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Otherwise, we should all be using OpenOffice.org 1.0.1. -- +</I>><i> security issues set aside. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> And I see no reason why it would be in favor of doing a bug fix update +</I>>><i> rather than a backport, especially if we ask to do a more stringent QA +</I>>><i> checking on updates, as it would put too much work on the team. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Because Mageia (and Mandriva)'s vision of the concept of "backports" is not +</I>><i> compatible with my common-sense. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I have not used Mandriva very much in the past, because I hate the concept of +</I>><i> "backports" -- yes, Ubuntu does them too, but Ubuntu backports are totally +</I>><i> unsupported, so you can imagine their "quality"... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'd rather stick to "updates" -- this is also the reason I stopped using +</I>><i> Debian, because the morons (yes, morons) were only pushing tzdata updates +</I>><i> in "volatile", not in "updates", whereas ALL the other distro weres pushing +</I>><i> tzdata updates in "updates". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If Mageia considers that a 6-7 months old package (for an application that +</I>><i> released 32 times in the meantime) only deserves updates in "backports", +</I>><i> then I will probably stop reporting any possible bugs with this distro +</I>><i> -- as a protest. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It is indeed a matter of principle. I am personally using the latest +</I>><i> calibre installed in /opt, not the official one, but again, it's a +</I>><i> matter of principle. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Whatever is important and comes from upstream should go into updates IMHO. +</I>><i> Backports, in my view, only make sense if they're coming from Release N+1 +</I>><i> *and* if they represent a major version bump -- such as FF4 over FF3.6, etc. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> WRT calibre, Fedora has a simple way: it keeps a newer calibre packages in +</I>><i> updates/testing for 1 week, and if no user complains about regressions, it +</I>><i> goes into updates. This is because calibre is a "leaf" package -- no other +</I>><i> package depends on it, so it only impacts those who are using it. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Again, that's not a criteria. Every software is important to at least +</I>>><i> one person, and that would mean we should update everything if we start +</I>>><i> to update everything important to one group of users. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I can see how important is calibre to Mageia users. Nobody noticed or cared +</I>><i> that it is an antiquated version. They could have as well used notepad.exe +</I>><i> from Win95. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> And for what it is worth, Fedora is discussing having separate update +</I>>><i> and backport ( <A HREF="https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/515">https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/515</A> ), even if the +</I>>><i> discussion seems to be going nowhere at the moment +</I>><i> +</I>><i> BS. I hope Fedora *never* uses backports! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Their update policy is very clear *and* flexible: +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Please note these: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> "Exceptions: Some classes of software will not fit in these guidelines. +</I>><i> If your package does not fit in one of the classes below, but you think +</I>><i> it should be allowed to update more rapidly . . . +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Things that would make it more likely to grant a request: +</I>><i> -- The package is a "leaf" node. Nothing depends on it or requires it." +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Calibre is a "leaf" package. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If not, in the same document: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> "All other updates must either: +</I>><i> -- reach the criteria laid out in the previous section OR +</I>><i> -- reach the positive Bodhi karma threshold specified by the updates submitter OR +</I>><i> -- spend some minimum amount of time in updates-testing, currently one week." +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I am not sure why F15 stopped updating calibre to 0.8.0 in updates (Rawhide went +</I>><i> up to 0.8.4, maybe 0.8.5 now), but for the versions up to and including 0.8.0, +</I>><i> here's the dynamics of the updates: +</I>><i> +</I>... +><i> Indeed, Mageia does not have the number of packagers that Fedora has. +</I>><i> However, if Mageia's _policy_ is to rather have 6-7 months old versions in +</I>><i> updates, I should probably realize that Mageia is not for me. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> No, I have not, and never will use any repository called "backports". When a +</I>><i> newer stable release of a distro is available, I should update to it if +</I>><i> updates I need are not pushed into Release N-1 "updates" (even if that release +</I>><i> is officially still supported with security patches), but again, "backports" +</I>><i> as Mandriva and Mageia are seeing them -- i.e. backporting +</I>><i> from Cooker/Cauldron, not from "updates/testing" nor from "Release N+1" +</I>><i> -- does not fit my Zen. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> R-C +</I> +In my mind you make an excellent case for upgrading this application from upstream, and installing +under /opt, as you say you do already. +Which I do for Mozilla Seamonkey, for example, because of relatively frequent updates. (In that +case I also apply some personal patches, but that is another question.) +It is appropriate to report bugs for the application upstream. The fixes will trickle down to Mageia. +Just because you use Mageia (or any other distro) doesn't mean you can't install 3rd party +applications. Although certainly it is preferable that most are packaged in Mageia. + +Which brings up another point. Considering your concern for the application, maybe you would like +to package it for Mageia. You could ensure that it is always up to date, and that it works +properly, and is properly supported. (The packager is a key player in support.) +Just because it is called a backport doesn't mean that it won't work. +The packager mentoring program will help you get started :) + +-- +André +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005644.html">[Mageia-dev] Question about backports: calibre (bug 1659) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005737.html">[Mageia-dev] Question about backports: calibre (bug 1659) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5734">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5734">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5734">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5734">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |