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+2010/9/26 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@iki.fi">tmb@iki.fi</a>&gt;</span><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">Giuseppe Ghibò skrev 26.9.2010 02:09:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I don&#39;t want to deprive the fun of building a router or a firewall from<div class="im"><br>
+an old P133/64 with two ethernet cards, or some mediabox, but often you<br>
+can&#39;t  (and sometimes you pay of energy power in a year much more than<br>
+getting some 30-50E linksys ARM linux based router. And when soemone try<br>
+such kind of attempts in the real world with your distro, will be very<br>
+disappointed of failures. That&#39;s why I in some way asked a survey of<br>
+oldest hardware based on own experiences.<br>
+<br>
+</div></blockquote>
+<br>
+You still miss the point that in Mageia community there are many users that find 30-50e a _lot_ of money, and we dont want to shut them out.<br></blockquote><div><br>I&#39;m not decreasing the value of the money, but rather I was pointing out the false assumption that mageia (or the current inherited mandriva) would work and would work FINE (or at all) on that hardware just because it was using a compatible instruction set. I&#39;m not against this, but if that we wanna support that kind of hardware there is MUCH MORE work to do (I suggested a LEGACY section in the wiki, but seems it wasn&#39;t caught) than just keeping the actual flags, because in that way if we don&#39;t change then nobody will complain. Even the simple lzma payload of rpm packages requires much more memory than in the past with gzip. I&#39;m not sure with current squashfs for the initial ram disks.<br>
+<br>I already cited there are other distro which maybe do a lot better this job. In many countries there isn&#39;t even the broadband, dialup, nor the electrical power for them. Right now you are almost assuming that a 10 years old instruction set is still a no go, and that our distro is optimized like the one of the One Laptop Per Child Project. Sadly it isn&#39;t. But there is also a 2nd point: on old hardware it is still possible to run old software and old distros: strange but true. Such old software is still doing its dirty job. It&#39;s not that you get a trojan as soon as you put the nose out the net. There are still ways of configuring a distro on a LAN and trust in the people using the terminals locally. Many schools still use them. In a 2 hours lesson at school you can&#39;t wait half an our just to have your desktop booting..., the same if you plan an antispam server with latest antispam tools on a server of that category (server that was doing it&#39;s dirty job with the distro of 2 or 3 generations ago). <br>
+<br>I also tried such old hardware, but there are much less bloated distro and less bloated kernels (even non-linux ones) that do the job (or a specific duty) on such hardware a lot better than ours.<br><br>Bye<br>Giuseppe.<br>
+<br></div></div>
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+2010/9/26 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@iki.fi">tmb@iki.fi</a>&gt;</span><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">Giuseppe Ghibò skrev 26.9.2010 02:09:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I don&#39;t want to deprive the fun of building a router or a firewall from<div class="im"><br>
+an old P133/64 with two ethernet cards, or some mediabox, but often you<br>
+can&#39;t  (and sometimes you pay of energy power in a year much more than<br>
+getting some 30-50E linksys ARM linux based router. And when soemone try<br>
+such kind of attempts in the real world with your distro, will be very<br>
+disappointed of failures. That&#39;s why I in some way asked a survey of<br>
+oldest hardware based on own experiences.<br>
+<br>
+</div></blockquote>
+<br>
+You still miss the point that in Mageia community there are many users that find 30-50e a _lot_ of money, and we dont want to shut them out.<br></blockquote><div><br>I&#39;m not decreasing the value of the money, but rather I was pointing out the false assumption that mageia (or the current inherited mandriva) would work and would work FINE (or at all) on that hardware just because it was using a compatible instruction set. I&#39;m not against this, but if that we wanna support that kind of hardware there is MUCH MORE work to do (I suggested a LEGACY section in the wiki, but seems it wasn&#39;t caught) than just keeping the actual flags, because in that way if we don&#39;t change then nobody will complain. Even the simple lzma payload of rpm packages requires much more memory than in the past with gzip. I&#39;m not sure with current squashfs for the initial ram disks.<br>
+<br>I already cited there are other distro which maybe do a lot better this job. In many countries there isn&#39;t even the broadband, dialup, nor the electrical power for them. Right now you are almost assuming that a 10 years old instruction set is still a no go, and that our distro is optimized like the one of the One Laptop Per Child Project. Sadly it isn&#39;t. But there is also a 2nd point: on old hardware it is still possible to run old software and old distros: strange but true. Such old software is still doing its dirty job. It&#39;s not that you get a trojan as soon as you put the nose out the net. There are still ways of configuring a distro on a LAN and trust in the people using the terminals locally. Many schools still use them. In a 2 hours lesson at school you can&#39;t wait half an our just to have your desktop booting..., the same if you plan an antispam server with latest antispam tools on a server of that category (server that was doing it&#39;s dirty job with the distro of 2 or 3 generations ago). <br>
+<br>I also tried such old hardware, but there are much less bloated distro and less bloated kernels (even non-linux ones) that do the job (or a specific duty) on such hardware a lot better than ours.<br><br>Bye<br>Giuseppe.<br>
+<br></div></div>