.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing?terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008894.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008936.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008937.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008961.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008973.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009173.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008942.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008949.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008956.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009011.html">[Mageia-dev] imagemagick 6.7
+</A><A NAME="9011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Mon Oct 31 23:16:07 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri Nov 11 22:10:36 CET 2011</i>
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+ <h1>October 2011 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
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+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Oct 1 00:05:37 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Oct 31 23:16:07 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 704<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008556.html">[Mageia-dev] Opening backports (was Re: [Mageia-sysadm] Using SQL database for youri)
+</A><A NAME="8556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008557.html">[Mageia-dev] Disabling hybernation
+</A><A NAME="8557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008559.html">[Mageia-dev] Opening backports (was Re: [Mageia-sysadm] Using SQL database for youri)
+</A><A NAME="8559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008558.html">[Mageia-dev] Trying to solve bug #2317
+</A><A NAME="8558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008560.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release webkit-1.5.2-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008561.html">[Mageia-dev] Opening backports (was Re: [Mageia-sysadm] Using SQL database for youri)
+</A><A NAME="8561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008562.html">[Mageia-dev] Disabling hybernation
+</A><A NAME="8562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008563.html">[Mageia-dev] Opening backports (was Re: [Mageia-sysadm] Using SQL database for youri)
+</A><A NAME="8563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008564.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release webkit-1.5.2-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008565.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release zoom-1.1.4-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008566.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release zoom-1.1.4-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008567.html">[Mageia-dev] Assigning bugs to maintainers
+</A><A NAME="8567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008568.html">[Mageia-dev] pm-utils and requires to bootloader-utils
+</A><A NAME="8568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008569.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release zoom-1.1.4-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008570.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release zoom-1.1.4-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008571.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME 3.2 or 3.4 for Mageia 2?
+</A><A NAME="8571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008572.html">[Mageia-dev] Opening backports (was Re: [Mageia-sysadm] Using SQL database for youri)
+</A><A NAME="8572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008573.html">[Mageia-dev] Disabling hybernation
+</A><A NAME="8573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008574.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia software development process (transfugdrake)
+</A><A NAME="8574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008575.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia software development process (transfugdrake)
+</A><A NAME="8575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabrice Facorat
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008576.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia software development process (transfugdrake)
+</A><A NAME="8576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008577.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME 3.2 or 3.4 for Mageia 2?
+</A><A NAME="8577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008578.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia software development process (transfugdrake)
+</A><A NAME="8578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008579.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia software development process (transfugdrake)
+</A><A NAME="8579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008580.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME 3.2 or 3.4 for Mageia 2?
+</A><A NAME="8580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008581.html">[Mageia-dev] Disabling hybernation
+</A><A NAME="8581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008582.html">[Mageia-dev] Building ldetect on Cauldron is broken.
+</A><A NAME="8582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008583.html">[Mageia-dev] Building ldetect on Cauldron is broken.
+</A><A NAME="8583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008584.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release unetbootin-0-0.555.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008585.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Cooker] drakxtools massive update
+</A><A NAME="8585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008586.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Cooker] drakxtools massive update
+</A><A NAME="8586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008587.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Cooker] drakxtools massive update
+</A><A NAME="8587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008588.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Cooker] drakxtools massive update
+</A><A NAME="8588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008589.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Cooker] drakxtools massive update
+</A><A NAME="8589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008590.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME 3.2 or 3.4 for Mageia 2?
+</A><A NAME="8590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008591.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Cooker] drakxtools massive update
+</A><A NAME="8591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008592.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="8592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008593.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="8593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008598.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joaquin Mandriva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008599.html">[Mageia-dev] PLEASE READ. Package adoption campaign: status report (mine, and yours)
+</A><A NAME="8599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008600.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="8600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008601.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release webkit-1.5.2-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008602.html">[Mageia-dev] PLEASE READ. Package adoption campaign: status report (mine, and yours)
+</A><A NAME="8602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008603.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="8603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008604.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="8604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008605.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release webkit-1.5.2-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008606.html">[Mageia-dev] About gvfs-1.8 with Gnome 2.32
+</A><A NAME="8606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008607.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release sound-scripts-0.61-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008608.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="8608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier FAURAX
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008609.html">[Mageia-dev] About gvfs-1.8 with Gnome 2.32
+</A><A NAME="8609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008610.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release sound-scripts-0.61-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008611.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release sound-scripts-0.61-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008612.html">[Mageia-dev] freeglut vs. mesa (devel requires problem)
+</A><A NAME="8612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008613.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008614.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release sound-scripts-0.61-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008615.html">[Mageia-dev] freeglut vs. mesa (devel requires problem)
+</A><A NAME="8615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008616.html">[Mageia-dev] texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008617.html">[Mageia-dev] Docteam meeting, Tuesday October 4th
+</A><A NAME="8617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008618.html">[Mageia-dev] freeglut vs. mesa (devel requires problem)
+</A><A NAME="8618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008619.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008620.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008621.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008622.html">[Mageia-dev] Disabling hybernation
+</A><A NAME="8622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008623.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008624.html">[Mageia-dev] Detailed version of the Mageia Unmaintained Packages
+</A><A NAME="8624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008626.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lev Givon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008625.html">[Mageia-dev] Updated package (gscan2pdf) and mentorship request
+</A><A NAME="8625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008627.html">[Mageia-dev] Detailed version of the Mageia Unmaintained Packages
+</A><A NAME="8627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008629.html">[Mageia-dev] texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008628.html">[Mageia-dev] Updated package (gscan2pdf) and mentorship request
+</A><A NAME="8628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008630.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove package handbrake
+</A><A NAME="8630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008631.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008632.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lev Givon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008633.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008634.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008635.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008636.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.2
+</A><A NAME="8636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008637.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.2
+</A><A NAME="8637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008638.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.2
+</A><A NAME="8638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008639.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.2
+</A><A NAME="8639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008640.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.2
+</A><A NAME="8640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008641.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="8641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008642.html">[Mageia-dev] x11-server 1.11.0
+</A><A NAME="8642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008643.html">[Mageia-dev] Detailed version of the Mageia Unmaintained Packages
+</A><A NAME="8643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008644.html">[Mageia-dev] Updated package (gscan2pdf) and mentorship request
+</A><A NAME="8644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yann Lejeune
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008645.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008646.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008647.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8-4.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008648.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008649.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: kernel-3.1-rc9 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008650.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8-4.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008651.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8-4.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008652.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwan Velu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008653.html">[Mageia-dev] [updates-announce] Package update: kernel-firmware-extra (nonfree)
+</A><A NAME="8653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008654.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8-4.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008655.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.2
+</A><A NAME="8655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008656.html">[Mageia-dev] Module config chaos [was Re: ANN: kernel-3.1-rc9 landing...]
+</A><A NAME="8656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008657.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release logrotate-3.8.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008658.html">[Mageia-dev] Disabling hybernation
+</A><A NAME="8658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008659.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008660.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008661.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008662.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008663.html">[Mageia-dev] Syslinux integration roadmap
+</A><A NAME="8663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwan Velu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008664.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release logrotate-3.8.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008665.html">[Mageia-dev] Syslinux integration roadmap
+</A><A NAME="8665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008666.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008667.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008668.html">[Mageia-dev] Syslinux integration roadmap
+</A><A NAME="8668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008669.html">[Mageia-dev] Netiquette violations
+</A><A NAME="8669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008670.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008671.html">[Mageia-dev] New texlive version
+</A><A NAME="8671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008672.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008673.html">[Mageia-dev] New texlive version
+</A><A NAME="8673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008674.html">[Mageia-dev] New texlive version
+</A><A NAME="8674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008675.html">[Mageia-dev] New texlive version
+</A><A NAME="8675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008676.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release texlive-20100722-37.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008677.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: kernel-3.1-rc9 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008678.html">[Mageia-dev] 32 bits packages preferred over 64 bits packages?
+</A><A NAME="8678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008679.html">[Mageia-dev] 32 bits packages preferred over 64 bits packages?
+</A><A NAME="8679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008680.html">[Mageia-dev] 32 bits packages preferred over 64 bits packages?
+</A><A NAME="8680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008681.html">[Mageia-dev] grub menu.lst question
+</A><A NAME="8681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Scott Chevalley
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008682.html">[Mageia-dev] New texlive version
+</A><A NAME="8682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008683.html">[Mageia-dev] grub menu.lst question
+</A><A NAME="8683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008684.html">[Mageia-dev] 32 bits packages preferred over 64 bits packages?
+</A><A NAME="8684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008685.html">[Mageia-dev] grub menu.lst question
+</A><A NAME="8685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008686.html">[Mageia-dev] grub menu.lst question
+</A><A NAME="8686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008687.html">[Mageia-dev] grub menu.lst question
+</A><A NAME="8687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008688.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008689.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-*
+</A><A NAME="8689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008690.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-*
+</A><A NAME="8690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008691.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008692.html">[Mageia-dev] [qa-discuss] Packages requiring linking for updates already in Core Updates
+</A><A NAME="8692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008693.html">[Mageia-dev] Syslinux integration roadmap
+</A><A NAME="8693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008694.html">[Mageia-dev] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !
+</A><A NAME="8694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008695.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008696.html">[Mageia-dev] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !
+</A><A NAME="8696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008697.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008698.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008699.html">[Mageia-dev] [noise] get-skype in mandriva
+</A><A NAME="8699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008700.html">[Mageia-dev] [noise] get-skype in mandriva
+</A><A NAME="8700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008701.html">[Mageia-dev] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !
+</A><A NAME="8701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008702.html">[Mageia-dev] [noise] get-skype in mandriva
+</A><A NAME="8702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008703.html">[Mageia-dev] [noise] get-skype in mandriva
+</A><A NAME="8703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008704.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008705.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tortoisehg-2.1.4-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008706.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;adding 16777 new rpms not available in existing hdlist&quot; ??
+</A><A NAME="8706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008707.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;adding 16777 new rpms not available in existing hdlist&quot; ??
+</A><A NAME="8707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008708.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;adding 16777 new rpms not available in existing hdlist&quot; ??
+</A><A NAME="8708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008709.html">[Mageia-dev] Vacations - 2 Weeks
+</A><A NAME="8709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008710.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008711.html">[Mageia-dev] Vacations - 2 Weeks
+</A><A NAME="8711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008712.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008713.html">[Mageia-dev] xorg-x11-{75,100}dpi-fonts
+</A><A NAME="8713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008714.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008715.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008716.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008717.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008718.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tortoisehg-2.1.4-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008719.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tortoisehg-2.1.4-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008720.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008721.html">[Mageia-dev] problem with build system?
+</A><A NAME="8721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008722.html">[Mageia-dev] problem with build system?
+</A><A NAME="8722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008723.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE screensaver blocks background GUI processing ?
+</A><A NAME="8723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008724.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tortoisehg-2.1.4-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008725.html">[Mageia-dev] Strange warnings during urpmi &quot;--auto-update -v&quot;
+</A><A NAME="8725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008726.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008727.html">[Mageia-dev] grub menu.lst question
+</A><A NAME="8727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Scott Chevalley
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008728.html">[Mageia-dev] (no subject)
+</A><A NAME="8728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>genomega
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008729.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tomorrow
+</A><A NAME="8729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008730.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [153680] Fixed the /usr/share/applications/. desktop file to make it more standard
+</A><A NAME="8730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008731.html">[Mageia-dev] [doc-discuss] Meeting tomorrow
+</A><A NAME="8731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008732.html">[Mageia-dev] vlc packages
+</A><A NAME="8732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008733.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1047] Build less iso's
+</A><A NAME="8733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008734.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008735.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008736.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008737.html">[Mageia-dev] TeamViewer under Cauldron x86_64
+</A><A NAME="8737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008738.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008739.html">[Mageia-dev] x11-server 1.11.0
+</A><A NAME="8739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008740.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008741.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008742.html">[Mageia-dev] TeamViewer under Cauldron x86_64
+</A><A NAME="8742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008743.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove package handbrake
+</A><A NAME="8743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008744.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008745.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008746.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008747.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008748.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008749.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008750.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008751.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008752.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008753.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008754.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008755.html">[Mageia-dev] x11-server 1.11.0
+</A><A NAME="8755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008756.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008757.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1047] Build less iso's
+</A><A NAME="8757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008758.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1047] Build less iso's
+</A><A NAME="8758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008759.html">[Mageia-dev] TeamViewer under Cauldron x86_64
+</A><A NAME="8759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008760.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release c-icap-0.1.7-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008761.html">[Mageia-dev] x11-server 1.11.0
+</A><A NAME="8761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008762.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenSUSE OpenQA tool
+</A><A NAME="8762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008763.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1047] Build less iso's
+</A><A NAME="8763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008764.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Distress signal for resolving issue with Drakxnet tools
+</A><A NAME="8764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008765.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Distress signal for resolving issue with Drakxnet tools
+</A><A NAME="8765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008766.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Change default scanning application for hplip
+</A><A NAME="8766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008767.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Change default scanning application for hplip
+</A><A NAME="8767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008768.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nspluginwrapper should exclude native x86_64 plugins from wrapping
+</A><A NAME="8768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008769.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nspluginwrapper should exclude native x86_64 plugins from wrapping
+</A><A NAME="8769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008770.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drupal-7.8-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008771.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nspluginwrapper should exclude native x86_64 plugins from wrapping
+</A><A NAME="8771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008772.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazarus for qt
+</A><A NAME="8772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joaquin Mandriva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008773.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008777.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Distress signal for resolving issue with Drakxnet tools
+</A><A NAME="8777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008774.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazarus for qt
+</A><A NAME="8774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008775.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drupal-7.8-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008776.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nspluginwrapper should exclude native x86_64 plugins from wrapping
+</A><A NAME="8776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008779.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drupal-7.8-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008778.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazarus for qt
+</A><A NAME="8778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joaquin Mandriva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008780.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drupal-7.8-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008781.html">[Mageia-dev] x11-server 1.11.0
+</A><A NAME="8781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008782.html">[Mageia-dev] TeamViewer under Cauldron x86_64
+</A><A NAME="8782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008783.html">[Mageia-dev] Strange warnings during urpmi &quot;--auto-update -v&quot;
+</A><A NAME="8783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008784.html">[Mageia-dev] x11-server 1.11.0
+</A><A NAME="8784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008785.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008786.html">[Mageia-dev] x11-server 1.11.0
+</A><A NAME="8786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008787.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazarus for qt
+</A><A NAME="8787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008788.html">[Mageia-dev] TeamViewer under Cauldron x86_64
+</A><A NAME="8788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008789.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="8789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008790.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Change default scanning application for hplip
+</A><A NAME="8790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008791.html">[Mageia-dev] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !
+</A><A NAME="8791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008792.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008793.html">[Mageia-dev] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !
+</A><A NAME="8793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008794.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008795.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release akonadi-google-0.2-0.git.20110717.2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008796.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Change default scanning application for hplip
+</A><A NAME="8796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008797.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008798.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Change default scanning application for hplip
+</A><A NAME="8798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008799.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008800.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008801.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008802.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008803.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Change default scanning application for hplip
+</A><A NAME="8803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008804.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008805.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008806.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008807.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008808.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008809.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008810.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008811.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008813.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Altizer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008812.html">[Mageia-dev] WiFi AdHoc networking
+</A><A NAME="8812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008814.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008815.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008816.html">[Mageia-dev] vlc packages
+</A><A NAME="8816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008817.html">[Mageia-dev] vlc packages
+</A><A NAME="8817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008818.html">[Mageia-dev] vlc packages
+</A><A NAME="8818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008819.html">[Mageia-dev] vlc packages
+</A><A NAME="8819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008820.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release akonadi-google-0.2-0.git.20110717.2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008821.html">[Mageia-dev] check.mageia.org stalled?
+</A><A NAME="8821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008822.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008823.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008824.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008825.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008826.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008827.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008828.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008829.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008830.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008831.html">[Mageia-dev] check.mageia.org stalled?
+</A><A NAME="8831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008834.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008832.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008833.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008835.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008836.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008837.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazarus for qt
+</A><A NAME="8837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008838.html">[Mageia-dev] perl 5.14.2 on its way
+</A><A NAME="8838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008839.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008840.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008841.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008842.html">[Mageia-dev] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !
+</A><A NAME="8842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008843.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008844.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008845.html">[Mageia-dev] perl 5.14.2 on its way
+</A><A NAME="8845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008846.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008847.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-5.14.2-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008848.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008849.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008850.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008851.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008852.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008853.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008854.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008855.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008856.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008857.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008858.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008859.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008861.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazarus for qt
+</A><A NAME="8861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Olivetti
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008860.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008862.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008863.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008864.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 3047 Assigned confusion
+</A><A NAME="8864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008865.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing?terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008866.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008867.html">[Mageia-dev] [qa-discuss] Packages requiring linking for updates already in Core Updates
+</A><A NAME="8867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008868.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008869.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008870.html">[Mageia-dev] vlc packages
+</A><A NAME="8870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008871.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008872.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008873.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008874.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-5.14.2-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008875.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008876.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing?terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008877.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 3047 Assigned confusion
+</A><A NAME="8877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008878.html">[Mageia-dev] texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008879.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="8879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008880.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008881.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008882.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008883.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008884.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="8884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008885.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008886.html">[Mageia-dev] texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Giuseppe Ghib&#242;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008887.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008888.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008889.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="8889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008890.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008891.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008892.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008893.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release akonadi-google-0.2-0.git.20110717.2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008894.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008895.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008896.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008897.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008898.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008899.html">[Mageia-dev] remove package in x86_64
+</A><A NAME="8899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008900.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtksourceview-3.2.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008901.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008902.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008903.html">[Mageia-dev] texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008904.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008905.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008906.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008907.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008908.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008909.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008910.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with %cmake_kde4 use
+</A><A NAME="8910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008911.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with %cmake_kde4 use
+</A><A NAME="8911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008912.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with %cmake_kde4 use
+</A><A NAME="8912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008913.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008914.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008915.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008916.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008917.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008918.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008919.html">[Mageia-dev] Latest Evolution update on Cauldron - error with Google Calendar
+</A><A NAME="8919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008920.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008921.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008922.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008923.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008924.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008925.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joaquin Mandriva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008926.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008927.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008928.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008929.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008930.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gonzalo Igartua
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008931.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Cooker] WANTED: the cyclic dependency Hell (aka Automated Bootstrapping)
+</A><A NAME="8931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008932.html">[Mageia-dev] WiFi AdHoc networking
+</A><A NAME="8932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008933.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008934.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008935.html">[Mageia-dev] texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Giuseppe Ghib&#242;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008936.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008937.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008938.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155802] Update to fix crash #1816
+</A><A NAME="8938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008939.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008940.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tftp-5.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008941.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing tftp-5.0-7.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008942.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008943.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155802] Update to fix crash #1816
+</A><A NAME="8943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008944.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008945.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155802] Update to fix crash #1816
+</A><A NAME="8945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008946.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008947.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008948.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155802] Update to fix crash #1816
+</A><A NAME="8948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008949.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008950.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008951.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008952.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008953.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008954.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008955.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008956.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008957.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm-debug est toujours desyncrho dans debug/core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="8957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008958.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008959.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008960.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008961.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008962.html">[Mageia-dev] [qa-discuss] Packages requiring linking for updates already in Core Updates
+</A><A NAME="8962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008963.html">[Mageia-dev] virtualbox 4.0.14 update for Mageia 1?
+</A><A NAME="8963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008964.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008965.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Z&#233;zinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008966.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008967.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008968.html">[Mageia-dev] virtualbox 4.0.14 update for Mageia 1?
+</A><A NAME="8968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008969.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008970.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008971.html">[Mageia-dev] virtualbox 4.0.14 update for Mageia 1?
+</A><A NAME="8971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008972.html">[Mageia-dev] virtualbox 4.0.14 update for Mageia 1?
+</A><A NAME="8972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008973.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008974.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008975.html">[Mageia-dev] virtualbox 4.0.14 update for Mageia 1?
+</A><A NAME="8975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008976.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008977.html">[Mageia-dev] virtualbox 4.0.14 update for Mageia 1?
+</A><A NAME="8977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008978.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008979.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008980.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008981.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008982.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="8982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008983.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="8983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008984.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008985.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008986.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008987.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="8987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008988.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="8988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008989.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008990.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008991.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008992.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="8992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008993.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="8993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008994.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="8994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008995.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="8995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008996.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008997.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="8997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008998.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008999.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="8999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009000.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009001.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009002.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="9002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009003.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009004.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009005.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009006.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009007.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009008.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009009.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009010.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009011.html">[Mageia-dev] imagemagick 6.7
+</A><A NAME="9011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009012.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009013.html">[Mageia-dev] imagemagick 6.7
+</A><A NAME="9013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>lists.jjorge at free.fr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009014.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009015.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009016.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009017.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009018.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009019.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009020.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [156965] Fix for the GIF load Overflow ( https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug. cgi?id=3096 )
+</A><A NAME="9020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009492.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="9492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Berra
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009021.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009022.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009023.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009024.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009025.html">[Mageia-dev] imagemagick 6.7
+</A><A NAME="9025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009026.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="9026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009027.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009028.html">[Mageia-dev] imagemagick 6.7
+</A><A NAME="9028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009029.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release pingus-0.7.4-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009030.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009031.html">[Mageia-dev] Initscripts - Migrating to git and regenerating mdkconf.patch and further Mageia tweaks.
+</A><A NAME="9031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009032.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009033.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009034.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [156965] Fix for the GIF load Overflow ( https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug. cgi?id=3096 )
+</A><A NAME="9034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009035.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009036.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009037.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [157183] - new version 3.2.1
+</A><A NAME="9037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009038.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [157183] - new version 3.2.1
+</A><A NAME="9038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009039.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release pingus-0.7.4-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009040.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [157183] - new version 3.2.1
+</A><A NAME="9040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009041.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009042.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [157183] - new version 3.2.1
+</A><A NAME="9042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009043.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009044.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009045.html">[Mageia-dev] Initscripts - Migrating to git and regenerating mdkconf.patch and further Mageia tweaks.
+</A><A NAME="9045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009046.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009047.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009493.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="9493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Berra
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009048.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009049.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009050.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009051.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="9051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009052.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009053.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009054.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009055.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009056.html">[Mageia-dev] Initscripts - Migrating to git and regenerating mdkconf.patch and further Mageia tweaks.
+</A><A NAME="9056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009057.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009058.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009059.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009060.html">[Mageia-dev] Initscripts - Migrating to git and regenerating mdkconf.patch and further Mageia tweaks.
+</A><A NAME="9060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009061.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009062.html">[Mageia-dev] Initscripts - Migrating to git and regenerating mdkconf.patch and further Mageia tweaks.
+</A><A NAME="9062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009063.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009064.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009065.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009066.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009067.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009068.html">[Mageia-dev] New planning for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009069.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009070.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009071.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009072.html">[Mageia-dev] New planning for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009073.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009074.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009075.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009076.html">[Mageia-dev] New planning for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009077.html">[Mageia-dev] New planning for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009078.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009079.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009080.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="9080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009081.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009082.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009083.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009084.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009085.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009086.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009087.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009088.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009090.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009091.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009089.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009092.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009093.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009094.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009095.html">[Mageia-dev] IDE/SATA driver ordering [was Re: Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)]
+</A><A NAME="9095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009096.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009097.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 new schedule: string freeze vs. i18n freeze
+</A><A NAME="9097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009098.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 new schedule: string freeze vs. i18n freeze
+</A><A NAME="9098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009099.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009100.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009101.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009102.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009103.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009104.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009105.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009106.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009107.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009108.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009109.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009110.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009111.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009112.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 nonfree/updates_testing freetype2-2.4.4-5.3.mga1.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="9112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009113.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 nonfree/updates_testing freetype2-2.4.4-5.3.mga1.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="9113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009114.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 nonfree/updates_testing freetype2-2.4.4-5.3.mga1.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="9114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009115.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 nonfree/updates_testing freetype2-2.4.4-5.3.mga1.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="9115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009116.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 nonfree/updates_testing freetype2-2.4.4-5.3.mga1.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="9116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009117.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release util-linux-2.20.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009118.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release util-linux-2.20.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009119.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009120.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009121.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009122.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009123.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009125.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009124.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009126.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009127.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009128.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matthew Dawkins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009129.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009130.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009131.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="9131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009132.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009133.html">[Mageia-dev] package removal request
+</A><A NAME="9133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lev Givon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009134.html">[Mageia-dev] package removal request
+</A><A NAME="9134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009135.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release util-linux-2.20.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009136.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009137.html">[Mageia-dev] A Polish Remix of Mageia 1 &quot;Magiczny Remix&quot; has been released!
+</A><A NAME="9137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009138.html">[Mageia-dev] A Polish Remix of Mageia 1 &quot;Magiczny Remix&quot; has been released!
+</A><A NAME="9138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009139.html">[Mageia-dev] new kernel
+</A><A NAME="9139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009140.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release apache-commons-sandbox-parent-9-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009141.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release apache-commons-sandbox-parent-9-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009142.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009143.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009144.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009145.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009146.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009147.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009148.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009149.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009150.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009151.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009152.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009153.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009154.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009155.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009156.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009157.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009158.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009159.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009160.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009161.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009162.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009163.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009172.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009171.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [158743] Apply P0
+</A><A NAME="9171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009164.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [158743] Apply P0
+</A><A NAME="9164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009165.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [158743] Apply P0
+</A><A NAME="9165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009166.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [158743] Apply P0
+</A><A NAME="9166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009167.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [158743] Apply P0
+</A><A NAME="9167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009174.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009168.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009169.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009170.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [158743] Apply P0
+</A><A NAME="9170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009173.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009175.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009176.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 2157 - Switch to &quot;standard&quot; rpm metadata for package repositories in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009177.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009178.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009179.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009180.html">[Mageia-dev] Window Maker is alive
+</A><A NAME="9180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009181.html">[Mageia-dev] Window Maker is alive
+</A><A NAME="9181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009182.html">[Mageia-dev] Window Maker is alive
+</A><A NAME="9182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009183.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009184.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009185.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-data-server-3.3.1.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009186.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009187.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009188.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-data-server-3.3.1.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009189.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009190.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009192.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009191.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009193.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009194.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009195.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009196.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING to users with LVM drives.
+</A><A NAME="9196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009197.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009198.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009199.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009200.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009205.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009209.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009201.html">[Mageia-dev] Strange warning when building ascii
+</A><A NAME="9201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009202.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release util-linux-2.20.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009203.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009204.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009206.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009207.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009208.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009210.html">[Mageia-dev] Strange warning when building ascii
+</A><A NAME="9210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009211.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009212.html">[Mageia-dev] Strange warning when building ascii
+</A><A NAME="9212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009213.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009214.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009215.html">[Mageia-dev] specifications for mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009216.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009217.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009218.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009219.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release util-linux-2.20.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009220.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009221.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009222.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009223.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009224.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009225.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009226.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009227.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron not boot and all services will not boot after systemd migration
+</A><A NAME="9227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009228.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release util-linux-2.20.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009229.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009230.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron not boot and all services will not boot after systemd migration
+</A><A NAME="9230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009231.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating ruby to 1.9.3?
+</A><A NAME="9231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009232.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating ruby to 1.9.3?
+</A><A NAME="9232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009233.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009234.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating ruby to 1.9.3?
+</A><A NAME="9234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009235.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009236.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009237.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating ruby to 1.9.3?
+</A><A NAME="9237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009238.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009239.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009240.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009241.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009242.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009243.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009244.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009245.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009246.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009247.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009248.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009249.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009250.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009251.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009252.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009253.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009254.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009255.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009256.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009257.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009258.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009259.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009260.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009261.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Mon Oct 31 23:16:07 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri Nov 11 22:10:36 CET 2011</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
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+
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+ <h1>October 2011 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Oct 1 00:05:37 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Oct 31 23:16:07 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 704<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008706.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;adding 16777 new rpms not available in existing hdlist&quot; ??
+</A><A NAME="8706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008707.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;adding 16777 new rpms not available in existing hdlist&quot; ??
+</A><A NAME="8707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008708.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;adding 16777 new rpms not available in existing hdlist&quot; ??
+</A><A NAME="8708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008728.html">[Mageia-dev] (no subject)
+</A><A NAME="8728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>genomega
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008678.html">[Mageia-dev] 32 bits packages preferred over 64 bits packages?
+</A><A NAME="8678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008679.html">[Mageia-dev] 32 bits packages preferred over 64 bits packages?
+</A><A NAME="8679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008680.html">[Mageia-dev] 32 bits packages preferred over 64 bits packages?
+</A><A NAME="8680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008684.html">[Mageia-dev] 32 bits packages preferred over 64 bits packages?
+</A><A NAME="8684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008733.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1047] Build less iso's
+</A><A NAME="8733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008757.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1047] Build less iso's
+</A><A NAME="8757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008758.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1047] Build less iso's
+</A><A NAME="8758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008763.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1047] Build less iso's
+</A><A NAME="8763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008735.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008738.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008741.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008746.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008747.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008749.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008752.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008753.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008734.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008736.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008740.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008745.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008748.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008750.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008751.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008754.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008756.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008876.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing?terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008865.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing?terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008634.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008623.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008633.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008635.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008852.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008855.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008857.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008941.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing tftp-5.0-7.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008626.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lev Givon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008631.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008632.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lev Givon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009112.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 nonfree/updates_testing freetype2-2.4.4-5.3.mga1.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="9112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009113.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 nonfree/updates_testing freetype2-2.4.4-5.3.mga1.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="9113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009114.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 nonfree/updates_testing freetype2-2.4.4-5.3.mga1.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="9114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009115.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 nonfree/updates_testing freetype2-2.4.4-5.3.mga1.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="9115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009116.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 nonfree/updates_testing freetype2-2.4.4-5.3.mga1.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="9116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008795.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release akonadi-google-0.2-0.git.20110717.2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008820.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release akonadi-google-0.2-0.git.20110717.2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008893.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release akonadi-google-0.2-0.git.20110717.2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009140.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release apache-commons-sandbox-parent-9-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009141.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release apache-commons-sandbox-parent-9-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008760.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release c-icap-0.1.7-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008770.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drupal-7.8-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008775.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drupal-7.8-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008779.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drupal-7.8-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008780.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drupal-7.8-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009185.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-data-server-3.3.1.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009188.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-data-server-3.3.1.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008900.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtksourceview-3.2.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008647.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8-4.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008650.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8-4.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008651.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8-4.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008654.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8-4.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008918.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008920.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008924.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008928.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008929.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008934.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008942.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008944.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008946.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008947.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008949.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008952.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008956.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008959.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008965.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Z&#233;zinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008966.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008657.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release logrotate-3.8.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008645.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008646.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008659.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008660.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008661.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008662.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008666.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008667.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008847.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-5.14.2-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008874.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-5.14.2-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009177.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009029.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release pingus-0.7.4-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009039.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release pingus-0.7.4-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008940.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tftp-5.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008705.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tortoisehg-2.1.4-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008719.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tortoisehg-2.1.4-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008724.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tortoisehg-2.1.4-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008584.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release unetbootin-0-0.555.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009118.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release util-linux-2.20.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009202.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release util-linux-2.20.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008565.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release zoom-1.1.4-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008566.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release zoom-1.1.4-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008569.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release zoom-1.1.4-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008570.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release zoom-1.1.4-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008664.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release logrotate-3.8.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008718.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tortoisehg-2.1.4-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009117.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release util-linux-2.20.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009135.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release util-linux-2.20.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009219.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release util-linux-2.20.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009228.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release util-linux-2.20.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008607.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release sound-scripts-0.61-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008610.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release sound-scripts-0.61-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008611.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release sound-scripts-0.61-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008614.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release sound-scripts-0.61-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008970.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008974.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008976.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008978.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008979.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008980.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008981.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008985.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008989.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008990.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009048.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008689.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-*
+</A><A NAME="8689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008690.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-*
+</A><A NAME="8690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008731.html">[Mageia-dev] [doc-discuss] Meeting tomorrow
+</A><A NAME="8731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008699.html">[Mageia-dev] [noise] get-skype in mandriva
+</A><A NAME="8699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008700.html">[Mageia-dev] [noise] get-skype in mandriva
+</A><A NAME="8700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008702.html">[Mageia-dev] [noise] get-skype in mandriva
+</A><A NAME="8702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008703.html">[Mageia-dev] [noise] get-skype in mandriva
+</A><A NAME="8703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008730.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [153680] Fixed the /usr/share/applications/. desktop file to make it more standard
+</A><A NAME="8730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008883.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008890.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008894.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008895.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008897.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008898.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008901.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008902.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008906.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008909.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008913.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008922.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008923.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008938.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155802] Update to fix crash #1816
+</A><A NAME="8938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008943.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155802] Update to fix crash #1816
+</A><A NAME="8943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008945.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155802] Update to fix crash #1816
+</A><A NAME="8945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008948.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155802] Update to fix crash #1816
+</A><A NAME="8948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009020.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [156965] Fix for the GIF load Overflow ( https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug. cgi?id=3096 )
+</A><A NAME="9020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009034.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [156965] Fix for the GIF load Overflow ( https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug. cgi?id=3096 )
+</A><A NAME="9034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009037.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [157183] - new version 3.2.1
+</A><A NAME="9037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009038.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [157183] - new version 3.2.1
+</A><A NAME="9038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009040.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [157183] - new version 3.2.1
+</A><A NAME="9040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009042.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [157183] - new version 3.2.1
+</A><A NAME="9042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009171.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [158743] Apply P0
+</A><A NAME="9171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009164.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [158743] Apply P0
+</A><A NAME="9164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009165.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [158743] Apply P0
+</A><A NAME="9165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009166.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [158743] Apply P0
+</A><A NAME="9166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009167.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [158743] Apply P0
+</A><A NAME="9167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009170.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [158743] Apply P0
+</A><A NAME="9170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008867.html">[Mageia-dev] [qa-discuss] Packages requiring linking for updates already in Core Updates
+</A><A NAME="8867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008962.html">[Mageia-dev] [qa-discuss] Packages requiring linking for updates already in Core Updates
+</A><A NAME="8962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008692.html">[Mageia-dev] [qa-discuss] Packages requiring linking for updates already in Core Updates
+</A><A NAME="8692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008766.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Change default scanning application for hplip
+</A><A NAME="8766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008767.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Change default scanning application for hplip
+</A><A NAME="8767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008790.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Change default scanning application for hplip
+</A><A NAME="8790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008796.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Change default scanning application for hplip
+</A><A NAME="8796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008798.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Change default scanning application for hplip
+</A><A NAME="8798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008803.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Change default scanning application for hplip
+</A><A NAME="8803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008936.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008939.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008960.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008961.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008964.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008973.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008984.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008896.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008907.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008908.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008921.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008726.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008744.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008773.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008892.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008904.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008986.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008768.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nspluginwrapper should exclude native x86_64 plugins from wrapping
+</A><A NAME="8768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008769.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nspluginwrapper should exclude native x86_64 plugins from wrapping
+</A><A NAME="8769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008771.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nspluginwrapper should exclude native x86_64 plugins from wrapping
+</A><A NAME="8771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008776.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nspluginwrapper should exclude native x86_64 plugins from wrapping
+</A><A NAME="8776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008676.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release texlive-20100722-37.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008560.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release webkit-1.5.2-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008564.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release webkit-1.5.2-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008601.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release webkit-1.5.2-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008605.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release webkit-1.5.2-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008653.html">[Mageia-dev] [updates-announce] Package update: kernel-firmware-extra (nonfree)
+</A><A NAME="8653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009137.html">[Mageia-dev] A Polish Remix of Mageia 1 &quot;Magiczny Remix&quot; has been released!
+</A><A NAME="9137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009138.html">[Mageia-dev] A Polish Remix of Mageia 1 &quot;Magiczny Remix&quot; has been released!
+</A><A NAME="9138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008606.html">[Mageia-dev] About gvfs-1.8 with Gnome 2.32
+</A><A NAME="8606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008609.html">[Mageia-dev] About gvfs-1.8 with Gnome 2.32
+</A><A NAME="8609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008613.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008619.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008620.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008621.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008648.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008652.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwan Velu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008670.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008672.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008822.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008823.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008824.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008825.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008826.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008828.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008829.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008835.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008836.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008840.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008843.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008872.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008950.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008951.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008953.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008954.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008955.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008967.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008969.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008996.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008998.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009001.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009010.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009019.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008649.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: kernel-3.1-rc9 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008677.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: kernel-3.1-rc9 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009092.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009093.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009100.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009101.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009102.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009103.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009104.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009105.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009107.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008567.html">[Mageia-dev] Assigning bugs to maintainers
+</A><A NAME="8567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008598.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joaquin Mandriva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008887.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008914.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008915.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008916.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008925.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joaquin Mandriva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008930.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gonzalo Igartua
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008933.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008937.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008958.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009176.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 2157 - Switch to &quot;standard&quot; rpm metadata for package repositories in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008864.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 3047 Assigned confusion
+</A><A NAME="8864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008877.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 3047 Assigned confusion
+</A><A NAME="8877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008582.html">[Mageia-dev] Building ldetect on Cauldron is broken.
+</A><A NAME="8582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008583.html">[Mageia-dev] Building ldetect on Cauldron is broken.
+</A><A NAME="8583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008821.html">[Mageia-dev] check.mageia.org stalled?
+</A><A NAME="8821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008831.html">[Mageia-dev] check.mageia.org stalled?
+</A><A NAME="8831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008627.html">[Mageia-dev] Detailed version of the Mageia Unmaintained Packages
+</A><A NAME="8627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008643.html">[Mageia-dev] Detailed version of the Mageia Unmaintained Packages
+</A><A NAME="8643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008624.html">[Mageia-dev] Detailed version of the Mageia Unmaintained Packages
+</A><A NAME="8624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008557.html">[Mageia-dev] Disabling hybernation
+</A><A NAME="8557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008562.html">[Mageia-dev] Disabling hybernation
+</A><A NAME="8562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008573.html">[Mageia-dev] Disabling hybernation
+</A><A NAME="8573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008581.html">[Mageia-dev] Disabling hybernation
+</A><A NAME="8581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008622.html">[Mageia-dev] Disabling hybernation
+</A><A NAME="8622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008658.html">[Mageia-dev] Disabling hybernation
+</A><A NAME="8658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008617.html">[Mageia-dev] Docteam meeting, Tuesday October 4th
+</A><A NAME="8617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008879.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="8879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008884.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="8884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008695.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008704.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008710.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008714.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008717.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008720.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008926.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008927.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009047.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009049.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009050.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009052.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009053.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009082.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009119.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009127.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009128.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matthew Dawkins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009129.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009130.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009132.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009136.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009155.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009158.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009178.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008612.html">[Mageia-dev] freeglut vs. mesa (devel requires problem)
+</A><A NAME="8612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008615.html">[Mageia-dev] freeglut vs. mesa (devel requires problem)
+</A><A NAME="8615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008618.html">[Mageia-dev] freeglut vs. mesa (devel requires problem)
+</A><A NAME="8618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008585.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Cooker] drakxtools massive update
+</A><A NAME="8585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008586.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Cooker] drakxtools massive update
+</A><A NAME="8586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008587.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Cooker] drakxtools massive update
+</A><A NAME="8587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008588.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Cooker] drakxtools massive update
+</A><A NAME="8588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008589.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Cooker] drakxtools massive update
+</A><A NAME="8589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008591.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Cooker] drakxtools massive update
+</A><A NAME="8591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008931.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Cooker] WANTED: the cyclic dependency Hell (aka Automated Bootstrapping)
+</A><A NAME="8931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008765.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Distress signal for resolving issue with Drakxnet tools
+</A><A NAME="8765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008764.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Distress signal for resolving issue with Drakxnet tools
+</A><A NAME="8764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008777.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Distress signal for resolving issue with Drakxnet tools
+</A><A NAME="8777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008571.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME 3.2 or 3.4 for Mageia 2?
+</A><A NAME="8571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008577.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME 3.2 or 3.4 for Mageia 2?
+</A><A NAME="8577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008580.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME 3.2 or 3.4 for Mageia 2?
+</A><A NAME="8580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008590.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME 3.2 or 3.4 for Mageia 2?
+</A><A NAME="8590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008681.html">[Mageia-dev] grub menu.lst question
+</A><A NAME="8681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Scott Chevalley
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008683.html">[Mageia-dev] grub menu.lst question
+</A><A NAME="8683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008685.html">[Mageia-dev] grub menu.lst question
+</A><A NAME="8685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008686.html">[Mageia-dev] grub menu.lst question
+</A><A NAME="8686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008687.html">[Mageia-dev] grub menu.lst question
+</A><A NAME="8687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008727.html">[Mageia-dev] grub menu.lst question
+</A><A NAME="8727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Scott Chevalley
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009041.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009043.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009046.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009054.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009065.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009066.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008910.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with %cmake_kde4 use
+</A><A NAME="8910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008911.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with %cmake_kde4 use
+</A><A NAME="8911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008912.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with %cmake_kde4 use
+</A><A NAME="8912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008889.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="8889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009095.html">[Mageia-dev] IDE/SATA driver ordering [was Re: Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)]
+</A><A NAME="9095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009011.html">[Mageia-dev] imagemagick 6.7
+</A><A NAME="9011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009013.html">[Mageia-dev] imagemagick 6.7
+</A><A NAME="9013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>lists.jjorge at free.fr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009025.html">[Mageia-dev] imagemagick 6.7
+</A><A NAME="9025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009028.html">[Mageia-dev] imagemagick 6.7
+</A><A NAME="9028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009060.html">[Mageia-dev] Initscripts - Migrating to git and regenerating mdkconf.patch and further Mageia tweaks.
+</A><A NAME="9060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009031.html">[Mageia-dev] Initscripts - Migrating to git and regenerating mdkconf.patch and further Mageia tweaks.
+</A><A NAME="9031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009045.html">[Mageia-dev] Initscripts - Migrating to git and regenerating mdkconf.patch and further Mageia tweaks.
+</A><A NAME="9045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009056.html">[Mageia-dev] Initscripts - Migrating to git and regenerating mdkconf.patch and further Mageia tweaks.
+</A><A NAME="9056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009062.html">[Mageia-dev] Initscripts - Migrating to git and regenerating mdkconf.patch and further Mageia tweaks.
+</A><A NAME="9062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008636.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.2
+</A><A NAME="8636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008637.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.2
+</A><A NAME="8637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008638.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.2
+</A><A NAME="8638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008639.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.2
+</A><A NAME="8639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008640.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.2
+</A><A NAME="8640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008655.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.2
+</A><A NAME="8655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008723.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE screensaver blocks background GUI processing ?
+</A><A NAME="8723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008919.html">[Mageia-dev] Latest Evolution update on Cauldron - error with Google Calendar
+</A><A NAME="8919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008772.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazarus for qt
+</A><A NAME="8772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joaquin Mandriva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008774.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazarus for qt
+</A><A NAME="8774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008778.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazarus for qt
+</A><A NAME="8778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joaquin Mandriva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008787.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazarus for qt
+</A><A NAME="8787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008837.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazarus for qt
+</A><A NAME="8837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008861.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazarus for qt
+</A><A NAME="8861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Olivetti
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008792.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008794.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008797.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008799.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008800.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008801.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008802.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008804.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008805.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008806.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008807.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008808.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008809.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008810.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008811.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008813.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Altizer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008814.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008815.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008827.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008830.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008834.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008832.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008833.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008839.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008841.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008846.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009163.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009195.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009098.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 new schedule: string freeze vs. i18n freeze
+</A><A NAME="9098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009097.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 new schedule: string freeze vs. i18n freeze
+</A><A NAME="9097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009227.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron not boot and all services will not boot after systemd migration
+</A><A NAME="9227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009230.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron not boot and all services will not boot after systemd migration
+</A><A NAME="9230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008574.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia software development process (transfugdrake)
+</A><A NAME="8574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008575.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia software development process (transfugdrake)
+</A><A NAME="8575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabrice Facorat
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008576.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia software development process (transfugdrake)
+</A><A NAME="8576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008578.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia software development process (transfugdrake)
+</A><A NAME="8578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008579.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia software development process (transfugdrake)
+</A><A NAME="8579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009211.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009214.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009218.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009220.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009221.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009223.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009224.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009225.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009226.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008701.html">[Mageia-dev] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !
+</A><A NAME="8701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008791.html">[Mageia-dev] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !
+</A><A NAME="8791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008694.html">[Mageia-dev] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !
+</A><A NAME="8694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008696.html">[Mageia-dev] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !
+</A><A NAME="8696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008793.html">[Mageia-dev] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !
+</A><A NAME="8793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008842.html">[Mageia-dev] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !
+</A><A NAME="8842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008729.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tomorrow
+</A><A NAME="8729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008592.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="8592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008593.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="8593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008600.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="8600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008603.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="8603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008604.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="8604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008608.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="8608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier FAURAX
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009080.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="9080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008880.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008881.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008882.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008885.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008888.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008891.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008917.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008991.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009067.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009070.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009071.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009074.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009069.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009073.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009075.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009078.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008656.html">[Mageia-dev] Module config chaos [was Re: ANN: kernel-3.1-rc9 landing...]
+</A><A NAME="8656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008669.html">[Mageia-dev] Netiquette violations
+</A><A NAME="8669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009139.html">[Mageia-dev] new kernel
+</A><A NAME="9139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009068.html">[Mageia-dev] New planning for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009072.html">[Mageia-dev] New planning for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009076.html">[Mageia-dev] New planning for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009077.html">[Mageia-dev] New planning for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008671.html">[Mageia-dev] New texlive version
+</A><A NAME="8671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008673.html">[Mageia-dev] New texlive version
+</A><A NAME="8673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008674.html">[Mageia-dev] New texlive version
+</A><A NAME="8674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008675.html">[Mageia-dev] New texlive version
+</A><A NAME="8675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008682.html">[Mageia-dev] New texlive version
+</A><A NAME="8682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008556.html">[Mageia-dev] Opening backports (was Re: [Mageia-sysadm] Using SQL database for youri)
+</A><A NAME="8556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008559.html">[Mageia-dev] Opening backports (was Re: [Mageia-sysadm] Using SQL database for youri)
+</A><A NAME="8559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008561.html">[Mageia-dev] Opening backports (was Re: [Mageia-sysadm] Using SQL database for youri)
+</A><A NAME="8561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008563.html">[Mageia-dev] Opening backports (was Re: [Mageia-sysadm] Using SQL database for youri)
+</A><A NAME="8563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008572.html">[Mageia-dev] Opening backports (was Re: [Mageia-sysadm] Using SQL database for youri)
+</A><A NAME="8572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008762.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenSUSE OpenQA tool
+</A><A NAME="8762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008688.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008691.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008697.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008698.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008712.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008715.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008716.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008785.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009133.html">[Mageia-dev] package removal request
+</A><A NAME="9133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lev Givon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009134.html">[Mageia-dev] package removal request
+</A><A NAME="9134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009131.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="9131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008838.html">[Mageia-dev] perl 5.14.2 on its way
+</A><A NAME="8838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008845.html">[Mageia-dev] perl 5.14.2 on its way
+</A><A NAME="8845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008602.html">[Mageia-dev] PLEASE READ. Package adoption campaign: status report (mine, and yours)
+</A><A NAME="8602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008599.html">[Mageia-dev] PLEASE READ. Package adoption campaign: status report (mine, and yours)
+</A><A NAME="8599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008630.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove package handbrake
+</A><A NAME="8630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008743.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove package handbrake
+</A><A NAME="8743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009027.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009030.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009032.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009033.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009035.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009036.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009044.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009055.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009057.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009058.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009059.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009061.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009063.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009079.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009090.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009089.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009096.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009111.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009125.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009191.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009193.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009197.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009198.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009199.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009064.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009120.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009121.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009122.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009123.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009124.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009126.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009142.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009143.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009144.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009145.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009146.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009147.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009148.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009149.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009151.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009152.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009169.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009205.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009209.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009203.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009204.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009206.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009207.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009208.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009213.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009216.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009217.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009222.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009229.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009239.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009242.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009243.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009244.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009245.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009246.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009247.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009249.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008568.html">[Mageia-dev] pm-utils and requires to bootloader-utils
+</A><A NAME="8568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009099.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009106.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009109.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008721.html">[Mageia-dev] problem with build system?
+</A><A NAME="8721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008722.html">[Mageia-dev] problem with build system?
+</A><A NAME="8722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008995.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="8995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008997.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="8997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008999.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="8999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009003.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009004.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009005.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009006.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009007.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009008.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009009.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009012.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009014.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009023.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009083.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009084.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009200.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009233.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009085.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009086.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009236.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009238.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009240.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009087.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009241.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009258.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009088.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009108.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009110.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009091.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009094.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008899.html">[Mageia-dev] remove package in x86_64
+</A><A NAME="8899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009015.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009016.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009021.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009022.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009081.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008993.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="8993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009000.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009017.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009018.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009024.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009235.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009248.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009250.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009251.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009252.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009253.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009254.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009255.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009256.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009257.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009259.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009260.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009261.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008844.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008848.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008849.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008850.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008851.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008853.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008854.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008856.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008858.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008859.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008860.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008862.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008863.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008866.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008868.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008869.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008871.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008873.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008875.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008905.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008957.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm-debug est toujours desyncrho dans debug/core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="8957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009215.html">[Mageia-dev] specifications for mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009201.html">[Mageia-dev] Strange warning when building ascii
+</A><A NAME="9201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009210.html">[Mageia-dev] Strange warning when building ascii
+</A><A NAME="9210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009212.html">[Mageia-dev] Strange warning when building ascii
+</A><A NAME="9212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008725.html">[Mageia-dev] Strange warnings during urpmi &quot;--auto-update -v&quot;
+</A><A NAME="8725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008783.html">[Mageia-dev] Strange warnings during urpmi &quot;--auto-update -v&quot;
+</A><A NAME="8783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009179.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009183.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009184.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009186.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009187.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009189.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009190.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009192.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009194.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008663.html">[Mageia-dev] Syslinux integration roadmap
+</A><A NAME="8663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwan Velu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008665.html">[Mageia-dev] Syslinux integration roadmap
+</A><A NAME="8665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008668.html">[Mageia-dev] Syslinux integration roadmap
+</A><A NAME="8668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008693.html">[Mageia-dev] Syslinux integration roadmap
+</A><A NAME="8693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008737.html">[Mageia-dev] TeamViewer under Cauldron x86_64
+</A><A NAME="8737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008742.html">[Mageia-dev] TeamViewer under Cauldron x86_64
+</A><A NAME="8742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008759.html">[Mageia-dev] TeamViewer under Cauldron x86_64
+</A><A NAME="8759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008782.html">[Mageia-dev] TeamViewer under Cauldron x86_64
+</A><A NAME="8782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008788.html">[Mageia-dev] TeamViewer under Cauldron x86_64
+</A><A NAME="8788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008616.html">[Mageia-dev] texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008629.html">[Mageia-dev] texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008878.html">[Mageia-dev] texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008886.html">[Mageia-dev] texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Giuseppe Ghib&#242;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008903.html">[Mageia-dev] texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008935.html">[Mageia-dev] texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Giuseppe Ghib&#242;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008641.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="8641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008789.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="8789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008987.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="8987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008988.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="8988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008558.html">[Mageia-dev] Trying to solve bug #2317
+</A><A NAME="8558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008982.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="8982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008983.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="8983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008992.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="8992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009492.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="9492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Berra
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009026.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="9026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009493.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="9493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Berra
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009051.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="9051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008994.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="8994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009002.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="9002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008625.html">[Mageia-dev] Updated package (gscan2pdf) and mentorship request
+</A><A NAME="8625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008628.html">[Mageia-dev] Updated package (gscan2pdf) and mentorship request
+</A><A NAME="8628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008644.html">[Mageia-dev] Updated package (gscan2pdf) and mentorship request
+</A><A NAME="8644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yann Lejeune
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009150.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009153.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009154.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009156.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009157.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009159.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009160.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009161.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009162.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009172.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009174.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009168.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009173.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009175.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009231.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating ruby to 1.9.3?
+</A><A NAME="9231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009232.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating ruby to 1.9.3?
+</A><A NAME="9232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009234.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating ruby to 1.9.3?
+</A><A NAME="9234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009237.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating ruby to 1.9.3?
+</A><A NAME="9237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008709.html">[Mageia-dev] Vacations - 2 Weeks
+</A><A NAME="8709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008711.html">[Mageia-dev] Vacations - 2 Weeks
+</A><A NAME="8711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008963.html">[Mageia-dev] virtualbox 4.0.14 update for Mageia 1?
+</A><A NAME="8963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008968.html">[Mageia-dev] virtualbox 4.0.14 update for Mageia 1?
+</A><A NAME="8968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008971.html">[Mageia-dev] virtualbox 4.0.14 update for Mageia 1?
+</A><A NAME="8971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008972.html">[Mageia-dev] virtualbox 4.0.14 update for Mageia 1?
+</A><A NAME="8972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008975.html">[Mageia-dev] virtualbox 4.0.14 update for Mageia 1?
+</A><A NAME="8975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008977.html">[Mageia-dev] virtualbox 4.0.14 update for Mageia 1?
+</A><A NAME="8977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008732.html">[Mageia-dev] vlc packages
+</A><A NAME="8732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008816.html">[Mageia-dev] vlc packages
+</A><A NAME="8816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008817.html">[Mageia-dev] vlc packages
+</A><A NAME="8817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008818.html">[Mageia-dev] vlc packages
+</A><A NAME="8818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008819.html">[Mageia-dev] vlc packages
+</A><A NAME="8819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008870.html">[Mageia-dev] vlc packages
+</A><A NAME="8870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009196.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING to users with LVM drives.
+</A><A NAME="9196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008812.html">[Mageia-dev] WiFi AdHoc networking
+</A><A NAME="8812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008932.html">[Mageia-dev] WiFi AdHoc networking
+</A><A NAME="8932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009180.html">[Mageia-dev] Window Maker is alive
+</A><A NAME="9180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009181.html">[Mageia-dev] Window Maker is alive
+</A><A NAME="9181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009182.html">[Mageia-dev] Window Maker is alive
+</A><A NAME="9182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008642.html">[Mageia-dev] x11-server 1.11.0
+</A><A NAME="8642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008739.html">[Mageia-dev] x11-server 1.11.0
+</A><A NAME="8739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008755.html">[Mageia-dev] x11-server 1.11.0
+</A><A NAME="8755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008761.html">[Mageia-dev] x11-server 1.11.0
+</A><A NAME="8761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008781.html">[Mageia-dev] x11-server 1.11.0
+</A><A NAME="8781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008784.html">[Mageia-dev] x11-server 1.11.0
+</A><A NAME="8784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008786.html">[Mageia-dev] x11-server 1.11.0
+</A><A NAME="8786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008713.html">[Mageia-dev] xorg-x11-{75,100}dpi-fonts
+</A><A NAME="8713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Mon Oct 31 23:16:07 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri Nov 11 22:10:36 CET 2011</i>
+ <p>
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
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+ <h1>October 2011 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Oct 1 00:05:37 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Oct 31 23:16:07 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 704<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01317420337- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008556.html">[Mageia-dev] Opening backports (was Re: [Mageia-sysadm] Using SQL database for youri)
+</A><A NAME="8556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01317420337-01317423455- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008559.html">[Mageia-dev] Opening backports (was Re: [Mageia-sysadm] Using SQL database for youri)
+</A><A NAME="8559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01317420337-01317423455-01317423963- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008561.html">[Mageia-dev] Opening backports (was Re: [Mageia-sysadm] Using SQL database for youri)
+</A><A NAME="8561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01317420337-01317423455-01317424455- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008563.html">[Mageia-dev] Opening backports (was Re: [Mageia-sysadm] Using SQL database for youri)
+</A><A NAME="8563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01317420337-01317423455-01317424455-01317445484- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008572.html">[Mageia-dev] Opening backports (was Re: [Mageia-sysadm] Using SQL database for youri)
+</A><A NAME="8572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01317421794- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008557.html">[Mageia-dev] Disabling hybernation
+</A><A NAME="8557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01317423574- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008558.html">[Mageia-dev] Trying to solve bug #2317
+</A><A NAME="8558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01317423841- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008560.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release webkit-1.5.2-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01317423841-01317426746- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008564.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release webkit-1.5.2-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01317423841-01317426746-01317585834- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008601.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release webkit-1.5.2-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01317423841-01317426746-01317585834-01317620772- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008605.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release webkit-1.5.2-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01317424094- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008562.html">[Mageia-dev] Disabling hybernation
+</A><A NAME="8562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01317424094-01317448501- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008573.html">[Mageia-dev] Disabling hybernation
+</A><A NAME="8573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01317424094-01317764129- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008622.html">[Mageia-dev] Disabling hybernation
+</A><A NAME="8622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01317424094-01317764129-01317923236- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008658.html">[Mageia-dev] Disabling hybernation
+</A><A NAME="8658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01317426955- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008565.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release zoom-1.1.4-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01317426955-01317429749- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008566.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release zoom-1.1.4-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01317426955-01317429749-01317434323- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008569.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release zoom-1.1.4-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01317426955-01317429749-01317434323-01317437611- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008570.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release zoom-1.1.4-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01317429801- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008567.html">[Mageia-dev] Assigning bugs to maintainers
+</A><A NAME="8567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01317434016- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008568.html">[Mageia-dev] pm-utils and requires to bootloader-utils
+</A><A NAME="8568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01317438368- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008571.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME 3.2 or 3.4 for Mageia 2?
+</A><A NAME="8571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01317438368-01317459777- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008577.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME 3.2 or 3.4 for Mageia 2?
+</A><A NAME="8577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01317438368-01317459777-01317499100- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008590.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME 3.2 or 3.4 for Mageia 2?
+</A><A NAME="8590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01317453037- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008574.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia software development process (transfugdrake)
+</A><A NAME="8574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01317453037-01317458194- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008575.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia software development process (transfugdrake)
+</A><A NAME="8575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabrice Facorat
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01317453037-01317458194-01317458499- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008576.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia software development process (transfugdrake)
+</A><A NAME="8576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01317453037-01317458194-01317458499-01317460605- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008578.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia software development process (transfugdrake)
+</A><A NAME="8578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01317453037-01317458194-01317458499-01317460605-01317461302- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008579.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia software development process (transfugdrake)
+</A><A NAME="8579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01317462501- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008580.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME 3.2 or 3.4 for Mageia 2?
+</A><A NAME="8580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01317462601- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008581.html">[Mageia-dev] Disabling hybernation
+</A><A NAME="8581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01317464198- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008582.html">[Mageia-dev] Building ldetect on Cauldron is broken.
+</A><A NAME="8582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01317464198-01317467640- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008583.html">[Mageia-dev] Building ldetect on Cauldron is broken.
+</A><A NAME="8583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01317477352- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008584.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release unetbootin-0-0.555.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01317489928- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008585.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Cooker] drakxtools massive update
+</A><A NAME="8585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01317489928-01317490556- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008586.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Cooker] drakxtools massive update
+</A><A NAME="8586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01317489928-01317490685- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008587.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Cooker] drakxtools massive update
+</A><A NAME="8587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01317489928-01317490737- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008588.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Cooker] drakxtools massive update
+</A><A NAME="8588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01317489928-01317490737-01317490797- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008589.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Cooker] drakxtools massive update
+</A><A NAME="8589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01317489928-01317490737-01317490797-01317527010- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008591.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Cooker] drakxtools massive update
+</A><A NAME="8591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01317537270- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008592.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="8592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01317537270-01317548369- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008593.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="8593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01317537270-01317548369-01317579951- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008600.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="8600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01317537270-01317548369-01317579951-01317593736- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008603.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="8603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01317537270-01317548369-01317602372- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008604.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="8604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01317537270-01317634692- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008608.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="8608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier FAURAX
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01317569472- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008598.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joaquin Mandriva
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01317572231- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008599.html">[Mageia-dev] PLEASE READ. Package adoption campaign: status report (mine, and yours)
+</A><A NAME="8599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01317587547- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008602.html">[Mageia-dev] PLEASE READ. Package adoption campaign: status report (mine, and yours)
+</A><A NAME="8602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01317629965- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008606.html">[Mageia-dev] About gvfs-1.8 with Gnome 2.32
+</A><A NAME="8606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01317629965-01317636823- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008609.html">[Mageia-dev] About gvfs-1.8 with Gnome 2.32
+</A><A NAME="8609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01317630422- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008607.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release sound-scripts-0.61-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01317630422-01317645698- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008610.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release sound-scripts-0.61-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01317630422-01317645698-01317649114- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008611.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release sound-scripts-0.61-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01317630422-01317645698-01317649114-01317652130- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008614.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release sound-scripts-0.61-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01317649464- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008612.html">[Mageia-dev] freeglut vs. mesa (devel requires problem)
+</A><A NAME="8612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01317649464-01317664343- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008615.html">[Mageia-dev] freeglut vs. mesa (devel requires problem)
+</A><A NAME="8615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01317649464-01317664343-01317717076- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008618.html">[Mageia-dev] freeglut vs. mesa (devel requires problem)
+</A><A NAME="8618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01317650316- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008613.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01317650316-01317720629- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008619.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01317650316-01317720629-01317739852- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008620.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01317650316-01317720629-01317739852-01317741867- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008621.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01317650316-01317720629-01317739852-01317741867-01317855236- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008648.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01317666615- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008616.html">[Mageia-dev] texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01317666615-01317773891- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008629.html">[Mageia-dev] texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01317666615-01317773891-01318718808- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008878.html">[Mageia-dev] texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01317678463- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008617.html">[Mageia-dev] Docteam meeting, Tuesday October 4th
+</A><A NAME="8617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01317767998- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008623.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01317767998-01317768276- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008626.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lev Givon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01317767998-01317768276-01317810724- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008631.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01317767998-01317768276-01317810724-01317823018- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008632.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lev Givon
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01317767998-01317768276-01317810724-01317823018-01317823734- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008633.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01317767998-01317768276-01317810724-01317823018-01317823734-01317826997- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008634.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01317767998-01317768276-01317810724-01317823018-01317823734-01317826997-01317829020- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008635.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01317767998-01317768276-01317810724-01317823018-01317823734-01317826997-01317829020-01318605632- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008852.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01317767998-01317768276-01317810724-01317823018-01317823734-01317826997-01317829020-01318605632-01318611221- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008855.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01317767998-01317768276-01317810724-01317823018-01317823734-01317826997-01317829020-01318605632-01318611221-01318613190- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008857.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01317767998-01317768276-01317810724-01317823018-01317823734-01317826997-01317829020-01318605632-01318619809- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008865.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing?terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01317767998-01317768276-01317810724-01317823018-01317823734-01317826997-01317829020-01318605632-01318619809-01318678851- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008876.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing?terminator-0.96-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01317768146- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008624.html">[Mageia-dev] Detailed version of the Mageia Unmaintained Packages
+</A><A NAME="8624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01317768146-01317771851- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008627.html">[Mageia-dev] Detailed version of the Mageia Unmaintained Packages
+</A><A NAME="8627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01317768146-01317771851-01317839777- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008643.html">[Mageia-dev] Detailed version of the Mageia Unmaintained Packages
+</A><A NAME="8643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01317768557- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008625.html">[Mageia-dev] Updated package (gscan2pdf) and mentorship request
+</A><A NAME="8625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yann
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01317768557-01317773936- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008628.html">[Mageia-dev] Updated package (gscan2pdf) and mentorship request
+</A><A NAME="8628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01317768557-01317773936-01317845068- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008644.html">[Mageia-dev] Updated package (gscan2pdf) and mentorship request
+</A><A NAME="8644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yann Lejeune
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01317806404- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008630.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove package handbrake
+</A><A NAME="8630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01317806404-01318324050- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008743.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove package handbrake
+</A><A NAME="8743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01317830225- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008636.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.2
+</A><A NAME="8636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01317830225-01317830947- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008637.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.2
+</A><A NAME="8637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01317830225-01317830947-01317831833- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008638.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.2
+</A><A NAME="8638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01317830225-01317830947-01317831833-01317832011- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008640.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.2
+</A><A NAME="8640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01317830225-01317830947-01317831902- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008639.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.2
+</A><A NAME="8639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01317830225-01317830947-01317831902-01317914595- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008655.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.2
+</A><A NAME="8655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01317833204- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008641.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="8641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01317836631- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008642.html">[Mageia-dev] x11-server 1.11.0
+</A><A NAME="8642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01317849841- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008645.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01317849841-01317850693- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008646.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01317849841-01317923421- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008659.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01317849841-01317923421-01317923709- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008660.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01317849841-01317923421-01317923709-01317924063- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008661.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01317849841-01317923421-01317923709-01317924063-01317924455- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008662.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01317849841-01317923421-01317923709-01317924063-01317924455-01317932329- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008666.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01317849841-01317923421-01317923709-01317924063-01317924455-01317932329-01317933061- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008667.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release man-pages-3.35-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01317851040- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008647.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8-4.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01317851040-01317866364- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008650.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8-4.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01317851040-01317866364-01317883577- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008651.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8-4.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01317851040-01317866364-01317883577-01317912830- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008654.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8-4.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01317859118- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008649.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: kernel-3.1-rc9 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01317859118-01317916540- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008656.html">[Mageia-dev] Module config chaos [was Re: ANN: kernel-3.1-rc9 landing...]
+</A><A NAME="8656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01317859118-01318014889- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008677.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: kernel-3.1-rc9 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01317891240- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008652.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwan Velu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01317891240-01317944670- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008670.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01317891240-01317944670-01317972294- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008672.html">[Mageia-dev] About syslinux &amp; libpng
+</A><A NAME="8672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01317906599- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008653.html">[Mageia-dev] [updates-announce] Package update: kernel-firmware-extra (nonfree)
+</A><A NAME="8653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01317922421- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008657.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release logrotate-3.8.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01317922421-01317926045- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008664.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release logrotate-3.8.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01317925110- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008663.html">[Mageia-dev] Syslinux integration roadmap
+</A><A NAME="8663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwan Velu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01317925110-01317927995- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008665.html">[Mageia-dev] Syslinux integration roadmap
+</A><A NAME="8665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01317925110-01317927995-01317938373- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008668.html">[Mageia-dev] Syslinux integration roadmap
+</A><A NAME="8668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01317925110-01317927995-01317938373-01317943228- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008669.html">[Mageia-dev] Netiquette violations
+</A><A NAME="8669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01317925110-01318144296- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008693.html">[Mageia-dev] Syslinux integration roadmap
+</A><A NAME="8693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01317968834- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008671.html">[Mageia-dev] New texlive version
+</A><A NAME="8671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01317968834-01317976698- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008673.html">[Mageia-dev] New texlive version
+</A><A NAME="8673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01317968834-01317983670- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008674.html">[Mageia-dev] New texlive version
+</A><A NAME="8674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01317968834-01317983670-01317985713- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008675.html">[Mageia-dev] New texlive version
+</A><A NAME="8675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01317968834-01318024584- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008682.html">[Mageia-dev] New texlive version
+</A><A NAME="8682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318006917- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008676.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release texlive-20100722-37.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01318019320- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008678.html">[Mageia-dev] 32 bits packages preferred over 64 bits packages?
+</A><A NAME="8678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318019320-01318019519- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008679.html">[Mageia-dev] 32 bits packages preferred over 64 bits packages?
+</A><A NAME="8679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01318019320-01318019663- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008680.html">[Mageia-dev] 32 bits packages preferred over 64 bits packages?
+</A><A NAME="8680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318019320-01318019663-01318033860- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008684.html">[Mageia-dev] 32 bits packages preferred over 64 bits packages?
+</A><A NAME="8684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318024186- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008681.html">[Mageia-dev] grub menu.lst question
+</A><A NAME="8681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Scott Chevalley
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318024186-01318025070- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008683.html">[Mageia-dev] grub menu.lst question
+</A><A NAME="8683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01318024186-01318062668- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008685.html">[Mageia-dev] grub menu.lst question
+</A><A NAME="8685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318024186-01318062668-01318078771- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008687.html">[Mageia-dev] grub menu.lst question
+</A><A NAME="8687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318024186-01318062668-01318078771-01318260893- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008727.html">[Mageia-dev] grub menu.lst question
+</A><A NAME="8727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Scott Chevalley
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01318024186-01318074571- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008686.html">[Mageia-dev] grub menu.lst question
+</A><A NAME="8686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318095358- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008688.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318095358-01318100710- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008691.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318095358-01318100710-01318160054- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008697.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318095358-01318100710-01318160054-01318177224- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008698.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318095358-01318100710-01318160054-01318177224-01318238420- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008712.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318095358-01318100710-01318160054-01318177224-01318238420-01318240975- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008715.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318095358-01318100710-01318160054-01318177224-01318238420-01318240975-01318241331- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008716.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318095358-01318100710-01318160054-01318177224-01318238420-01318240975-01318241331-01318423818- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008785.html">[Mageia-dev] OSS sound support
+</A><A NAME="8785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318098843- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008689.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-*
+</A><A NAME="8689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318098843-01318100325- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008690.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-*
+</A><A NAME="8690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318107349- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008692.html">[Mageia-dev] [qa-discuss] Packages requiring linking for updates already in Core Updates
+</A><A NAME="8692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318107349-01318631097- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008867.html">[Mageia-dev] [qa-discuss] Packages requiring linking for updates already in Core Updates
+</A><A NAME="8867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318107349-01318631097-01318987272- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008962.html">[Mageia-dev] [qa-discuss] Packages requiring linking for updates already in Core Updates
+</A><A NAME="8962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318152163- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008694.html">[Mageia-dev] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !
+</A><A NAME="8694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318152163-01318156102- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008696.html">[Mageia-dev] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !
+</A><A NAME="8696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318152163-01318156102-01318184129- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008701.html">[Mageia-dev] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !
+</A><A NAME="8701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318155707- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008695.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318155707-01318187829- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008704.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01318155707-01318230852- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008710.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318155707-01318230852-01318240520- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008714.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318155707-01318230852-01318240520-01318244641- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008717.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318155707-01318230852-01318240520-01318244641-01318245955- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008720.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318155707-01318230852-01318240520-01318244641-01318245955-01318840839- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008926.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318155707-01318230852-01318240520-01318244641-01318245955-01318840839-01318840948- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008927.html">[Mageia-dev] drupal - changes
+</A><A NAME="8927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318181283- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008699.html">[Mageia-dev] [noise] get-skype in mandriva
+</A><A NAME="8699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318181283-01318181686- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008700.html">[Mageia-dev] [noise] get-skype in mandriva
+</A><A NAME="8700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01318181283-01318184159- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008702.html">[Mageia-dev] [noise] get-skype in mandriva
+</A><A NAME="8702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318181283-01318184159-01318184690- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008703.html">[Mageia-dev] [noise] get-skype in mandriva
+</A><A NAME="8703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318197771- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008705.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tortoisehg-2.1.4-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318197771-01318245394- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008718.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tortoisehg-2.1.4-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318197771-01318245394-01318245607- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008719.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tortoisehg-2.1.4-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318197771-01318245394-01318245607-01318250405- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008724.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tortoisehg-2.1.4-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318201849- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008706.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;adding 16777 new rpms not available in existing hdlist&quot; ??
+</A><A NAME="8706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318201849-01318202249- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008707.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;adding 16777 new rpms not available in existing hdlist&quot; ??
+</A><A NAME="8707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318201849-01318202249-01318204529- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008708.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;adding 16777 new rpms not available in existing hdlist&quot; ??
+</A><A NAME="8708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318224267- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008709.html">[Mageia-dev] Vacations - 2 Weeks
+</A><A NAME="8709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318224267-01318231361- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008711.html">[Mageia-dev] Vacations - 2 Weeks
+</A><A NAME="8711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318239670- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008713.html">[Mageia-dev] xorg-x11-{75,100}dpi-fonts
+</A><A NAME="8713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01318246045- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008721.html">[Mageia-dev] problem with build system?
+</A><A NAME="8721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318246045-01318246434- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008722.html">[Mageia-dev] problem with build system?
+</A><A NAME="8722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318247820- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008723.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE screensaver blocks background GUI processing ?
+</A><A NAME="8723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01318252497- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008725.html">[Mageia-dev] Strange warnings during urpmi &quot;--auto-update -v&quot;
+</A><A NAME="8725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318252497-01318423452- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008783.html">[Mageia-dev] Strange warnings during urpmi &quot;--auto-update -v&quot;
+</A><A NAME="8783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318257659- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008726.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318257659-01318324910- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008744.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318257659-01318324910-01318416457- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008773.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318257659-01318324910-01318416457-01318778644- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008892.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318257659-01318324910-01318416457-01318778644-01318783138- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008896.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318257659-01318324910-01318416457-01318778644-01318799800- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008904.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318257659-01318324910-01318416457-01318778644-01318799800-01318803246- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008907.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318257659-01318324910-01318416457-01318778644-01318799800-01318803246-01318803798- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008908.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318257659-01318324910-01318416457-01318778644-01318836020- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008921.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318257659-01318324910-01318416457-01318778644-01318862354- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008936.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318257659-01318324910-01318416457-01318778644-01318862354-01318868255- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008939.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318257659-01318324910-01318416457-01318778644-01318862354-01318868255-01318976080- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008960.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318257659-01318324910-01318416457-01318778644-01318862354-01318868255-01318976080-01318979706- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008961.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318257659-01318324910-01318416457-01318778644-01318862354-01318868255-01318976080-01318979706-01319001417- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008964.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318257659-01318324910-01318416457-01318778644-01318862354-01318868255-01318976080-01318979706-01319001417-01319014883- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008973.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318257659-01318324910-01318416457-01318778644-01318862354-01318868255-01318976080-01318979706-01319001417-01319014883-01319038566- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008984.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318257659-01318324910-01318416457-01318778644-01318862354-01318868255-01318976080-01318979706-01319001417-01319014883-01319038566-01319039516- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008986.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA?
+</A><A NAME="8986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318261379- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008728.html">[Mageia-dev] (no subject)
+</A><A NAME="8728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>genomega
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01318265019- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008729.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tomorrow
+</A><A NAME="8729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01318265322- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008730.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [153680] Fixed the /usr/share/applications/. desktop file to make it more standard
+</A><A NAME="8730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01318267518- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008731.html">[Mageia-dev] [doc-discuss] Meeting tomorrow
+</A><A NAME="8731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01318269883- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008732.html">[Mageia-dev] vlc packages
+</A><A NAME="8732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318269883-01318523992- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008816.html">[Mageia-dev] vlc packages
+</A><A NAME="8816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318269883-01318523992-01318524084- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008817.html">[Mageia-dev] vlc packages
+</A><A NAME="8817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318269883-01318523992-01318524084-01318524184- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008818.html">[Mageia-dev] vlc packages
+</A><A NAME="8818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318269883-01318523992-01318524084-01318524184-01318529450- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008819.html">[Mageia-dev] vlc packages
+</A><A NAME="8819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318269883-01318523992-01318524084-01318524184-01318529450-01318637815- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008870.html">[Mageia-dev] vlc packages
+</A><A NAME="8870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318285882- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008733.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1047] Build less iso's
+</A><A NAME="8733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318285882-01318334141- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008757.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1047] Build less iso's
+</A><A NAME="8757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318285882-01318334141-01318337420- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008758.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1047] Build less iso's
+</A><A NAME="8758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318285882-01318334141-01318337420-01318374273- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008763.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1047] Build less iso's
+</A><A NAME="8763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318294318- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008734.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318294318-01318317844- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008735.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318294318-01318317844-01318318587- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008736.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318294318-01318317844-01318318587-01318319638- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008738.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318294318-01318317844-01318318587-01318319638-01318321437- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008740.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318294318-01318317844-01318318587-01318319638-01318321437-01318322428- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008741.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318294318-01318317844-01318318587-01318319638-01318321437-01318322428-01318324918- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008745.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318294318-01318317844-01318318587-01318319638-01318324929- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008746.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318294318-01318317844-01318318587-01318319638-01318326637- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008750.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318294318-01318317844-01318318587-01318325011- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008747.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318294318-01318317844-01318318587-01318325011-01318325911- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008748.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318294318-01318317844-01318318587-01318325011-01318325911-01318326237- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008749.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318294318-01318317844-01318318587-01318325011-01318325911-01318326237-01318326752- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008751.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318294318-01318317844-01318318587-01318325011-01318325911-01318326237-01318326752-01318327013- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008753.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318294318-01318317844-01318318587-01318325011-01318325911-01318326788- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008752.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01318294318-01318317844-01318328913- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008754.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01318294318-01318317844-01318330518- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008756.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1050] unable to read mp3 with KDE-liveCD beta2 : possible solutions
+</A><A NAME="8756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318319495- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008737.html">[Mageia-dev] TeamViewer under Cauldron x86_64
+</A><A NAME="8737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318319495-01318323843- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008742.html">[Mageia-dev] TeamViewer under Cauldron x86_64
+</A><A NAME="8742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318319495-01318323843-01318341391- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008759.html">[Mageia-dev] TeamViewer under Cauldron x86_64
+</A><A NAME="8759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01318319495-01318423297- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008782.html">[Mageia-dev] TeamViewer under Cauldron x86_64
+</A><A NAME="8782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318319495-01318423297-01318426387- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008788.html">[Mageia-dev] TeamViewer under Cauldron x86_64
+</A><A NAME="8788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318319990- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008739.html">[Mageia-dev] x11-server 1.11.0
+</A><A NAME="8739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318319990-01318329763- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008755.html">[Mageia-dev] x11-server 1.11.0
+</A><A NAME="8755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01318319990-01318358748- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008761.html">[Mageia-dev] x11-server 1.11.0
+</A><A NAME="8761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318319990-01318358748-01318423074- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008781.html">[Mageia-dev] x11-server 1.11.0
+</A><A NAME="8781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318319990-01318358748-01318423074-01318423775- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008784.html">[Mageia-dev] x11-server 1.11.0
+</A><A NAME="8784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318319990-01318358748-01318423074-01318423775-01318423923- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008786.html">[Mageia-dev] x11-server 1.11.0
+</A><A NAME="8786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318355214- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008760.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release c-icap-0.1.7-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01318368778- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008762.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenSUSE OpenQA tool
+</A><A NAME="8762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01318408753- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008764.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Distress signal for resolving issue with Drakxnet tools
+</A><A NAME="8764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318408753-01318408823- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008765.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Distress signal for resolving issue with Drakxnet tools
+</A><A NAME="8765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01318408753-01318416508- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008777.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Distress signal for resolving issue with Drakxnet tools
+</A><A NAME="8777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318413540- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008766.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Change default scanning application for hplip
+</A><A NAME="8766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318413540-01318414194- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008767.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Change default scanning application for hplip
+</A><A NAME="8767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318413540-01318414194-01318441545- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008790.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Change default scanning application for hplip
+</A><A NAME="8790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318413540-01318414194-01318441545-01318468787- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008796.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Change default scanning application for hplip
+</A><A NAME="8796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318413540-01318414194-01318441545-01318468787-01318488329- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008798.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Change default scanning application for hplip
+</A><A NAME="8798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318413540-01318414194-01318441545-01318468787-01318488329-01318497099- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008803.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Change default scanning application for hplip
+</A><A NAME="8803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318415083- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008768.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nspluginwrapper should exclude native x86_64 plugins from wrapping
+</A><A NAME="8768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318415083-01318415357- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008769.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nspluginwrapper should exclude native x86_64 plugins from wrapping
+</A><A NAME="8769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318415083-01318415357-01318415954- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008771.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nspluginwrapper should exclude native x86_64 plugins from wrapping
+</A><A NAME="8771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318415083-01318415357-01318415954-01318417627- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008776.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nspluginwrapper should exclude native x86_64 plugins from wrapping
+</A><A NAME="8776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318415491- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008770.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drupal-7.8-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318415491-01318417376- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008775.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drupal-7.8-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318415491-01318417376-01318419021- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008779.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drupal-7.8-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318415491-01318417376-01318419021-01318419693- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008780.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drupal-7.8-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318416211- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008772.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazarus for qt
+</A><A NAME="8772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joaquin Mandriva
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318416211-01318417026- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008774.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazarus for qt
+</A><A NAME="8774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318416211-01318417026-01318419409- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008778.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazarus for qt
+</A><A NAME="8778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joaquin Mandriva
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318416211-01318417026-01318419409-01318426207- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008787.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazarus for qt
+</A><A NAME="8787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318416211-01318417026-01318419409-01318583254- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008837.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazarus for qt
+</A><A NAME="8837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318416211-01318417026-01318419409-01318583254-01318614659- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008861.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazarus for qt
+</A><A NAME="8861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Olivetti
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318433962- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008789.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="8789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01318445951- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008791.html">[Mageia-dev] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !
+</A><A NAME="8791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318445951-01318447472- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008793.html">[Mageia-dev] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !
+</A><A NAME="8793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318445951-01318447472-01318600416- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008842.html">[Mageia-dev] MANDATORY READ : 7 days before misc unleashes CERBERUS !
+</A><A NAME="8842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318446058- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008792.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318446058-01318450128- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008794.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318446058-01318450128-01318482499- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008797.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318446058-01318450128-01318482499-01318497837- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008804.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318446058-01318450128-01318482499-01318497837-01318498099- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008806.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318446058-01318450128-01318482499-01318497837-01318498099-01318498402- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008808.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318446058-01318450128-01318482499-01318497837-01318498099-01318498402-01318499446- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008810.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318446058-01318450128-01318482499-01318497837-01318498099-01318498402-01318499446-01318512059- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008811.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318446058-01318450128-01318482499-01318497837-01318498099-01318498402-01318499446-01318512059-01318523396- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008814.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318446058-01318450128-01318482499-01318497837-01318498099-01318498402-01318499446-01318512059-01318523396-01318523953- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008815.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01318446058-01318450128-01318489088- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008799.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318446058-01318450128-01318489088-01318489472- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008800.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318446058-01318450128-01318489088-01318489472-01318493282- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008801.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318446058-01318450128-01318489088-01318489472-01318493282-01318495498- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008802.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318446058-01318450128-01318489088-01318489472-01318493282-01318495498-01318498083- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008805.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318446058-01318450128-01318489088-01318489472-01318493282-01318495498-01318498180- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008807.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318446058-01318450128-01318489088-01318489472-01318493282-01318495498-01318498180-01318498607- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008809.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318446058-01318450128-01318489088-01318489472-01318493282-01318495498-01318498180-01318512412- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008813.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Altizer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318446058-01318450128-01318489088-01318489472-01318493282-01318495498-01318498180-01318512412-01318602758- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008846.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318446058-01318450128-01318489088-01318489472-01318493282-01318495498-01319739201- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009163.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318446058-01318450128-01318489088-01318489472-01318493282-01318495498-01319739201-01319891904- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009195.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01318446058-01318575208- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008827.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318446058-01318575208-01318578660- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008830.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318446058-01318575208-01318578660-01318580772- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008834.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318446058-01318575208-01318578660-01318580923- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008832.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01318446058-01318575208-01318581307- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008833.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318446058-01318575208-01318581307-01318592555- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008839.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318446058-01318575208-01318581307-01318592555-01318594703- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008841.html">[Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="8841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318463150- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008795.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release akonadi-google-0.2-0.git.20110717.2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318463150-01318529629- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008820.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release akonadi-google-0.2-0.git.20110717.2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318463150-01318529629-01318781252- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008893.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release akonadi-google-0.2-0.git.20110717.2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318515682- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008812.html">[Mageia-dev] WiFi AdHoc networking
+</A><A NAME="8812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318515682-01318846795- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008932.html">[Mageia-dev] WiFi AdHoc networking
+</A><A NAME="8932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318553494- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008821.html">[Mageia-dev] check.mageia.org stalled?
+</A><A NAME="8821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318553494-01318580649- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008831.html">[Mageia-dev] check.mageia.org stalled?
+</A><A NAME="8831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318555709- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008822.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318555709-01318572058- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008823.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01318555709-01318573576- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008824.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318555709-01318573576-01318575082- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008826.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318555709-01318573576-01318575082-01318576461- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008828.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318555709-01318573576-01318575082-01318593594- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008840.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01318555709-01318574875- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008825.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318555709-01318574875-01318576980- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008829.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01318555709-01318574875-01318582518- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008835.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318555709-01318574875-01318582518-01318582828- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008836.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01318555709-01318600981- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008843.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318555709-01318600981-01318650080- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008872.html">[Mageia-dev] Add i18n-zh_tw at ml.mageia.org to bug CC list?
+</A><A NAME="8872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318588259- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008838.html">[Mageia-dev] perl 5.14.2 on its way
+</A><A NAME="8838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318588259-01318602102- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008845.html">[Mageia-dev] perl 5.14.2 on its way
+</A><A NAME="8845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318601958- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008844.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318601958-01318603015- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008848.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318601958-01318603015-01318603381- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008849.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01318601958-01318603015-01318603653- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008850.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318601958-01318603015-01318603653-01318604667- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008851.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318601958-01318603015-01318603653-01318604667-01318605901- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008853.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01318601958-01318610910- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008854.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318601958-01318610910-01318612457- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008856.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01318601958-01318613401- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008858.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318601958-01318613401-01318613908- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008859.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318601958-01318613401-01318613908-01318617209- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008862.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318601958-01318613401-01318613908-01318617209-01318617386- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008863.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318601958-01318613401-01318613908-01318617209-01318617386-01318620295- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008866.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318601958-01318613401-01318613908-01318617209-01318617386-01318620295-01318634003- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008868.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318601958-01318613401-01318613908-01318617209-01318617386-01318620295-01318634003-01318635161- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008869.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318601958-01318613401-01318613908-01318617209-01318617386-01318620295-01318634003-01318635161-01318644304- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008871.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318601958-01318613401-01318613908-01318617209-01318617386-01318620295-01318634003-01318635161-01318655051- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008873.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318601958-01318613401-01318613908-01318617209-01318617386-01318620295-01318634003-01318635161-01318655051-01318674170- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008875.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318601958-01318613401-01318613908-01318617209-01318617386-01318620295-01318634003-01318800173- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008905.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01318601958-01318613401-01318616766- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008860.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM features/issues/wishlist
+</A><A NAME="8860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318602825- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008847.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-5.14.2-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318602825-01318665144- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008874.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-5.14.2-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318618794- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008864.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 3047 Assigned confusion
+</A><A NAME="8864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318618794-01318681086- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008877.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 3047 Assigned confusion
+</A><A NAME="8877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318719689- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008879.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="8879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318719689-01318754965- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008884.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="8884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318720609- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008880.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318720609-01318731379- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008881.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318720609-01318731379-01318732694- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008882.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318720609-01318731379-01318732694-01318762843- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008885.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318720609-01318731379-01318732694-01318762843-01318773675- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008888.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318720609-01318731379-01318732694-01318762843-01318773675-01318778394- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008891.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318720609-01318731379-01318732694-01318762843-01318773675-01318778394-01318832851- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008917.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318720609-01318731379-01318732694-01318762843-01318773675-01318778394-01318832851-01319044503- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008991.html">[Mageia-dev] missing deps, lash rebuilt for texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318743919- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008883.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318743919-01318778283- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008890.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318743919-01318778283-01318782273- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008894.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318743919-01318778283-01318782273-01318782755- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008895.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318743919-01318778283-01318782273-01318782755-01318786784- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008897.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318743919-01318778283-01318782273-01318782755-01318786784-01318787746- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008898.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318743919-01318778283-01318782273-01318782755-01318786784-01318787746-01318793501- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008901.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318743919-01318778283-01318782273-01318782755-01318786784-01318787746-01318793501-01318795161- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008902.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318743919-01318778283-01318782273-01318782755-01318786784-01318787746-01318793501-01318795161-01318800378- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008906.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318743919-01318778283-01318782273-01318782755-01318786784-01318787746-01318793501-01318795161-01318800378-01318806287- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008909.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318743919-01318778283-01318782273-01318782755-01318786784-01318787746-01318793501-01318795161-01318800378-01318806287-01318811780- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008913.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318743919-01318778283-01318782273-01318782755-01318786784-01318787746-01318793501-01318795161-01318800378-01318806287-01318811780-01318836885- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008922.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318743919-01318778283-01318782273-01318782755-01318786784-01318787746-01318793501-01318795161-01318800378-01318806287-01318811780-01318836885-01318837090- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008923.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155472] added 2.14.2 sources
+</A><A NAME="8923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318763152- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008886.html">[Mageia-dev] texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Giuseppe Ghib&#242;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318763152-01318797186- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008903.html">[Mageia-dev] texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318763152-01318797186-01318853031- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008935.html">[Mageia-dev] texi2html
+</A><A NAME="8935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Giuseppe Ghib&#242;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318772802- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008887.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318772802-01318817984- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008914.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318772802-01318817984-01318821712- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008915.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01318772802-01318817984-01318822111- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008916.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318772802-01318817984-01318822111-01318840493- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008925.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joaquin Mandriva
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318772802-01318817984-01318822111-01318840493-01318842652- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008930.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gonzalo Igartua
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318772802-01318817984-01318822111-01318840493-01318848665- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008933.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01318772802-01318817984-01318863124- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008937.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318772802-01318817984-01318863124-01318973067- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008958.html">[Mageia-dev] Blogdrake repository for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318774516- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008889.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="8889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01318789285- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008899.html">[Mageia-dev] remove package in x86_64
+</A><A NAME="8899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01318791741- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008900.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtksourceview-3.2.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01318807946- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008910.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with %cmake_kde4 use
+</A><A NAME="8910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318807946-01318810754- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008911.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with %cmake_kde4 use
+</A><A NAME="8911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318807946-01318810754-01318811556- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008912.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with %cmake_kde4 use
+</A><A NAME="8912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318834422- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008918.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318834422-01318835546- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008920.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318834422-01318835546-01318840173- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008924.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318834422-01318835546-01318840173-01318841541- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008928.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318834422-01318835546-01318840173-01318841541-01318841924- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008929.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318834422-01318835546-01318840173-01318841541-01318851668- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008934.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318834422-01318835546-01318840173-01318841541-01318851668-01318890586- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008942.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318834422-01318835546-01318840173-01318841541-01318851668-01318890586-01318891160- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008944.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318834422-01318835546-01318840173-01318841541-01318851668-01318890586-01318917321- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008946.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318834422-01318835546-01318840173-01318841541-01318851668-01318890586-01318917321-01318917515- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008947.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318834422-01318835546-01318840173-01318841541-01318851668-01318890586-01318917321-01318917515-01318938073- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008949.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318834422-01318835546-01318840173-01318841541-01318851668-01318890586-01318917321-01318917515-01318938073-01318959042- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008952.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318834422-01318835546-01318840173-01318841541-01318851668-01318890586-01318917321-01318917515-01318938073-01318959042-01318966493- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008956.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318834422-01318835546-01318840173-01318841541-01318851668-01318890586-01318917321-01318917515-01318938073-01318959042-01318966493-01318973338- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008959.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318834422-01318835546-01318840173-01318841541-01318851668-01318890586-01318917321-01318917515-01318938073-01318959042-01318966493-01318973338-01319007879- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008965.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Z&#233;zinho
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318834422-01318835546-01318840173-01318841541-01318851668-01318890586-01318917321-01318917515-01318938073-01318959042-01318966493-01318973338-01319007879-01319008143- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008966.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ldetect-lst-0.1.292-2.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318835445- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008919.html">[Mageia-dev] Latest Evolution update on Cauldron - error with Google Calendar
+</A><A NAME="8919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01318845476- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008931.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Cooker] WANTED: the cyclic dependency Hell (aka Automated Bootstrapping)
+</A><A NAME="8931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01318865631- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008938.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155802] Update to fix crash #1816
+</A><A NAME="8938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318865631-01318890851- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008943.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155802] Update to fix crash #1816
+</A><A NAME="8943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318865631-01318890851-01318915149- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008945.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155802] Update to fix crash #1816
+</A><A NAME="8945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318865631-01318890851-01318915149-01318936452- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008948.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155802] Update to fix crash #1816
+</A><A NAME="8948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318869148- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008940.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tftp-5.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01318869207- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008941.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing tftp-5.0-7.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="8941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01318956512- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008950.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318956512-01318956640- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008951.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01318956512-01318959518- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008953.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318956512-01318959518-01318959782- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008954.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318956512-01318959518-01318959782-01318960064- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008955.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01318956512-01319011603- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008967.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01318956512-01319013189- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008969.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01318956512-01319060052- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008996.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318956512-01319060052-01319060569- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008998.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="8998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318956512-01319060052-01319060569-01319065670- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009001.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318956512-01319060052-01319060569-01319065670-01319109749- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009010.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318956512-01319060052-01319060569-01319065670-01319109749-01319135365- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009019.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318956512-01319060052-01319060569-01319065670-01319109749-01319135365-01319217736- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009041.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318956512-01319060052-01319060569-01319065670-01319109749-01319135365-01319217736-01319223313- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009043.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318956512-01319060052-01319060569-01319065670-01319109749-01319135365-01319217736-01319223313-01319260885- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009046.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318956512-01319060052-01319060569-01319065670-01319109749-01319135365-01319217736-01319223313-01319260885-01319286712- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009054.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318956512-01319060052-01319060569-01319065670-01319109749-01319135365-01319217736-01319223313-01319260885-01319286712-01319299934- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009065.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318956512-01319060052-01319060569-01319065670-01319109749-01319135365-01319217736-01319223313-01319260885-01319286712-01319299934-01319300569- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009066.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318956512-01319060052-01319060569-01319065670-01319109749-01319135365-01319217736-01319223313-01319260885-01319286712-01319299934-01319300569-01319303711- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009067.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318956512-01319060052-01319060569-01319065670-01319109749-01319135365-01319217736-01319223313-01319260885-01319286712-01319299934-01319300569-01319303711-01319304151- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009069.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318956512-01319060052-01319060569-01319065670-01319109749-01319135365-01319217736-01319223313-01319260885-01319286712-01319299934-01319300569-01319303711-01319304151-01319304641- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009071.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318956512-01319060052-01319060569-01319065670-01319109749-01319135365-01319217736-01319223313-01319260885-01319286712-01319299934-01319300569-01319303711-01319304493- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009070.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318956512-01319060052-01319060569-01319065670-01319109749-01319135365-01319217736-01319223313-01319260885-01319286712-01319299934-01319300569-01319303711-01319304493-01319306009- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009073.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318956512-01319060052-01319060569-01319065670-01319109749-01319135365-01319217736-01319223313-01319260885-01319286712-01319299934-01319300569-01319303711-01319304493-01319306009-01319306437- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009074.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318956512-01319060052-01319060569-01319065670-01319109749-01319135365-01319217736-01319223313-01319260885-01319286712-01319299934-01319300569-01319303711-01319304493-01319306009-01319306437-01319306973- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009075.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01318956512-01319060052-01319060569-01319065670-01319109749-01319135365-01319217736-01319223313-01319260885-01319286712-01319299934-01319300569-01319303711-01319304493-01319306009-01319306437-01319306973-01319325867- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009078.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing firmware ( was: HEADSUP: glibc-2.14.1 landing...)
+</A><A NAME="9078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01318972201- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008957.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm-debug est toujours desyncrho dans debug/core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="8957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01318992340- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008963.html">[Mageia-dev] virtualbox 4.0.14 update for Mageia 1?
+</A><A NAME="8963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01318992340-01319012901- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008968.html">[Mageia-dev] virtualbox 4.0.14 update for Mageia 1?
+</A><A NAME="8968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318992340-01319012901-01319014033- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008972.html">[Mageia-dev] virtualbox 4.0.14 update for Mageia 1?
+</A><A NAME="8972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01318992340-01319012901-01319014033-01319016168- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008977.html">[Mageia-dev] virtualbox 4.0.14 update for Mageia 1?
+</A><A NAME="8977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01318992340-01319013988- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008971.html">[Mageia-dev] virtualbox 4.0.14 update for Mageia 1?
+</A><A NAME="8971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01318992340-01319013988-01319015986- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008975.html">[Mageia-dev] virtualbox 4.0.14 update for Mageia 1?
+</A><A NAME="8975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319013590- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008970.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319013590-01319015766- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008974.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319013590-01319015766-01319015998- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008976.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01319013590-01319015766-01319015998-01319020878- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008979.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319013590-01319015766-01319015998-01319020878-01319021521- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008980.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319013590-01319015766-01319015998-01319020878-01319282788- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009048.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01319013590-01319017102- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008978.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319013590-01319017102-01319028330- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008981.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01319013590-01319017102-01319028330-01319038760- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008985.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319013590-01319017102-01319028330-01319038760-01319042139- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008989.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319013590-01319017102-01319028330-01319038760-01319042139-01319043809- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008990.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release gdm-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="8990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319030435- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008982.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="8982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319030435-01319032809- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008983.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="8983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319030435-01319032809-01319054915- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008992.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="8992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01319030435-01319032809-01319137521- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009492.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="9492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Berra
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01319030435-01319058836- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008994.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="8994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319030435-01319058836-01319069009- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009002.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="9002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319039784- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008987.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="8987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319039784-01319041055- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008988.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="8988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319056614- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008993.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="8993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319056614-01319063214- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009000.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319056614-01319063214-01319128808- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009015.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01319056614-01319063214-01319128808-01319130525- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009017.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319056614-01319063214-01319128808-01319130525-01319137975- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009022.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01319056614-01319063214-01319128919- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009016.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01319056614-01319063214-01319128919-01319130667- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009018.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319056614-01319063214-01319128919-01319130667-01319137945- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009021.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319056614-01319063214-01319128919-01319130667-01319137945-01319148720- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009024.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319056614-01319063214-01319128919-01319130667-01319137945-01319148720-01319357298- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009081.html">[Mageia-dev] require help to understand stage1/stage2/rescue source files
+</A><A NAME="9081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319059805- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008995.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="8995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319059805-01319060128- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008997.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="8997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01319059805-01319060732- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008999.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="8999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319059805-01319060732-01319085332- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009003.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01319059805-01319060732-01319085332-01319107279- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009008.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01319059805-01319091424- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009004.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01319059805-01319099185- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009005.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319059805-01319099185-01319100224- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009006.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01319059805-01319099185-01319100224-01319101533- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009007.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01319059805-01319099185-01319113473- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009012.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01319059805-01319107855- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009009.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01319059805-01319120507- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009014.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01319059805-01319138045- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009023.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bug statuses and workflow
+</A><A NAME="9023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319111671- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009011.html">[Mageia-dev] imagemagick 6.7
+</A><A NAME="9011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319111671-01319116832- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009013.html">[Mageia-dev] imagemagick 6.7
+</A><A NAME="9013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>lists.jjorge at free.fr
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319111671-01319116832-01319152817- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009025.html">[Mageia-dev] imagemagick 6.7
+</A><A NAME="9025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01319111671-01319116832-01319152817-01319175570- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009028.html">[Mageia-dev] imagemagick 6.7
+</A><A NAME="9028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319135765- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009020.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [156965] Fix for the GIF load Overflow ( https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug. cgi?id=3096 )
+</A><A NAME="9020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319135765-01319192528- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009034.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [156965] Fix for the GIF load Overflow ( https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug. cgi?id=3096 )
+</A><A NAME="9034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319153280- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009026.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="9026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319153280-01319275681- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009493.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="9493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Berra
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319153386- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009027.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319153386-01319183062- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009030.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01319153386-01319190264- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009032.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319153386-01319190264-01319190564- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009033.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01319153386-01319190264-01319190564-01319194229- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009035.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01319153386-01319196222- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009036.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319153386-01319196222-01319617533- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009125.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01319153386-01319196222-01319617533-01319890682- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009193.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319153386-01319196222-01319617533-01319890682-01319894772- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009197.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319153386-01319196222-01319617533-01319890682-01319899137- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009198.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01319153386-01319249407- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009044.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319153386-01319249407-01319288723- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009055.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01319153386-01319249407-01319288723-01319291906- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009057.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319153386-01319249407-01319288723-01319291906-01319292049- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009058.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319153386-01319249407-01319288723-01319291906-01319292049-01319292226- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009059.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319153386-01319249407-01319288723-01319291906-01319299305- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009061.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319153386-01319249407-01319288723-01319291906-01319299305-01319299420- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009063.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319153386-01319249407-01319288723-01319291906-01319299305-01319418640- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009096.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319153386-01319249407-01319288723-01319343453- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009079.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319153386-01319249407-01319288723-01319343453-01319407250- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009095.html">[Mageia-dev] IDE/SATA driver ordering [was Re: Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)]
+</A><A NAME="9095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01319153386-01319396739- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009089.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319153386-01319396739-01319391768- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009090.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01319153386-01319396739-01319391768-01319542165- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009111.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01319153386-01319396739-01319886208- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009191.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01319153386-01319909369- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009199.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test dracut (mkinitrd replacement)
+</A><A NAME="9199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319176043- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009029.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release pingus-0.7.4-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319176043-01319212083- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009039.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release pingus-0.7.4-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319189583- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009031.html">[Mageia-dev] Initscripts - Migrating to git and regenerating mdkconf.patch and further Mageia tweaks.
+</A><A NAME="9031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319189583-01319255782- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009045.html">[Mageia-dev] Initscripts - Migrating to git and regenerating mdkconf.patch and further Mageia tweaks.
+</A><A NAME="9045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319189583-01319255782-01319289052- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009056.html">[Mageia-dev] Initscripts - Migrating to git and regenerating mdkconf.patch and further Mageia tweaks.
+</A><A NAME="9056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01319189583-01319298980- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009060.html">[Mageia-dev] Initscripts - Migrating to git and regenerating mdkconf.patch and further Mageia tweaks.
+</A><A NAME="9060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319189583-01319298980-01319299363- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009062.html">[Mageia-dev] Initscripts - Migrating to git and regenerating mdkconf.patch and further Mageia tweaks.
+</A><A NAME="9062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319209186- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009037.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [157183] - new version 3.2.1
+</A><A NAME="9037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319209186-01319209323- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009038.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [157183] - new version 3.2.1
+</A><A NAME="9038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319209186-01319209323-01319216219- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009040.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [157183] - new version 3.2.1
+</A><A NAME="9040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01319209186-01319209323-01319216219-01319218477- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009042.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [157183] - new version 3.2.1
+</A><A NAME="9042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319269268- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009047.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319269268-01319283208- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009049.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01319269268-01319283247- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009050.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319269268-01319283247-01319285453- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009052.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01319269268-01319283247-01319285453-01319286560- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009053.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319269268-01319283247-01319285453-01319286560-01319367302- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009082.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319269268-01319283247-01319285453-01319286560-01319367302-01319372308- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009083.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319269268-01319283247-01319285453-01319286560-01319367302-01319372308-01319373093- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009084.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319269268-01319283247-01319285453-01319286560-01319367302-01319372308-01319373093-01319374023- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009085.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319269268-01319283247-01319285453-01319286560-01319367302-01319372308-01319373093-01319374023-01319378530- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009086.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319269268-01319283247-01319285453-01319286560-01319367302-01319372308-01319373093-01319374023-01319378530-01319379773- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009087.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319269268-01319283247-01319285453-01319286560-01319367302-01319372308-01319373093-01319374023-01319378530-01319379773-01319386576- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009088.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319269268-01319283247-01319285453-01319286560-01319367302-01319372308-01319373093-01319374023-01319378530-01319379773-01319386576-01319392462- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009091.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319269268-01319283247-01319285453-01319286560-01319367302-01319372308-01319373093-01319374023-01319378530-01319379773-01319386576-01319392462-01319406266- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009094.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319269268-01319283247-01319285453-01319286560-01319367302-01319372308-01319373093-01319374023-01319378530-01319379773-01319386576-01319392462-01319406266-01319473608- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009108.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319269268-01319283247-01319285453-01319286560-01319367302-01319372308-01319373093-01319374023-01319378530-01319379773-01319386576-01319392462-01319406266-01319473608-01319478989- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009110.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01319269268-01319605180- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009119.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319269268-01319605180-01319618721- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009127.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01319269268-01319605180-01319618721-01319640955- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009128.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matthew Dawkins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319269268-01319605180-01319618721-01319646097- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009129.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319269268-01319605180-01319618721-01319646097-01319648307- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009130.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319269268-01319605180-01319618721-01319646097-01319648307-01319659586- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009132.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319269268-01319605180-01319618721-01319646097-01319648307-01319659586-01319663520- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009136.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319269268-01319605180-01319618721-01319646097-01319648307-01319659586-01319663520-01319728240- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009155.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319269268-01319605180-01319618721-01319646097-01319648307-01319659586-01319663520-01319728240-01319728892- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009158.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319269268-01319605180-01319618721-01319646097-01319648307-01319659586-01319663520-01319728240-01319728892-01319800063- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009178.html">[Mageia-dev] E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319269268-01319605180-01319618721-01319646097-01319648307-01319659586-01319663520-01319728240-01319728892-01319800063-01319909895- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009200.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319269268-01319605180-01319618721-01319646097-01319648307-01319659586-01319663520-01319728240-01319728892-01319800063-01319909895-01320059013- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009233.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319269268-01319605180-01319618721-01319646097-01319648307-01319659586-01319663520-01319728240-01319728892-01319800063-01319909895-01320059013-01320064822- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009236.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319269268-01319605180-01319618721-01319646097-01319648307-01319659586-01319663520-01319728240-01319728892-01319800063-01319909895-01320059013-01320064822-01320073119- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009238.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319269268-01319605180-01319618721-01319646097-01319648307-01319659586-01319663520-01319728240-01319728892-01319800063-01319909895-01320059013-01320064822-01320077760- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009240.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319269268-01319605180-01319618721-01319646097-01319648307-01319659586-01319663520-01319728240-01319728892-01319800063-01319909895-01320059013-01320064822-01320077760-01320080214- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009241.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Reynes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319269268-01319605180-01319618721-01319646097-01319648307-01319659586-01319663520-01319728240-01319728892-01319800063-01319909895-01320059013-01320064822-01320077760-01320080214-01320097202- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009258.html">[Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging
+</A><A NAME="9258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319283988- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009051.html">[Mageia-dev] udev in initrd and/or using dracut (LVM root fs related)
+</A><A NAME="9051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01319299621- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009064.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319299621-01319610967- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009120.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319299621-01319610967-01319612383- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009121.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01319299621-01319610967-01319612405- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009122.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01319299621-01319610967-01319612405-01319614472- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009123.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01319299621-01319610967-01319618418- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009126.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01319299621-01319610967-01319718796- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009144.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01319299621-01319610967-01319718796-01319720875- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009145.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319299621-01319610967-01319718796-01319720875-01319723120- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009147.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319299621-01319610967-01319718796-01319720875-01319723120-01319724109- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009149.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319299621-01319610967-01319718796-01319720875-01319723120-01319724109-01319724620- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009151.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319299621-01319610967-01319718796-01319720875-01319723120-01319724109-01319724763- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009152.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319299621-01319610967-01319718796-01319720875-01319723120-01319724109-01319724763-01319926609- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009206.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319299621-01319610967-01319718796-01319720875-01319723120-01319724109-01319724763-01319926609-01319919215- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009209.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319299621-01319610967-01319718796-01319720875-01319723120-01319724109-01319724763-01319926609-01319919215-01319973986- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009217.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319299621-01319610967-01319718796-01319720875-01319723120-01319724109-01319724763-01319926609-01319919215-01319973986-01319977163- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009222.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319299621-01319610967-01319718796-01319720875-01319723120-01319724109-01319724763-01319926609-01319919215-01319973986-01319977163-01319998705- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009229.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319299621-01319610967-01319718796-01319720875-01319723120-01319724109-01319724763-01319926609-01319919215-01319973986-01319977163-01320077259- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009239.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319299621-01319610967-01319718796-01319720875-01319723120-01319724109-01319724763-01319926609-01319919215-01319973986-01319977163-01320077259-01320080760- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009242.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319299621-01319610967-01319718796-01319720875-01319723120-01319724109-01319724763-01319926609-01319919215-01319973986-01319977163-01320077259-01320080760-01320081435- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009243.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319299621-01319610967-01319718796-01319720875-01319723120-01319724109-01319724763-01319926609-01319919215-01319973986-01319977163-01320077259-01320080760-01320083256- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009244.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319299621-01319610967-01319718796-01319720875-01319723120-01319724109-01319724763-01319926609-01319919215-01319973986-01319977163-01320077259-01320080760-01320083256-01320087675- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009246.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319299621-01319610967-01319718796-01319720875-01319723120-01319724109-01319724763-01319926609-01319919215-01319973986-01319977163-01320077259-01320080760-01320083256-01320087675-01320092186- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009249.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319299621-01319610967-01319718796-01319720875-01319723120-01319724109-01319724763-01319926609-01319919215-01319973986-01319977163-01320077259-01320080760-01320083676- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009245.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319299621-01319610967-01319718796-01319720875-01319723120-01319724109-01319724763-01319926609-01319919215-01319973986-01319977163-01320077259-01320080760-01320083676-01320088525- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009247.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319299621-01319610967-01319718796-01319723788- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009148.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01319299621-01319617632- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009124.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319299621-01319617632-01319717586- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009142.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01319299621-01319617632-01319717586-01319718051- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009143.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319299621-01319617632-01319717586-01319718051-01319721048- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009146.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319299621-01319617632-01319717586-01319923826- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009204.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319299621-01319617632-01319717586-01319923826-01319914794- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009205.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319299621-01319617632-01319717586-01319923826-01319914794-01319928512- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009208.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319299621-01319617632-01319717586-01319923826-01319928175- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009207.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01319299621-01319751885- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009169.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319299621-01319751885-01319923568- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009203.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01319299621-01319751885-01319923568-01319969614- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009213.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319299621-01319751885-01319923568-01319969614-01319972583- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009216.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319304129- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009068.html">[Mageia-dev] New planning for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319304129-01319305943- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009072.html">[Mageia-dev] New planning for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01319304129-01319310635- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009076.html">[Mageia-dev] New planning for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319304129-01319310635-01319321974- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009077.html">[Mageia-dev] New planning for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319351505- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009080.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="9080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01319399956- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009092.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing...
+</A><A NAME="9092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319399956-01319402840- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009093.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319399956-01319402840-01319452357- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009100.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01319399956-01319402840-01319452357-01319466835- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009105.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319399956-01319402840-01319452357-01319466835-01319470892- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009107.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01319399956-01319402840-01319460100- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009101.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01319399956-01319402840-01319460100-01319460465- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009102.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319399956-01319402840-01319460100-01319460465-01319461243- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009103.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319399956-01319402840-01319460100-01319460465-01319461243-01319462191- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009104.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server-1.11.1 landing... or not ...
+</A><A NAME="9104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319437684- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009097.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 new schedule: string freeze vs. i18n freeze
+</A><A NAME="9097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319437684-01319439591- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009098.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 new schedule: string freeze vs. i18n freeze
+</A><A NAME="9098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319450353- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009099.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319450353-01319469489- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009106.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01319450353-01319474103- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009109.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319552456- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009112.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 nonfree/updates_testing freetype2-2.4.4-5.3.mga1.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="9112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319552456-01319552769- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009113.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 nonfree/updates_testing freetype2-2.4.4-5.3.mga1.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="9113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319552456-01319552769-01319553329- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009114.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 nonfree/updates_testing freetype2-2.4.4-5.3.mga1.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="9114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319557742- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009115.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 nonfree/updates_testing freetype2-2.4.4-5.3.mga1.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="9115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319557742-01319558192- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009116.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 nonfree/updates_testing freetype2-2.4.4-5.3.mga1.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="9116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319573284- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009117.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release util-linux-2.20.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319573284-01319586007- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009118.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release util-linux-2.20.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319573284-01319586007-01319662099- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009135.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release util-linux-2.20.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01319573284-01319586007-01319662099-01319922916- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009202.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release util-linux-2.20.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319573284-01319586007-01319662099-01319922916-01319974405- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009219.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release util-linux-2.20.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319573284-01319586007-01319662099-01319922916-01319974405-01319998263- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009228.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release util-linux-2.20.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319648425- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009131.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="9131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01319660045- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009133.html">[Mageia-dev] package removal request
+</A><A NAME="9133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lev Givon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319660045-01319660340- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009134.html">[Mageia-dev] package removal request
+</A><A NAME="9134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319664620- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009137.html">[Mageia-dev] A Polish Remix of Mageia 1 &quot;Magiczny Remix&quot; has been released!
+</A><A NAME="9137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319664620-01319671664- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009138.html">[Mageia-dev] A Polish Remix of Mageia 1 &quot;Magiczny Remix&quot; has been released!
+</A><A NAME="9138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319692330- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009139.html">[Mageia-dev] new kernel
+</A><A NAME="9139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01319701107- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009140.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release apache-commons-sandbox-parent-9-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319701107-01319701544- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009141.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release apache-commons-sandbox-parent-9-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319724157- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009150.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319724157-01319726829- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009153.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319724157-01319726829-01319727773- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009154.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01319724157-01319726829-01319727773-01319728306- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009156.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319724157-01319726829-01319727773-01319728619- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009157.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319724157-01319726829-01319727773-01319728619-01319732114- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009159.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319724157-01319726829-01319727773-01319728619-01319732114-01319733047- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009161.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319724157-01319726829-01319727773-01319728619-01319732114-01319733360- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009162.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319724157-01319726829-01319727773-01319728619-01319732114-01319733360-01319746045- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009172.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319724157-01319726829-01319727773-01319728619-01319732114-01319733360-01319746045-01319760705- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009173.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319724157-01319726829-01319727773-01319728619-01319732114-01319733360-01319746045-01319760705-01319750386- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009174.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319724157-01319726829-01319727773-01319728619-01319732114-01319733360-01319746045-01319760705-01319750386-01319762139- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009175.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319724157-01319726829-01319727773-01319728619-01319732346- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009160.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319724157-01319726829-01319727773-01319728619-01319732346-01319750963- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009168.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319747770- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009164.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [158743] Apply P0
+</A><A NAME="9164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319747770-01319748592- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009165.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [158743] Apply P0
+</A><A NAME="9165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01319747770-01319748621- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009166.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [158743] Apply P0
+</A><A NAME="9166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319747770-01319748621-01319748816- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009167.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [158743] Apply P0
+</A><A NAME="9167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01319747770-01319748621-01319756225- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009170.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [158743] Apply P0
+</A><A NAME="9170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01319747770-01319748621-01319756225-01319746468- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009171.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [158743] Apply P0
+</A><A NAME="9171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319780520- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009176.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 2157 - Switch to &quot;standard&quot; rpm metadata for package repositories in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01319785367- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009177.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01319818638- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009179.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319818638-01319821634- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009183.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319818638-01319821634-01319835931- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009186.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01319818638-01319821634-01319837566- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009189.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01319818638-01319821634-01319837566-01319845083- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009190.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01319818638-01319824892- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009184.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01319818638-01319835982- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009187.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319818638-01319835982-01319882924- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009192.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01319818638-01319890914- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009194.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="9194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319819198- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009180.html">[Mageia-dev] Window Maker is alive
+</A><A NAME="9180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319819198-01319820479- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009181.html">[Mageia-dev] Window Maker is alive
+</A><A NAME="9181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319819198-01319820479-01319820859- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009182.html">[Mageia-dev] Window Maker is alive
+</A><A NAME="9182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319829113- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009185.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-data-server-3.3.1.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319829113-01319837512- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009188.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-data-server-3.3.1.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319892224- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009196.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING to users with LVM drives.
+</A><A NAME="9196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01319922425- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009201.html">[Mageia-dev] Strange warning when building ascii
+</A><A NAME="9201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319922425-01319961269- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009210.html">[Mageia-dev] Strange warning when building ascii
+</A><A NAME="9210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319922425-01319961269-01319968543- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009212.html">[Mageia-dev] Strange warning when building ascii
+</A><A NAME="9212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319967525- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009211.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319967525-01319970432- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009214.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01319967525-01319974166- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009218.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319967525-01319974166-01319975529- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009220.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01319967525-01319974166-01319975529-01319976983- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009221.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319967525-01319974166-01319975529-01319976983-01319977658- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009223.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01319967525-01319974166-01319975529-01319976983-01319977658-01319978686- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009224.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01319967525-01319978860- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009225.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01319967525-01319978860-01319981849- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009226.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev] mageia 2 and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01319971486- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009215.html">[Mageia-dev] specifications for mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01319992791- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009227.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron not boot and all services will not boot after systemd migration
+</A><A NAME="9227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01319992791-01320010471- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009230.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron not boot and all services will not boot after systemd migration
+</A><A NAME="9230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320041577- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009231.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating ruby to 1.9.3?
+</A><A NAME="9231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320041577-01320045966- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009232.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating ruby to 1.9.3?
+</A><A NAME="9232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01320041577-01320059356- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009234.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating ruby to 1.9.3?
+</A><A NAME="9234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01320041577-01320070584- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009237.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating ruby to 1.9.3?
+</A><A NAME="9237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320063415- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009235.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320063415-01320089834- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009248.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320063415-01320089834-01320092353- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009250.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01320063415-01320089834-01320092353-01320092626- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009251.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320063415-01320089834-01320092353-01320092626-01320093244- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009252.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320063415-01320089834-01320092353-01320092626-01320093244-01320094559- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009253.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320063415-01320089834-01320092353-01320092626-01320093244-01320094559-01320095185- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009254.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320063415-01320089834-01320092353-01320092626-01320093244-01320094559-01320095185-01320095382- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009255.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320063415-01320089834-01320092353-01320092626-01320093244-01320094559-01320095185-01320095569- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009256.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320063415-01320089834-01320092353-01320092626-01320093244-01320094559-01320095185-01320095569-01320095646- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009257.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320063415-01320089834-01320092353-01320092626-01320093244-01320094559-01320095185-01320097496- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009259.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320063415-01320089834-01320092353-01320092626-01320093244-01320094559-01320095185-01320097496-01320099367- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009261.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320063415-01320089834-01320092353-01320092626-01320093244-01320094559-01320095185-01320098442- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009260.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Mon Oct 31 23:16:07 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri Nov 11 22:10:36 CET 2011</i>
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