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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Ahmad Samir at 08/06/11 22:48 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 8 June 2011 23:38, Stew Benedict &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stewbintn at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 06/08/2011 05:31 PM, Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le mercredi 08 juin 2011 &#224; 19:48 +0300, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 8 June 2011 18:44, Michael Scherer&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le mercredi 08 juin 2011 &#224; 10:40 +0200, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We have some stuff to complete here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=security">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=security</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=security">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=security</A>&gt;Can we spend the 2 or 3
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> coming
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> days to finalize it and start updates submits?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Pascal is working on this.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So here is a proposal :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - anybody can submit a package to updates_testing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - once submitted to testing, it should ask to QA to test, along with :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - a reason for the update ( likely bug number )
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - potentially a priority ( ie, if this is just a translation update or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a urgent 0 day exploit )
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - a way to test the bug and see it is fixed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - text for the update
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - qa validate the update ( with process to define )
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - someone move the package from updates_testing to testing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Isn't it cleaner to rebuild when submitting to */updates? instead of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> moving.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Well, that depend on the way package is built. In fact, it should not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> matter much, as we should not do a change that could break a existing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> software in update, and so this should be the same in updates_testing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ( ie, they should be the same wrto ABI )
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But that's also why I ask here :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you're going to rebuild *after* QA, you've just invalidated your QA.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (yeah, I know it *should* be the same, but stuff happens)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You're right (even if that's never happened for 3-4 years in mdv,
+</I>&gt;<i> since sec team rebuilt the packages when pushing to */updates IIRC).
+</I>
+
+Personally, and this might just be me, I always submit my packages to
+*testing with a subrel of 0.1, 0.2 0.3 etc etc. Users then test my
+various iterations. When I'm happy and when it's ready to pass to QA, I
+set the subrel to 1. This way the final version that should hit updates
+is nice and neat.
+
+In an ideal world, QA would validate it for me then change the subrel
+for me. That process would require a rebuild.
+
+I'm not sure what others feel about this? It's not impossible to just do
+this as a matter of course as part of the process we go through and
+increment subrel to a round number before handing over to QA... although
+maybe I'm just a bit too anal about neat version numbers :p
+
+Col
+
+
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
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