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This makes it hard to +</I>><i> >> maintain, and to improve. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > That's just your own POV. +</I>><i> > Not the POV of maintainers. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Are there other maintainers for this tool than it's creators or +</I>><i> long-time maintainers? This is not only my POV, but also what I have +</I>><i> heard from a variety of people since the time I participate a little. +</I>><i> Anyway... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> >> I know it works fine for several people. Personally, I am often having +</I>><i> >> issues because it's disconnects on it's own, +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > This has nothing to do with drakconnect that don't handle that. +</I>><i> > If the network disconnected, that's the issue between the routers, +</I>><i> > the network, the kernel, .... +</I>><i> > and no longer sees any networks when it should. +</I>><i> > which points to either network issue or kernel driver issue, not +</I>><i> > drakconnect. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Other people not using Mageia do not get as often disconnected as me +</I>><i> when using public hotspots. +</I> +Sure, this should be investigated, however it could be due to things besides +the network GUI tools etc. For example, if using wpa_supplicant, once you have +selected a wireless network, the Mandriva tools do virtually nothing. + +BTW., I notice (from wpa_gui, *not* net_applet, and even without net_applet +running) that my machine re-associates to our WPA2-Enterprise network more +frequently than other operating systems. + +><i> Mageia wireless tools seem to have more +</I>><i> difficulty to connect and keep the connections to hotspots that have a +</I>><i> low (not bad, low) quality signal, while Windows keeps connected, or, +</I>><i> quickly reconnects automatically. +</I> +These symptoms don't appear to be related to which GUI tool configures +wpa_supplicant, but rather points to wpa_supplicant or driver/firmware +problems. + +><i> Meanwhile, I have to reconnect manually and, more frustrating, it seems +</I>><i> the wireless utility sometime attempts to reconnect automatically, but I +</I>><i> can't clearly know. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The other bizarre thing I often see is when the hotspots he sees fall +</I>><i> from 35 to 0 (or 1, the hotspot he's tryign to connect). This is not +</I>><i> normal, I have not observed this NM, Windows or Mac OS X tools. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> >> Then it has difficulty reconnecting. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Same, reconnecting is the job of dhcp-client, ifplugd and the like. +</I>><i> > Not drakconnect's job. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I can't tell. I can only observe and I do not invent what I describe +</I>><i> (and have already described in the past). :-) +</I> +You could investigate by connecting manaully (iwconfig, wpa_cli, wpa_gui etc.) +and report whether doing so solves your problems. If not, you are blaming the +wrong thing. + +><i> >> Windows, Fedora and Ubuntu's wireless tools work absolutely smoothly at +</I>><i> >> my school. And now, other people testing Mageia as school are having +</I>><i> >> the same issues I have. This is frustrating and I can assure you these +</I>><i> >> home-made network tools have to be improved and fixed. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Well, Fedora tool (really NM) has its own bugs. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> True. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > And I'm pretty sure people who've used MS, Apple or whatever OS/tool +</I>><i> > they're used to, have also encountered issues +</I>><i> +</I>><i> True. But these issues are less evident to find apparently, and do not +</I>><i> affect that much user experience. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> When a user wants to connect to a wireless hotspot, he should just click +</I>><i> connect, enter his IDs and it should work fluently. +</I> +This works for me (except I don't want my Single-Sign-On password in a clear- +text configuration file, but it seems no distro has fixed all the issues with +this yet). + +><i> If it is often the +</I>><i> case with Mageia tools with a personal hotspot and when you're next to +</I>><i> it, it is not always the case when you use it everyday, and, sadly, +</I>><i> other tools do better and have a more stable and smooth wireless +</I>><i> connectivity, even if they also encournter issues. Their issues are not +</I>><i> that much affecting user experience like the ones I have described. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> >> If you want to, I can attempt to make a list of the isses and +</I>><i> >> incoherencies I find, although they are not hard to see. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Indeed, please just fill in _several_ bugs (one report per issue) +</I>><i> > against drakx-net +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I will do one report for each issue I find in drakxnet, with as much +</I>><i> details as possible, yes. I shall also do a video capture of the issue +</I>><i> if it can help. +</I> +I would rather spend the time testing whether the behaviour is the same +without e.g. net_applet. Videos showing nothing that can help find the problem +is just a waste of time. + +><i> this will take me a lot of time, but I will do it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> >> But as I mentionned earlier, this +</I>><i> >> is a tool that is hard to maintain, and I cannot learn perl right now. +</I> +Who says your issues are in this tool? + +><i> > +</I>><i> > That's just _your_ personnal though, not his maintainer's. +</I>><i> > aka "this is a tool that is hard to maintain" really means "you would not +</I>><i> > be able to maintain it" +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Right. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> >> If NetworkManager is easier to maintain and works fine, then I think it +</I>><i> >> can be a better solution. Just offering or trying to find solutions, +</I>><i> >> because this tool seriously does not work properly here. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > it has its own flaws too... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, but it does not confuses itself with it's own configuration files. +</I> +Hmm, you mean wpa_supplicant.conf? That's not net_applet's own configuration +file ... but configuring wpa_supplicant via dbus or the unix socket may be +better. + +><i> Clearly, all programs can have flaws, but sincerely, it is not working +</I>><i> well in Mageia and is not pleasant to use. Otherwise I would not report +</I>><i> again about it. ;-) +</I> +But, please investigate *what* pieces of Mageia are at fault, it seems you +have assumed that anything to do with any network issue at all, regardless of +whether it is the AP, the device, the firmware, driver, kernel, supplicant, or +GUI, is due to the net_applet and associated tools. + +Regards, +Buchan +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="007188.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakxnet, drakroam and Draknetcenter : let's fix it or throw it. +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="007158.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakxnet, drakroam and Draknetcenter : let's fix it or throw it. +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#7190">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#7190">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#7190">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#7190">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |