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Otherwise, we should all be using OpenOffice.org 1.0.1. -- +security issues set aside. + +><i> And I see no reason why it would be in favor of doing a bug fix update +</I>><i> rather than a backport, especially if we ask to do a more stringent QA +</I>><i> checking on updates, as it would put too much work on the team. +</I> +Because Mageia (and Mandriva)'s vision of the concept of "backports" is not +compatible with my common-sense. + +I have not used Mandriva very much in the past, because I hate the concept of +"backports" -- yes, Ubuntu does them too, but Ubuntu backports are totally +unsupported, so you can imagine their "quality"... + +I'd rather stick to "updates" -- this is also the reason I stopped using +Debian, because the morons (yes, morons) were only pushing tzdata updates +in "volatile", not in "updates", whereas ALL the other distro weres pushing +tzdata updates in "updates". + +If Mageia considers that a 6-7 months old package (for an application that +released 32 times in the meantime) only deserves updates in "backports", +then I will probably stop reporting any possible bugs with this distro +-- as a protest. + +It is indeed a matter of principle. I am personally using the latest +calibre installed in /opt, not the official one, but again, it's a +matter of principle. + + +Whatever is important and comes from upstream  should go into updates IMHO. +Backports, in my view, only make sense if they're  coming from Release N+1 +*and* if they represent a major version bump -- such as FF4 over FF3.6, etc. + + +WRT calibre, Fedora has a simple way: it keeps a newer calibre packages in +updates/testing for 1 week, and if no user complains about regressions, it +goes into updates. This is because calibre is a "leaf" package -- no other +package depends on it, so it only impacts those who are using it. + +><i> Again, that's not a criteria. Every software is important to at least +</I>><i> one person, and that would mean we should update everything if we start +</I>><i> to update everything important to one group of users. +</I> +I can see how important is calibre to Mageia users. Nobody noticed or cared +that it is an antiquated version. They could have as well used notepad.exe +from Win95. + + +><i> And for what it is worth, Fedora is discussing having separate update +</I>><i> and backport ( <A HREF="https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/515">https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/515</A> ), even if the +</I>><i> discussion seems to be going nowhere at the moment +</I> +BS. I hope Fedora *never* uses backports! + +Their update policy is very clear *and* flexible: +<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy</A> + +Please note these: + +"Exceptions: Some classes of software will not fit in these guidelines. +If your package does not fit in one of the classes below, but you think +it should be allowed to update more rapidly . . . + + +Things that would make it more likely to grant a request: +--  The package is a "leaf" node. Nothing depends on it or requires it." + +Calibre is a "leaf" package. + +If not, in the same document: + +"All other updates must either: +-- reach the criteria laid out in the previous section OR +-- reach the positive Bodhi karma threshold specified by the updates submitter OR +-- spend some minimum amount of time in updates-testing, currently one week." + +I am not sure why F15 stopped updating calibre to 0.8.0 in updates (Rawhide went +up to 0.8.4, maybe 0.8.5 now), but for the versions up to and including 0.8.0, +here's the dynamics of the updates: + +ChangeLog: + +* Fri May 6 2011 Kevin Fenzi <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">kevin at xxxxxxxxx</A>> - 0.8.0-1 +- Update to 0.8.0 +* Wed May 4 2011 Dan HorÃak <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dan at xxxxxxxx</A>> - 0.7.59-2 +- rebuilt against podofo 0.9.1 +* Sat Apr 30 2011 Kevin Fenzi <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">kevin at xxxxxxxxx</A>> - 0.7.59-1 +- Update to 0.7.59 +* Fri Apr 22 2011 Kevin Fenzi <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">kevin at xxxxxxxxx</A>> - 0.7.57-1 +- Update to 0.7.57 + +(F15 was released with 0.7.56) + + +Indeed, Mageia does not have the number of packagers that Fedora has. +However, if Mageia's _policy_ is to rather have 6-7 months old versions in +updates, I should probably realize that Mageia is not for me. + +No, I have not, and never will use any repository called "backports". When a +newer stable  release of a distro is available, I should update to it if +updates I need are not pushed into Release N-1 "updates" (even if that release +is officially still supported with security patches), but again, "backports" +as Mandriva and Mageia are seeing them -- i.e. backporting +from  Cooker/Cauldron, not from "updates/testing" nor from "Release N+1" +-- does not fit my Zen. + +R-C +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005615.html">[Mageia-dev] Question about backports: calibre (bug 1659) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005642.html">[Mageia-dev] Question about backports: calibre (bug 1659) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5638">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5638">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5638">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5638">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |