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I believe we will be able to concentrate our resources better +</I>>><i> by going along with the rest of the world in this regard. I have +</I>>><i> personally switched to it now (as I do not need advanced features of +</I>>><i> draknetcenter et al) as a step towards this. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> err... drakx-net's code is heavily used by other tools such as: +</I>><i> - drakx-installer +</I>><i> - mgaonline +</I>><i> - ... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So I think we still want to keep drakx-net +</I> +Perhaps, but then a more interesting question is "what bits of drakx-net +are used in mgaonline and drax-installer?" Just stating that they are +used there as a reason to keep it isn't really a good argument IMO. + +Asbestos is used in fire retardant wall insulation, but it's not a good +argument to keep it considering the world has moved on and we now know +the dangers of working with that material. + + +So what does mgaonline need to work with drakx-net? Does it just need to +know if you are online or not? If so why not use NM's dbus service to do +that? It could eventually know whether you are on a paid/metered +connection (this is not yet supported by NM but there has been some talk +about it) or a "free" connection - a fast vs. slow connection etc. It +could make intelligent, informed decisions, not just "is the user online +- no matter how crappily?" + +Then of course the wider question... should mgaonline be deprecated in +favour of more integrated options suck as package-kit? Should we focus +resources on that? This is IMO a more open question, even if I do feel +the writing is ultimately on the wall here too. + +I'd very much like to use much more standard things. I think some of the +mdv tools were differentiators in the past but those days are pretty +much slipping by. Some of the tools are still best of bread, but things +like network management and handling updates etc. is perhaps something +that has no progressed to the stage that us having independent update +mechanisms is a hindrance to users rather than a benefit. + +It's all too easy to get stuck in a rut and get emotionally attached to +such things (I do it all the time in my day job) but sometimes it helps +to look at things from a slightly detached view point. + +Cheers + +Col + + +-- + +Colin Guthrie +mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie +<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A> + +Day Job: + Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>] +Open Source: + Mageia Contributor [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>] + PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>] + Trac Hacker [<A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>] +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="007432.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Deprecate draknetcenter+network init scripts after systemd becomes default. +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="007454.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Deprecate draknetcenter+network init scripts after systemd becomes default. +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#7443">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#7443">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#7443">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#7443">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |