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+<PRE>Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 16 October 2010 17:31, Marc Par&#233;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 2010-10-16 02:56, Luca Berra a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 10:00:14PM -0500, Fernando Parra wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The basic/novice user doesn't read anything,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> remove basic/novice from the sentence and i will agree ;)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> doesn't request anything to some like a bugzilla,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but give him a forum and he probably will
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This statement I totally agree with! If a user is told to submit in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bugzilla, I find that they will not do it. Reporting to bugzilla for a user,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is one more level of serious commitment on their part and most will not want
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to commit themselves to it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However, if they can report to a forum, this is different. Users view forums
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as community involvement with community feedback. They may be ask to test
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> out the problem and report back on the result (just like in bugzilla) but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> they know that other community members will be there to lend a hand and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> support.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And other community members are there in bugzilla to to lend a hand
+</I>&gt;<i> and support (although a bit different kind of support as bugzilla's
+</I>&gt;<i> have stricter rules, more organised).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If we are going to be really interested in quashing bugs with a lot of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> community involvement, IMHO, I think that we should offer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -- bugzilla for the enthused and commited users. These people are interested
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on reporting bugs the right way and will replicated and help in debugging.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -- but for ordinary users, we could offer them a &quot;Report a bug&quot; forum where
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> they can report a bug; the community could then replicated the bug; have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Bug-ambassador&quot; or &quot;bug-reporter&quot; or .... who could then submit it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> officially on bugzilla. Tracking of that particular bug could then be the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> responsibility of the &quot;Bug-ambassador&quot;; once the bug is quashed, the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Bug-ambassador&quot; could report back to the &quot;Report a bug&quot; forum of the bug
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fix and thank the community for their help. This would help validate the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> user who reported the bug and make him/her feel like a part of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> contributing team.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IMHO, this would work a lot better for the majority of users who do not want
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to commit to any more than reporting the bug; the devs would get a more
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> constant stream of bug submissions by &quot;Bug-ambassadors&quot; who are able to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> triage submitted bugs on the forum.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Doing it this way would still make bugzilla the only place where devs would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> go to pick up bug information and the &quot;Bug-ambassadors&quot; would be the people
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> who triage the bugs at the forum level.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Backport requests are a special case as they're usually a 2-line
+</I>&gt;<i> report &quot;hey, could you backport the latest version of package foo to
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;stable release I am running&gt;?&quot;, so basically anyone can do it, either
+</I>&gt;<i> the user or someone on his behalf.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But generally reporting bugs by proxy is always a bad idea, unless the
+</I>&gt;<i> guy who'll play middle-man can reproduce the exact same bug on his own
+</I>&gt;<i> box. You see, triage team / package maintainer / dev will ask for info
+</I>&gt;<i> about the bug, more than once depending on the bug itself; now Mr.
+</I>&gt;<i> middle-man will have to go to and fro a lot of times, taking info from
+</I>&gt;<i> the user and posting it in bugzilla then taking questions/info from
+</I>&gt;<i> the bugzilla and conveying it to the user; now that's a tedious and
+</I>&gt;<i> tiresome job that's very prone to failure. (it's like a friend being
+</I>&gt;<i> sick and instead of him going to the doctor he sends you on his behalf
+</I>&gt;<i> because &quot;you know the symptoms&quot; :)).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Good analogy :)
+It's like an accellerated version of &quot;pass a message to the person to
+the left in the circle&quot;. By the time it completes the circle and comes
+back (to the right), the original message is unrecognisable.
+&gt;<i> It's much better to help the user formulate a useful bug report,
+</I>&gt;<i> that's easier / more productive for all involved parties.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>True. Even the most na&#239;ve user can produce a good bug report with some
+help, if they are willing to put in some effort. A thank you email
+would be a nice touch, especially for challenged users. (I forget if
+Bugzilla already acknowleges bug reports.)
+
+The critical part is the ability to directly contact the user with the
+problem. For Bugzilla, you have to log in, so there is an email adresse
+for contact. And this is generally the case for forums. If we use a
+forum for submitting bugs, we need the same login so that Bugzilla has a
+contact email available. This is doable, and would also be more
+convenient for all contributors.
+Of course, there is still the barrier of getting the user to sign up for
+an account ... :)
+
+Another possibility is to have a Bugzilla assistant on the desktop,
+where the user is asked to describe the problem, give an email adresse,
+which is sent to Bugzilla.
+
+The approach of OpenOffice (official) could always be used for crashes.
+A bug report page opens as OpenOffice restarts automatically on a crash.
+Relevent info has already been gathered, viewable on a sub-page.
+The user is asked to optionally describe what he was doing, and is
+invited to optionally enter their email adresse if there are furthur
+questions (and informed that it will only be used for the purposes of
+the bug in question).
+And if the user provides an email adresse, they receive a thank you
+email with the bug tracking number.
+Very easy, and probably provides as much info as the average bugzilla
+report.
+Of course, only useful when a program crashes, where it can be
+automatically sensed that there is a problem. And it will produce a lot
+of duplicate bug reports, evidently.
+
+my 2 cents :)
+
+- Andr&#233; (andre999)
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+ <B>Buchan Milne</B>
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+<PRE>On Wednesday, 20 October 2010 15:11:42 andr&#233; wrote:
+&gt;<i> The critical part is the ability to directly contact the user with the
+</I>&gt;<i> problem. For Bugzilla, you have to log in, so there is an email adresse
+</I>&gt;<i> for contact. And this is generally the case for forums. If we use a
+</I>&gt;<i> forum for submitting bugs, we need the same login so that Bugzilla has a
+</I>&gt;<i> contact email available. This is doable, and would also be more
+</I>&gt;<i> convenient for all contributors.
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, there is still the barrier of getting the user to sign up for
+</I>&gt;<i> an account ... :)
+</I>
+We aim to solve this by using a single backend for as many of the tools
+available to users, at minimum:
+-forum
+-bug tracker
+-mailing list subscription management
+
+Hopefully also:
+-wiki
+-blogs
+
+If we develop other web apps, e.g. one for browsing packages etc. (for both
+packagers and users, integrating the type of information that was available
+for Mandriva at maint.mandriva.com, youri.zarb.org/demo/mandriva, build system
+output etc.), most likely it will use the same account infrastructure.
+
+I would also look at other SSO technologies (e.g. OpenID) running on this
+backend to possibly allow Mageia identities to be used for authenticating to
+other (e.g. upstream) projects.
+
+See some more info at <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=directory">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=directory</A>
+
+I have finished some of the work that was holding this up, so we may be able
+to make this available in a week or two.
+
+Regards,
+Buchan
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+<PRE>On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:11, andr&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+[snip!]
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Good analogy :)
+</I>&gt;<i> It's like an accellerated version of &quot;pass a message to the person to the
+</I>&gt;<i> left in the circle&quot;. &#160;By the time it completes the circle and comes back (to
+</I>&gt;<i> the right), the original message is unrecognisable.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's much better to help the user formulate a useful bug report,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that's easier / more productive for all involved parties.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> True. &#160;Even the most na&#239;ve user can produce a good bug report with some
+</I>&gt;<i> help, if they are willing to put in some effort. &#160;A thank you email would be
+</I>&gt;<i> a nice touch, especially for challenged users. &#160;(I forget if Bugzilla
+</I>&gt;<i> already acknowleges bug reports.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The critical part is the ability to directly contact the user with the
+</I>&gt;<i> problem. &#160;For Bugzilla, you have to log in, so there is an email adresse for
+</I>&gt;<i> contact. &#160;And this is generally the case for forums. &#160;If we use a forum for
+</I>&gt;<i> submitting bugs, we need the same login so that Bugzilla has a contact email
+</I>&gt;<i> available. &#160;This is doable, and would also be more convenient for all
+</I>&gt;<i> contributors.
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, there is still the barrier of getting the user to sign up for an
+</I>&gt;<i> account ... :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Another possibility is to have a Bugzilla assistant on the desktop, where
+</I>&gt;<i> the user is asked to describe the problem, give an email adresse, which is
+</I>&gt;<i> sent to Bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The approach of OpenOffice (official) could always be used for crashes.
+</I>&gt;<i> A bug report page opens as OpenOffice restarts automatically on a crash.
+</I>&gt;<i> Relevent info has already been gathered, viewable on a sub-page.
+</I>&gt;<i> The user is asked to optionally describe what he was doing, and is invited
+</I>&gt;<i> to optionally enter their email adresse if there are furthur questions (and
+</I>&gt;<i> informed that it will only be used for the purposes of the bug in question).
+</I>&gt;<i> And if the user provides an email adresse, they receive a thank you email
+</I>&gt;<i> with the bug tracking number.
+</I>&gt;<i> Very easy, and probably provides as much info as the average bugzilla
+</I>&gt;<i> report.
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, only useful when a program crashes, where it can be automatically
+</I>&gt;<i> sensed that there is a problem. &#160;And it will produce a lot of duplicate bug
+</I>&gt;<i> reports, evidently.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You could use a tool like abrt, which can detect duplicate bug
+reports, if I am correct.
+It'll also make filing bug reports easier...
+Maybe you could modify it to give a personal UUID for each computer,
+so that the user
+is not forced to register?
+
+--
+later, Robert Xu
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+&gt;<i> Maybe you could modify it to give a personal UUID for each computer,
+</I>&gt;<i> so that the user
+</I>&gt;<i> is not forced to register?
+</I>
+OMG! I would have gathered at least 10 UUIDs over the last 2 years.
+Depends on what piece of hardware you want to attach the UUID to :)
+Reminds me of the Windows registration system.
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+
+You can find here:
+<A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/</A>
+the current mirror tree proposal.
+We now have to discuss it, I think.
+
+Here notes:
+
+The 'mageia_timestamp' is a file updated on the main server every 5
+minutes. It allow to check is a mirror synced or not
+
+Comparing to mandriva there is no more split between devel/stable, all
+distributions goes into distribs/ and all isos file into iso/.
+
+The updates/ tree disapear, avoiding some possible dependencies issues
+in updates rpms.
+
+The peoples/ directory is dedicated to contributors and must allow
+anyone to share files related to the distribution (testing rpms,
+preworks) in an unofficial ways.
+How this can be setup in practice still have to be discuss.
+
+Finally the software/ directory should allow you to distribute the
+tarball (not rpm) for software we do. As soon we do free software people
+must be able to distribute our code in the same way any projects does.
+Replies like &quot;svn is readable&quot; or &quot;we have rpm&quot; is not appropriated.
+
+Now come the question: &quot;what is a valid mirror ?&quot;, eg, what a mirror
+should have as file to be valid ?
+
+I suggest to not give the choice and avoid mistake by saying except
+&quot;peoples&quot; a mirror must respect the whole tree to be valid.
+This mean everything must exists with this structure under the top level
+path.
+This way may avoid issues like mandriva on ibiblio (only 2005 and 2007.1
+seems to exists...)
+<A HREF="ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/mandriva/Mandrivalinux/">ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/mandriva/Mandrivalinux/</A>
+
+Comment and idea welcome.
+
+Regards.
+
+--
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can find here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> the current mirror tree proposal.
+</I>&gt;<i> We now have to discuss it, I think.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here notes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The 'mageia_timestamp' is a file updated on the main server every 5
+</I>&gt;<i> minutes. It allow to check is a mirror synced or not
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Comparing to mandriva there is no more split between devel/stable, all
+</I>&gt;<i> distributions goes into distribs/ and all isos file into iso/.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I've seen that the distribs directory has sub-directory called stable1
+and cauldron, will this sub-directory will be present in iso/ too ?
+
+&gt;<i> The updates/ tree disapear, avoiding some possible dependencies issues
+</I>&gt;<i> in updates rpms.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The peoples/ directory is dedicated to contributors and must allow
+</I>&gt;<i> anyone to share files related to the distribution (testing rpms,
+</I>&gt;<i> preworks) in an unofficial ways.
+</I>&gt;<i> How this can be setup in practice still have to be discuss.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Finally the software/ directory should allow you to distribute the
+</I>&gt;<i> tarball (not rpm) for software we do. As soon we do free software people
+</I>&gt;<i> must be able to distribute our code in the same way any projects does.
+</I>&gt;<i> Replies like &quot;svn is readable&quot; or &quot;we have rpm&quot; is not appropriated.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now come the question: &quot;what is a valid mirror ?&quot;, eg, what a mirror
+</I>&gt;<i> should have as file to be valid ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I suggest to not give the choice and avoid mistake by saying except
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;peoples&quot; a mirror must respect the whole tree to be valid.
+</I>&gt;<i> This mean everything must exists with this structure under the top level
+</I>&gt;<i> path.
+</I>&gt;<i> This way may avoid issues like mandriva on ibiblio (only 2005 and 2007.1
+</I>&gt;<i> seems to exists...)
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/mandriva/Mandrivalinux/">ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/mandriva/Mandrivalinux/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Comment and idea welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Nothing else to say
+
+Regards
+--
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a
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+How much harddisk space will the &quot;valid&quot; mirror need?
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can find here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> the current mirror tree proposal.
+</I>&gt;<i> We now have to discuss it, I think.
+</I>
+Looks great to me and I agree with all points you made in your email.
+I especially like the provision of the people (no 's'!) and software
+directory, seem like a good idea to me.
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+&gt;<i> While leaving possible changes to further discussion, as a potential
+</I>&gt;<i> mirror maintainer my first question is:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How much harddisk space will the &quot;valid&quot; mirror need?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+RTFM :)
+<A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mirror.readme">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mirror.readme</A>
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> RTFM :)
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mirror.readme">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mirror.readme</A>
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+I read the FM but I thought it may be outdated because it was written
+almost 3 weeks before this new information about the tree structure
+was posted. 3 weeks in this stage means a looooong time....
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+</I>&gt;<i> I read the FM but I thought it may be outdated because it was written
+</I>&gt;<i> almost 3 weeks before this new information about the tree structure
+</I>&gt;<i> was posted. 3 weeks in this stage means a looooong time....
+</I>
+If the readme is showing realistic numbers I am afraid our server
+can't act as mirror because we only have 2x500 GB harddisks.
+
+Currently we are mirroring Mandriva 2009.1, 2010.0 and 2010.1 -
+altogether 360G (without Cooker). We were ready to reduce this to the
+current Mandriva version to make place for Mageia. But 700 is too
+much, sorry.
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
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+</I>&gt;<i> The peoples/ directory is dedicated to contributors and must allow
+</I>&gt;<i> anyone to share files related to the distribution (testing rpms,
+</I>&gt;<i> preworks) in an unofficial ways.
+</I>&gt;<i> How this can be setup in practice still have to be discuss.
+</I>Hi, I would like to ask some details about this:
+As some of you might know, I&#8217;m using awesome for a window manager and
+have been providing RPMS for quite some time for it on my website.
+
+May I use the peoples repository to provide it as well as a customized
+cairo (with xcb enabled) ?
+
+Will users be able to add this as another repository ?
+
+I must admit the process was quite painful for me up till now, this
+sounds to me like an easy way to provide and maintain this RPM.
+
+If we switch to git for the VCS, I would just make my own branch on top
+of the regular cairo/awesome branch, and it would definitely ease this
+process. WDYT ?
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+&gt;<i> 2010/10/20 Robert Xu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">robxu9 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe you could modify it to give a personal UUID for each computer,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so that the user
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is not forced to register?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OMG! I would have gathered at least 10 UUIDs over the last 2 years.
+</I>&gt;<i> Depends on what piece of hardware you want to attach the UUID to :)
+</I>&gt;<i> Reminds me of the Windows registration system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+haha, same. :)
+Er, I guess that could become a problem later...
+Maybe one month every year you refresh the UUIDs by having the
+software send their UUID?
+That way any inactive UUIDs could be deleted.
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:25, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2010/10/20 Robert Xu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">robxu9 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Maybe you could modify it to give a personal UUID for each computer,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; so that the user
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; is not forced to register?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; OMG! I would have gathered at least 10 UUIDs over the last 2 years.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Depends on what piece of hardware you want to attach the UUID to :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Reminds me of the Windows registration system.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> haha, same. :)
+</I>&gt;<i> Er, I guess that could become a problem later...
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe one month every year you refresh the UUIDs by having the
+</I>&gt;<i> software send their UUID?
+</I>&gt;<i> That way any inactive UUIDs could be deleted.
+</I>
+
+I hope you are not serious about this. Creepy unique identifiers (or any
+other tracking method) have absolutely no place in a FOSS community OS.
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+&gt;<i> Maybe one month every year you refresh the UUIDs by having the
+</I>&gt;<i> software send their UUID?
+</I>&gt;<i> That way any inactive UUIDs could be deleted.
+</I>
+Sorry, but still this seems like a monster. BTW: how do you want to
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+&gt;<i> I hope you are not serious about this. Creepy unique identifiers (or any
+</I>&gt;<i> other tracking method) have absolutely no place in a FOSS community OS.
+</I>
+Only if the default option is &quot;NOT&quot; enabled and system asks the user
+&quot;if he/she wants to collaborate with anonymous statistics&quot; and
+something like &quot;if you don't know, use the default option NO&quot;.
+
+Don't know you, but I don't feel &quot;hurt&quot; nor feel my freedom violated
+if it lets me choose. Different from Windows that does whatever MS
+says without ask.
+
+Regards.
+
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+&gt;<i> 2010/10/20 Tux99&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I hope you are not serious about this. Creepy unique identifiers (or any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other tracking method) have absolutely no place in a FOSS community OS.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Only if the default option is &quot;NOT&quot; enabled and system asks the user
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;if he/she wants to collaborate with anonymous statistics&quot; and
+</I>&gt;<i> something like &quot;if you don't know, use the default option NO&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't know you, but I don't feel &quot;hurt&quot; nor feel my freedom violated
+</I>&gt;<i> if it lets me choose. Different from Windows that does whatever MS
+</I>&gt;<i> says without ask.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I also would not like this and find it just as creepy. I would like to
+think that most of us would like to stay away from this.
+
+Marc
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+&gt;<i> Le 2010-10-20 14:16, Gustavo Giampaoli a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/10/20 Tux99&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I hope you are not serious about this. Creepy unique identifiers (or any
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> other tracking method) have absolutely no place in a FOSS community OS.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Only if the default option is &quot;NOT&quot; enabled and system asks the user
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;if he/she wants to collaborate with anonymous statistics&quot; and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> something like &quot;if you don't know, use the default option NO&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Don't know you, but I don't feel &quot;hurt&quot; nor feel my freedom violated
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if it lets me choose. Different from Windows that does whatever MS
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> says without ask.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I also would not like this and find it just as creepy. I would like to think
+</I>&gt;<i> that most of us would like to stay away from this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+only a suggestion. take it however you wish.
+
+--
+later, Robert Xu
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+&gt;<i> 2010/10/20 Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I hope you are not serious about this. Creepy unique identifiers (or any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other tracking method) have absolutely no place in a FOSS community OS.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Only if the default option is &quot;NOT&quot; enabled and system asks the user
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;if he/she wants to collaborate with anonymous statistics&quot; and
+</I>&gt;<i> something like &quot;if you don't know, use the default option NO&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't know you, but I don't feel &quot;hurt&quot; nor feel my freedom violated
+</I>&gt;<i> if it lets me choose. Different from Windows that does whatever MS
+</I>&gt;<i> says without ask.
+</I>
+The problem is that according to Robert's suggestion you do not have
+this choice if you want to file a bug report. I fear you will not get
+that many bug reports from privacy aware users if this system is used.
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 20 octobre 2010 &#224; 18:34 +0200, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can find here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> the current mirror tree proposal.
+</I>&gt;<i> We now have to discuss it, I think.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here notes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The 'mageia_timestamp' is a file updated on the main server every 5
+</I>&gt;<i> minutes. It allow to check is a mirror synced or not
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Comparing to mandriva there is no more split between devel/stable, all
+</I>&gt;<i> distributions goes into distribs/ and all isos file into iso/.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The updates/ tree disapear, avoiding some possible dependencies issues
+</I>&gt;<i> in updates rpms.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The peoples/ directory is dedicated to contributors and must allow
+</I>&gt;<i> anyone to share files related to the distribution (testing rpms,
+</I>&gt;<i> preworks) in an unofficial ways.
+</I>&gt;<i> How this can be setup in practice still have to be discuss.
+</I>
+Like quota, etc ?
+
+&gt;<i> Finally the software/ directory should allow you to distribute the
+</I>&gt;<i> tarball (not rpm) for software we do. As soon we do free software people
+</I>&gt;<i> must be able to distribute our code in the same way any projects does.
+</I>&gt;<i> Replies like &quot;svn is readable&quot; or &quot;we have rpm&quot; is not appropriated.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now come the question: &quot;what is a valid mirror ?&quot;, eg, what a mirror
+</I>&gt;<i> should have as file to be valid ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I suggest to not give the choice and avoid mistake by saying except
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;peoples&quot; a mirror must respect the whole tree to be valid.
+</I>
+I would also exclude software/ from regular mirror, because this may not
+requires as much redundancy than regular mirror ( ie, I doubt many
+people will download tarball on a regular basis, and most softwre
+project are fine with 2 or 3 mirror ).
+
+On the other hand, it may not add much overhead to mirrors anyway.
+
+
+Something I would like to add is database dumps ( cleaned from password
+and private information, of course ), and maybe svn backup, stuff like
+that. So people who wish to fork our project will not have the same
+problem as we did.
+
+One of the issue we currently have is the fact we couldn't fork Mandriva
+wiki, because we didn't have access to the server. The same goes for
+several components ( ideas, maintainers database, full bugzilla dump,
+etc ). One of my goal would be to have a forkable infrastructure, so
+people can replicate ours ( using puppet/cfengine, as we plan to use ).
+( replicate to study, replicate it to play with it, replicate to enhance
+it if needed )
+
+And this would also provides use with a &quot;linus t&quot; backup system :p
+
+
+&gt;<i> This mean everything must exists with this structure under the top level
+</I>&gt;<i> path.
+</I>&gt;<i> This way may avoid issues like mandriva on ibiblio (only 2005 and 2007.1
+</I>&gt;<i> seems to exists...)
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/mandriva/Mandrivalinux/">ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/mandriva/Mandrivalinux/</A>
+</I>
+I would let people choose what they mirror based on version. Ie, someone
+could mirror the last version only, the 3 last, etc, etc.
+
+This will likely provides enough flexibility without sacrifing too much
+the simplicity.
+--
+Michael Scherer
+
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+<I>Buchan Milne
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+<I>Robert Xu
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+<LI><A HREF="001285.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?
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+<I>Marc Par&#233;
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+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
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+<I>Tux99
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+<LI><A HREF="001300.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?
+</A><A NAME="1300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
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+<!--3 01287583902-01287591294-01287591946-01287597409-01287598014- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001296.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?
+</A><A NAME="1296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
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+<!--0 01287592464- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001286.html">[Mageia-dev] Mirror tree structure
+</A><A NAME="1286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
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+<!--1 01287592464-01287592849- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001287.html">[Mageia-dev] Mirror tree structure
+</A><A NAME="1287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01287592464-01287592960- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001288.html">[Mageia-dev] Mirror tree structure
+</A><A NAME="1288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
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+<UL>
+<!--2 01287592464-01287592960-01287593090- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001290.html">[Mageia-dev] Mirror tree structure
+</A><A NAME="1290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
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+<!--3 01287592464-01287592960-01287593090-01287593616- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001291.html">[Mageia-dev] Mirror tree structure
+</A><A NAME="1291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01287592464-01287592960-01287593090-01287593616-01287594103- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001292.html">[Mageia-dev] Mirror tree structure
+</A><A NAME="1292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
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+</UL>
+<!--1 01287592464-01287593039- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001289.html">[Mageia-dev] Mirror tree structure
+</A><A NAME="1289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01287592464-01287595337- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001293.html">[Mageia-dev] Mirror tree structure
+</A><A NAME="1293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01287592464-01287605174- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001325.html">[Mageia-dev] Mirror tree structure
+</A><A NAME="1325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
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