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"this" or "that" +</I>><i> > > > package would have been available too... and so on.... +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > Yes, there will be. +</I>><i> > > So let's be realist, 9 months with +/- 1 month is just 10 months + +</I>><i> > > people complaining to have 10,5 months. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > We will never use the -1 month, because there will always be something +</I>><i> > > worth waiting. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > actually, the real reason would be more to plan for whatever features +</I>><i> > you're going to implement and the time it takes to do them. if that's 8 +</I>><i> > months, it's 8 months, if that's 9 or 10months, that's what it is. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> See my answer to wobo. +</I> +i did read that, that's partly a reason why i'm saying this. I think with the +proper whips things get in order, as we did, and i'm sure that no matter what +the eventual planning will be (in no matter what project), whippings will +always be needed, or the said project will never finish at all... + +so imho an 8month planning could be possible, or a 7.5month planning. it's +just that whatever the planning, we should follow it. (pending +release_critical of course) + +><i> > We proved that we can take a planning and follow it through, even the +</I>><i> > last release_critical one was solved _just_in_time_... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I still think the codecs stuff should not have been release_critical, as +</I>><i> we could do the update later. +</I> +that is true, but i still think that would be bad, as: +A) there is still no update afaik (and there have been reviews) +B) even when updates is there, to properly solve it, it also still need some +work + +and eventually, those tainted stuff would likely take 3months or more. + +i'm pretty sure some people who review will likely play mp3s... + +but ok, that's passed now (but we still need to solve it the right way, let's +not forget this). + +><i> > imho, we need to decide now on a sort of 9month period, look at what +</I>><i> > we're going to do, then estimating how long it takes (with enough +</I>><i> > lenience), then make a real planning for that, and stick to it, if +</I>><i> > features are not ready, drop those features for next release, and make +</I>><i> > sure to fix all the release_criticals. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Great, so can you start by telling how long it will take for the feature +</I>><i> you plan to work on ? +</I> +tbh, in my dayjob, that's often required of me to make an estimation. and if +we ARE going down that route, then of course i will do it. if you can't even +try an estimation for the things that you want to do, will you even start +doing them... + +fwiw, i think that 1month before freeze time, it's really clear which features +will get there in time and which won't. + +as an example; i knew right of the bat, that the maintainer db would not be +ready, and iinm i did warn about that. ok, it's not critical, but it would +still be very usefull. + +if we have a proper version control environment, it should be easy to drop +feature that aren't going to be in time, and are postponed for next release... + +in any case, let us know at the end if an estimation is required, and i'll +gladly do that +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005577.html">[Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005532.html">[Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5657">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5657">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5657">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5657">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |