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We have seen +</I>>><i> this from many OSS firms who went through this process. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> How do you assess that it is the name that do not work and that's not +</I>><i> anything else ? +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> We should be careful in making the distro too "cottagey" or "home grown" +</I>>><i> in looks and flavour. I would suggest that the long term vision for the +</I>>><i> distro also include a commercial aspect. There should be a community +</I>>><i> driven distro and a commercial distro (read server). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I fear that this scheme does look like too much the one that caused +</I>><i> problem in the past within Mandriva community, with contradictions +</I>><i> between the community nature and the more commercial version. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> How would you ensure that the community version will not be seen as a +</I>><i> cheap version of the commercial one ? How would you prevent this idea +</I>><i> from destroying again the community like it did by the past ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If theses questions are not solved, I think all attempts to redo the +</I>><i> mistakes of the past are bound to recreate the failures of the past. +</I>><i> And I think that none of us think that's a desirable outcome. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> All people who I asked the question said that the only solution is to +</I>><i> have 2 different names and brandings. +</I>><i> Redhat do it, and it work fine from them. +</I>><i> Novell do it, and it work fine. +</I>><i> Canonical do it ( to a lesser extend , since there was +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/375345">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/375345</A> ), and it work +</I>><i> fine. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Even debian based distro used a different name ( progeny, etc ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We didn't for Mandriva, and so started the confusion between the +</I>><i> company, the distribution and the community. And so people didn't +</I>><i> contribute because it was a business, and the idea that "updates were +</I>><i> not free" stick around for a long time because it was hard to explain to +</I>><i> people the different concept +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So if there is a business or commercial version, I think this would +</I>><i> requires a different name and branding. Using the association name for +</I>><i> that would not be right, in my opinion. +</I>><i> +</I> +Good points. + +However, we are lucky in that are just at the start of organizing the +community and it gives us the luxury of trying to plan a rational growth +path for the distro. + +Mageia is starting off from the community end of things. We should then +be looking at models where communities have grown from that end then. A +good example that I can think of is the Moodle application where it +started out as a community driven project and its commercial end is now +doing quite well. The planning for the commercial end came a little +after the Moodle community became popular and the commercial end +followed. Their logo and name are quite known now in educational +circles, both on the community OSS side and the corporate side. This +assures the community a little more financial independence with support +coming from the corporate side. + +It may be to our benefit to see if some similar growth models could be +applied to Mageia. + + +Marc + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000187.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#186">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#186">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#186">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#186">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000187.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000187.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1119426db --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000187.html @@ -0,0 +1,139 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Art%2C%20Logo%20and%20Branding&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1009240037380.32130-100000%40outpost-priv%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000186.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000188.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Art%2C%20Logo%20and%20Branding&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1009240037380.32130-100000%40outpost-priv%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Sep 24 00:42:41 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000186.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000188.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#187">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#187">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#187">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#187">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, [UTF-8] Marc Paré wrote: + +><i> Le 2010-09-23 17:58, Michael Scherer a écrit : +</I>><i> Le jeudi 23 septembre 2010 à 16:17 -0400, Marc Paré a écrit : +</I>>><i> I think in the grand scheme of things, we should all acknowledge that +</I>>><i> should the name "Mageia" not work, that a name change would be a +</I>>><i> possibility, just as a logo change is still a possibility. We have seen +</I>>><i> this from many OSS firms who went through this process. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> How do you assess that it is the name that do not work and that's not +</I>><i> anything else ? +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> We should be careful in making the distro too "cottagey" or "home grown" +</I>>><i> in looks and flavour. I would suggest that the long term vision for the +</I>>><i> distro also include a commercial aspect. There should be a community +</I>>><i> driven distro and a commercial distro (read server). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I fear that this scheme does look like too much the one that caused +</I>><i> problem in the past within Mandriva community, with contradictions +</I>><i> between the community nature and the more commercial version. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> How would you ensure that the community version will not be seen as a +</I>><i> cheap version of the commercial one ? How would you prevent this idea +</I>><i> from destroying again the community like it did by the past ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If theses questions are not solved, I think all attempts to redo the +</I>><i> mistakes of the past are bound to recreate the failures of the past. +</I>><i> And I think that none of us think that's a desirable outcome. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> All people who I asked the question said that the only solution is to +</I>><i> have 2 different names and brandings. +</I>><i> Redhat do it, and it work fine from them. +</I>><i> Novell do it, and it work fine. +</I>><i> Canonical do it ( to a lesser extend , since there was +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/375345">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/375345</A> ), and it work +</I>><i> fine. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Even debian based distro used a different name ( progeny, etc ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We didn't for Mandriva, and so started the confusion between the +</I>><i> company, the distribution and the community. And so people didn't +</I>><i> contribute because it was a business, and the idea that "updates were +</I>><i> not free" stick around for a long time because it was hard to explain to +</I>><i> people the different concept +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So if there is a business or commercial version, I think this would +</I>><i> requires a different name and branding. Using the association name for +</I>><i> that would not be right, in my opinion. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Good points. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> However, we are lucky in that are just at the start of organizing the +</I>><i> community and it gives us the luxury of trying to plan a rational growth +</I>><i> path for the distro. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Mageia is starting off from the community end of things. We should then +</I>><i> be looking at models where communities have grown from that end then. A +</I>><i> good example that I can think of is the Moodle application where it +</I>><i> started out as a community driven project and its commercial end is now +</I>><i> doing quite well. The planning for the commercial end came a little +</I>><i> after the Moodle community became popular and the commercial end +</I>><i> followed. Their logo and name are quite known now in educational +</I>><i> circles, both on the community OSS side and the corporate side. This +</I>><i> assures the community a little more financial independence with +</I>><i> support coming from the corporate side. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It may be to our benefit to see if some similar growth models could be +</I>><i> applied to Mageia. +</I> + +I 100% agree with Michael, Mageia the foundation and the distro should +NOT have any commercial involvement, that's not how it was intended as +far as I understand the objectives on the mageia.or home page and that's +definitely not what i want to be involved in. + +Of course anyone (including community members) is free to create a +separate for profit distro under a different name that is based on +Mageia, but the name Magei should NEVER be associated with a commercial +distro. + +Debian should be our only example to follow in this respect. + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000186.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000188.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#187">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#187">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#187">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#187">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000188.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000188.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5e2da8990 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000188.html @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Art%2C%20Logo%20and%20Branding&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DWi8HHP%2B4T-WAgGXTWZf%2BUThZFTZo7MGeXbvzB%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000187.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000189.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Art%2C%20Logo%20and%20Branding&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DWi8HHP%2B4T-WAgGXTWZf%2BUThZFTZo7MGeXbvzB%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Sep 24 00:50:35 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000187.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000189.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#188">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#188">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#188">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#188">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/9/24 Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It may be to our benefit to see if some similar growth models could be +</I>><i> applied to Mageia. +</I> +My main reason to applaud the decision to start Mageia and also my +main motivation to join this project is the fact that it is community +driven and community led. That it is not subject to commercial +strategies and/or necessities or even pressure and restraints. I am +not interested to face this situation again that some manager tells me +what I have to do because of a situation he (or his kind) has created +or caused. + +If somebody thinks about commercial options I will only agree if these +options are under control of the community board, not the other way +round, and if this commercial part has a different name and brand. + +I've been suffering from this mixture of commercial and half-free and +free Mandriva Linux for years, having to correct misunderstandings, +unclear descriptions and articles which still today make users at +events ask me, "why Mandriva takes money for their distribution while +Ubuntu is cost free?". + +I don't want that to be repeated with Mageia. + +wobo +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000187.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000189.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#188">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#188">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#188">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#188">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000189.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000189.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..85e349e80 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000189.html @@ -0,0 +1,99 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Art%2C%20Logo%20and%20Branding&In-Reply-To=%3Ci7gmt1%24u6a%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000188.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000190.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Art%2C%20Logo%20and%20Branding&In-Reply-To=%3Ci7gmt1%24u6a%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Sep 24 01:12:33 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000188.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000190.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#189">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#189">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#189">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#189">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-09-23 18:50, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> 2010/9/24 Marc Paré<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> It may be to our benefit to see if some similar growth models could be +</I>>><i> applied to Mageia. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> My main reason to applaud the decision to start Mageia and also my +</I>><i> main motivation to join this project is the fact that it is community +</I>><i> driven and community led. That it is not subject to commercial +</I>><i> strategies and/or necessities or even pressure and restraints. I am +</I>><i> not interested to face this situation again that some manager tells me +</I>><i> what I have to do because of a situation he (or his kind) has created +</I>><i> or caused. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If somebody thinks about commercial options I will only agree if these +</I>><i> options are under control of the community board, not the other way +</I>><i> round, and if this commercial part has a different name and brand. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I've been suffering from this mixture of commercial and half-free and +</I>><i> free Mandriva Linux for years, having to correct misunderstandings, +</I>><i> unclear descriptions and articles which still today make users at +</I>><i> events ask me, "why Mandriva takes money for their distribution while +</I>><i> Ubuntu is cost free?". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't want that to be repeated with Mageia. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> wobo +</I>><i> _______________________________________________ +</I>><i> Mageia-dev mailing list +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">Mageia-dev at mageia.org</A> +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</A> +</I> +Best to have these discussions at the initial stages of the project +rather than later after everything has been firmed up. It is certainly +harder/painful to change name and logos after they have been adopted. + +Just in case, you never know, Mageia could actually become a good +contender in the top listed distro market. It certainly has the momentum +at this time. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000188.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000190.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#189">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#189">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#189">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#189">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000190.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000190.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..16bd32b30 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000190.html @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Art%2C%20Logo%20and%20Branding&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1009240114490.32130-100000%40outpost-priv%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000189.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000192.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Art%2C%20Logo%20and%20Branding&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1009240114490.32130-100000%40outpost-priv%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Sep 24 01:22:41 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000189.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000192.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#190">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#190">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#190">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#190">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, [UTF-8] Marc Paré wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> Best to have these discussions at the initial stages of the project +</I>><i> rather than later after everything has been firmed up. It is certainly +</I>><i> harder/painful to change name and logos after they have been adopted. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Just in case, you never know, Mageia could actually become a good +</I>><i> contender in the top listed distro market. It certainly has the momentum +</I>><i> at this time. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I> +Maybe you don't realise it, but the momentum would be quickly lost if +you start to pollute the original objectives with commercial aims, a +large part of the enthusiasm is BECAUSE Mageia is non-profit. + +I would not contribute to Mageia (neither money nor time) if it becomes +for-profit and I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one. + +I really hope that the foundation charta makes this very clear (the +non-profit scope) else it would cause a lot of momentum to evaporate. + +Again, Debian or the Linux kernel project are IMHO the examples to +follow, nothing else. + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000189.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000192.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#190">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#190">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#190">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#190">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000192.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000192.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..009239645 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000192.html @@ -0,0 +1,104 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Art%2C%20Logo%20and%20Branding&In-Reply-To=%3C201009241204.37970.yorick_%40openoffice.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000190.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000193.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding</H1> + <B>Graham Lauder</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Art%2C%20Logo%20and%20Branding&In-Reply-To=%3C201009241204.37970.yorick_%40openoffice.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding">yorick_ at openoffice.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Sep 24 02:04:37 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000190.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000193.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#192">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#192">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#192">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#192">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Friday 24 Sep 2010 10:50:35 Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +><i> 2010/9/24 Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +</I>><i> > It may be to our benefit to see if some similar growth models could be +</I>><i> > applied to Mageia. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> My main reason to applaud the decision to start Mageia and also my +</I>><i> main motivation to join this project is the fact that it is community +</I>><i> driven and community led. That it is not subject to commercial +</I>><i> strategies and/or necessities or even pressure and restraints. I am +</I>><i> not interested to face this situation again that some manager tells me +</I>><i> what I have to do because of a situation he (or his kind) has created +</I>><i> or caused. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If somebody thinks about commercial options I will only agree if these +</I>><i> options are under control of the community board, not the other way +</I>><i> round, and if this commercial part has a different name and brand. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I've been suffering from this mixture of commercial and half-free and +</I>><i> free Mandriva Linux for years, having to correct misunderstandings, +</I>><i> unclear descriptions and articles which still today make users at +</I>><i> events ask me, "why Mandriva takes money for their distribution while +</I>><i> Ubuntu is cost free?". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't want that to be repeated with Mageia. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> wobo +</I> +Now this is really good stuff, we have, between here, the feeling I'm +collecting off IRC and the frontpage of mageia.org, the ingredients of a +vision and mission statement. + +Who do I talk to about setting up a Marketing Mail list + +I'll set up a pirate pad in any case. + + +Cheers +GL +-- +Graham Lauder, +OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ +<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A> + +OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. + +INGOTs Assessor Trainer +(International Grades in Open Technologies) +www.theingots.org +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000190.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000193.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#192">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#192">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#192">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#192">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000193.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000193.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..daac2d6e2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000193.html @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Art%2C%20Logo%20and%20Branding&In-Reply-To=%3C1285288721.2652.18.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Magallón</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Art%2C%20Logo%20and%20Branding&In-Reply-To=%3C20100924030740.3029e85e%40werewolf.home%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding">jamagallon at ono.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Sep 24 03:07:40 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000196.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000197.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#194">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#194">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#194">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#194">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 23:58:30 +0200, Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> How would you ensure that the community version will not be seen as a +</I>><i> cheap version of the commercial one ? How would you prevent this idea +</I>><i> from destroying again the community like it did by the past ? +</I>><i> +</I>... +><i> All people who I asked the question said that the only solution is to +</I>><i> have 2 different names and brandings. +</I>><i> Redhat do it, and it work fine from them. +</I>><i> Novell do it, and it work fine. +</I>><i> Canonical do it ( to a lesser extend , since there was +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/375345">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/375345</A> ), and it work +</I>><i> fine. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Even debian based distro used a different name ( progeny, etc ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We didn't for Mandriva, and so started the confusion between the +</I>><i> company, the distribution and the community. And so people didn't +</I>><i> contribute because it was a business, and the idea that "updates were +</I>><i> not free" stick around for a long time because it was hard to explain to +</I>><i> people the different concept +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So if there is a business or commercial version, I think this would +</I>><i> requires a different name and branding. Using the association name for +</I>><i> that would not be right, in my opinion. +</I>><i> +</I> +I (and this is a totally personal opinion, of course, even if I sound harsh) +really hate all this mess of editions/versions/variants of the same distro. +I have always installed both servers and desktops with the same Mandriva +edition. In fact (perhaps I'm ignorant on this point), what's the difference +between lets say a 'server' edition and a 'desktop' edition ? The default +set of installed packages ? +And what is the difference between the Commercial and the Free edition ? +The support from the company ? + +It would be even a benefit for the distro: one suit to fit all markets. +You have a distro that works for everything. +Just: +- have a one and only DVD distro +- have several automatic setups for desktop and server (if you want to + distinguish them, that I would not, I want to log in in Gnome in my + samba server to admin it and I want firefox to google ldap problems) + like mandriva does with KDE/Gnome/other. +- make very clear that you/someone sells a commercial support product, + not DVD or distro product, even say "I can mail you also the dvd, + but you could just donwload it, it is the same and what you pay for + is SUPPORT from the people that builds and better knows it". +- dont use any different branding or logo, just find a logo that is + serious enough to fit the commercial part. + +And I have not finished reading all the threads, but having a look at +the logos, I see some clear problem: many are too complicated. +After choosing a logo for our research group at the University, +time after I realized we did it wrong, for some aspects: + +- separate the logo from the name. A logo is a logo, and the full + distro/whatever includes the logo and the distro name. + So you are free to chose both the icon/logo and the typeface for + the name, you can put only the logo in some places, you can + arrange the logo+name in different setups (one above other for + the top of a letter or side by side for a web title or banner) + This rules out all that designs with interlaced letters and + plants or fire and so on +- dont relay too much on colour. Suppose you want to put your logo + on a black and white letter...a logo that can be printed both + in colour and black would be perfect (as I wrote this, I found + the artwork guidelines, so forget it ;) ). + +I really like this idea: + +<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54167983@N08/5011126293/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54167983@N08/5011126293/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A> + +You can print it in black and white, have a photo-realistic render, +or even a use video in this line + +<A HREF="http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-video-10598162-blue-energy-ball.php">http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-video-10598162-blue-energy-ball.php</A> + +with the M turning into blue fire ;) + +Just some ideas, no pun intended. + +Great work, guys!! Lookin forward the day I could switch my mirror list +in urpmi... + +-- +J.A. 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We should +</I>><i> then be looking at models where communities have grown from that end +</I>><i> then. A good example that I can think of is the Moodle application +</I>><i> where it started out as a community driven project and its +</I>><i> commercial end is now doing quite well. The planning for the +</I>><i> commercial end came a little after the Moodle community became +</I>><i> popular and the commercial end followed. Their logo and name are +</I>><i> quite known now in educational circles, both on the community OSS +</I>><i> side and the corporate side. This assures the community a little +</I>><i> more financial independence with support coming from the corporate +</I>><i> side. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It may be to our benefit to see if some similar growth models could +</I>><i> be applied to Mageia. +</I> +I think there is a difference between Mageia selling DVD's, access to +dedicated download mirrors, t-shirts and coffee mugs in order to raise +some cash to support its operations and running a commercial distro that +aims to earn money by only offering the commercial deal. + +It would be unwise IMHO to focus on getting Mageia as a commercial and +corporate entity. For one, the people who now have generously donated will +feel (rightly so I'd say) quite miffed at their donations being used to +make others a profit. + +If this is what Mageia would want, then that should have been part of the +initial announcement. Uptake, enthusiasm and support would have been +different in that case though. 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For one, the people who now have generously donated will +</I>><i> feel (rightly so I'd say) quite miffed at their donations being used to +</I>><i> make others a profit. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If this is what Mageia would want, then that should have been part of the +</I>><i> initial announcement. Uptake, enthusiasm and support would have been +</I>><i> different in that case though. Should anyone want to operate a Mageia +</I>><i> based commercial Linux venture, then that is of course for them to decide, +</I>><i> but Mageia or its board should not be influenced by this or profit +</I>><i> considerations. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Remco +</I>><i> +</I> +No problem. It was just by way of conversation. It is always nice to air +out these things. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000195.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000194.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#196">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#196">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#196">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#196">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000197.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000197.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c6effe430 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000197.html @@ -0,0 +1,114 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Art%2C%20Logo%20and%20Branding&In-Reply-To=%3C1285317375.2652.34.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000194.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000199.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Art%2C%20Logo%20and%20Branding&In-Reply-To=%3C1285317375.2652.34.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Sep 24 10:36:15 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000194.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000199.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong link on webpage +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#197">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#197">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#197">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#197">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 à 03:07 +0200, J.A. Magallón a écrit : +><i> On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 23:58:30 +0200, Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > How would you ensure that the community version will not be seen as a +</I>><i> > cheap version of the commercial one ? How would you prevent this idea +</I>><i> > from destroying again the community like it did by the past ? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> ... +</I>><i> > All people who I asked the question said that the only solution is to +</I>><i> > have 2 different names and brandings. +</I>><i> > Redhat do it, and it work fine from them. +</I>><i> > Novell do it, and it work fine. +</I>><i> > Canonical do it ( to a lesser extend , since there was +</I>><i> > <A HREF="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/375345">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/375345</A> ), and it work +</I>><i> > fine. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Even debian based distro used a different name ( progeny, etc ). +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > We didn't for Mandriva, and so started the confusion between the +</I>><i> > company, the distribution and the community. And so people didn't +</I>><i> > contribute because it was a business, and the idea that "updates were +</I>><i> > not free" stick around for a long time because it was hard to explain to +</I>><i> > people the different concept +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > So if there is a business or commercial version, I think this would +</I>><i> > requires a different name and branding. Using the association name for +</I>><i> > that would not be right, in my opinion. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I (and this is a totally personal opinion, of course, even if I sound harsh) +</I>><i> really hate all this mess of editions/versions/variants of the same distro. +</I>><i> I have always installed both servers and desktops with the same Mandriva +</I>><i> edition. In fact (perhaps I'm ignorant on this point), what's the difference +</I>><i> between lets say a 'server' edition and a 'desktop' edition ? The default +</I>><i> set of installed packages ? +</I> +Yes. From a purely technical point of view, that's the only change. In a +closed source world, you could add artificial restrictions ( as +Microsoft did for Windows or for old Windows NT server edition, who +cannot handle much memory, or not too much processor, etc ). + +><i> And what is the difference between the Commercial and the Free edition ? +</I>><i> The support from the company ? +</I> +Yes again. +Even if the Free edition could be supported as well by contract if +needed. But for cost reason, someone who offer support will prefer to do +it on a small subset of know packages in order to avoid surprise. But +there is company that offer support on almost all kind of system. + +Usually, it is just a matter of paying enough. I used to have a job of +supporting debian as sysadmin, on any type of packages, for a client, so +that's not uncommon. +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000194.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000199.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong link on webpage +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#197">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#197">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#197">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#197">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000198.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000198.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ac248e9de --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000198.html @@ -0,0 +1,75 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Art%2C%20Logo%20and%20Branding&In-Reply-To=%3C1285321838.2652.118.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Such +inconsistencies will be handled better when there is a team caring for the +websites. 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We have seen +</I>><i> this from many OSS firms who went through this process. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We should be careful in making the distro too "cottagey" or "home grown" +</I>><i> in looks and flavour. I would suggest that the long term vision for the +</I>><i> distro also include a commercial aspect. There should be a community +</I>><i> driven distro and a commercial distro (read server). If we organise +</I>><i> under these terms, then the choice of name, logo and branding changes. +</I> +Hi Marc, + +I think you're mixing up 'marketing' and 'commercial'. The consumers are +not necessarily clients. + +I think that Graham's point is that finding a name or a logo have to be +consequences of the project's philosophy, and not random accidents (as +in many FOSS or even commercial projects). + +To answer Graham, it seems Mageia's founders thought about that when +they started the fork : the notion of magic (or rather automagically) is +at the heart of the Mandrake/Mandriva/Mageia vision. +The notions are (I'm quoting from <A HREF="http://mageia.org/">http://mageia.org/</A>): +- simplicity (targeting new (or lazy) Linux users) +- magical configuration tools (wizards) +- integration +- innovation +- community + +Maybe we can start from there. + +-- +Malo + +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000204.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong link on webpage +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000203.html">[Mageia-dev] Testing +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#201">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#201">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#201">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#201">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000202.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000202.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..60a42bdc7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000202.html @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Wrong link on webpage + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Wrong%20link%20on%20webpage&In-Reply-To=%3C4C9CDF5D.3050109%40vilarem.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000200.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000204.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Wrong link on webpage</H1> + <B>Maât</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Wrong%20link%20on%20webpage&In-Reply-To=%3C4C9CDF5D.3050109%40vilarem.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Wrong link on webpage">maat-ml at vilarem.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Sep 24 19:26:53 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000200.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong link on webpage +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000204.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong link on webpage +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#202">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#202">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#202">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#202">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 24/09/2010 13:01, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> 2010/9/24 Sascha Schneider <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">schneider at zawm.be</A> <mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">schneider at zawm.be</A>>> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Hi2all, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> just wanted to say, that the link to the IRC for channel +</I>><i> #mageia-de calls the channel #mageia-br +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, and it's also not listed at all in some pages with IRC lists. +</I>><i> Such inconsistencies will be handled better when there is a team +</I>><i> caring for the websites. At the moment it takes patience... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>Hi, + +I've added #mageia-de on donate site pages... + +Maât +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20100924/fbc184a1/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000200.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong link on webpage +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000204.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong link on webpage +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#202">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#202">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#202">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#202">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000203.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000203.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1c1473ab9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000203.html @@ -0,0 +1,59 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Testing + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Testing&In-Reply-To=%3C4170D9D1-0C66-4DBE-8AEF-28A86723EDD3%40inicialinux.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000201.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000205.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Testing</H1> + <B>iniciaLinux Pablo</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Testing&In-Reply-To=%3C4170D9D1-0C66-4DBE-8AEF-28A86723EDD3%40inicialinux.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Testing">pablo at inicialinux.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Sep 24 19:36:01 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000201.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000205.html">[Mageia-dev] Testing +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#203">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#203">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#203">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#203">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi, my name is Pablo Ontivero (pablo-gnu) and i want to be a tester of this fork. Please add me. +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000201.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000205.html">[Mageia-dev] Testing +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#203">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#203">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#203">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#203">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000204.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000204.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f001845b7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000204.html @@ -0,0 +1,64 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Wrong link on webpage + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Wrong%20link%20on%20webpage&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim%3Drgbx5_phNk%3DgXLfbkg-F7oKtNSXEyx4LFwrM%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000202.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000201.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Wrong link on webpage</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Wrong%20link%20on%20webpage&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim%3Drgbx5_phNk%3DgXLfbkg-F7oKtNSXEyx4LFwrM%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Wrong link on webpage">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Sep 24 19:54:09 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000202.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong link on webpage +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000201.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#204">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#204">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#204">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#204">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/9/24 Maât <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> Hi, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I've added #mageia-de on donate site pages... +</I> +Thx a lot, one line dotted. +Leaves the errors on the other pages :( +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000202.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong link on webpage +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000201.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#204">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#204">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#204">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#204">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000205.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000205.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..19b9243b9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000205.html @@ -0,0 +1,69 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Testing + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Testing&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikt8Pfwsvh3n5R09ARGQ5T33SFhgYVNRSsz9V%2B_%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000203.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000206.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Testing</H1> + <B>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Testing&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikt8Pfwsvh3n5R09ARGQ5T33SFhgYVNRSsz9V%2B_%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Testing">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Sep 24 19:56:28 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000203.html">[Mageia-dev] Testing +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000206.html">[Mageia-dev] Testing +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#205">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#205">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#205">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#205">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi Pablo + +Welcome. + +Please, add your name in the wiki: <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</A> + +If you're Spanish speaking, plese visit www.blogdrake.net. It's the +Spanish speaking forum. + + + +tavillo1980 +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000203.html">[Mageia-dev] Testing +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000206.html">[Mageia-dev] Testing +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#205">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#205">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#205">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#205">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000206.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000206.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..488846f0e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000206.html @@ -0,0 +1,63 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Testing + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Testing&In-Reply-To=%3C201009242003.55942.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000205.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000207.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Testing</H1> + <B>Oliver Burger</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Testing&In-Reply-To=%3C201009242003.55942.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Testing">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Sep 24 20:03:55 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000205.html">[Mageia-dev] Testing +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000207.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#206">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#206">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#206">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#206">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>iniciaLinux Pablo <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pablo at inicialinux.com</A>> +><i> Hi, my name is Pablo Ontivero (pablo-gnu) and i want to be a tester of this +</I>><i> fork. 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All the new processors are 64 +</I>><i> bits. So I don't think it is necessary to change i586 to i686. 32 bits +</I>><i> platform will die soon. Also it is more important to keep more +</I>><i> compatibility for 32 bits. +</I> +Well said. + +No need to maintain extra repos with minor imoprovements on target archs. + +Salut, +Sinner + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000206.html">[Mageia-dev] Testing +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000210.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#207">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#207">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#207">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#207">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000208.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000208.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2bbc214f1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000208.html @@ -0,0 +1,133 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Art%2C%20Logo%20and%20Branding&In-Reply-To=%3C201009250749.50773.yorick_%40openoffice.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000193.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000198.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding</H1> + <B>Graham Lauder</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Art%2C%20Logo%20and%20Branding&In-Reply-To=%3C201009250749.50773.yorick_%40openoffice.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding">yorick_ at openoffice.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Sep 24 21:49:50 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000193.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000198.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#208">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#208">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#208">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#208">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Friday 24 Sep 2010 12:38:41 Michael Scherer wrote: +><i> Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 à 12:04 +1200, Graham Lauder a écrit : +</I>><i> > Who do I talk to about setting up a Marketing Mail list +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We postponed the mls creation until we have a clear delimitation and +</I>><i> understanding about the various sub groups who will need one, and until +</I>><i> we can find what we can offer to those subgroups to collaborate ( ie, +</I>><i> wiki, elgg, or any kind of tools, depending on the need, what is +</I>><i> available and so on ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marketing and communication somehow overlap if we look at the +</I>><i> description on <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing</A> and +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=communication,">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=communication,</A> +</I>><i> communication and webteam may overlap ( as the web site is +</I>><i> communication ), so could webteam and design, or design and +</I>><i> communication. +</I>><i> And webteam and sysadmin may also overlap too or at least, will require +</I>><i> to discuss. +</I> +My first reaction was "NOOOO, I want my exclusive MARKETING LIST!!" +(note caps and 2, yes two, exclamation marks. So restrained ;) ) + +But then my consideration is that you are right. We (people) tend to package +things in terms of job descriptions. This is a hangover from our offline work +environment. + +Marketing, website, education, documentation, graphic design: all are +communication, so lets put them under a single mail list. The more I think +about it the more i like the synergies that would come out of that. + + +><i> +</I>><i> So we thought that too much mls in the first place would be ineffective, +</I>><i> as this would get too messy too soon. +</I> +The only problem I have is that important stuff can get buried in noise. For +instance if a group of us were working on a mission statement, the thread +would not be busy and would disappear off the bottom in really short order. +The ideal solution of course would be a Email Subject/title convention, but +noone ever sticks to those in an open source project, it's hard enough to get +them to stop top posting! :D However a single Comms list would mitigate that +to a degree + +><i> +</I>><i> I can understand the need to have a list as it somehow act the creation +</I>><i> of the team, but I think we can do better than a ml to do that, except +</I>><i> that we do not have the definite infrastructure for this ( but we are +</I>><i> working hard on it ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > I'll set up a pirate pad in any case. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I have been pondering on installing gobby on the server, because it is +</I>><i> packaged, and wait on <A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Etherpad_FAD">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Etherpad_FAD</A> to +</I>><i> adapt the package for our current host ( running Mandriva ), since +</I>><i> etherpad is rumored to be quite complex to setup properly. +</I> +OK, they're horrible bloody things in many ways from a usage pov, + +><i> +</I>><i> In the mean time, yes, a piratepad would be a solution. +</I> + I would prefer collaboration on google docs but pirate pads realtime update +is a killer feature at this point and so I'll put up with the other +irritations. + +I will have breakfast and get into it + + +-- +Graham Lauder, +OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ +<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A> + +OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. + +INGOTs Assessor Trainer +(International Grades in Open Technologies) +www.theingots.org +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000193.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000198.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#208">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#208">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#208">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#208">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000209.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000209.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..84cb68c81 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000209.html @@ -0,0 +1,71 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Small Mandriva problems to go thinking before Mageia Development begins + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Small%20Mandriva%20problems%20to%20go%20thinking%20before%20Mageia%0A%09Development%20begins&In-Reply-To=%3C20100924125404.1E74AF39%40resin15.mta.everyone.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000210.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000213.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Small Mandriva problems to go thinking before Mageia Development begins</H1> + <B>André Machado</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Small%20Mandriva%20problems%20to%20go%20thinking%20before%20Mageia%0A%09Development%20begins&In-Reply-To=%3C20100924125404.1E74AF39%40resin15.mta.everyone.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Small Mandriva problems to go thinking before Mageia Development begins">afmachado at dcemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Sep 24 21:54:04 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000210.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000213.html">[Mageia-dev] Small Mandriva problems to go thinking before Mageia Development begins +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#209">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#209">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#209">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#209">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Some things that I noticed with Mandriva what shoud be fixed in Mageia. If you know others, add to list. Let's make a pre-buglist ;) + +1. Since Mandriva 2010.0, there is a strange problem with BR-ABNT layout keyboards: when you press the , key at numpad, system prints a . instead. I've report this bug at Mandriva's Bugzilla but don't know if it was fully fixed. Other current distros are afected too. Ubuntu is one what is not. + +2. For an unknow reason, when installing Mandriva on Virtualbox, installer takes a long time to install GRUB boot manager. On a real machine, this doesn' occurs. Please investigate. + +3. When updating a kernel, all installed kernels are listed on GRUB screen. This is right, but can confuse some users. We should show only the last installed kernel and a menu item that leads to other menu with all other installed kernels. + +Reguards. + + +_____________________________________________________________ +Washington DC's Largest FREE Email service. ---> <A HREF="http://www.DCemail.com">http://www.DCemail.com</A> ---> A Washington Online Community Member ---> +<A HREF="http://www.DCpages.com">http://www.DCpages.com</A> +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000210.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000213.html">[Mageia-dev] Small Mandriva problems to go thinking before Mageia Development begins +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#209">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#209">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#209">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#209">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000210.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000210.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e3cef5632 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000210.html @@ -0,0 +1,71 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20i686%20must%20be%20Pentium%20II%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DveMGBQdsd22g8pqFxn_4VuN%3DcC_p5UgkgcUL4%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000207.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000209.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ?</H1> + <B>R James</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20i686%20must%20be%20Pentium%20II%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DveMGBQdsd22g8pqFxn_4VuN%3DcC_p5UgkgcUL4%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ?">upsnag2 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Sep 24 22:51:41 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000207.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000209.html">[Mageia-dev] Small Mandriva problems to go thinking before Mageia Development begins +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#210">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#210">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#210">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#210">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Sinner from the Prairy +<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">patrice.brunelle at free.fr</A> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Wikipedia says that X86_64 include SSE/SSE2. All the new processors are 64 +</I>>><i> bits. So I don't think it is necessary to change i586 to i686. 32 bits +</I>>><i> platform will die soon. Also it is more important to keep more +</I>>><i> compatibility for 32 bits. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well said. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> No need to maintain extra repos with minor imoprovements on target archs. +</I> +Technically, the i686 started with the Pentium Pro. (Remember that? :o) + +<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P6_(microarchitecture">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P6_(microarchitecture</A>) +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000207.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000209.html">[Mageia-dev] Small Mandriva problems to go thinking before Mageia Development begins +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#210">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#210">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#210">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#210">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000213.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000213.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0e5044a0c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/000213.html @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Small Mandriva problems to go thinking before Mageia Development begins + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Small%20Mandriva%20problems%20to%20go%20thinking%20before%0A%20Mageia%20Development%20begins&In-Reply-To=%3C1285359133.12505.22.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000209.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Small Mandriva problems to go thinking before Mageia Development begins</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Small%20Mandriva%20problems%20to%20go%20thinking%20before%0A%20Mageia%20Development%20begins&In-Reply-To=%3C1285359133.12505.22.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Small Mandriva problems to go thinking before Mageia Development begins">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Sep 24 22:12:13 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000209.html">[Mageia-dev] Small Mandriva problems to go thinking before Mageia Development begins +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#213">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#213">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#213">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#213">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 à 12:54 -0700, André Machado a écrit : +><i> Some things that I noticed with Mandriva what shoud be fixed in Mageia. If you know others, add to list. Let's make a pre-buglist ;) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1. Since Mandriva 2010.0, there is a strange problem with BR-ABNT layout keyboards: when you press the , key at numpad, system prints a . instead. I've report this bug at Mandriva's Bugzilla but don't know if it was fully fixed. Other current distros are afected too. Ubuntu is one what is not. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 2. For an unknow reason, when installing Mandriva on Virtualbox, installer takes a long time to install GRUB boot manager. On a real machine, this doesn' occurs. Please investigate. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 3. When updating a kernel, all installed kernels are listed on GRUB screen. This is right, but can confuse some users. We should show only the last installed kernel and a menu item that leads to other menu with all other installed kernels. +</I> +Hi, + +I think you should fill bug reports on qa.mandriva.com. +Or fill bug reports when 1) we will have a distro and 2) a bug tracker +for it. + +Posting here is not gonna work, as this will be forgot in the flood of +email coming each day. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000209.html">[Mageia-dev] Small Mandriva problems to go thinking before Mageia Development begins +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#213">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#213">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#213">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#213">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0e0e2ba13 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,172 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 24 September 2010 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>24 September 2010 Archives by author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Sep 24 00:29:35 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Sep 24 22:51:41 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 25<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="000188.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="188"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000200.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong link on webpage +</A><A NAME="200"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000204.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong link on webpage +</A><A NAME="204"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000206.html">[Mageia-dev] Testing +</A><A NAME="206"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000205.html">[Mageia-dev] Testing +</A><A NAME="205"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000210.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="210"> </A> +<I>R James +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000192.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="192"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000208.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="208"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000209.html">[Mageia-dev] Small Mandriva problems to go thinking before Mageia Development begins +</A><A NAME="209"> </A> +<I>André Machado +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000194.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="194"> </A> +<I>J.A. Magallón +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000201.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="201"> </A> +<I>Malo +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000202.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong link on webpage +</A><A NAME="202"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000203.html">[Mageia-dev] Testing +</A><A NAME="203"> </A> +<I>iniciaLinux Pablo +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000186.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="186"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000189.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="189"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000196.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="196"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000207.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="207"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000195.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="195"> </A> +<I>Remco Rijnders +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000193.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="193"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000197.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="197"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000198.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="198"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000213.html">[Mageia-dev] Small Mandriva problems to go thinking before Mageia Development begins +</A><A NAME="213"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000199.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong link on webpage +</A><A NAME="199"> </A> +<I>Sascha Schneider +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000187.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="187"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000190.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="190"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Fri Sep 24 22:51:41 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Sep 25 09:12:02 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/date.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/date.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f0209f1ce --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/date.html @@ -0,0 +1,172 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 24 September 2010 Archive by date</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>24 September 2010 Archives by date</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Sep 24 00:29:35 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Sep 24 22:51:41 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 25<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="000186.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="186"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000187.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="187"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000188.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="188"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000189.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="189"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000190.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="190"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000192.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="192"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000193.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="193"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000194.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="194"> </A> +<I>J.A. 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Magallón +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000195.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="195"> </A> +<I>Remco Rijnders +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000196.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="196"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000197.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="197"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000198.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="198"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000201.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="201"> </A> +<I>Malo +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000208.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="208"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000207.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="207"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000210.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="210"> </A> +<I>R James +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000209.html">[Mageia-dev] Small Mandriva problems to go thinking before Mageia Development begins +</A><A NAME="209"> </A> +<I>André Machado +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000213.html">[Mageia-dev] Small Mandriva problems to go thinking before Mageia Development begins +</A><A NAME="213"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000203.html">[Mageia-dev] Testing +</A><A NAME="203"> </A> +<I>iniciaLinux Pablo +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000205.html">[Mageia-dev] Testing +</A><A NAME="205"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000206.html">[Mageia-dev] Testing +</A><A NAME="206"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000199.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong link on webpage +</A><A NAME="199"> </A> +<I>Sascha Schneider +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000200.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong link on webpage +</A><A NAME="200"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000202.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong link on webpage +</A><A NAME="202"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000204.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong link on webpage +</A><A NAME="204"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Fri Sep 24 22:51:41 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Sep 25 09:12:02 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/thread.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/thread.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a90cdc9b1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100924/thread.html @@ -0,0 +1,221 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 24 September 2010 Archive by thread</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Magallón +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01285290460-01285317375- --> +<LI><A HREF="000197.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="197"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01285321911- --> +<LI><A HREF="000199.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong link on webpage +</A><A NAME="199"> </A> +<I>Sascha Schneider +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01285321911-01285326094- --> +<LI><A HREF="000200.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong link on webpage +</A><A NAME="200"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01285321911-01285326094-01285349213- --> +<LI><A HREF="000202.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong link on webpage +</A><A NAME="202"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01285321911-01285326094-01285349213-01285350849- --> +<LI><A HREF="000204.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong link on webpage +</A><A NAME="204"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01285324545- --> +<LI><A HREF="000201.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A><A NAME="201"> </A> +<I>Malo +</I> + +<!--0 01285349761- --> +<LI><A HREF="000203.html">[Mageia-dev] Testing +</A><A NAME="203"> </A> +<I>iniciaLinux Pablo +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01285349761-01285350988- --> +<LI><A HREF="000205.html">[Mageia-dev] Testing +</A><A NAME="205"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli +</I> + +<!--1 01285349761-01285351435- --> +<LI><A HREF="000206.html">[Mageia-dev] Testing +</A><A NAME="206"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01285350240- --> +<LI><A HREF="000207.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="207"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01285350240-01285361501- --> +<LI><A HREF="000210.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="210"> </A> +<I>R James +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01285358044- --> +<LI><A HREF="000209.html">[Mageia-dev] Small Mandriva problems to go thinking before Mageia Development begins +</A><A NAME="209"> </A> +<I>André Machado +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01285358044-01285359133- --> +<LI><A HREF="000213.html">[Mageia-dev] Small Mandriva problems to go thinking before Mageia Development begins +</A><A NAME="213"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +</UL> + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Fri Sep 24 22:51:41 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Sep 25 09:12:02 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + |