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Certainly we want tg3 ethernet and radeon to work on a +standard installation, and for this we really need the firmware. + +I'd probably prefer to put them in main (as all non-Debian ones) but do some +metapackage magic (or similar) to allow blacklisting them easily for those who +want to. + + +== Where do firmware without license go (DVB, V4L, etc)? + +To unsupported non-free repository: Ubuntu (multiverse) [1], +To unsupported repository without binary packages: Arch (AUR) +Nowhere: Debian, Fedora, Opensuse, Mandriva + +I guess for this one I'd prefer a helper draktool to handle/download these +instead of shipping them ourselves. + + +== What about patents? + +Almost no software with patents: Fedora, Opensuse + - Essentially no media codecs except theora/vorbis/ogg/vp8 etc. + - Strange exception: libXft, Cairo and Qt4 are shipped with LCD filtering + support enabled, even if it is disabled in freetype + +No software with enforced patents: Debian + - not included (at least): x264 (encoder), lame mp3 (encoder) + - included (at least): MPEG/x decoders, H.264 decoders, MP3 decoders, + AAC decoders, AMR decoders, DTS decoders, AC3 decoders, + WMV/WMA decoders, realvideo decoders, etc + +Some software covered by patents not included: Mandriva + - see below for more information + +All software covered by patents allowed: Arch, Ubuntu + + +IMO we should alter our policy to match either Fedora, Debian or Ubuntu.. The +Mandriva policy makes no sense (for example, no AAC decoder but yes for H.264 +decoder and MPEG-4 encoder?). +I'm really not sure which way we should go, though. WDYT? + + +== If we choose a separate core repository, should we do something regarding + OOo and java? +(there are a million java packages with tight interdependencies, and due to +OOo requiring some of those, we need to ship the whole web in main) + + +== Do we allow P2P file transfer software? + +Yes: Arch, Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu +No, except torrents: Mandriva +Unknown, at least torrents allowed: Opensuse + + +== And gaming emulators? + +Allowed: Arch, Debian, Ubuntu +Mostly no, but at least fuse-emulator is shipped: Fedora +Unknown, but lots of them are in OBS 'Emulators' project (unofficial but in +official mirrors): Opensuse +No, but at least zsnes is shipped: Mandriva + + +== And DVDCSS, etc? +Allowed: Arch +Not allowed: Debian, Fedora, Mandriva, Opensuse, Ubuntu + +This should probably be 'no'. + + +============ Mandriva sectioning =========== +=== main +Contains: + - packages that are officially supported, with security updates handled by + the security team + +Restrictions: + - packages can only depend or builddepend on packages in main itself + - packages need to have an open source license + o unwritten exception: various non-free but distributable firmware (see + kernel-firmware), for example radeon firmware and TG3 ethernet firmware + are included despite their license; the selection is arbitrary + - packages can't be covered by patents + + o unwritten exception: most patented codecs are shipped + + - these are the patented codecs that are *not* shipped: + o official xvid encoder and decoder (another encoder and decoder is + shipped in main ffmpeg) + o libdca DTS decoder (another decoder is shipped in main ffmpeg) + o lame MP3 encoder (decoders are shipped in libmad and ffmpeg) + o any AAC decoders and encoders + o x264 H.264 encoder (decoder is shipped in main ffmpeg) + o opencore AMR decoders and encoders + (Note: I may have missed some insignificant ones) + + - all other patented codecs are shipped (including H.264 decoder, + MPEG-2 decoders and encoders, MPEG-4 decoders and encoders, + MP3 decoders, DTS decoder, AC-3 encoder/decoder, VC-1 decoder, + WMV/WMA decoders, realvideo decoders) (I didn't recheck the patent + status one-by-one, but this is the AFAIK situation) + + o as with Opensuse and Fedora, MDV has LCD filtering in libXft, Qt4, Cairo + + - packages can't break effective DRM (DVD CSS, AACS..) + - p2p packages are not allowed, except torrent clients + - gaming emulators that use rom files are not allowed + +=== contrib +Contains: + - those packages not in main + +Restrictions: + - same as main, except that packages can depend on other packages in contrib + as well + +=== non-free +Contains: + - those packages not in main or contrib + o including most firmware files, for e.g. WLAN cards +Restrictions: + - same as contrib, except that only redistribution license is required, and + packages can depend on other packages in non-free + + +============ Ubuntu sectioning =========== +== Main +Contains: + - packages that are fully supported +Restrictions: + - can't depend on outside packages (AFAIK) + - applications and drivers need to be free software + (non-free redistributable "documentation, images, sounds, video clips and + firmware" are allowed "on a case-by-case basis"; + in practice all firmware is shipped as long it is redistributable) + - packages can't break effective DRM (DVD CSS, AACS..) + - must not require royalty payments + o apparently patents are an unwritten exception.. + +== Restricted +Contains: + - non-free packages that are officially supported + - it contains the minimal amount of packages, currently only: + bcmwl, fglrx, lpia, nvidia, sl-modem + +== Universe +Contains: + - packages without guaranteed security updates +Restrictions: + - same license policy as Main + +== Multiverse +Contains: + - packages without guaranteed security updates that do not qualify + for Universe (including firmware with unknown license) + +== Partner repository +Contains: + - unspecified 3rd party packages + - contains sun java, adobe flash, skype, realplayer, etc. +Not mirrored in normal mirrors (redistribution outside Ubuntu is probably not +allowed for some packages). + + +============ Debian sectioning =========== +== Main + - packages that are open source + +== Contrib + - open source packages that depend on non-free packages + +== Non-Free + - packages that are non-free but redistributable + + +============ Fedora/Opensuse sectioning =========== +Single repository, see the beginning of message for restrictions. + +Opensuse seems to have a semi-official 'Contrib' repository nowadays, +though it doesn't seem to be precisely specified what goes there: +<A HREF="http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Contrib">http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Contrib</A> +It is apparently less official than e.g. Mandriva's 'contrib' or Ubuntu's +'universe', though. + +============ Arch sectioning =========== + +== Core + - Core packages (basesystem only, no X.org, etc) + +== Extra + - Other official packages + +== Community + - Voted and reviewed packages from Unsupported (below). + +== Unsupported + - User submitted packages + - No binary packages. (users must build them themselves) + + +[1] <A HREF="http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/multiverse/l/linux-firmware-">http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/multiverse/l/linux-firmware-</A> +nonfree/linux-firmware-nonfree_1.8/linux-firmware-nonfree.copyright + +-- +Anssi Hannula +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001083.html">[Mageia-dev] test +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001085.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1084">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1084">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1084">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1084">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |